Digital Scrap Cafe is a joke. They've had a designer call going on for 3-4 months now along with a CT call. They don't respond to follow-ups at all and haven't even bothered to send out notices of accept/declines to everyone. I saw in their forum many people asking the status of their applications after 2 months and their response was "it's taking time to go through them all."
Give me a break. Even SSD decided their new CT in about 2 weeks. DSC is disorganized and run unprofessionally. Perfect match for Happy Tits.
was going to say the same about Krisi's Kreations, I don't do hybrid either as I am scissor and glue inept but I know hybrid is big at the moment and SO doesn't have any hybrid designers. I just looked at the store and it does say guest by their names, maybe they are guesting on a trial basis and will stay if it is mutually beneficial to all parties?
At DST her new name is alyangel. Just check the old thread in the Scrap Talk where she had posted. http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=279383&highlight=studio+demo&page=2
Why am I not surprised that people are now sharing their thoughts on the new Blog swatches. ROFL so typical it was almost a given that everyone would dislike them. I'm sure there will be plenty to say about the blah kits done with the blah swatch. Gosh no one can have any fun anymore can they. All ways a scrooge or 2 or 3 in the crowd. -------------
Always a Scrooge, dear, not all ways. No one is stopping you or anyone else from having fun, what the heck are you talking about?
Yes, we are talking about the swatches but, OMG, so are the people on the FB page and we are talking about it in pretty much the same way.
So typical for someone like you to come out and just turn everything into a negative.
I don't think that anyone was trying to convince you not to participate. People were just having a (rather civil) discussion about which palette they liked, and which one could be better used. There wasn't any name calling, or bashing, or (gasp!) threatening for you, personally-you, to stop participating. Although due to your foul attitude, I think it would be nice if you bowed out and spared us your negativity.
Likewise, I could also create something wonderful with the first palette and it wouldn't have to be holiday-themed. The fact that so many of you saw that first palette and could only think of a holiday theme is laughable. Just because the palette/swatch said Holiday Traditions doesn't mean a designer has to go that route.
^^^^ Um, no. The last couple of months there specifically WAS NO THEME and that's why you saw some out of the box minis. This month there is a theme ... so ya, designers are expected to go that route. What's laughable here is how totally clueless you are.
so are you including Krisi's Kreations as one of the "better designers" at SM?
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Why wouldn't I be. As a hybrid designer she is great. Fun and useful templates and atleast she still releases things unlike other hybrid designers out there.
I know there's been lots of speculation about whether or not Alyssa had made her return to the digital scrapbooking world. Here's a part of her introduction at (at least one of) her new store: -------
Hmm, I can't see this introduction the public forum so I'm safely assuming it's in the designer and/or CT forum. Interesting.
Um, no. The last couple of months there specifically WAS NO THEME and that's why you saw some out of the box minis. This month there is a theme ... so ya, designers are expected to go that route. What's laughable here is how totally clueless you are.
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No, what's laughable is how clueless YOU are. Just because the swatch says "Holiday Traditions" "New Year Traditions" and "Family Traditions" doesn't mean that a designer with a brain and an ounce of creativity couldn't create something that's not cliche and overdone. But apparently when you look at that swatch and those words, all you can see is cliche and overdone. So sorry for you.
No, what's laughable is how clueless YOU are. Just because the swatch says "Holiday Traditions" "New Year Traditions" and "Family Traditions" doesn't mean that a designer with a brain and an ounce of creativity couldn't create something that's not cliche and overdone. But apparently when you look at that swatch and those words, all you can see is cliche and overdone. So sorry for you. October 28, 2011 6:21 AM
Then why bother having a theme if you encourage people to NOT follow it? Makes no sense.
OMG, are you for real? You honestly think that it's NOT possible to make something that follows the spirit of the theme, but isn't cliche? If you're a designer, you should quit immediately. I'm not even the OP you were arguing with, but you've got tunnel vision like I've never seen before. Wow.
The palette is called "Traditions", Trish gave the example of different types of "traditions", so Im pretty sure you DONT have to go just the christmas route. It's pretty sad how closed minded some people are.
You complain when she chooses a theme, you complain when she doesn't choose a theme, you complain when she chooses the swatch, you complain when she lets someone else choose the swatch... the poor gal just cant get a break any way she chooses to go... If you dont like it, dont sign up for it, simple as that.
The palette is called "Traditions", Trish gave the example of different types of "traditions", so Im pretty sure you DONT have to go just the christmas route. It's pretty sad how closed minded some people are.
You complain when she chooses a theme, you complain when she doesn't choose a theme, you complain when she chooses the swatch, you complain when she lets someone else choose the swatch... the poor gal just cant get a break any way she chooses to go... If you dont like it, dont sign up for it, simple as that. ---------------
Saying I don't like a swatch is totally OK. It's an OPINION. It's not an attack. If you interpret people telling you they don't like things you like or things you create as an attack, you are gong to go through life very unhappy.
I don't like either swatch. I am disappointed that the popular vote is going towards the more traditional 'done' swatch. I also totally support Trish and everything she does for the train. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Saying I don't like a swatch is totally OK. It's an OPINION. It's not an attack. If you interpret people telling you they don't like things you like or things you create as an attack, you are gong to go through life very unhappy.
I don't like either swatch. I am disappointed that the popular vote is going towards the more traditional 'done' swatch. I also totally support Trish and everything she does for the train. The two are not mutually exclusive. ------
Agree 100% but some people just have tunnel vision.
