SSD is very well known anymore for putting out shit and thinking they can get away with it because of the names.
And I have it on good authority that they've refused to let several young, fresh designers with original ideas join their design team the last 6 months.
You have no desire to because you cannot design. The point I am making is if the name is not something you are familiar with you do not buy it. Well I guarantee that half of these not so well known Designers blow some of the top names out of the water in sales. So maybe you should get off you little popular girl pedastals and give them a chance. Just because you have a popular name in the digi world does not make everything you create a kick ass gotta have item.
March 3, 2009 10:49 AM
You're absolutely right, I can't design and have no desire to learn how to. And there's really only one popular designer I do buy from. I'll just refrain from mentioning who it is because she doesn't deserve the bitching I'm sure you'd lay on her. I'm more than willing to buy from lesser known designers and lesser known stores and do so quite frequently. I find that a lot of the lesser known designers try a whole lot harder and produce a much higher quality product. They also seem to produce different, out-of-the-norm things, which is what intrigues me even more than a name ever would.
But that's not going to stop me or anyone else that comes here to bitch and smack from smacking designers we think suck, whether it's for their sub-par designs or their shitty attitudes. Like I said, this is a SMACK BLOG.
Oh how funny, my word verification is 'copie'. Must be the French spelling. ;)
Anyhow, what exactly is Miss Tiina getting away with? I read the tou (http://www.shutterstock.com/licensing.mhtml) but it's gibberish to me.
And, let me get this straight. Because *I* can't design, I shouldn't have the gall to refuse to patronize designers whose work is clearly inferior? Riiiiiiight.
And, let me get this straight. Because *I* can't design, I shouldn't have the gall to refuse to patronize designers whose work is clearly inferior? Riiiiiiight.
March 3, 2009 12:46 PM
Thank you! Exactly my point. And if indeed I find someone who's work sucks and is indeed sub-par I'm certainly going to let other people know. And it has to be done here because doing it at DST isn't worth the grief you get for having the guts to be honest. So just because I can't and don't design doesn't mean I can't be picky about who I buy from.
Well then I apologize to you for saying that. Alot of people however do only buy because of a name. People really should give these not so popular names a chance. I have seen some very clever and cool kits come from them.
Yes SSD will only allow people that have a name for themselves into their store. That is really sad because the things they call Designs in that store are just crap. They think way to highly of themselves and I know alot of people who used to be big fans of that store have quit shopping there because of the kits.Kay Miller was smart for getting out of there. They are shit anymore.
I am not saying do not buy from the well known Designers but these not so well known ladies also deserve a chance to be recognized if they have nice kits.I guess in this community it is not what you produce but who you are.
Just because they are not known does not make them or their Designs inferior.
I am not saying do not buy from the well known Designers but these not so well known ladies also deserve a chance to be recognized if they have nice kits.I guess in this community it is not what you produce but who you are.
Just because they are not known does not make them or their Designs inferior.
March 3, 2009 12:59 PM
I agree 100%, and I think I find myself more and more drawn to smaller, lesser known stores all the time. I will admit that when DST first started I was all about buying from the most popular and well-known names, but it sure didn't take me long to get over that!
Alot of the problem with the not so well known Designers is alot of people do not know who alot of them are. Do you have a list any good shops with these Designers? I would love to buy from someone that is not all about the name and has nice Designs for sale. Thanks in advance for any help.
We should start a list of lesser known designers who put out great kits. I have been on a shopping freeze the past month, but I will try to put together a list of my favorites too.
Alright where are these great lesser known designers in lesser known stores that put out kits 10 times better than the big stores? I seriously could not care less about what store or designer it is from, as long as the kit is pretty. But stop talking and start showing.
Just a shopper here, but I think SSD sucks. Their stuff is extremely juvenile and/or tacky and totally, totally unoriginal. Flat papers, crappy and/or boring elements. It's like Rainbow Bright gone mad. The same flowers and swirls over. and over. and over.
A few designers whose work I really used to like just went totally downhill after moving to SSD.
I prowl as many non 'big name' stores as I can. I have found some great stuff at PDW from Donna Rafferty, and some nice things at escape and scrap--the ebony and lace brushes or something like that by Jo Pacquin (sp?). I love Irene Alexeeva's stuff, too. I've also found some nice things from Raspberry Road. I have some nice things from Kellie Mize at WST, and I have always loved Audrey Neal's stuff, from the time she was at OScraps. I used to love Debra Tope's stuff, but it looks like she retired. OScraps has lots of unsung talent and always has. I buy occasionally from big name stores, but only if it's something I like. There's a lot of stuff out there, but it takes lots of looking and shopping around.
Some of the 'successful' big names were/are only that way because of rabid CTs/friends and relentless pimping. There ARE lots of us who see through that, so chin up, disgruntled designer with the pissy cheerios!
True, but I'd like to know who some of these 'great' unknowns allegedly are.
---- You make it sound like anyone who isn't well-known must not be any good. "good" is in the eye of the consumer. I could point out a lot of designers I think are as good or better than the names that are known. Problem is, you might not think they're as good as I do.
SSD is very well known anymore for putting out shit and thinking they can get away with it because of the names.
March 3, 2009 10:56 AM
The same could be said for many big name stores and designers. And honestly, there aren't very many names at SSD that I've heard of. I have never bought all the hype that SSD is such a big, successful store. And honestly, I don't care one way or another if it is. I don't like their stuff, and I don't bother with them.
To me, digi designers are like singers--when they're on their way up and trying hard, they put out some great stuff. When they hit the big time, they get lazy or develop a major diva complex or they just start acting like coked out freaks. Then there's the whole problem of overexposure once they're really big. Seeing 5 billion twig and berry and fantasy layouts is like hearing the same popular song on the radio all the time. You get sick of it pretty fast.
DST is worthless if you're looking for anything but the overhyped, totally trendy stuff.
3:16 How hard is it for you to create your own product and then it will be in perfect form for you? All you bitches in here bitching about how this person sucks ect. When none of you probably know how to create a damn element if you life depended on it. Also as for the "well known stores" I have seen 100 times better quality and much better kits in the " not so well known stores". What are we all in Jr high? We cannot buy from a Designer that is not that well known? WTF people grow the hell up. No wonder this world is the way it is because of stupid bitches like this. -------------
WTF? I didn't single out anyone and really, I didn't ask for perfection, I only asked for non blurry product. I'm so sorry that you are happy with sub standard shit, but I'm not. Good for you for liking the dollar stuff at boutique prices.
If I knew how to make something, I wouldn't need to buy it. DOH!!! What a moron.
You are behaving like a kindergartner, let alone like someone in jnr high. Get a grip.
Lesser known, or at least lesser know to me until just recently
http://www.scrapmalin.com/scrap-digital.php
http://digital-crea.fr/shop/
http://www.plaindigitalwrapper.com/shoppe/home.php (not really a lesser known store but lesser known designers and I can usually find something that I'm looking for)
http://www.pickleberrypop.com/shop/home.php?xid=8252194cd8429bd9fc5df6c5278c92e1 (again a well known store but some not-so-well-known designers)
10. Anyhow, what exactly is Miss Tiina getting away with? I read the tou (http://www.shutterstock.com/licensing.mhtml) but it's gibberish to me.
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This is the part that matters:
Resell, redistribute or transfer any Image except as specifically provided herein. Displaying any Image in any digital format or for any digital use at a resolution greater than 800 x 600 pixels, except in preliminary design work, will be deemed to be an attempt to redistribute the Image and could result in the termination of your rights under this agreement. ---------------------
She can't resell the image at size bigger than 800 x 600, now that size is pretty small and would be useless on the standard 12 x 12 scrap page, so she's clearly breaking the terms.
FFS! would you scrapping police wannabes please take this up with the designers and/or the wronged parties?!
I am so damn tired of designers bitching and moaning about who copied who, and who's ripping off Dover etc. all over every freakin' forum or blog in digiland.
If anyone knows of a forum or blog that's designer free (or at least free from all the designer drama-mongering), PLEASE point me to it.
You make it sound like anyone who isn't well-known must not be any good.
No, I know there are designers that don't get a lot of hype or haven't been discovered by the masses yet who are very, very good.
However, on blogs like this *usually* the unknowns who get mentioned are unknown for a reason.
I totally agree with the mentions of Kristin Aagard (who also seems very, very nice), digital-crea.fr, and Scrapmalin. I like several designers at ES, and I really like their dollar days. O'Scraps has some fantastic talent - I guess I never considered it a lesser known store. And there are a few designers at Scrap Orchard and Sunshine Studio I really like.
I am so damn tired of designers bitching and moaning about who copied who, and who's ripping off Dover etc. all over every freakin' forum or blog in digiland.
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How do you know it's designers? Half the freaking time it's a loyal scrapper. And do you know that it happens in every forum? You must really get around as there are so many forums.
Where? I don't see on the cover. If it's in the book, that's pretty useless as this isn't much evidence.
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I OWN the book.
I'm kinda of tired of people pointing the finger at stuff like this when they don't really have enough information to throw out the accusation. How come the person at the stocksite isn't being accused of stealing or getting smacked for selling a Dover image?
There are MANY images out there that are on stock sites that are really public domain. Everyone is allowed to make money off of those including stocksite designers. But smart designers know how to obtain them through Dover or other public domain image sites.
Just sayin' it seems a lot of people on this blog are throwing accusations and really don't know anything about the images' origin. Stock doesn't mean that they are creator of the image or art.
DST is worthless if you're looking for anything but the overhyped, totally trendy stuff.
March 3, 2009 6:14 PM ------------------------------- Yup yup yup... there is such a high school popularity mentality over there.. it is all about who's popular and has zero to do with who is talented...
I'm kinda of tired of people pointing the finger at stuff like this when they don't really have enough information to throw out the accusation. ---------------------
I'm kinda of tired of people pointing the finger at stuff like this when they don't really have enough information to throw out the accusation. --------------------- I also agree. You have no idea what kind of permission a designer may have gotten from any commercial use resources they may use. You see something and think it is fact that the Designer copied something. There are a lot of designers who have legal permission to use a lot of stuff seen on the web. Many have bought licenses which permit use of certain things. If you don't know for a fact that something is actually copied why don't you find out before you make accusations.
I also agree. You have no idea what kind of permission a designer may have gotten from any commercial use resources they may use. You see something and think it is fact that the Designer copied something. There are a lot of designers who have legal permission to use a lot of stuff seen on the web. Many have bought licenses which permit use of certain things. If you don't know for a fact that something is actually copied why don't you find out before you make accusations.
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There is no way a fabric or paper company will allow a designer to take their patterns and sell them as their own. Moreover, MissTiina states in her product description that the designs are "drawn by herself". This is a misrepresentation. Stop defending her, she made a BIG mistake.
There is no way a fabric or paper company will allow a designer to take their patterns and sell them as their own. Moreover, MissTiina states in her product description that the designs are "drawn by herself". This is a misrepresentation. Stop defending her, she made a BIG mistake.
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How do you know they aren't drawn by her? Whereas what she is selling was on that site, they're kawaii things, do you know how many people make kawaii things and sell them? They're characters, cute little things with faces drawn on them. Try search Kawaii on deviantart and see all the shit people have made. It's not illegal.
I am tired of people sticking their nose in the shutter stock copy right/ issue Shutter stock artist use ALSO other peoples resources! They are actually several who use resources all the time, It s easy to redraw those little critters ( all it is, is some circles in the right places) she probably did see them on the mug or on the book or what ever.... you think a person is incapable of redrawing or coping a idea? You never been to target where they copy every manufacturers item and EVEN put it right next to the original so you can either buy their copy of that item or the real olay, GEEEZZZ And I am sick of those do-good anonymous people who are not the owner of the file but only think they know what this or that person did. ITS an OLD and worn out topic!
It usually rolls through this blog a few times a year - the designer attack squad. They bruise in calling foul on any designer they imagine to be using "tools" to create their kits.
And, like clockwork, we will remind them that all the florals, paisleys, spots, stripes, ribbons, brads, buttons, glitter, textures, string, shapes, etc etc etc...they are all created using tools. Whether its a shape template, a background texture, a brush, an action,an overlay - they are rarely created from scratch, if ever, these days. It's actually what a designer does with the tools that differentiates them from the pack.
Where a designer buys the rights to use those tools - its actually no one's business but her own. The only issue with copyright that should be public discussion is when one designer steals an ORIGINAL design. Yeah, that's right. ORIGINAL. Not an idea or a concept or a trend. Not a copycat - but actually buying someone's already created work and reselling it as your own.