You complain when she chooses a theme, you complain when she doesn't choose a theme, you complain when she chooses the swatch, you complain when she lets someone else choose the swatch... the poor gal just cant get a break any way she chooses to go... If you dont like it, dont sign up for it, simple as that. -----
Please, I hate to say it, grow up a little bit. Okay? Thanks.
doesn't mean that a designer with a brain and an ounce of creativity couldn't create something that's not cliche and overdone ----
or choose something that isn't cliche and overdone, like that palette. Any designer with an ounce of creativity could create something wonderful with the other palette.
why? If you don't like it, don't shop there. It's not like it's impacting on you personal everyday and if it is, and it's annoying you, then you're doing something wrong.
Wanna bet the person who said they would be thrilled if 9th closed is Alyssa? She was outed for all her wrong doing when she started emailing them demented rants.
or choose something that isn't cliche and overdone, like that palette. Any designer with an ounce of creativity could create something wonderful with the other palette.
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any designer w/ an ounce of creativity could create anything. that doesn't change the fact that I think the 2nd palette resembles cat barf. I don't happen to like those colors. this doesn't make me a bad person, nor does it mean that I lack creativity. I simply hate palette 2. I can hate a certain color scheme, and still possess creativity, despite the fact that I happen to disagree w/ you about an issue of opinion over color. to quote someone from just above me... the two things are not mutually exclusive. jesus christ.
(1) No chance 9th is closing. I think someone (ahem ahem) on this blog has it out for 9th, and thought it would be fun to start a rumor about it and stir up trouble, given their PayPal gateway issue this week. And yes, anonymous stranger, we all DO notice all of your negative ranty-panty postings about 9th tonight. Really??? Their closing would be the happiest day of your life? You have a lot of living to do, then...
(2) In other news, wow, SM definitely is dead. They only have 7 new releases this week. S-E-V-E-N. They almost should have just shut down that category this week. Ouch.
God. You'd think she'd give it up and go away already! Wouldn't most people be embarrassed to keep re-appearing all over the place trying to reinvent themselves? Takes some sack to keep doing that. Does she think she'll miraculously develop a fan base over and over (as if she ever had one)? Reminds me of the "Queen" thinking her snotty attitude isn't going to precede her.
Dear friends, as many of you are aware, today we at 9th&Bloom encountered a problem processing our Paypal payments. I contacted Paypal to sort out the discrepancy and discovered that unbeknowst to me and to our amazing designers, the shop and its paypal account were not set up as they should be. The shop never acquired its own Taxpayer Identification Number from the Internal Revenue Service. Since having such a number is a requirement for the Paypal account that the shop uses, Paypal has frozen our account and we are unable to process payments. Prior to this point in time all of our Paypal interactions were handled by another owner who failed to inform me of any issues regarding the account.
Because we cannot operate as a shop without a Paypal account, we must say goodbye to 9th&Bloom; however, as always our amazing staff of creative people, layout artists and designers alike are united and hard at work to reopen a new store with the same wonderful buzz of community and creativity. We look forward to our new adventure with a great sense of renewal and anticipation and hope that you will continue to be a part of our amazing community.
God. You'd think she'd give it up and go away already! Wouldn't most people be embarrassed to keep re-appearing all over the place trying to reinvent themselves? Takes some sack to keep doing that. Does she think she'll miraculously develop a fan base over and over (as if she ever had one)? Reminds me of the "Queen" thinking her snotty attitude isn't going to precede her.
October 28, 2011 9:09 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...
^^^^^ Would this be Alyssa? I thought of her more as the village idiot rather than a queen.LOL.
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Naw. Cluster Queen Creations or whatever she's called.
^^^ um, don't just post something like that and fail to cite it. where'd that come from? I checked their forum and their facebook page and there's nothing like that anywhere.
WTH does anything revolving around Alyssa / Happy Tits have to do with Cluster Queen Creations? I don't see the connection there AT ALL. I doubt they even know each other.
It's not up to the shop to file designers taxes. Unless the store owners themselves need a tax number for when they file it as income. 9th and Bloom has been around for over a year so wouldn't this issue have popped up before now. So that just doesn't make sense to me.
Sounds like a shop trying to run without paying taxes and they got caught. Let's see who blames who... but if you are a CO-OWNER, you should know everything about what is happening in YOUR business. Period. That's what the CO means. What a bunch of idiots.
I would like to know where the closing "quote" came from. It's not in their forum, on the store page or on their facebook.
This is the last thing posted on the 9&B FB. "So sorry for the delay in the shop, Bloomies. We will hopefully be able to have the paypal part of the shop up and running, soon! We will keep you updated." 12 hours ago
Thanks for the link JDA. I think it's really strange that the designers are posting it before they posted in the forum and on the store page....
Sounds like Holly really dropped the screwed up. I know some here have problems with Lizzy, but I like her and feel sorry for her having to pick up the pieces.
I'm 11:16 and realize I typoed. I started to say dropped the ball and changed my mind but my fingers didn't get the message apparently. It's more than her dropping the ball, it's not having enough business sense to be running a store. A big screw up.
Then why insult us with partial truth? As if we are going to believe that crap. I've been a ta store that had a split in ownership and had an issue getting paypal sorted ... and that store is still around and none of the public ever knew about it. What total bullshit. Oh well, I will know to not support whatever future projects Lizzy undertakes.
any designer w/ an ounce of creativity could create anything. that doesn't change the fact that I think the 2nd palette resembles cat barf. I don't happen to like those colors. this doesn't make me a bad person, nor does it mean that I lack creativity. I simply hate palette 2. I can hate a certain color scheme, and still possess creativity, despite the fact that I happen to disagree w/ you about an issue of opinion over color. to quote someone from just above me... the two things are not mutually exclusive. jesus christ.
Everyone is answerable to me when they are trying to get me to spend money in their store and use my network to share their sales and challenges with my friends and family.
I get to decide how I respond to people in future based on how they behave. We all do.
I'd rather be told nothing at all than be told a half truth that's so unbelievable it insults my intelligence.
Sounds like Holly really dropped the screwed up. I know some here have problems with Lizzy, but I like her and feel sorry for her having to pick up the pieces. ------
Really? I don't feel sorry for anyone who feels the need to blame someone else when they messed up. They are co-owners and both have the responsibility of the store, to blame the other owner is just lame.
I admit I'm not a fan of Lizzy, but she doesn't deserve this. Neither do all the designers. ----
Yes she does. She is also an owner, she had all the benefits of an owner for the last 12 months and now it's all - oh sorry, I didn't know - what a bunch of baloney! She was damn willing to take the money coming in but not she's not willing to take the consequences of screwing up. What a hypocrite.
holly has personal stuff going on so that is why she hasn't been around. 9th & Bloom doesn't have the drama the OP is talking about. seems someone is full of drama themselves. don't be hatin' just because you weren't turned down to be a designer there.
October 18, 2011 2:05 PM ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hopefully someday we will get the full story on this one, because there's definitely more to this than they've let on so far.
I can't believe that this happened, of all the times it could have happened, the week before one of the biggest digi-shopping weekends of the year. What an effin' mess for all of those designers.
Everyone is answerable to me when they are trying to get me to spend money in their store and use my network to share their sales and challenges with my friends and family.
I get to decide how I respond to people in future based on how they behave. We all do.
I'd rather be told nothing at all than be told a half truth that's so unbelievable it insults my intelligence. October 29, 2011 1:48 AM
OMG you have an inflated sense of self-worth - you think anyone cares what a bunch of illiterate bitches think on some half-arsed smack blog created solely for the purpose of bringing down any and all designers who give the industry a go? It's real paying customers who count, and I'd bet my bottom dollar that none of you scanks ever pay for anything any more, you just leech the life out of freebies and then come on here and complain about quality! Fuck me, you're too funny!
I feel really bad for the designers. There have been a lot of recent moves there - and with 9&B being an exclusive store there are a lot of hard working and now homeless designers.
^^^^^ exactly. Lots of designers have just moved there, or are just about to move there, and this happens? Stinks that the real story is not being told. For a store to close, the owners must have known more before now. Maybe its an attention grab just before DSD - perfect (unethical) marketing ploy.
I think Paypal is the bad guy here, they shut down your account without any notice for the stupidest reasons.
I dared to use my paypal account to contribute to a charity. My account was a business account because I used to use it as such, but no longer did so and apparently despite my entirely honest intentions and despite the fact the money had ALREADY GONE to the charity, Paypal shut down my account without any warning and I could no longer access my paypal funds. I had to provide them with ID after having had the account for probably 7 or 8 years, and had to provide proof that I was authorized to contribute to the charity.
I provided the information they required within two days, including the time taken to get the charity to write the letter stating I was authorized, and STILL they held my account to ransom for well over a month.
I suspect they would have reacted in a similar way with 9th and Blooms account, their business practices are atrocious. There is no reason why they couldn't give the account holder a specific amount of time to produce the needed information before closing the account.
I was not even allowed to withdraw my OWN money from the account. I fail to understand how this could possibly be legal.
I had done absolutely nothing wrong, they just decided that they needed more information and held my account to ransom as if I was a criminal.
Nope, sorry. I hear what you're saying, but I still don't think the entire story is that Paypal shut down their account and that's it. There's more. In part, because if that were really the case, they wouldn't have to close the store. It's possible to process credit card payments on a site, instead of relying solely on Paypal. Other digi sites do this. Most shops don't go this route b/c it's a bit of a PITA and it's slightly more costly, but answer me this... if you were in Lizzy's situation, and IF Paypal really shut down your account, wouldn't you invest in the upgrade to credit card processing? The week before DSD? Yes, yes you would. The fact that the store is closing so suddenly just reeks of something more going on.
What in the world is going on at 9th? Why have some of the designers' shops disappeared, but the rest are still up and seemingly open for business? If what they say is happening is really happening, why wouldn't there be a big notice up on the front page of the shop? Or at least a post in the forum? This is the most bizarre thing I've seen in a while.
Technically, the shop is only owned by Holly. Lizzy is an admin/manager, not having access to the shop's paypal account. So, for it to be able to process paypal payments, or upgrade to being able to process credit card payments like you say, well then Holly would need to be the one to step in it seems.
I think the whole thing is nuts. Is it not even possible for them to start a new/proper account? Not that people would be pleased about losing pay - plus it's the end of the month. I don't know if they pay bi-weekly or monthly but either way - it's an ouch for payroll
It's not up to the shop to file designers taxes. Unless the store owners themselves need a tax number for when they file it as income. 9th and Bloom has been around for over a year so wouldn't this issue have popped up before now. So that just doesn't make sense to me.
Businesses in the US are required to have a tax number. Since the store are required to file their own business tax returns then yeah they needed a Tax ID#. Individuals designing as a business are required to file their taxes if they make over $600 a year. One has to then show a profit for a least one in three years of designing. If you never show a profit the IRS will consider you a hobbyist. Individual designers don't necessarily need a tax number depending how they file their taxes. Usually a SSN is good enough. I'm sure that PayPal eventually figured it out that 9th didn't have a tax ID and put the hold on their account. PayPal as a business must also follow the law. It is possible when buying a business, if you don't know the law, you could get screwed. Obviously whoever owns 9th now is screwed. So they are now just going to open another store? What happens to the money in that PayPal Account that belongs to the designers?? I think I'd not be in any hurry to rush and join the new store if I hadn't gotten paid and in the end it was the store owner's business to know they needed a Tax ID!