I am going to put my 2cents in on a few of the topics here all at one time instead of comming in here over and over. First I would like to comment on people being critics to those that use CU items in their kits. Are these not what they are created for so people can use them? Not everyone is a extraction guru or a artist for that matter. I for one use alot of CU items and I make plenty of money. I am more then thankful to those that offer these resources to use in our kits. God forbid we do not piece every single thing together ourselves that we use. Or extract it out of a magazine, Picture or whatever the case may be.
Secondly as for these "well known stores" unless you are well known in the community they do not give you a second look. You can have a beautiful kit perfectly put together but unless you are known they do not want anything to do with you. That is really a sad attitude to have because you could really be missing out on some great talent.
I know that my kits are just as good and sometimes better then some of the Designers in these well known stores. Since I am not known in the Digiworld to many people accept those that have found my Designs I am just ignored when I apply at a store most of the time. I mean you do not even have the courtesy to say you have recieved the submissions but arent interested.
I am in a couple of different stores, I would say one is pretty well known but the others not so much but the not so well known stores are the ones that treat their Designers with respect and like a human being. So I gave up applying to all those Well known stores because honestly they do not give a shit about anyone but themselves and what big names they can get in their stores.
I will stick with the less known stores and be happy and actually get recognized for my hard work.
So to the Designer or Designers that posted yesterday about not getting into the Well known stores do not let it bother you because it is them that are losing out on some great talent because we arent the label they are looking for.
Well said. I wish people would understand that and stop nit-picking. Holy crap, so-and-so bought a Dover book and is using images from it! Gee, I thought that was the whole point of buying the book in the first place? I agree that reselling those images as they are is kind of tacky but I don't see anywhere that says they can't.
My mother is an absolutely wonderful designer with silk plants and flowers. The things she creates are breathtaking..she does all kinds of things, including weddings. She buys the silks and pots and creates art from them. She hardly makes them from scratch. Why people in this business think using supplies has to be different and one can only use their own original work is beyond me. If the tools are there for you, use them. It seems the only ones who give a shit are other designers, anyway.
Someone needs to start a forum just for all the designers to accuse each other of copying and/or misusing stock images.
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How about someone NOT do that and designers only worry about making sure that they are only using stuff that is ok for commercial use? The finger pointing is stupid!
I seriously doubt that it was a designer accusing Tinna of swiping that image. I would HOPE that a designer would be able to recognize a Dover image. Then again some people just seem to have it out for certain designers.
New designers...I know it can be frustrating starting out in business. Just think how hard it would be for a new cola to come on the market. When ever people talk about colas they talk about Coke and Pepsi. To get a store to carry something other than Coke or Pepsi a new cola is going to have to have something pretty special going on no matter how great it tastes.
New designers have the same problem. In my opinion, you can't start with the store. You need to start with the customers. You need to have a fun blog, host challenges and chats, be visible, etc. Once the customers start following you...stores will want you.
No matter how great a product is your business will not be successful it you don't manage, promote and maintain it. If you don't have the time to run your business in addition to designing and creating new product you have to accept that you may remain lesser known.
I am not a designer, merely a customer. I can't help think that if a designer is spending time at this blog, she is not spending time running her business.
The tree...people should mind their own business. There are many sites Tina could have gotten the tree from It is public domain and who cares anyway? Maybe I would love to have that tree and I don't want to buy the Dover book, and scan the image in. I might be thrilled that a designer has done that and offered it in a kit.
The cute animals...she may have drawn them herself. How easy is it to copy what someone else has done. I was in a museum once and a man had an easel set up and was copying a Da Vince painting. My gosh he was doing a great job! Was this guy committing some crime? HE could have sold it and said "I painted this myself". He would have been right and as long as he didn't try to claim that Leonardo Da Vince painted it...he was doing nothing wrong.
If you have a problem with what a designer is selling. Why not contact them or contact the person you *think* was the victim. The only good you are doing by complaining about it on a smack blog is to cause us to go check it out and giving further publicity to the person you are trying to out.
God forbid anyone come to a chat that a unknown Designer is hosting. That would be just a OMG moment. Also as for the comment of Designers here not working on their business was not very intelligent. Designers do other things besides Design. Like let other Designers know that they are not alone in the feeling lesser then.
I do not mean to sound unintelligent but I hardly think that a smack blog is the place for new designers to commensurate and offer each other assurances.
I was trying to be a little helpful in suggesting that this is not where you should be hanging out if you want to become better known. Possibly a site where you are not anonymous would be a better choice.
SSD a well known store? Someone has an inflated ego. I never go there nor have I bought from them.
March 4, 2009 3:06 PM
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And yet, somehow, just by the initials, you knew who they were. Doesn't that mean they are well known? It's doesn't matter if you don't shop there, you know them.
I think the designers defending the CU issue are missing the point. I don't want to buy two different kits from two different designers and find the same thing in them, with no change.
Some designers are very creative with their CU items and I do buy from them, others are not.
I have problem with CU items, it's the lack of creativity with them that I don't like.
No, I'm not a designer, just a fed up customer. Don't think it's just the designers that care, the discerning customer does too.
And I have it on good authority that they've refused to let several young, fresh designers with original ideas join their design team the last 6 months.
March 3, 2009 11:12 AM
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So? It's their business to be run anyway they like. When you start putting money into it, you can have your say.
You must be a SSD employee or owner. Otherwise why defend their stupidity and snobby ass attitude. It's okay. Because it is them that is getting a bad rep from the attitude that they put out there.
I think the designers defending the CU issue are missing the point. I don't want to buy two different kits from two different designers and find the same thing in them, with no change.
Some designers are very creative with their CU items and I do buy from them, others are not.
I have problem with CU items, it's the lack of creativity with them that I don't like.
No, I'm not a designer, just a fed up customer. Don't think it's just the designers that care, the discerning customer does too.
March 4, 2009 4:14 PM
Exactly! I don't care how much CU a designer uses, as long as she puts a twist on it. I've passed up quite a few kits because I already have that flower 10 times over, that ribbon 10 times over, etc...I can take that ribbon or flower and recolor it myself over and over again, I don't need kits from different designers all using the same flower or ribbon. CU as much as you want, that's not the problem.
There is no way a fabric or paper company will allow a designer to take their patterns and sell them as their own. Moreover, MissTiina states in her product description that the designs are "drawn by herself". This is a misrepresentation. Stop defending her, she made a BIG mistake.
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and do you know WHO made those papers. Wouldn't it be strange if the papers are designs that she made and sold to the paper comapny. Do you know HOW many designers are designing for paper companies and some are allowed to retain their copyrights. Do you even know one by name?? Some paper companies don't allow the designers name to be anywhere on the paper. There is one designer who has had her designs in her store and sells them to a stamp company. I hate to say it but some people don't know what they are talking about nor get the facts before they plaster it here and it amazes me the others who are stupid enough to believe everything they read. Maybe it would behoove some to get knowledgable before they make stupid statements.
You must be a SSD employee or owner. Otherwise why defend their stupidity and snobby ass attitude. It's okay. Because it is them that is getting a bad rep from the attitude that they put out there.
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Wrong on both counts. I just don't see why so many people on this blog get their panties in a wad about them.
and do you know WHO made those papers. Wouldn't it be strange if the papers are designs that she made and sold to the paper comapny. Do you know HOW many designers are designing for paper companies and some are allowed to retain their copyrights. Do you even know one by name?? Some paper companies don't allow the designers name to be anywhere on the paper. There is one designer who has had her designs in her store and sells them to a stamp company. I hate to say it but some people don't know what they are talking about nor get the facts before they plaster it here and it amazes me the others who are stupid enough to believe everything they read. Maybe it would behoove some to get knowledgable before they make stupid statements.
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Amen! I can think of at least three designers who sell to stamp companies and quite a lot more who sell to paper companies.
I just have to laugh at the word 'behoove.' I'm not knocking your usage of it or anything--it's just one of those words that sounds silly when you think about the word itself.
It really would be nice if all the digi police take their sleuthing attempts somewhere else, though.
for the person that needed proof that the tree is a Dover Image:
http://tinyurl.com/dover-proof
Look at the keywords.
So you accused someone of stealing something that is public domain. To be the pirate police you'll have to do better than that.
March 4, 2009 2:43 PM
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I didn't accuse anyone of anything, I just wanted to clarify that the tree was in the book. You posted a link to a book that showed me nothing, I wanted to make sure of all my facts before making a decision. So I asked. It's a pity you didn't do the same, thinking that I was the one who started the whole tree post in the first place. I know it's hard to tell who said what, but you just assumed it was me.
Wrong on both counts. I just don't see why so many people on this blog get their panties in a wad about them.
March 4, 2009 6:19 PM -------- Not the OP, but I can't stand that place, either. Crap for product and the atmosphere is way too fake and kool-aid ish for me.
I've also seen some very, very crappy behavior from some of their designers, sugar babes, etc.
I think almost every store has people who can't stand it for one reason or another.
Wow there sure seems to be an obsession about SSD. There are a lot of sites out there. If you don't like a place, go else where. It's not like options are in short supply.
Consumers are not stupid. I don't think anyone continues to purchase crap just because a designer is well known. They may purchase crap one or two times but pretty soon they get the picture and move on to a different designer.
One of the issues is that what might be crap to one person is gorgeous to someone else.
In regards to bad behavior at SSD. I agree and I am a SSD fan.
I recall a time when there was a scrapper who obviously scraplifted a layout from one of the scrappers on the SSD forum.
Because the scrapper did not "credit" the original scrapper the SSD girls went APE SHIT and started leaivng comments on the layout about how she had scraplifted and should have credited, etc..
I am talking about 6-7 women doing this silly bullying. I was so repulsed and surprised by the ones who joined in. They were women I had previously admired and I was shocked by their behavior.
Who knows if the woman who did the scraplifting was even aware of "crediting" for scraplifting,
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CREDITING IS A COURTESY NOT A RIGHT!
Unless the layout is for a CT I see no reason why anyone would feel obligated to credit anyone.
The whole thing was sickening and ended my participation in the SSD forum. I still make purchases there regulalry but I will not interact with the vultures that seem to frequent that forum.
SSD are not alone in that behavior. You should see what goes on in other forums too. DD can be just as bad. Most of the forums have this real clique and it drives me mental. Then they wonder why they have no participation and no one wants to hang out. Maybe it's because they don't welcome anyone. It's not rocket science and I wish the owners and moderators would wake up.
I sell at DD and I will tell you that is one of the rudest and coldest stores out there to sell in. They do not care about anyone but themselves. They are constantly have a problem with this or that and needing to generate sales. Well Generate a decent product. Not only that but they do treat the Designers like shit and wonder why no one wants to participate in anything they have going on. They ignore emails that you send them pertaining to certain things.If it does not benefit them then it is just kicked to the side. I wish I could get into some different stores so I could leave that place but like many others I need the money.
Based on the posters comments and my experiences-I'm going to go on a limb and guess Designer Digitals. Interesting to know which designer the poster is. lol
The only DD I shop at is Designer Digitals but I didn't think of Divine Digital since I don't hang out there. So which DD is it? Just to note, I think Designer Digitals is a pretty friendly place the few times I hung out there. I don't hang out on forums or galleries much though.
That is a surprise. I didn't think Designer Digitals had any problems generating a sale. Don't want to set anyone off but I don't put Divine Digital and Designers Digitals in the same category.
Anyone else sick of these "Fantasy Layouts" all over the place? The Shabby Pickle newsletter always has a ton of them.
March 5, 2009 9:29 PM
That's just what is popular right now.
March 5, 2009 10:50 PM
It may be what's popular but it's not the only way to scrap. There are plenty of us out there that scrap the real stuff and it would be nice, once in awhile, to see something other than fantasy.
word verification: apoof LOL, just made me giggle.
I personally love SSD. I don't see why everyone here has such an ax to grind. And it's a thriving site with tons of participating and active members so I am inclined to believe you are just a bitter handful.
March 3, 2009 12:13 PM ------------------------ Ok, you can purchase images to use from certain sites for digital scrappy stuff....but to resell it as a CU item..NO WAY!
Look at the Keywords at Clipart.com for the link. It's a Dover Image. They have almost all of the Dover Images there. And I own the book that has that image in it. The person that posted that link was trying to prove to the accusers here that it is actually a DOVER image. Clipart.com doesn't usually produce its own images. It collects them from various artists and works out the terms with them. INCLUDING DOVER!
And you can sell Dover images as Commercial Use (no more than 12 in a package). Clipart.com's terms would not be worth much because the original terms of use are determined by Dover since they did nothing to alter the image. They are public domain. Miss Tinna did alter the image by only using the tree. I'm guessing that she got the image directly from the Dover book.
1:17: you can use Dover for commercial use as long as it is derivative works, not the original scanned images. They must be altered in some way. And I believe that it is actually no more than 10 per package.
It may be what's popular but it's not the only way to scrap. There are plenty of us out there that scrap the real stuff and it would be nice, once in awhile, to see something other than fantasy.
word verification: apoof LOL, just made me giggle.
March 6, 2009 5:58 AM
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There are many layouts in the galleries that have a different scrap style. They are not getting the attention that the fantasy layouts are getting. What to do? Leave comments for them or nominate something that is not from Lily/Jofia/NLD/etc. Their kits are gorgeous but it would be nice to see other layouts in the GSO.
I don't doubt at all that Divine Digital is having problems with sales and participation. That place is awful, and I am constantly amazed that any designer is willing to sell there.
I'm not sick of the fantasy layouts. There are lots of different kinds of layouts in the gallery at DST and other galleries.
What I am sick of is designers who completely change their style. Look at Kasia. She used to have this fun and funky style, along the lines of the Power Sisters, and now she's gone the way of Jofia and co with the fantasy look. She's obviously really influenced by the designers she sells with. I used to buy from Kasia, but I won't now as other designers are doing the same thing and are doing it better.
I really admire the designers who have stuck to their style. They get my repeat business because they are reliable. I don't always want what's trendy and it's nice to know that I can rely on some designers to give me something else.
I really admire the designers who have stuck to their style. They get my repeat business because they are reliable. I don't always want what's trendy and it's nice to know that I can rely on some designers to give me something else.
I think change of style shows how versatile a designer is. Someone that can do one style and move completely down the aisle to create something very different is (in my opinion) a great designer. If you can create something from one end of the spectrum to the next shows you are flexible and can provide something for all styles and be open for the whole market. It also shows they are constantly experimenting and learning.
I think change of style shows how versatile a designer is. Someone that can do one style and move completely down the aisle to create something very different is (in my opinion) a great designer. If you can create something from one end of the spectrum to the next shows you are flexible and can provide something for all styles and be open for the whole market. It also shows they are constantly experimenting and learning.
I can't see how that's a bad thing.
March 6, 2009 8:42 PM
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LOL very true.
if i still kept the same style, I'd still have feathered hair and have 2 pairs of socks scrunched over my pants.
I really admire the designers who have stuck to their style. They get my repeat business because they are reliable.
March 6, 2009 7:31 PM
I think change of style shows how versatile a designer is.
March 6, 2009 8:42 PM
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As I designer, I like to do both. There are plenty of times where I will work with colors, themes and styles that aren't anything like my original style because it's a fun change of pace for me and it's good for business. At the same time, I don't forget my roots--after my foray into something new, I inevitably come back to my original style. It's great to change it up once in a while and challenge myself to try something new (I'd get pretty bored if I didn't), but I'm not about to alienate my customers who aren't interested in trying out new styles. That just doesn't make much sense to me, because they will go elsewhere if I don't fill their needs and I know that customer retention is "cheaper" in terms of energy and time than customer acquisition.
I don't mind a change in style, but to completely throw out what they were doing before, that doesn't make sense to me. I don't need 20 designers all doing the same thing. I like variety.
SSD a well known store? Someone has an inflated ego. I never go there nor have I bought from them. --------------------
So true. There's hardly ever anybody in the SSD store...at least there wasn't when you could see the numbers. I guess it was embarrassing for them because they no longer show the number of customers like the better stores.
I think change of style shows how versatile a designer is. =================
I think the same is true of scrappers. If you look at the galleries of some of the DST stars that are in GSO every single day, Their layouts all look the same. There's no journaling or real memories being preserved. I guess that's fine if your ultimate goal is just to create a beautiful layout. But,I want more than that out of my time spent scrapping. I 'try' to create nice layouts that also have some meaning to my real life.
So true. There's hardly ever anybody in the SSD store...at least there wasn't when you could see the numbers. I guess it was embarrassing for them because they no longer show the number of customers like the better stores.
March 8, 2009 7:10 PM
hmm, I hadn't noticed this, but went and checked and you're right!
Well, the thing about the visitor calculator in Zencart is that it is never accurate anyway. You can one person downloading product with a downloader accelerator and it can show that one person as 20 - connection for every link in their downloader. Times that by a 20 or 30 customers and wow, it looks like you are booking.
So, I wouldn't ever consider the store visitor counter to be a temp on the success or failure of a digishop. That is just silly.
That fact that those of you who are dissing SSD knew what store it was shows that it is well known. Whether or not you shop there has nothing to do with how well known it is.
SSD sucks. Yeah, I know what store it is. That doesn't save them from sucking. I'll never purchase anything from them, and they aren't making any money because I happen to recognize their initials.
Anyone have any idea how well DSP is doing with the new 200/300 setup? Are they suddenly gaining new customers now that they have seen the light and added 300ppi?
You know what is even funnier?? SSD stopped using Zencart over 2 months ago and there is no way to see how many people are in the store anymore, so not sure how any of you can see that there isn't anyone shopping.....I call BS.
and they aren't making any money because I happen to recognize their initials.
March 9, 2009 12:03 AM
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How do you know that they aren't making any money? Just because you don't like them doesn't mean that everyone doesn't like them.
And WHO CARES if they are making money or not? Wouldn't that be for the designers and store owner to worry about? Why would that matter to us as customers? They have decent designer retention (ie designers get there and stay) which probably means they are doing something right!
I'm not a designer at all, so I'm not some disgrunteld person who was turned down by SSD. I'm just tired of their candy coated crap so I don't shop there. And to clarify, they're not making any money FROM ME because I recognize their initials. Duh.
Can we move on, or will there be a new onslaught of people who feel that it's their duty to defend SSD from people who dare to have a differing opinion?
But this crap about counters and sales is just stupid. I don't care if a store is making money or not. I care if they are producing stuff that I like and matches my scrapping style. I find kits from SSD to work with my style. I'm in the ranks that doesn't care for the fantasy style so that rules out a number of stores for me.
And I don't get what you mean about the candy coated crap? I don't see how they are different from most other store forums?
Can we move on, or will there be a new onslaught of people who feel that it's their duty to defend SSD from people who dare to have a differing opinion?
March 9, 2009 10:46 AM
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You already fueled the fire by replying. I think those who like SSD should be given their space on this blog too.
I am going to be snarky and complain about GSO layouts again. It irks me when I see gorgeous layouts in there and then go view them closeup and see the credits are photo or foto internet or something. Of course these photos are gorgeous and more likely to make it to the GSO. Off my soapbox now.
I don't even bother looking at GSO anymore. It's all fantasy layouts which just isn't my thing. I miss the days when a GSO would be a layout that looked so much like a paper layout that you would want to reach out and touch it! No extractions except for the elements that were much more traditional scrapping supplies.
The GSO for the most part isn't about outstanding LO anymore and should be renamed "Pimp my Friends". They all seem to be looking the same and are no longer about the photo's /memories but about the "kits".There are a few true GSO's but they are few and far between. Regarding stolen photo's I think its ironic that the designers include anti-piracy lingo in their TOU but it only applies to them and not professional photographers. The onus should be on the designers to reel in their CTM's and stop them from using copyrighted photo's to market their kits. Even some stock photo's that are ok to use for personal use, usually forbid the use of their photo for marketing which is what a CT LO is. There is always the excuse that they don't understand, there is a language barrier but it never seems to in effect for those free kit give aways or the CT calls,lol.
If your looking for a beautiful traditional scrapping LO's go peruse the gallery at Designer Digitals. Its my favorite gallery to just go an browse through.
I miss the days when a GSO would be a layout that looked so much like a paper layout that you would want to reach out and touch it! -------------------
I understand what you are saying, but I like a lot of the layouts that are coming out now, where people are exploring the creativity that digital can give you. I still like the pages that look like paper too, I think there's room for both.
f your looking for a beautiful traditional scrapping LO's go peruse the gallery at Designer Digitals. Its my favorite gallery to just go an browse through.
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I don't like them, they leave a bad taste in my mouth. I'm sure the gallery is nice, but I just avoid the whole site.
I understand what you are saying, but I like a lot of the layouts that are coming out now, where people are exploring the creativity that digital can give you. I still like the pages that look like paper too, I think there's room for both.
March 9, 2009 4:54 PM
BUT GSO isn't including both any more. And it makes the more traditional digital scrapper lost in the shuffle of the fantasy layouts. They are rarely featured in the GSO and I think it's because they just don't fit the crowd participating in GSOs.
ITA. I appreciate these fantasy layouts, I do. They are very beautiful. However, it would be nice to see some other type of layouts, ones that can help inspire me for my own layouts.
I don't even bother looking at GSO anymore. It's all fantasy layouts which just isn't my thing. __________________________________
I wonder if you've looked at it lately? For a long time it was all fantasy layouts, and I stopped looking at it until just a couple of weeks ago, but now I'm seeing a lot more variety. I've found some good inspiration there in the past few weeks. There are still fantasy layouts, but not nearly as many as there used to be.
OK. The TaylorMade Unscripted work art looks exactly like the word art Ali Edwards has been putting out. They even have very similar handwriting. Not cool.
So what is the scoop with DD? They seem very closed to anyone outside of DD, like you can't join their contests if you're a designer of any sort. What if you just like their products and want to do a guest CT gig. It is their store so whatever.
What is DonnaK (known pirate) trying to do by selling 200ppi junk. Oh, Donna, it's ppi not dpi :P http://designers-cu.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19_20&products_id=100
DesignerDigitals. I don't shop at Divine so I am not familiar with them. Plus I think it's been clarified that the mystery designer unhappy at DD is from DesignerDigitals.
okay, so this is actually posted on the scrapsmack blog, check out this stamp set http://static.zoovy.com/img/kraftyatkrafts/-/I/iq_50347_sf_quotopia.jpg
and then check out this kit http://www.wearestorytellers.net/boutique/product.php?productid=17002&cat=0&page=1
So maybe she actually had permission to use that stamp to sell in her digital kit? Just asking, do ya think?
I was just thinking of fantasy layouts, and how if you're going to use a photo from the internet (a child you don't know), shouldn't the layout be posted at a place like DeviantArt.com instead? It seems like that would be more appropriate.
Are there more CU releases than kit releases now? Too many CU Grab Bags too. Talk about destroying the market.
March 11, 2009 5:26 PM ___________
I agree with you and I'm a CU designer. I've been for a long time. I'm a little bit pissed off that all the big names are starting to make CU (I know, it's called competition). They make the same product as I, but because they are well known, people will buy from them. I'm loosing customers, I can see it in my sales. When I started, the market wasn't flooded with CU in every single store.
I was just thinking of fantasy layouts, and how if you're going to use a photo from the internet (a child you don't know), shouldn't the layout be posted at a place like DeviantArt.com instead? It seems like that would be more appropriate.
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Have you actually been there or you just going by rumors? There are a lot of very talented people at Deviant Art who wouldn't dream of stealing someone else's things.
Well that is a bit snarky. I prefer going to my favorite stores and seeing kits not CU after CU. What is your problem?
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Not snarky, just replying to a moot comment. You complaining of seeing CU products is like me saying I am so sick of blogs and hearing the word "twitter." Makes me feel better but it's a pretty useless comment.
I agree with you and I'm a CU designer. I've been for a long time. I'm a little bit pissed off that all the big names are starting to make CU (I know, it's called competition). They make the same product as I, but because they are well known, people will buy from them. I'm loosing customers, I can see it in my sales. When I started, the market wasn't flooded with CU in every single store. ______________________________
It's no different than any other market. There's more than one maker of shoes, mayonaise, televisions, carpets, telephones, curtains, chairs, paper scrapbooking products....etcetera. How is making digital CU items any different? To lift up out of the flood, you need to get an edge and stand out.
Two things about the people now making CU items who weren't before.
First, I personally won't buy CU items from anybody I don't know (ie that have been around a long time, have a pristine reputation - never been busted for anything), and who make great retail stuff under their own name. OR, I have been personally recommended by someone who fits the above description and that I know of old.
Too many people selling CU now who not only have no track record (and therefore don't fully understand what designers actually need in terms of quality and usefulness) but also have only a rudimentary idea about copyright. Endless Dreamstime and Shutterstock pics in 'CU OK' extraction packs, for example. I don't want to waste my money on pixelated, pirated crap. So I stay away from people I don't personally know to be top notch in the CU field.