What I heard is that paypal had attempted to reach the store owner several times already. But she didn't respond or get the required tax id number they needed from her. And I think that when or if a new store gets started, said store owner wouldn't be part of it. Between this and SM closing, it looks like lots of designers are going to be looking for new homes. Any speculation about where some might end up?
Businesses in the US are required to have a tax number. Since the store are required to file their own business tax returns then yeah they needed a Tax ID#.
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While most of what you said is pretty accurate and has merit, this part isn't totally true. Businesses in the US are actually required to have a federal ID number of some sort when they file taxes. This can take the form of a SS # (if the business is a sole proprietorship) or an EIN # (if the business is a partnership). So it's entirely possible that someone could run a business and hold a Paypal business account and be using their SS# as the ID, as opposed to an actual EIN#.
Either way, the part that makes no sense to me is this - aren't 9th's owners based outside of the US?
And furthermore, Paypal is an international company with customers/clients scattered all over the globe. Their policies are not (and should not) be based on US tax regulations alone.
This is why I'd agree that there is WAAAAY more to this story than meets the eye. No chance is this just a simple "we didn't have a tax ID on the account" issue. No. Chance.
How is there more to it? If paypal shuts you down, they shut you down. The only person who can fix it is the person who's name is on the account. If that person is MIA and refuses to respond or take care of anything, well then there's not a whole lot that can be done is there? The people there can't just open a new account for it. It's a business already owned by someone else. If she's not going to take care of it, what choice do they have except to try and move on?
Lizzy is at fault for not being more involved on the business side of things. From what I know Lizzy is not an owner, she is more an admin. Holly is the sole owner of 9th&Bloom.
How would Lizzy be responsible for that? If her name's not on the account? How can she get Holly's email from paypal to even know there's an issue until it's too late? You can't fix something that's out of your hands.
Regardless, this whole thing is ridiculous. Is Holly always MIA? If so, Lizzy should have been proactively trying to figure out how to get more control over the business issues like Paypal. If not, and Holly has been accessible and responsible all the time, then WTF is going on right now? Obviously there's either an extreme circumstance right now, or else everyone (Lizzy, designers, etc.) have been turning a blind eye to an already-existing problem... and now it's biting their asses. No matter what happens, if the designers have contracts in writing, then Holly (or whoever's paypal account was used) is liable for the money owed to those designers.
God. You'd think she'd give it up and go away already! Wouldn't most people be embarrassed to keep re-appearing all over the place trying to reinvent themselves? Takes some sack to keep doing that. Does she think she'll miraculously develop a fan base over and over (as if she ever had one)? Reminds me of the "Queen" thinking her snotty attitude isn't going to precede her. ------------------------------------------------------- October 28, 2011 9:09 PM Anonymous Anonymous said... -------------------------------------------------------- ^^^^^ Would this be Alyssa? I thought of her more as the village idiot rather than a queen.LOL. Naw. Cluster Queen Creations or whatever she's called. --------------------------------------------------------Not quite sure how the hell this turned into Cluster Queen Creations but you know, it is nice to get facts straight before slandering people. Alyssa/Happy Tits is not Cluster Queen Creations, her name is Melissa, and as a new designer I am pretty certain she has not "reinvented" herself.
Cluster Queen Creations is Melissa (aka profiler_mar) and she is a fantastic cluster template designer over at the Digi Chick. I'd guess she doesn't even know who Alyssa is. How can you guys be so dumb? Speculation gets you nowhere.
Holly hasn't been active at 9th for a long time, probably about 2 months after the shop opened. She was having some personal issues with her family and then a recent death in the family. It's very sad, but no excuse to just walk away from your responsibilities. I suppose Lizzy called herself 'co-owner' in the beginning when it was good and now that things are in the shitter she wants to make it known that she is not actually a co-owner. lol Sounds like some of the designers are going to try to stay together (some are walking away) maybe a knew store with a similar name?
Even if they were, and always have been "co-owners" in name, it's possible that Holly was the only owner on paper. If that's the case, Lizzy can't just go in and start changing Paypal and tax info and whatnot. Sounds like she trusted Holly had everything done the right way, and got burned.
Interesting. This was just posted on 9th and Bloom's FB page (by 9th and Bloom)
Hi Tiffany Lena Husted, if you would like information on the status of the shop, please email the owner, Holly Griego at h_griego@comcast.net or holly@ninthandbloom.com.
--- My guess is that something bigger happened, and since Holly's name is on the domain, Lizzy doesn't have a leg to stand on. If Holly purchase all the software, again in her name, Lizzy technically owns nothing. I'm sure she could take Holly to court, but that takes time.
I am confused. Now SM is not closing? http://scrapmatters.com/forums/showthread.php?p=402029#post402029 ___________________________________
I don't have any insider info or anything, but I did notice that they keep specifically saying SM isn't closing today. That doesn't mean it's not closing soon, it just means that it's not closing today.
I think it is really funny how up until now Lizzy has referred to herself as a CO-OWNER. Her siggy line at DST said co-owner. But now that things have hit the fan, she is suddenly NOT a co-owner but just an admin/manager in Holly's absence. She has been in charge since day one. LOL. She is trying to cover her own ass because the designers can't get paid for this month.