The other type are the 'big names' who only 18 months or so ago were throwing mud in the DCR about how people who use CU aren't real designers and shouldn't be in the DCR. Some of these same people are now making an obviously substantial part of their income from selling CU to the very same people they were dissing before CU became the cash cow in digiscrap.
I don't buy from hypocrits, so I steer clear of them too.
Not snarky, just replying to a moot comment. You complaining of seeing CU products is like me saying I am so sick of blogs and hearing the word "twitter." Makes me feel better but it's a pretty useless comment.
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Wow. I AM SO SICK OF CU I AM SO SICK OF CU. Childish, probably. I don't care how moot my comment. I AM SO SICK OF CU. Oh yeah, I AM SO SICK OF LOOKING AT BABIES HANGING FROM HEAVEN LAYOUTS. And yes, it makes me feel better. I'm glad you care so much to respond though.
Have you actually been there or you just going by rumors? There are a lot of very talented people at Deviant Art who wouldn't dream of stealing someone else's things.
March 12, 2009 3:48 AM _____________________________________
No. I am a member there. The question is: Are they creating just for the art aspect of it? Or are they creating to preserve memories? Just something to ponder- Where it really belongs.
No. I am a member there. The question is: Are they creating just for the art aspect of it? Or are they creating to preserve memories? Just something to ponder- Where it really belongs.
March 12, 2009 7:12 PM
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Ok. I create for both reasons, art and memory, but I have to admit, it's more art than memory. I hate doing the journaling and I'm thinking, without journaling, it's just a photo prettied up. It needs the journaling to be a memory. I sometimes journal. Not really sure what I scrap. I just like it.
Ok. I create for both reasons, art and memory, but I have to admit, it's more art than memory. I hate doing the journaling and I'm thinking, without journaling, it's just a photo prettied up. It needs the journaling to be a memory. I sometimes journal. Not really sure what I scrap. I just like it.
March 12, 2009 7:24 PM __________________________________
But those are your personal photos? Sometimes photos themselves are worth a thousand words... The "prettied up" photo must mean something to you- and you're scrapping that memory. I wouldn't belittle what you're doing.
Meanwhile, some of these "fantasy scrappers" are taking images of children off of the internet and making some wild art. Does that belong on a digital scrapbooking site? Or does it belong on a graphic arts site? You get comments on either site... Maybe they just like the medium? IDK
I don't get using stock photos all the time. I have sometimes used a stock photo, but I asked permission first. As people have said in the past, a good photo goes a long way to a good LO. The times I've played the Praise Game at DST, when I see they've used a stock photo, I skip right past the LO. I also skip past it if they already have 2 pages of praise. I try and find the player that only has a few comments.
I do scrap my own photos and sometimes I don't scrap any photos, but I still scrap.
Meanwhile, some of these "fantasy scrappers" are taking images of children off of the internet and making some wild art. Does that belong on a digital scrapbooking site? Or does it belong on a graphic arts site? You get comments on either site... Maybe they just like the medium? IDK
March 12, 2009 8:24 PM _____________
I totally understand what you mean and I agree. But we have to keep in mind that posting a LO on DST is a mean of promotion. I think there are plenty of others galleries where any kind of LOs (like the ones where you scrap your pets!) are well received. I stopped posting my personal LOs a while ago. I don't see the point of showing my memories to everyone to see as I don't need their comments to keep me scrapping.
Not everyone who posts on DST does it as a mean of promotion. Some of us do not have other sites that we frequent. There are a good number that do it for promotional purposes or praise. I find it very annoying to see photo from internet in the credits. If I post a beautiful picture of my child and say post it on my blog, no one has the right to use it just because it is off the internet.
Some of these same people are now making an obviously substantial part of their income from selling CU to the very same people they were dissing before CU became the cash cow in digiscrap.
I don't buy from hypocrits, so I steer clear of them too. ------------ I don't want to buy from them either. So for those of us not in the DCR, please share....who are they?
Somehow I knew one of those CU hypocrites was going to be Amanda Rockwell.
All she does these days is spit that stuff out. I have no idea why SA took her on in the first place, and now she just constantly clogs up their new products pages with that crap.
Where does Grace Bennett sell? I haven't seen her stuff in ages, but if all she's doing is cranking out the CU, I'm not going to bother checking her stuff out.
Isn't Tracey Rennemo, the Haley from the DST hot topics section?
I really don't see an issue with commercial use items. I do use CU items when I am working on something, get an idea in my head and can't seem to come up with my own item or I happen to know someone has one somewhere I can use. I don't buy CU just because it's CU, I really don't have anyone I consistenly buy from and I certainly don't pay attention to who's selling what. When I need something specific, I use the handy little search function in stores or I use google and if I can find it, great. Now, if I get that something and it's crap, I will make a note not to buy from that person again. I certainly don't pay attention to who's who and how long they've been selling. I think I'd get a brain cramp just from attempting to keep track. I do my own thing and I don't get headaches. All the attitude about it doesn't make any sense to me. Who gives a crap who's selling what, anyway? The fact that some of you can remember what designer said what months ago is disturbing and makes me wonder if you shouldn't just shut down your computer for a while and stay away from ANY online digital scrapbooking community. I come here for the entertainment value but you'll never see my name on any public message board anywhere or any of my layouts in any gallery.
I shop digital scrapbook stores (cu or other) like I shop any other retail stores both online and off. If I have a need for something, whoever has what I'm looking for at the best price gets my dollars. My best advice is just to do your own thing, stop worrying about what everyone else is doing and you'll feel so much better.
Moving on, has anyone checked out Cinzia Loosemoore's store since she moved to Sunshine Studio? I was browsing through the DST coupons, and followed the link to her store-wow, her prices seem high. $12 for a full kit, and $5.99 for paper packs? It almost seems like she doubled her prices while the 50% coupon is in effect.
Somehow I knew one of those CU hypocrites was going to be Amanda Rockwell.
All she does these days is spit that stuff out. I have no idea why SA took her on in the first place, and now she just constantly clogs up their new products pages with that crap.
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I agree. And what's with her "No TOU'' policy? She just thinks she's above us all. She has big ego and attitude.
oh yeah she is just a horrible evil person. she has done nothing but mean and hateful things to everyone in this community. i say we all just say the meanest things we can about her because she deserves it. she kicked my puppy. what did she do to all of you?
I don't even really get Scrap Artist. Why are they so big? There's very little there I'd ever want.
March 14, 2009 3:46 PM
Just because you don't want it doesn't mean that other people don't like it.
Amanda Rockwell is one of the nicest digi people that I know. You can't even come up with something more specific than her posting in a thread from a couple years ago. So what? she moved into commercial use? She also teaches designers how to design. OMG! Like you have never said something and then changed your mind.
I think you are full of crap and can't stand to see someone succeed.
agree. And what's with her "No TOU'' policy? She just thinks she's above us all. She has big ego and attitude.
March 14, 2009 2:42 PM
wtf? are you for real? she does it differently than everyone else and that makes you think she has a big ego. You must not have matured past the age of 12.
it's on the product page of the item you are purchasing. I'd rather have it spelled out in the product description than to download the product and be surprised at the terms.
I am just an average scrapper, not a designer. I am not active on any CT's, although I have been in the past. I am not active in any "scrapbook community", I don't post on the message boards, and I don't post my layouts online anymore. I read the Digi boards for entertainment, and am constantly amazed at what people share on the internet. I freely admit to reading the scrapbook smack blogs, it is a guilty pleasure.
You can email me at: DSTHallofFame@gmail.com
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No it isn't, it's eledish.
Which is presumably what an elephant eats it's Cheerios from.
LOLSCOMM!
I say you're both wrong. It's philyac. Which is like insomniac, except the person has an insatiable desire for cream-cheese.
SSD is very well known anymore for putting out shit and thinking they can get away with it because of the names.
And I have it on good authority that they've refused to let several young, fresh designers with original ideas join their design team the last 6 months.
You have no desire to because you cannot design. The point I am making is if the name is not something you are familiar with you do not buy it. Well I guarantee that half of these not so well known Designers blow some of the top names out of the water in sales. So maybe you should get off you little popular girl pedastals and give them a chance. Just because you have a popular name in the digi world does not make everything you create a kick ass gotta have item.
March 3, 2009 10:49 AM
You're absolutely right, I can't design and have no desire to learn how to. And there's really only one popular designer I do buy from. I'll just refrain from mentioning who it is because she doesn't deserve the bitching I'm sure you'd lay on her. I'm more than willing to buy from lesser known designers and lesser known stores and do so quite frequently. I find that a lot of the lesser known designers try a whole lot harder and produce a much higher quality product. They also seem to produce different, out-of-the-norm things, which is what intrigues me even more than a name ever would.
But that's not going to stop me or anyone else that comes here to bitch and smack from smacking designers we think suck, whether it's for their sub-par designs or their shitty attitudes. Like I said, this is a SMACK BLOG.
Talking about someone who thinks she can get away with it just because she's known:
http://www.misstiina.com/goshop/product.php?productid=16586&cat=384&page=1
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-19361353-children-playing.html
Oh how funny, my word verification is 'copie'. Must be the French spelling. ;)
Anyhow, what exactly is Miss Tiina getting away with? I read the tou (http://www.shutterstock.com/licensing.mhtml) but it's gibberish to me.
And, let me get this straight. Because *I* can't design, I shouldn't have the gall to refuse to patronize designers whose work is clearly inferior? Riiiiiiight.
And, let me get this straight. Because *I* can't design, I shouldn't have the gall to refuse to patronize designers whose work is clearly inferior? Riiiiiiight.
March 3, 2009 12:46 PM
Thank you! Exactly my point. And if indeed I find someone who's work sucks and is indeed sub-par I'm certainly going to let other people know. And it has to be done here because doing it at DST isn't worth the grief you get for having the guts to be honest. So just because I can't and don't design doesn't mean I can't be picky about who I buy from.
http://www.misstiina.com/goshop/product.php?productid=16634&cat=384&page=1
"drawn by myself" my ass!
They are from paperchase:
http://astore.amazon.co.uk/printpatte-21?node=15&page=17
Well then I apologize to you for saying that. Alot of people however do only buy because of a name. People really should give these not so popular names a chance. I have seen some very clever and cool kits come from them.
Yes SSD will only allow people that have a name for themselves into their store. That is really sad because the things they call Designs in that store are just crap. They think way to highly of themselves and I know alot of people who used to be big fans of that store have quit shopping there because of the kits.Kay Miller was smart for getting out of there. They are shit anymore.
I am not saying do not buy from the well known Designers but these not so well known ladies also deserve a chance to be recognized if they have nice kits.I guess in this community it is not what you produce but who you are.
Just because they are not known does not make them or their Designs inferior.
I am not saying do not buy from the well known Designers but these not so well known ladies also deserve a chance to be recognized if they have nice kits.I guess in this community it is not what you produce but who you are.
Just because they are not known does not make them or their Designs inferior.
March 3, 2009 12:59 PM
I agree 100%, and I think I find myself more and more drawn to smaller, lesser known stores all the time. I will admit that when DST first started I was all about buying from the most popular and well-known names, but it sure didn't take me long to get over that!
That tree is from this book: http://store.doverpublications.com/0486995860.html
Dover allows for commercial use.
Alot of the problem with the not so well known Designers is alot of people do not know who alot of them are. Do you have a list any good shops with these Designers? I would love to buy from someone that is not all about the name and has nice Designs for sale. Thanks in advance for any help.
Alot of the problem with the not so well known Designers is alot of people do not know who alot of them are.
I think that's what makes them not well known.
We should start a list of lesser known designers who put out great kits. I have been on a shopping freeze the past month, but I will try to put together a list of my favorites too.
We should start a list of lesser known designers who put out great kits.
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Sounds like another CT pimping opportunity.
SSD needs some "young fresh" designers in a big way. They're getting stagnant.
Yes-SSD need Tracie Stroud-Megan Turndridge-am I right?
Alright where are these great lesser known designers in lesser known stores that put out kits 10 times better than the big stores? I seriously could not care less about what store or designer it is from, as long as the kit is pretty. But stop talking and start showing.
Sounds like some people here were turned down by SSD and really pissed.
Actually I was thinking Meg Mullens and Krystal Hartley.
Krystal and Meghan are both Babes.