The fact is that most of these stores could go under at any time without notice, even the ones that have been around forever. It all starts with a store owner having "personal problems" and then the store comes tumbling down.
If I were selling at a store where the actual legal owner was MIA I'd just start packing up my things and looking for a new store right then. It's way too easy for these owners to walk away from their online stores with absolutely no repercussions in their real life, their own family wouldn't even know that they left dozens of other people high and dry - so it seems as though they just do it.
If these designers would have wised up and walked out when Holly went missing at the beginning, the store would have naturally closed on its own when all their sellers walked out. But everyone wants their money, and they stay even when it doesn't make good business sense.
Lizzy Reiber here with a short message about my resignation from 9th&B. It is with great sadness that recent events have lead me to resign from my position of Admin/Manager of 9th&B. Up til now I have been Admin/Manager in Holly's absence trying to preserve what we have at 9th&B.
If you have any questions about the status of 9th&B, please direct them to the legal owner, Holly Griego. Her emails are: h_griego@comcast.net and holly@ninthandbloom.com.
If you would like to reach me, you can contact me here on facebook or via email: lizzy9801@hotmail.com.
Sincerely, Lizzy Reiber
What total bullshit. What a way to make your self into a rose Lizzy. Bravo.
If Lizzy isn't an owner, she has no control over what happens with Paypal, etc. Her name has to be listed on the acct in order for her to do anything. So no, I don't think she's responsible at all for it, though I think she should have seen this coming, with Holly being MIA for so long.
Of course, there could be way more to the story than they're all willing to tell...
Ok, if that is the case then why was she referring to herself as a co-owner up until this happened with the shop? I like Lizzy alot, I just am confused by all this. Just seems that there is more to tell.
She could have stated she was co-owner because she did most of the work {with Holly being MIA}. Just because she called herself co-owner, doesn't mean she actually had any control over the major stuff.
The funniest part of all of this, to me anyway, is that it's clear Alyssa is still holding a grudge against Lizzy and is virtually stalking the online "discussions" of this whole 9th & Bloom fiasco. I will bet my arms and legs that it's been Alyssa on this blog in the past 24 hours, making comments like "it would be the happiest day of my life", etc. w/ regard to the idea of 9th closing. I also found it to be super humorous to read the post from "With Love Studio" in this thread about 9th at DST:
Alyssa, darlin, let it go. You're just making yourself look ridiculous, and ruining your "new" reputation as "With Love Studio" by reminding the rest of us about your grudge against Lizzy and 9th.
Why would anyone want to sell at a shop with a MIA owner, unless they were led to believe that Lizzy was indeed a co-owner as she told everyone. Co-owner means you have access to everything the other owner does. Lizzy may not be at fault for the Paypal fiasco, but she is at fault for publicly misleading people into believing she had some ownership authority at that site.
I have no doubt many people went to that site because they know Lizzy and trusted her - and as the co-owner she fraudulently claimed herself to be - figured even with Holly MIA, they still had Lizzy to keep the site going.
I think Lizzy is a total moron who should leave this industry in shame. Anyone who stands behind her now is a complete idiot and I don't feel one bit sorry for them. I feel sorry for those who understand what fully happened to them and move on - away from both of those owners.
Legally, Lizzy can be sued for damages just as much as Holly can be - since she had the public persona as being co-owner of the store. So, she can use words like "legal owner" all she wants, she claimed to be co-owner, too.
I'd love to see someone take action against these moronic store owners. Just once.
I can tell you I am not Alyssa and I've made a couple comments about the 9th and Bloom thing (not the "happiest day of my life" comment, though). I think it's news to anyone who is a designer, because it could easily happen to any of us.
So, no, Lizzy. It's not just Alyssa who doesn't think you're hot shit.
Regardless of what they are telling their customers/community, SM is closing and I can't believe they're trying to hide it. Half their design team just got last-minute guest spots at other top shops all around digiland, which is no coincidence. Anyone w/ a brain can deduce what's going on. Andilynn's going to take one last major payday from DSD, and then cut the cord. Why else would at least 4 SM designers show up in Friday's new releases at SO (when they weren't guesting there earlier in October), and also at least 1-2 of them are heading to TDC from what I hear (not yet live in their shop though).
So, no, Lizzy. It's not just Alyssa who doesn't think you're hot shit.
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Nice try, but I'm the one who just wrote that I thought it was funny Alyssa/With Love Studio was stalking the 9th demise online... and I am not Lizzy. Far from it. Just a designer from another store who's watching this from the sidelines (and has an owner who is not an idiot).
Even if she didnt have control she should have still had access...even if all she had was the password to their paypal she would have seen the big notice at the top of their home account telling them they needed to take care of the issue. She could have started trying to work on the process, paypal gives you plenty of notice. Why would Lizzy agree to take on more responsibility without getting all the information she would need as an owner??? She could have been trying to contact Holly over it and if she couldnt get a hold of her she could have warned the designers at the very least.
I think its funny that she was all about being "Co-Owner" from the very start and now she is just throwing Holly under the bus like this. Holly dropped the ball for sure but Lizzy needs to take a bit of responsibility, now she is playing the victim. All these people are posting awww so sorry to you comments - its just ridiculous.
I am co-owner of a small store (legally), we both have access to EVERYTHING. PayPal included. I feel really sorry for the designers if they can't get paid. I imagine 9&B's payroll is at least 10x our store. So sad.
I keep coming back to the post on Cardall's page earlier... where she prefaced Lizzy's note w/ a statement about how 9th & Bloom was the victim of fraud.
Is there any chance that Holly just stole the money and ran, and maybe Lizzy really isn't to blame? I thought the "fraud" comment was odd when I read it early this morning, and I keep wondering if there's more behind this than we know.