Just a shopper here, but I think SSD sucks. Their stuff is extremely juvenile and/or tacky and totally, totally unoriginal. Flat papers, crappy and/or boring elements. It's like Rainbow Bright gone mad. The same flowers and swirls over. and over. and over.
A few designers whose work I really used to like just went totally downhill after moving to SSD.
I prowl as many non 'big name' stores as I can. I have found some great stuff at PDW from Donna Rafferty, and some nice things at escape and scrap--the ebony and lace brushes or something like that by Jo Pacquin (sp?). I love Irene Alexeeva's stuff, too. I've also found some nice things from Raspberry Road. I have some nice things from Kellie Mize at WST, and I have always loved Audrey Neal's stuff, from the time she was at OScraps. I used to love Debra Tope's stuff, but it looks like she retired. OScraps has lots of unsung talent and always has. I buy occasionally from big name stores, but only if it's something I like. There's a lot of stuff out there, but it takes lots of looking and shopping around.
Some of the 'successful' big names were/are only that way because of rabid CTs/friends and relentless pimping. There ARE lots of us who see through that, so chin up, disgruntled designer with the pissy cheerios!
Sounds like another CT pimping opportunity.
True, but I'd like to know who some of these 'great' unknowns allegedly are.
I like Kristin Aagard at GP and Pamela Odonnis at TDC. There are a few good designers at ES too.
True, but I'd like to know who some of these 'great' unknowns allegedly are.
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You make it sound like anyone who isn't well-known must not be any good. "good" is in the eye of the consumer. I could point out a lot of designers I think are as good or better than the names that are known. Problem is, you might not think they're as good as I do.
Who are the good designers @ ES?
Seems like a lot of commercial use SSD wanna be to me...
SSD is very well known anymore for putting out shit and thinking they can get away with it because of the names.
March 3, 2009 10:56 AM
The same could be said for many big name stores and designers. And honestly, there aren't very many names at SSD that I've heard of. I have never bought all the hype that SSD is such a big, successful store. And honestly, I don't care one way or another if it is. I don't like their stuff, and I don't bother with them.
To me, digi designers are like singers--when they're on their way up and trying hard, they put out some great stuff. When they hit the big time, they get lazy or develop a major diva complex or they just start acting like coked out freaks. Then there's the whole problem of overexposure once they're really big. Seeing 5 billion twig and berry and fantasy layouts is like hearing the same popular song on the radio all the time. You get sick of it pretty fast.
DST is worthless if you're looking for anything but the overhyped, totally trendy stuff.
3:16 How hard is it for you to create your own product and then it will be in perfect form for you? All you bitches in here bitching about how this person sucks ect. When none of you probably know how to create a damn element if you life depended on it. Also as for the "well known stores" I have seen 100 times better quality and much better kits in the " not so well known stores". What are we all in Jr high? We cannot buy from a Designer that is not that well known? WTF people grow the hell up. No wonder this world is the way it is because of stupid bitches like this.
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WTF? I didn't single out anyone and really, I didn't ask for perfection, I only asked for non blurry product. I'm so sorry that you are happy with sub standard shit, but I'm not. Good for you for liking the dollar stuff at boutique prices.
If I knew how to make something, I wouldn't need to buy it. DOH!!! What a moron.
You are behaving like a kindergartner, let alone like someone in jnr high. Get a grip.
Lesser known, or at least lesser know to me until just recently
http://www.scrapmalin.com/scrap-digital.php
http://digital-crea.fr/shop/
http://www.plaindigitalwrapper.com/shoppe/home.php (not really a lesser known store but lesser known designers and I can usually find something that I'm looking for)
http://www.pickleberrypop.com/shop/home.php?xid=8252194cd8429bd9fc5df6c5278c92e1 (again a well known store but some not-so-well-known designers)
http://www.scrapthatidea.com/store/
Well then I apologize to you for saying that. Alot of people however do only buy because of a name.
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I agree completely. I buy from who I like and it has nothing to do with being a name or not, I don't even know who a name is.
http://www.misstiina.com/goshop/product.php?productid=16634&cat=384&page=1
"drawn by myself" my ass!
They are from paperchase:
http://astore.amazon.co.uk/printpatte-21?node=15&page=17
March 3, 2009 12:56 PM
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I knew they looked familiar! Thanks.
Verification word: hypon - how funny
10.
Anyhow, what exactly is Miss Tiina getting away with? I read the tou (http://www.shutterstock.com/licensing.mhtml) but it's gibberish to me.
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This is the part that matters:
Resell, redistribute or transfer any Image except as specifically provided herein. Displaying any Image in any digital format or for any digital use at a resolution greater than 800 x 600 pixels, except in preliminary design work, will be deemed to be an attempt to redistribute the Image and could result in the termination of your rights under this agreement.
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She can't resell the image at size bigger than 800 x 600, now that size is pretty small and would be useless on the standard 12 x 12 scrap page, so she's clearly breaking the terms.
That tree is from this book: http://store.doverpublications.com/0486995860.html
Dover allows for commercial use.
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Where? I don't see on the cover. If it's in the book, that's pretty useless as this isn't much evidence.
FFS! would you scrapping police wannabes please take this up with the designers and/or the wronged parties?!
I am so damn tired of designers bitching and moaning about who copied who, and who's ripping off Dover etc. all over every freakin' forum or blog in digiland.
If anyone knows of a forum or blog that's designer free (or at least free from all the designer drama-mongering), PLEASE point me to it.
You make it sound like anyone who isn't well-known must not be any good.
No, I know there are designers that don't get a lot of hype or haven't been discovered by the masses yet who are very, very good.
However, on blogs like this *usually* the unknowns who get mentioned are unknown for a reason.
I totally agree with the mentions of Kristin Aagard (who also seems very, very nice), digital-crea.fr, and Scrapmalin. I like several designers at ES, and I really like their dollar days. O'Scraps has some fantastic talent - I guess I never considered it a lesser known store. And there are a few designers at Scrap Orchard and Sunshine Studio I really like.
I am so damn tired of designers bitching and moaning about who copied who, and who's ripping off Dover etc. all over every freakin' forum or blog in digiland.
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How do you know it's designers? Half the freaking time it's a loyal scrapper. And do you know that it happens in every forum? You must really get around as there are so many forums.
It's designers. It's obvious.
Where? I don't see on the cover. If it's in the book, that's pretty useless as this isn't much evidence.
March 3, 2009 6:54 PM
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I OWN the book.
I'm kinda of tired of people pointing the finger at stuff like this when they don't really have enough information to throw out the accusation. How come the person at the stocksite isn't being accused of stealing or getting smacked for selling a Dover image?
There are MANY images out there that are on stock sites that are really public domain. Everyone is allowed to make money off of those including stocksite designers. But smart designers know how to obtain them through Dover or other public domain image sites.
Just sayin' it seems a lot of people on this blog are throwing accusations and really don't know anything about the images' origin. Stock doesn't mean that they are creator of the image or art.
DST is worthless if you're looking for anything but the overhyped, totally trendy stuff.
March 3, 2009 6:14 PM
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Yup yup yup... there is such a high school popularity mentality over there.. it is all about who's popular and has zero to do with who is talented...
I'm kinda of tired of people pointing the finger at stuff like this when they don't really have enough information to throw out the accusation.
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I agree completely.
It's designers. It's obvious.
March 3, 2009 8:24 PM
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You must have some inside information then. I think it's pretty much half and half.
Yup yup yup... there is such a high school popularity mentality over there.. it is all about who's popular and has zero to do with who is talented...
March 3, 2009 9:23 PM
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So WHO are these "popular" people without much talent?
Anyone at SSD they suck and think they are the best shit since white bread.
I'm kinda of tired of people pointing the finger at stuff like this when they don't really have enough information to throw out the accusation.
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I also agree. You have no idea what kind of permission a designer may have gotten from any commercial use resources they may use. You see something and think it is fact that the Designer copied something. There are a lot of designers who have legal permission to use a lot of stuff seen on the web. Many have bought licenses which permit use of certain things. If you don't know for a fact that something is actually copied why don't you find out before you make accusations.
I also agree. You have no idea what kind of permission a designer may have gotten from any commercial use resources they may use. You see something and think it is fact that the Designer copied something. There are a lot of designers who have legal permission to use a lot of stuff seen on the web. Many have bought licenses which permit use of certain things. If you don't know for a fact that something is actually copied why don't you find out before you make accusations.
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There is no way a fabric or paper company will allow a designer to take their patterns and sell them as their own. Moreover, MissTiina states in her product description that the designs are "drawn by herself". This is a misrepresentation. Stop defending her, she made a BIG mistake.
There is no way a fabric or paper company will allow a designer to take their patterns and sell them as their own. Moreover, MissTiina states in her product description that the designs are "drawn by herself". This is a misrepresentation. Stop defending her, she made a BIG mistake.
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How do you know they aren't drawn by her? Whereas what she is selling was on that site, they're kawaii things, do you know how many people make kawaii things and sell them? They're characters, cute little things with faces drawn on them. Try search Kawaii on deviantart and see all the shit people have made. It's not illegal.
It really annoys me when there are GSO layouts made out of stock photos. Good photos really help the layout and that is just plain cheating.
I am tired of people sticking their nose in the shutter stock copy right/ issue
Shutter stock artist use ALSO other peoples resources! They are actually several who use resources all the time,
It s easy to redraw those little critters ( all it is, is some circles in the right places)
she probably did see them on the mug or on the book or what ever....
you think a person is incapable of redrawing or coping a idea? You never been to target where they copy every manufacturers item and EVEN put it right next to the original so you can either buy their copy of that item or the real olay, GEEEZZZ
And I am sick of those do-good anonymous people who are not the owner of the file but only think they know what this or that person did. ITS an OLD and worn out topic!
I hate the Twilight layouts the most.
Don't people look at the previous posts. It's the same damn layouts over and over in GSO.
Agreed on the Twilight layouts. So over it.
It usually rolls through this blog a few times a year - the designer attack squad. They bruise in calling foul on any designer they imagine to be using "tools" to create their kits.
And, like clockwork, we will remind them that all the florals, paisleys, spots, stripes, ribbons, brads, buttons, glitter, textures, string, shapes, etc etc etc...they are all created using tools. Whether its a shape template, a background texture, a brush, an action,an overlay - they are rarely created from scratch, if ever, these days. It's actually what a designer does with the tools that differentiates them from the pack.
Where a designer buys the rights to use those tools - its actually no one's business but her own. The only issue with copyright that should be public discussion is when one designer steals an ORIGINAL design. Yeah, that's right. ORIGINAL. Not an idea or a concept or a trend. Not a copycat - but actually buying someone's already created work and reselling it as your own.
I am going to put my 2cents in on a few of the topics here all at one time instead of comming in here over and over. First I would like to comment on people being critics to those that use CU items in their kits. Are these not what they are created for so people can use them? Not everyone is a extraction guru or a artist for that matter. I for one use alot of CU items and I make plenty of money. I am more then thankful to those that offer these resources to use in our kits. God forbid we do not piece every single thing together ourselves that we use. Or extract it out of a magazine, Picture or whatever the case may be.
Secondly as for these "well known stores" unless you are well known in the community they do not give you a second look. You can have a beautiful kit perfectly put together but unless you are known they do not want anything to do with you. That is really a sad attitude to have because you could really be missing out on some great talent.
I know that my kits are just as good and sometimes better then some of the Designers in these well known stores. Since I am not known in the Digiworld to many people accept those that have found my Designs I am just ignored when I apply at a store most of the time. I mean you do not even have the courtesy to say you have recieved the submissions but arent interested.
I am in a couple of different stores, I would say one is pretty well known but the others not so much but the not so well known stores are the ones that treat their Designers with respect and like a human being. So I gave up applying to all those Well known stores because honestly they do not give a shit about anyone but themselves and what big names they can get in their stores.
I will stick with the less known stores and be happy and actually get recognized for my hard work.
So to the Designer or Designers that posted yesterday about not getting into the Well known stores do not let it bother you because it is them that are losing out on some great talent because we arent the label they are looking for.
Well said. I wish people would understand that and stop nit-picking. Holy crap, so-and-so bought a Dover book and is using images from it! Gee, I thought that was the whole point of buying the book in the first place? I agree that reselling those images as they are is kind of tacky but I don't see anywhere that says they can't.
My mother is an absolutely wonderful designer with silk plants and flowers. The things she creates are breathtaking..she does all kinds of things, including weddings.
She buys the silks and pots and creates art from them.
She hardly makes them from scratch.
Why people in this business think using supplies has to be different and one can only use their own original work is beyond me. If the tools are there for you, use them. It seems the only ones who give a shit are other designers, anyway.
for the person that needed proof that the tree is a Dover Image:
http://tinyurl.com/dover-proof
Look at the keywords.
So you accused someone of stealing something that is public domain. To be the pirate police you'll have to do better than that.
sorry, I'm an idiot who can't copy and paste:
http://tinyurl.com/czu5ej
this one proves dover...
If the tools are there for you, use them. It seems the only ones who give a shit are other designers, anyway.
March 4, 2009 1:44 PM
Yes, the only ones who give a shit ARE designers. Shoppers just want to find/buy things they like-it doesn't really matter how it was made.
Someone needs to start a forum just for all the designers to accuse each other of copying and/or misusing stock images.
Someone needs to start a forum just for all the designers to accuse each other of copying and/or misusing stock images.
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How about someone NOT do that and designers only worry about making sure that they are only using stuff that is ok for commercial use? The finger pointing is stupid!
I seriously doubt that it was a designer accusing Tinna of swiping that image. I would HOPE that a designer would be able to recognize a Dover image. Then again some people just seem to have it out for certain designers.
New designers...I know it can be frustrating starting out in business. Just think how hard it would be for a new cola to come on the market. When ever people talk about colas they talk about Coke and Pepsi. To get a store to carry something other than Coke or Pepsi a new cola is going to have to have something pretty special going on no matter how great it tastes.
New designers have the same problem. In my opinion, you can't start with the store. You need to start with the customers. You need to have a fun blog, host challenges and chats, be visible, etc. Once the customers start following you...stores will want you.
No matter how great a product is your business will not be successful it you don't manage, promote and maintain it. If you don't have the time to run your business in addition to designing and creating new product you have to accept that you may remain lesser known.
I am not a designer, merely a customer. I can't help think that if a designer is spending time at this blog, she is not spending time running her business.
SSD a well known store? Someone has an inflated ego. I never go there nor have I bought from them.
The tree...people should mind their own business. There are many sites Tina could have gotten the tree from It is public domain and who cares anyway? Maybe I would love to have that tree and I don't want to buy the Dover book, and scan the image in. I might be thrilled that a designer has done that and offered it in a kit.
The cute animals...she may have drawn them herself. How easy is it to copy what someone else has done. I was in a museum once and a man had an easel set up and was copying a Da Vince painting. My gosh he was doing a great job! Was this guy committing some crime? HE could have sold it and said "I painted this myself". He would have been right and as long as he didn't try to claim that Leonardo Da Vince painted it...he was doing nothing wrong.
If you have a problem with what a designer is selling. Why not contact them or contact the person you *think* was the victim. The only good you are doing by complaining about it on a smack blog is to cause us to go check it out and giving further publicity to the person you are trying to out.
God forbid anyone come to a chat that a unknown Designer is hosting. That would be just a OMG moment. Also as for the comment of Designers here not working on their business was not very intelligent. Designers do other things besides Design. Like let other Designers know that they are not alone in the feeling lesser then.
I do not mean to sound unintelligent but I hardly think that a smack blog is the place for new designers to commensurate and offer each other assurances.
I was trying to be a little helpful in suggesting that this is not where you should be hanging out if you want to become better known. Possibly a site where you are not anonymous would be a better choice.
SSD a well known store? Someone has an inflated ego. I never go there nor have I bought from them.
March 4, 2009 3:06 PM
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And yet, somehow, just by the initials, you knew who they were. Doesn't that mean they are well known? It's doesn't matter if you don't shop there, you know them.
I think the designers defending the CU issue are missing the point. I don't want to buy two different kits from two different designers and find the same thing in them, with no change.
Some designers are very creative with their CU items and I do buy from them, others are not.
I have problem with CU items, it's the lack of creativity with them that I don't like.
No, I'm not a designer, just a fed up customer. Don't think it's just the designers that care, the discerning customer does too.
And I have it on good authority that they've refused to let several young, fresh designers with original ideas join their design team the last 6 months.
March 3, 2009 11:12 AM
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So? It's their business to be run anyway they like. When you start putting money into it, you can have your say.
You must be a SSD employee or owner. Otherwise why defend their stupidity and snobby ass attitude. It's okay. Because it is them that is getting a bad rep from the attitude that they put out there.
I think the designers defending the CU issue are missing the point. I don't want to buy two different kits from two different designers and find the same thing in them, with no change.
Some designers are very creative with their CU items and I do buy from them, others are not.
I have problem with CU items, it's the lack of creativity with them that I don't like.
No, I'm not a designer, just a fed up customer. Don't think it's just the designers that care, the discerning customer does too.
March 4, 2009 4:14 PM
Exactly! I don't care how much CU a designer uses, as long as she puts a twist on it. I've passed up quite a few kits because I already have that flower 10 times over, that ribbon 10 times over, etc...I can take that ribbon or flower and recolor it myself over and over again, I don't need kits from different designers all using the same flower or ribbon. CU as much as you want, that's not the problem.
There is no way a fabric or paper company will allow a designer to take their patterns and sell them as their own. Moreover, MissTiina states in her product description that the designs are "drawn by herself". This is a misrepresentation. Stop defending her, she made a BIG mistake.
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and do you know WHO made those papers. Wouldn't it be strange if the papers are designs that she made and sold to the paper comapny. Do you know HOW many designers are designing for paper companies and some are allowed to retain their copyrights. Do you even know one by name?? Some paper companies don't allow the designers name to be anywhere on the paper. There is one designer who has had her designs in her store and sells them to a stamp company. I hate to say it but some people don't know what they are talking about nor get the facts before they plaster it here and it amazes me the others who are stupid enough to believe everything they read. Maybe it would behoove some to get knowledgable before they make stupid statements.
You must be a SSD employee or owner. Otherwise why defend their stupidity and snobby ass attitude. It's okay. Because it is them that is getting a bad rep from the attitude that they put out there.
March 4, 2009 4:34 PM
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Wrong on both counts. I just don't see why so many people on this blog get their panties in a wad about them.
and do you know WHO made those papers. Wouldn't it be strange if the papers are designs that she made and sold to the paper comapny. Do you know HOW many designers are designing for paper companies and some are allowed to retain their copyrights. Do you even know one by name?? Some paper companies don't allow the designers name to be anywhere on the paper. There is one designer who has had her designs in her store and sells them to a stamp company. I hate to say it but some people don't know what they are talking about nor get the facts before they plaster it here and it amazes me the others who are stupid enough to believe everything they read. Maybe it would behoove some to get knowledgable before they make stupid statements.
March 4, 2009 6:15 PM
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Amen! I can think of at least three designers who sell to stamp companies and quite a lot more who sell to paper companies.
I just have to laugh at the word 'behoove.' I'm not knocking your usage of it or anything--it's just one of those words that sounds silly when you think about the word itself.
It really would be nice if all the digi police take their sleuthing attempts somewhere else, though.
for the person that needed proof that the tree is a Dover Image:
http://tinyurl.com/dover-proof
Look at the keywords.
So you accused someone of stealing something that is public domain. To be the pirate police you'll have to do better than that.
March 4, 2009 2:43 PM
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I didn't accuse anyone of anything, I just wanted to clarify that the tree was in the book. You posted a link to a book that showed me nothing, I wanted to make sure of all my facts before making a decision. So I asked. It's a pity you didn't do the same, thinking that I was the one who started the whole tree post in the first place. I know it's hard to tell who said what, but you just assumed it was me.
Wrong on both counts. I just don't see why so many people on this blog get their panties in a wad about them.
March 4, 2009 6:19 PM
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Not the OP, but I can't stand that place, either. Crap for product and the atmosphere is way too fake and kool-aid ish for me.
I've also seen some very, very crappy behavior from some of their designers, sugar babes, etc.
I think almost every store has people who can't stand it for one reason or another.
Wow there sure seems to be an obsession about SSD. There are a lot of sites out there. If you don't like a place, go else where. It's not like options are in short supply.
Consumers are not stupid. I don't think anyone continues to purchase crap just because a designer is well known. They may purchase crap one or two times but pretty soon they get the picture and move on to a different designer.
One of the issues is that what might be crap to one person is gorgeous to someone else.
I love $1 day at FPD but I really wish that they would clear out some of the stuff that has been in there forever.
what is the issue with scraporchard?
I actually found their monthly megas a good value for the 3 bucks when they are introduced.
any backstory I am missing here?
In regards to bad behavior at SSD. I agree and I am a SSD fan.
I recall a time when there was a scrapper who obviously scraplifted a layout from one of the scrappers on the SSD forum.
Because the scrapper did not "credit" the original scrapper the SSD girls went APE SHIT and started leaivng comments on the layout about how she had scraplifted and should have credited, etc..
I am talking about 6-7 women doing this silly bullying. I was so repulsed and surprised by the ones who joined in. They were women I had previously admired and I was shocked by their behavior.
Who knows if the woman who did the scraplifting was even aware of "crediting" for scraplifting,
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CREDITING IS A COURTESY NOT A RIGHT!
Unless the layout is for a CT I see no reason why anyone would feel obligated to credit anyone.
The whole thing was sickening and ended my participation in the SSD forum. I still make purchases there regulalry but I will not interact with the vultures that seem to frequent that forum.
Do you have a link to this layout?
2:37-thanks for speaking up. It's nice to see some honesty about SSD for a change!
I've witnessed some similar things over there. Now I just steer clear and rarely buy.
SSD are not alone in that behavior. You should see what goes on in other forums too. DD can be just as bad. Most of the forums have this real clique and it drives me mental. Then they wonder why they have no participation and no one wants to hang out. Maybe it's because they don't welcome anyone. It's not rocket science and I wish the owners and moderators would wake up.
I sell at DD and I will tell you that is one of the rudest and coldest stores out there to sell in. They do not care about anyone but themselves. They are constantly have a problem with this or that and needing to generate sales. Well Generate a decent product. Not only that but they do treat the Designers like shit and wonder why no one wants to participate in anything they have going on. They ignore emails that you send them pertaining to certain things.If it does not benefit them then it is just kicked to the side. I wish I could get into some different stores so I could leave that place but like many others I need the money.
what does DD stand for?
Anonymous said...
what does DD stand for?
March 5, 2009 5:19 PM
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Based on the posters comments and my experiences-I'm going to go on a limb and guess Designer Digitals. Interesting to know which designer the poster is. lol
DD is Divine Digital, it is to my knowledge anyhow. Which if it is Designer Digitals then they belong in the same class with Divine.
The only DD I shop at is Designer Digitals but I didn't think of Divine Digital since I don't hang out there. So which DD is it? Just to note, I think Designer Digitals is a pretty friendly place the few times I hung out there. I don't hang out on forums or galleries much though.
I sell at DD and I will tell you that is one of the rudest and coldest stores out there to sell in.
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I'm assuming Divine Digitals, as I can't see Designer Digitals having problems generating sales.
I was talking about Designer Digitals. I didn't even think about Divine Digitals when I said DD.
That is a surprise. I didn't think Designer Digitals had any problems generating a sale. Don't want to set anyone off but I don't put Divine Digital and Designers Digitals in the same category.
I don't believe that about Designer Digitals. Unless this is Kellie Mize who just left from there.
Anyone else sick of these "Fantasy Layouts" all over the place? The Shabby Pickle newsletter always has a ton of them.
That's just what is popular right now.
Anyone else sick of these "Fantasy Layouts" all over the place? The Shabby Pickle newsletter always has a ton of them.
March 5, 2009 9:29 PM
That's just what is popular right now.
March 5, 2009 10:50 PM
It may be what's popular but it's not the only way to scrap. There are plenty of us out there that scrap the real stuff and it would be nice, once in awhile, to see something other than fantasy.
word verification: apoof LOL, just made me giggle.
I personally love SSD. I don't see why everyone here has such an ax to grind. And it's a thriving site with tons of participating and active members so I am inclined to believe you are just a bitter handful.
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Talking about someone who thinks she can get away with it just because she's known:
http://www.misstiina.com/goshop/product.php?productid=16586&cat=384&page=1
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-19361353-children-playing.html
March 3, 2009 12:13 PM
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Ok, you can purchase images to use from certain sites for digital scrappy stuff....but to resell it as a CU item..NO WAY!
sorry, I'm an idiot who can't copy and paste:
http://tinyurl.com/czu5ej
this one proves dover...
March 4, 2009 2:48 PM
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Dover, that says clipart.com
one of the keywords is dover which most likely means it is from dover.
Dover, that says clipart.com
March 6, 2009 12:54 PM
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oh sheesh!