I doubt it was that. If so, Lizzy and Holly both have a history of saying so - remember Shabby Pickle? So, if Holly just took the money and ran, I would imagine they would say so. Not try to blame it on an absent owner and Paypal.
They've clearly had no problems bringing new designers into the store as of recently - so Holly can't be too far out of the picture. After all, if she's the only "legal" owner, she's the only one who sends out new designer contracts.
I think there is more to this story, and I agree, it's Lizzy covering her ass.
Knew she'd make this about Stef being the "artist" and the people who use kits being the "crafters". She's so predictable. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is it me or does she bring this whole arts/crafts thing up fairly regularly. I've been trying to give her the benefit of the doubt the the last few months but I just can't anymore. She doesn't use kits...doesn't like kits...and, it would seem, looks down on anyone who does. We've got that. She can really stop harping on it now.
I love seeing how everyone is placing the blame JUST on Holly. Im sorry but Lizzy lost my respect the minute she went from "co-owner" to just a manager when something went wrong.
I love seeing how everyone is placing the blame JUST on Holly. Im sorry but Lizzy lost my respect the minute she went from "co-owner" to just a manager when something went wrong. October 29, 2011 2:34 PM
It seems most of us on this blog are blaming both.
The designers and public are only getting Lizzy's view. Holly just might have something to say about this whole "co-owner" thing and about what happened.
I understand that. But did anyone stop to think that MAYBE Holly is away from the computer right now. Emailing is only one way to contact someone. She may not check her email everday. I, personally, don't always check my email on the weekends. Why hasn't anyone actually tried to call her? People are just assuming Holly is ignoring emails. Noone really knows.
I understand that. But did anyone stop to think that MAYBE Holly is away from the computer right now. Emailing is only one way to contact someone. She may not check her email everday. I, personally, don't always check my email on the weekends. Why hasn't anyone actually tried to call her? People are just assuming Holly is ignoring emails. Noone really knows.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It seems that attempt to contact her have not just been through email but texts and phonecalls as well and she's not responding.
Well, maybe she assumed her "co-owner" has things handled and doesn't know there is chaos yet. I agree as a store owner she needs to check her emails daily. I just hate to see Holly tossed under the bus and Lizzy getting off like a victim. They are BOTH at fault.
That's the way it was with Amanda at Sun. She just quit responding. We were concerned about getting our final payment. October 29, 2011 4:50 PM
Yep - as a designer you shouldn't have to grovel to get paid. She never told us we weren't getting paid at the end of Sept and it took til more than a week after the store closed and several emails to get paid. 6 weeks between pay periods, instead of 2.
Yep - as a designer you shouldn't have to grovel to get paid. She never told us we weren't getting paid at the end of Sept and it took til more than a week after the store closed and several emails to get paid. 6 weeks between pay periods, instead of 2.
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And some wondered why the store failed. #1 reason - poor "management".
I love how everyone on here wants to blame Lizzy. I mean maybe she was responsible. Maybe not. It seems to me the only people who know are her and Holly. And Holly is the one who is not responding to anything. So. I think that speaks for itself, geesh.
Holly hasn't been active at 9th for a long time, probably about 2 months after the shop opened. She was having some personal issues with her family and then a recent death in the family. It's very sad, but no excuse to just walk away from your responsibilities. ------
I agree that this is true and Holly shouldn't have opened up the store or at least closed it or handed it over when she knew she couldn't cope. However, from a designer point of view, if the owner hasn't been seen around for a few months, I'm outta there. I'm smart enough to know that there's going to be trouble.
She doesn't use kits...doesn't like kits...and, it would seem, looks down on anyone who does. We've got that. She can really stop harping on it now. --------
We get that some of you don't like her, you can really stop harping on it now too.
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I'm not seeing her comment, so she must have deleted it. However, no shopping for me with Becca, way to throw Holly under the bus!
Is OK Stef. We know you are the only artiste in town and that we are mere peon craftspeople. We need you to remind us every week via a brand new thread you open to marvel over your own ideas, originality, talent and artistry. What adjective will we add next week?
I love how everyone on here wants to blame Lizzy. I mean maybe she was responsible. Maybe not. It seems to me the only people who know are her and Holly. And Holly is the one who is not responding to anything. So. I think that speaks for itself, geesh. --------
The fact that Lizzy is trying to shove the blame on someone else speaks for itself too.
Is OK Stef. We know you are the only artiste in town and that we are mere peon craftspeople. We need you to remind us every week via a brand new thread you open to marvel over your own ideas, originality, talent and artistry. What adjective will we add next week? -----
If you don't like what she has to say, STOP READING IT!! I really don't understand the mentality of the person who deliberates reads something by someone they don't like, just so they can get upset by it and then smack her.
Because why else would she even start a thread like this if it weren't to prove her point? ------
Because maybe she really wants to know? Wow, there's a thought!
She did not once, in that entire thread, put anyone down for buying kits, if you felt that she did, then maybe you have issues about your scrapping abilities that you need to work out.
Alyssa, darlin, let it go. You're just making yourself look ridiculous, and ruining your "new" reputation as "With Love Studio" by reminding the rest of us about your grudge against Lizzy and 9th. ----------
I see nothing wrong with the comment by WLS. You are the one that's making yourself look ridiculous right now, even if you are anon.
Because maybe she really wants to know? Wow, there's a thought!
She did not once, in that entire thread, put anyone down for buying kits, if you felt that she did, then maybe you have issues about your scrapping abilities that you need to work out.