Look at the Keywords at Clipart.com for the link. It's a Dover Image. They have almost all of the Dover Images there. And I own the book that has that image in it. The person that posted that link was trying to prove to the accusers here that it is actually a DOVER image. Clipart.com doesn't usually produce its own images. It collects them from various artists and works out the terms with them. INCLUDING DOVER!
And you can sell Dover images as Commercial Use (no more than 12 in a package). Clipart.com's terms would not be worth much because the original terms of use are determined by Dover since they did nothing to alter the image. They are public domain. Miss Tinna did alter the image by only using the tree. I'm guessing that she got the image directly from the Dover book.
Care to argue this any more?
1:17: you can use Dover for commercial use as long as it is derivative works, not the original scanned images. They must be altered in some way. And I believe that it is actually no more than 10 per package.
Anyone else sick of these "Fantasy Layouts" all over the place? The Shabby Pickle newsletter always has a ton of them.
March 5, 2009 9:29 PM
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YES! And all the babies dangling all over the place.
It may be what's popular but it's not the only way to scrap. There are plenty of us out there that scrap the real stuff and it would be nice, once in awhile, to see something other than fantasy.
word verification: apoof LOL, just made me giggle.
March 6, 2009 5:58 AM
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There are many layouts in the galleries that have a different scrap style. They are not getting the attention that the fantasy layouts are getting. What to do? Leave comments for them or nominate something that is not from Lily/Jofia/NLD/etc. Their kits are gorgeous but it would be nice to see other layouts in the GSO.
I don't doubt at all that Divine Digital is having problems with sales and participation. That place is awful, and I am constantly amazed that any designer is willing to sell there.
YES! And all the babies dangling all over the place.
March 6, 2009 5:26 PM
This made me laugh :) Very true!
So bird cages are the trend now. I DOUBLE DOG DARE someone to create a layout where they put their kids in the cage.
Come on. You know you want to.
ROFL
I'm not sick of the fantasy layouts. There are lots of different kinds of layouts in the gallery at DST and other galleries.
What I am sick of is designers who completely change their style. Look at Kasia. She used to have this fun and funky style, along the lines of the Power Sisters, and now she's gone the way of Jofia and co with the fantasy look. She's obviously really influenced by the designers she sells with. I used to buy from Kasia, but I won't now as other designers are doing the same thing and are doing it better.
I really admire the designers who have stuck to their style. They get my repeat business because they are reliable. I don't always want what's trendy and it's nice to know that I can rely on some designers to give me something else.
I really admire the designers who have stuck to their style. They get my repeat business because they are reliable. I don't always want what's trendy and it's nice to know that I can rely on some designers to give me something else.
March 6, 2009 7:31 PM
Amen Sista, Amen!
I think change of style shows how versatile a designer is. Someone that can do one style and move completely down the aisle to create something very different is (in my opinion) a great designer. If you can create something from one end of the spectrum to the next shows you are flexible and can provide something for all styles and be open for the whole market. It also shows they are constantly experimenting and learning.
I can't see how that's a bad thing.
YES! And all the babies dangling all over the place.
March 6, 2009 5:26 PM
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I think change of style shows how versatile a designer is. Someone that can do one style and move completely down the aisle to create something very different is (in my opinion) a great designer. If you can create something from one end of the spectrum to the next shows you are flexible and can provide something for all styles and be open for the whole market. It also shows they are constantly experimenting and learning.
I can't see how that's a bad thing.
March 6, 2009 8:42 PM
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LOL very true.
if i still kept the same style, I'd still have feathered hair and have 2 pairs of socks scrunched over my pants.
I really admire the designers who have stuck to their style. They get my repeat business because they are reliable.
March 6, 2009 7:31 PM
I think change of style shows how versatile a designer is.
March 6, 2009 8:42 PM
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As I designer, I like to do both. There are plenty of times where I will work with colors, themes and styles that aren't anything like my original style because it's a fun change of pace for me and it's good for business. At the same time, I don't forget my roots--after my foray into something new, I inevitably come back to my original style. It's great to change it up once in a while and challenge myself to try something new (I'd get pretty bored if I didn't), but I'm not about to alienate my customers who aren't interested in trying out new styles. That just doesn't make much sense to me, because they will go elsewhere if I don't fill their needs and I know that customer retention is "cheaper" in terms of energy and time than customer acquisition.
I don't mind a change in style, but to completely throw out what they were doing before, that doesn't make sense to me. I don't need 20 designers all doing the same thing. I like variety.
So bird cages are the trend now. I DOUBLE DOG DARE someone to create a layout where they put their kids in the cage.
Come on. You know you want to.
March 6, 2009 5:38 PM
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Well I was working on it, but now it is no fun anymore.....
SSD a well known store? Someone has an inflated ego. I never go there nor have I bought from them.
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So true. There's hardly ever anybody in the SSD store...at least there wasn't when you could see the numbers. I guess it was embarrassing for them because they no longer show the number of customers like the better stores.
I think change of style shows how versatile a designer is.
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I think the same is true of scrappers. If you look at the galleries of some of the DST stars that are in GSO every single day, Their layouts all look the same. There's no journaling or real memories being preserved. I guess that's fine if your ultimate goal is just to create a beautiful layout. But,I want more than that out of my time spent scrapping. I 'try' to create nice layouts that also have some meaning to my real life.
So true. There's hardly ever anybody in the SSD store...at least there wasn't when you could see the numbers. I guess it was embarrassing for them because they no longer show the number of customers like the better stores.
March 8, 2009 7:10 PM
hmm, I hadn't noticed this, but went and checked and you're right!
Well, the thing about the visitor calculator in Zencart is that it is never accurate anyway. You can one person downloading product with a downloader accelerator and it can show that one person as 20 - connection for every link in their downloader. Times that by a 20 or 30 customers and wow, it looks like you are booking.
So, I wouldn't ever consider the store visitor counter to be a temp on the success or failure of a digishop. That is just silly.
That fact that those of you who are dissing SSD knew what store it was shows that it is well known. Whether or not you shop there has nothing to do with how well known it is.
SSD sucks. Yeah, I know what store it is. That doesn't save them from sucking. I'll never purchase anything from them, and they aren't making any money because I happen to recognize their initials.
Anyone have any idea how well DSP is doing with the new 200/300 setup? Are they suddenly gaining new customers now that they have seen the light and added 300ppi?
I don't know if SSD deserves all of this bashing. Did someone here get rejected and is hell bent on dissing them? Pretty funny.
You know what is even funnier?? SSD stopped using Zencart over 2 months ago and there is no way to see how many people are in the store anymore, so not sure how any of you can see that there isn't anyone shopping.....I call BS.
is this the only digismack blog left? cause I'm tired of the unfounded SSD crap and would like to read something else!
and they aren't making any money because I happen to recognize their initials.
March 9, 2009 12:03 AM
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How do you know that they aren't making any money? Just because you don't like them doesn't mean that everyone doesn't like them.
And WHO CARES if they are making money or not? Wouldn't that be for the designers and store owner to worry about? Why would that matter to us as customers? They have decent designer retention (ie designers get there and stay) which probably means they are doing something right!
Miss the point much, 10:11?
I'm not a designer at all, so I'm not some disgrunteld person who was turned down by SSD. I'm just tired of their candy coated crap so I don't shop there. And to clarify, they're not making any money FROM ME because I recognize their initials. Duh.
Can we move on, or will there be a new onslaught of people who feel that it's their duty to defend SSD from people who dare to have a differing opinion?
10:46, I could care less if you like SSD or not.
But this crap about counters and sales is just stupid. I don't care if a store is making money or not. I care if they are producing stuff that I like and matches my scrapping style. I find kits from SSD to work with my style. I'm in the ranks that doesn't care for the fantasy style so that rules out a number of stores for me.
And I don't get what you mean about the candy coated crap? I don't see how they are different from most other store forums?
Can we move on, or will there be a new onslaught of people who feel that it's their duty to defend SSD from people who dare to have a differing opinion?
March 9, 2009 10:46 AM
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You already fueled the fire by replying. I think those who like SSD should be given their space on this blog too.
I am going to be snarky and complain about GSO layouts again. It irks me when I see gorgeous layouts in there and then go view them closeup and see the credits are photo or foto internet or something. Of course these photos are gorgeous and more likely to make it to the GSO. Off my soapbox now.
I don't even bother looking at GSO anymore. It's all fantasy layouts which just isn't my thing. I miss the days when a GSO would be a layout that looked so much like a paper layout that you would want to reach out and touch it! No extractions except for the elements that were much more traditional scrapping supplies.
The GSO for the most part isn't about outstanding LO anymore and should be renamed "Pimp my Friends". They all seem to be looking the same and are no longer about the photo's /memories but about the "kits".There are a few true GSO's but they are few and far between. Regarding stolen photo's I think its ironic that the designers include anti-piracy lingo in their TOU but it only applies to them and not professional photographers. The onus should be on the designers to reel in their CTM's and stop them from using copyrighted photo's to market their kits. Even some stock photo's that are ok to use for personal use, usually forbid the use of their photo for marketing which is what a CT LO is. There is always the excuse that they don't understand, there is a language barrier but it never seems to in effect for those free kit give aways or the CT calls,lol.
If your looking for a beautiful traditional scrapping LO's go peruse the gallery at Designer Digitals. Its my favorite gallery to just go an browse through.
I miss the days when a GSO would be a layout that looked so much like a paper layout that you would want to reach out and touch it!
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I understand what you are saying, but I like a lot of the layouts that are coming out now, where people are exploring the creativity that digital can give you. I still like the pages that look like paper too, I think there's room for both.
f your looking for a beautiful traditional scrapping LO's go peruse the gallery at Designer Digitals. Its my favorite gallery to just go an browse through.
March 9, 2009 4:12 PM
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I don't like them, they leave a bad taste in my mouth. I'm sure the gallery is nice, but I just avoid the whole site.
So the DD mystery is DesignerDigitals?
I understand what you are saying, but I like a lot of the layouts that are coming out now, where people are exploring the creativity that digital can give you. I still like the pages that look like paper too, I think there's room for both.
March 9, 2009 4:54 PM
BUT GSO isn't including both any more. And it makes the more traditional digital scrapper lost in the shuffle of the fantasy layouts. They are rarely featured in the GSO and I think it's because they just don't fit the crowd participating in GSOs.
I think the abundance of fantasty layouts is partly due to the fact that people are just surfing the web for their pictures.
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ITA. I appreciate these fantasy layouts, I do. They are very beautiful. However, it would be nice to see some other type of layouts, ones that can help inspire me for my own layouts.
I don't even bother looking at GSO anymore. It's all fantasy layouts which just isn't my thing.
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I wonder if you've looked at it lately? For a long time it was all fantasy layouts, and I stopped looking at it until just a couple of weeks ago, but now I'm seeing a lot more variety. I've found some good inspiration there in the past few weeks. There are still fantasy layouts, but not nearly as many as there used to be.
Why not post your own GSO page then? I don't understand the complaints. It's not that hard to post your own page, that you think deserves to be there.
OK. The TaylorMade Unscripted work art looks exactly like the word art Ali Edwards has been putting out. They even have very similar handwriting. Not cool.
It does not look exactly the same. If you are going to point pirate fingers, dozens of designers are doing similar word art.
TaylorMade had word art like that ages ago, which you would have seen if you had bothered to go through her store. Sheesh.
Besides, let's not forget the number of times that Katie has copied another designer.
@@ 11:08. Grow up.
@@ 11:08. Grow up.
March 10, 2009 5:27 AM
TaylorMade had word art like that ages ago, which you would have seen if you had bothered to go through her store. Sheesh.
Besides, let's not forget the number of times that Katie has copied another designer.
March 10, 2009 1:58 AM
Exactly. 11:08 go make something else up because that's just stupid.
11:08 go chase someone else with your binder. Taylormade has much better handwriting. 0^0
Did I miss something? What is the background story on all of this 11:08 is trying to stir up?
So what is the scoop with DD? They seem very closed to anyone outside of DD, like you can't join their contests if you're a designer of any sort. What if you just like their products and want to do a guest CT gig. It is their store so whatever.
What is DonnaK (known pirate) trying to do by selling 200ppi junk. Oh, Donna, it's ppi not dpi :P
http://designers-cu.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=19_20&products_id=100
Oh, anon, please do explain the HUGE difference between dpi and ppi.
Which DD are you referring to 4:50? Designer Digitals, Divine Digital, or something else?