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If she really wants to know, how about if she reads other threads where she's posed the same or similar question...including threads she's started (http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?p=2525039#post2525039)
I don't believe the point of her asking the question this time or in the past is to solicit genuine opinions of others so much as it is to have a forum to put forth her ideas in the hopes that everyone will then agree with how right she is.
When she started doing the weekly creative threads, I thought that could be a good idea but what I've noticed is that it's really just become a place for her to show off her layouts. That just smacks of "show off" to me.
She's got opinions, and their strong ones, that's her right. However, consistently trying to change what everyone else is doing to what she considers is the right way really isn't ok. Yes, she puts together some great layouts, I won't take that from her. However, she's got a grating personality and she does look down on all the kit scrappers she's surrounded by.
I don't think I'll ever understand why, if she's so anti-kit, she remains in a community that's the total opposite of her. At this point, I'd be finding a like minded community to join instead of finding ways to constantly insult the one I'm in.
Lizzy Reiber here with a short message about my resignation from 9th&B. It is with great sadness that recent events have lead me to resign from my position of Admin/Manager of 9th&B. Up til now I have been Admin/Manager in Holly's absence trying to preserve what we have at 9th&B.
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Well kudos to you Lizzy, but you just made yourself look like a bitch.
If Lizzy didn't have access to the paypal account and Holly was MIA for MONTHS then who paid the designers, not once but twice a month? The Paypal Fairy? Obviously Holly isn't as MIA as Lizzy likes to say or Lizzy in fact has access to that account.
If Lizzy didn't have access to the paypal account and Holly was MIA for MONTHS then who paid the designers, not once but twice a month? The Paypal Fairy?
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Exactly! And as someone pointed out previously, if there's a problem with the account, there's a warning message. So, she either ignored it or ... I'm going for ignore.
I guested at 9th once. I had to give Holly my paypal addy for payouts. She handled all the payments, but she was never in the forums or involved in anything that I saw.
BUT you can't be sure that Lizzy didnt know anything about this tax issue. She is covering her own ass. She can pretty much say anything she wants cause Holly isn't around. Lizzy called herself a "co-owner" up until this happened. Now all of a sudden she isn't and Holly is the sole owner. Seems funny to me.
Is OK Stef. We know you are the only artiste in town and that we are mere peon craftspeople. We need you to remind us every week via a brand new thread you open to marvel over your own ideas, originality, talent and artistry. What adjective will we add next week?
October 29, 2011 6:19 PM ^^^ LOL, I think Stef is an internet troll that just likes to stir the pot with the same shit day after day.
My point is that Lizzy had nothing to do with payments or the paypal account. --------
No, your point is useless. Lizzy can't have it both ways. Either Holly was MIA or she was paying the designers. If she was paying designers, then she was not MIA. However, if Lizzy was paying the designers, then she has access to the PayPal.
It's not that straight forward. Paypal can be very demanding when you need to reactivate an account and the answers it requires are fairly stringent. Although both might have had access to make payments to designers, only the one that opened the account may have the answer to the questions that Paypal asks. Opening a business paypal account is not as easy as it once was. I can see how paypal problems would cause trading problems.
My point is that Lizzy had nothing to do with payments or the paypal account. --------
No, your point is useless. Lizzy can't have it both ways. Either Holly was MIA or she was paying the designers. If she was paying designers, then she was not MIA. However, if Lizzy was paying the designers, then she has access to the PayPal.
October 30, 2011 3:18 AM
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I saw somewhere also that Lizzy advertised herself as a co-owner, might have been dst? Anyway, as a co-owner you'd think you'd be privy to such vital information.
I don't understand why some here seems to be blaming only Holly the "absentee" owner. How do any of us know what kind of agreement they had? Maybe due to personal issues or circumstances, Holly & Lizzy may have had agreements as to who was supposed to do what with the store. Alot of people start businesses and have someone else run the day to day. That's not a new concept. Truth is, none of us know what really went on, only what one side is telling us.
Truth is, none of us know what really went on, only what one side is telling us.
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Even if the other side was "telling us", we wouldn't REALLY know what happened. There are two sides to every story and then there's the truth. We'll never know.
It's not that straight forward. Paypal can be very demanding when you need to reactivate an account and the answers it requires are fairly stringent. Although both might have had access to make payments to designers, only the one that opened the account may have the answer to the questions that Paypal asks. Opening a business paypal account is not as easy as it once was. I can see how paypal problems would cause trading problems. October 30, 2011 5:18 AM
I have a business Paypal account and it took me less than 2 mins to ensure everything was there for the new tax laws here in the US (which is why Paypal is cracking down).
She just posted a status saying she was getting ready for her guest spot and new perm store... so obviously she did fine a new home.
I'm sure she reads here and that it's not a coincidence that she posted that status while you all are talking about it though.
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That's just stupid. If it's a guest spot, it's a guest spot. If it's permanent, then it isn't a guest spot b/c, duh, it's permanent. No sense in calling something a guest spot if you know it's permanent already. And no sense in pretending it's a guest spot (if you're the shop) if you know it's permanent already.
I honestly have no idea what she has arranged, but I do know where she's headed and the shop's got multiple, multiple guests for November. If she's really been offered a permanent position already, I'm surprised. Further, if she's already been offered a permanent position, it's rude of her to already be announcing that it's permanent b/c the owner hasn't announced that, the owner is calling her a guest, and so obviously the owner doesn't want to advertise it as permanent. As such, announcing that she's staying is a slap in the face to the rest of the guests, and a little disrespectful to the owner and her wishes.