DesignerDigitals. I don't shop at Divine so I am not familiar with them. Plus I think it's been clarified that the mystery designer unhappy at DD is from DesignerDigitals.
okay, so this is actually posted on the scrapsmack blog, check out this stamp set http://static.zoovy.com/img/kraftyatkrafts/-/I/iq_50347_sf_quotopia.jpg
and then check out this kit http://www.wearestorytellers.net/boutique/product.php?productid=17002&cat=0&page=1
So maybe she actually had permission to use that stamp to sell in her digital kit? Just asking, do ya think?
So maybe she actually had permission to use that stamp to sell in her digital kit? Just asking, do ya think?
March 10, 2009 6:44 PM
Or if you buy the stamp set are you then free to do whatever you want with it?
What is the link to the scrapsmack blog
What company sells those stamps?
http://scrapsmack.blogspot.com/ for the scrapsmack blog
and it looks like the stamps are by inque boutique
I didn't know that Designer Digitals had guest designers? That must show how often I shop there!
Plus I think it's been clarified that the mystery designer unhappy at DD is from DesignerDigitals.
March 10, 2009 5:12 PM
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No, it was never clarified.
So maybe she actually had permission to use that stamp to sell in her digital kit? Just asking, do ya think?
March 10, 2009 6:44 PM
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Those stamps are Audrey's work in the first place and she may have retained the rights to use them.
5:08 what are you the owner of Divine and have a complex?
Those stamps are Audrey's work in the first place and she may have retained the rights to use them.
March 10, 2009 10:08 PM
I was hoping it was something like that.
I am so sick of CU products.
Are there more CU releases than kit releases now? Too many CU Grab Bags too. Talk about destroying the market.
No, you can't buy stamps and reproduce them digitally. She could have designed the stamps for the stamp company. She does tend to scan a lot though.
I was just thinking of fantasy layouts, and how if you're going to use a photo from the internet (a child you don't know), shouldn't the layout be posted at a place like DeviantArt.com instead? It seems like that would be more appropriate.
I am so sick of CU products.
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Don't buy them. Problem solved.
Well that is a bit snarky. I prefer going to my favorite stores and seeing kits not CU after CU. What is your problem?
Are there more CU releases than kit releases now? Too many CU Grab Bags too. Talk about destroying the market.
March 11, 2009 5:26 PM
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I agree with you and I'm a CU designer. I've been for a long time. I'm a little bit pissed off that all the big names are starting to make CU (I know, it's called competition). They make the same product as I, but because they are well known, people will buy from them. I'm loosing customers, I can see it in my sales. When I started, the market wasn't flooded with CU in every single store.
I was just thinking of fantasy layouts, and how if you're going to use a photo from the internet (a child you don't know), shouldn't the layout be posted at a place like DeviantArt.com instead? It seems like that would be more appropriate.
March 11, 2009 8:29 PM
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Have you actually been there or you just going by rumors? There are a lot of very talented people at Deviant Art who wouldn't dream of stealing someone else's things.
Well that is a bit snarky. I prefer going to my favorite stores and seeing kits not CU after CU. What is your problem?
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Not snarky, just replying to a moot comment. You complaining of seeing CU products is like me saying I am so sick of blogs and hearing the word "twitter." Makes me feel better but it's a pretty useless comment.
I agree with you and I'm a CU designer. I've been for a long time. I'm a little bit pissed off that all the big names are starting to make CU (I know, it's called competition). They make the same product as I, but because they are well known, people will buy from them. I'm loosing customers, I can see it in my sales. When I started, the market wasn't flooded with CU in every single store.
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It's no different than any other market. There's more than one maker of shoes, mayonaise, televisions, carpets, telephones, curtains, chairs, paper scrapbooking products....etcetera. How is making digital CU items any different? To lift up out of the flood, you need to get an edge and stand out.
Two things about the people now making CU items who weren't before.
First, I personally won't buy CU items from anybody I don't know (ie that have been around a long time, have a pristine reputation - never been busted for anything), and who make great retail stuff under their own name. OR, I have been personally recommended by someone who fits the above description and that I know of old.
Too many people selling CU now who not only have no track record (and therefore don't fully understand what designers actually need in terms of quality and usefulness) but also have only a rudimentary idea about copyright. Endless Dreamstime and Shutterstock pics in 'CU OK' extraction packs, for example. I don't want to waste my money on pixelated, pirated crap. So I stay away from people I don't personally know to be top notch in the CU field.
The other type are the 'big names' who only 18 months or so ago were throwing mud in the DCR about how people who use CU aren't real designers and shouldn't be in the DCR. Some of these same people are now making an obviously substantial part of their income from selling CU to the very same people they were dissing before CU became the cash cow in digiscrap.
I don't buy from hypocrits, so I steer clear of them too.
That's all.
Not snarky, just replying to a moot comment. You complaining of seeing CU products is like me saying I am so sick of blogs and hearing the word "twitter." Makes me feel better but it's a pretty useless comment.
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Wow. I AM SO SICK OF CU I AM SO SICK OF CU. Childish, probably. I don't care how moot my comment. I AM SO SICK OF CU. Oh yeah, I AM SO SICK OF LOOKING AT BABIES HANGING FROM HEAVEN LAYOUTS. And yes, it makes me feel better. I'm glad you care so much to respond though.
Have you actually been there or you just going by rumors? There are a lot of very talented people at Deviant Art who wouldn't dream of stealing someone else's things.
March 12, 2009 3:48 AM
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No. I am a member there. The question is: Are they creating just for the art aspect of it? Or are they creating to preserve memories? Just something to ponder- Where it really belongs.
No. I am a member there. The question is: Are they creating just for the art aspect of it? Or are they creating to preserve memories? Just something to ponder- Where it really belongs.
March 12, 2009 7:12 PM
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Ok. I create for both reasons, art and memory, but I have to admit, it's more art than memory. I hate doing the journaling and I'm thinking, without journaling, it's just a photo prettied up. It needs the journaling to be a memory. I sometimes journal. Not really sure what I scrap. I just like it.
Ok. I create for both reasons, art and memory, but I have to admit, it's more art than memory. I hate doing the journaling and I'm thinking, without journaling, it's just a photo prettied up. It needs the journaling to be a memory. I sometimes journal. Not really sure what I scrap. I just like it.
March 12, 2009 7:24 PM
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But those are your personal photos? Sometimes photos themselves are worth a thousand words... The "prettied up" photo must mean something to you- and you're scrapping that memory. I wouldn't belittle what you're doing.
Meanwhile, some of these "fantasy scrappers" are taking images of children off of the internet and making some wild art. Does that belong on a digital scrapbooking site? Or does it belong on a graphic arts site? You get comments on either site... Maybe they just like the medium? IDK
I don't get using stock photos all the time. I have sometimes used a stock photo, but I asked permission first. As people have said in the past, a good photo goes a long way to a good LO. The times I've played the Praise Game at DST, when I see they've used a stock photo, I skip right past the LO. I also skip past it if they already have 2 pages of praise. I try and find the player that only has a few comments.
I do scrap my own photos and sometimes I don't scrap any photos, but I still scrap.
Verification word: wantabe - how funny
Meanwhile, some of these "fantasy scrappers" are taking images of children off of the internet and making some wild art. Does that belong on a digital scrapbooking site? Or does it belong on a graphic arts site? You get comments on either site... Maybe they just like the medium? IDK
March 12, 2009 8:24 PM
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I totally understand what you mean and I agree. But we have to keep in mind that posting a LO on DST is a mean of promotion. I think there are plenty of others galleries where any kind of LOs (like the ones where you scrap your pets!) are well received. I stopped posting my personal LOs a while ago. I don't see the point of showing my memories to everyone to see as I don't need their comments to keep me scrapping.
Not everyone who posts on DST does it as a mean of promotion. Some of us do not have other sites that we frequent. There are a good number that do it for promotional purposes or praise. I find it very annoying to see photo from internet in the credits. If I post a beautiful picture of my child and say post it on my blog, no one has the right to use it just because it is off the internet.
Some of these same people are now making an obviously substantial part of their income from selling CU to the very same people they were dissing before CU became the cash cow in digiscrap.
I don't buy from hypocrits, so I steer clear of them too.
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I don't want to buy from them either. So for those of us not in the DCR, please share....who are they?
March 13, 2009 3:41 PM
Amanda Rockwell, Grace Bennett, Tracy Rennemo...
grace bennette has a store still? Who is tracy? It sounds like someone has a grudge..
Somehow I knew one of those CU hypocrites was going to be Amanda Rockwell.
All she does these days is spit that stuff out. I have no idea why SA took her on in the first place, and now she just constantly clogs up their new products pages with that crap.
Where does Grace Bennett sell? I haven't seen her stuff in ages, but if all she's doing is cranking out the CU, I'm not going to bother checking her stuff out.
Isn't Tracey Rennemo, the Haley from the DST hot topics section?
ITA, no idea, and Yes.
"I have no idea why SA took her on in the first place"
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They "took her on" because she is one of the most talented designers out there.
They "took her on" because she is one of the most talented designers out there.
March 13, 2009 9:36 PM
I'm not sure what's funnier-you thinking you speak for ScrapArtist or your belief that's she's all that.
I really don't see an issue with commercial use items. I do use CU items when I am working on something, get an idea in my head and can't seem to come up with my own item or I happen to know someone has one somewhere I can use. I don't buy CU just because it's CU, I really don't have anyone I consistenly buy from and I certainly don't pay attention to who's selling what. When I need something specific, I use the handy little search function in stores or I use google and if I can find it, great. Now, if I get that something and it's crap, I will make a note not to buy from that person again. I certainly don't pay attention to who's who and how long they've been selling. I think I'd get a brain cramp just from attempting to keep track. I do my own thing and I don't get headaches. All the attitude about it doesn't make any sense to me. Who gives a crap who's selling what, anyway? The fact that some of you can remember what designer said what months ago is disturbing and makes me wonder if you shouldn't just shut down your computer for a while and stay away from ANY online digital scrapbooking community. I come here for the entertainment value but you'll never see my name on any public message board anywhere or any of my layouts in any gallery.
I shop digital scrapbook stores (cu or other) like I shop any other retail stores both online and off. If I have a need for something, whoever has what I'm looking for at the best price gets my dollars. My best advice is just to do your own thing, stop worrying about what everyone else is doing and you'll feel so much better.
i thought so, also. I posted earlier that it sounds like someone is holding a grudge and i still stand by that comment. this is a little too personal.
^^Thank you, paranoia squad.
Moving on, has anyone checked out Cinzia Loosemoore's store since she moved to Sunshine Studio? I was browsing through the DST coupons, and followed the link to her store-wow, her prices seem high. $12 for a full kit, and $5.99 for paper packs? It almost seems like she doubled her prices while the 50% coupon is in effect.
Ooh hush your cynical mouth...
I doubt that many will fall for that.
What a bunch of vile, crazed women with absolutely no lives. It must suck to be you!!!! LOL
Somehow I knew one of those CU hypocrites was going to be Amanda Rockwell.
All she does these days is spit that stuff out. I have no idea why SA took her on in the first place, and now she just constantly clogs up their new products pages with that crap.
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I agree. And what's with her "No TOU'' policy? She just thinks she's above us all. She has big ego and attitude.
Oh I know, check this out! It's retarded.
http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh
She has big ego and attitude.
March 14, 2009 2:42 PM
True dat.
oh yeah she is just a horrible evil person. she has done nothing but mean and hateful things to everyone in this community. i say we all just say the meanest things we can about her because she deserves it. she kicked my puppy. what did she do to all of you?
I don't even really get Scrap Artist. Why are they so big? There's very little there I'd ever want.
you forgot "stole my boyfriend".
What about "stole my baby daddy".
I don't even really get Scrap Artist. Why are they so big? There's very little there I'd ever want.
March 14, 2009 3:46 PM
Just because you don't want it doesn't mean that other people don't like it.
Amanda Rockwell is one of the nicest digi people that I know. You can't even come up with something more specific than her posting in a thread from a couple years ago. So what? she moved into commercial use? She also teaches designers how to design. OMG! Like you have never said something and then changed your mind.
I think you are full of crap and can't stand to see someone succeed.
agree. And what's with her "No TOU'' policy? She just thinks she's above us all. She has big ego and attitude.
March 14, 2009 2:42 PM
wtf? are you for real? she does it differently than everyone else and that makes you think she has a big ego. You must not have matured past the age of 12.
it's on the product page of the item you are purchasing. I'd rather have it spelled out in the product description than to download the product and be surprised at the terms.
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