Think they are losing the plot over at SM - there were 3 posts made earlier in the "Closing" thread alluding to the closure with one poster actually announcing it was closing after DSD - don't think they were actually store connected though. Surely this was the opportunity to put things straight instead of sweeping it under the carpet but no - the solution ? delete the posts - those at the top at SM are looking dumber and dumber every minute.
That's just stupid. If it's a guest spot, it's a guest spot. If it's permanent, then it isn't a guest spot b/c, duh, it's permanent. No sense in calling something a guest spot if you know it's permanent already. And no sense in pretending it's a guest spot (if you're the shop) if you know it's permanent already. I honestly have no idea what she has arranged, but I do know where she's headed and the shop's got multiple, multiple guests for November. If she's really been offered a permanent position already, I'm surprised. Further, if she's already been offered a permanent position, it's rude of her to already be announcing that it's permanent b/c the owner hasn't announced that, the owner is calling her a guest, and so obviously the owner doesn't want to advertise it as permanent. As such, announcing that she's staying is a slap in the face to the rest of the guests, and a little disrespectful to the owner and her wishes.
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You are an idiot. She has a new perm home AND is having a guest spot at a DIFFERENT store. On top of that, she didn't say the name of either store so how you think it's disrespectful and a slap in the face to announce it is beyond me. Your level of stupidity is amazing.
Congrats, you just made yourself look like an ass.
Anonymous said... Think they are losing the plot over at SM - there were 3 posts made earlier in the "Closing" thread alluding to the closure with one poster actually announcing it was closing after DSD - don't think they were actually store connected though. Surely this was the opportunity to put things straight instead of sweeping it under the carpet but no - the solution ? delete the posts - those at the top at SM are looking dumber and dumber every minute.
October 30, 2011 11:37 AM
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They are doing everything they can to squash the rumour, so as not to lose last minute sales. Notice they keep saying that SM is not closing "today"
I happen to know that it IS closing, and I think customers are going to be upset when they find out they have been misled.
If SM is closing after DSD, why would that announcement be a problem for customers? On the contrary, I would expect that customers would actually rush to buy if they knew that their DSD sale would be their last.
If SM is closing after DSD, why would that announcement be a problem for customers? On the contrary, I would expect that customers would actually rush to buy if they knew that their DSD sale would be their last. October 30, 2011 12:32 PM
I agree with this, too. But, if SM ran their business well, they probably wouldn't be closing.
I agree with this, too. But, if SM ran their business well, they probably wouldn't be closing.
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Agreed. Considering they were once one of the top stores ... they have really fallen ... I have no idea what happened there,but I'd say they lost the plot a long time ago ... and then didn't have the bravery to admit they made a mistake and continued to sink.
I am just an average scrapper, not a designer. I am not active on any CT's, although I have been in the past. I am not active in any "scrapbook community", I don't post on the message boards, and I don't post my layouts online anymore. I read the Digi boards for entertainment, and am constantly amazed at what people share on the internet. I freely admit to reading the scrapbook smack blogs, it is a guilty pleasure.
You can email me at: DSTHallofFame@gmail.com
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so are you including Krisi's Kreations as one of the "better designers" at SM?
Digital Scrap Cafe is a joke. They've had a designer call going on for 3-4 months now along with a CT call. They don't respond to follow-ups at all and haven't even bothered to send out notices of accept/declines to everyone. I saw in their forum many people asking the status of their applications after 2 months and their response was "it's taking time to go through them all."
Give me a break. Even SSD decided their new CT in about 2 weeks. DSC is disorganized and run unprofessionally. Perfect match for Happy Tits.
so are you including Krisi's Kreations as one of the "better designers" at SM?
October 27, 2011 9:08 AM
Sure. Why not? I don't do hybrid, but her templates look nice and well put together. Is there something we should know?
was going to say the same about Krisi's Kreations, I don't do hybrid either as I am scissor and glue inept but I know hybrid is big at the moment and SO doesn't have any hybrid designers. I just looked at the store and it does say guest by their names, maybe they are guesting on a trial basis and will stay if it is mutually beneficial to all parties?
Since SM is "exclusive", they have to guest until they close their SM shop. Some are leaving after DSD, some are staying until the end.
At DST her new name is alyangel. Just check the old thread in the Scrap Talk where she had posted.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=279383&highlight=studio+demo&page=2
She's joined the Designer team at Digital Scrap Cafe (where the crowd favorite Outside the Box Designs Studio also sells)
October 27, 2011 7:31 AM
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Thank you.
Why am I not surprised that people are now sharing their thoughts on the new Blog swatches. ROFL so typical it was almost a given that everyone would dislike them. I'm sure there will be plenty to say about the blah kits done with the blah swatch. Gosh no one can have any fun anymore can they. All ways a scrooge or 2 or 3 in the crowd.
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Always a Scrooge, dear, not all ways. No one is stopping you or anyone else from having fun, what the heck are you talking about?
Yes, we are talking about the swatches but, OMG, so are the people on the FB page and we are talking about it in pretty much the same way.
So typical for someone like you to come out and just turn everything into a negative.
I don't think that anyone was trying to convince you not to participate. People were just having a (rather civil) discussion about which palette they liked, and which one could be better used. There wasn't any name calling, or bashing, or (gasp!) threatening for you, personally-you, to stop participating. Although due to your foul attitude, I think it would be nice if you bowed out and spared us your negativity.
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This by 100.
Only a minority thought the world was around, while the rest thought it was flat.
October 26, 2011 8:02 PM
Round maybe.
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Oh, you caught me out on a typo! Wicked!
Likewise, I could also create something wonderful with the first palette and it wouldn't have to be holiday-themed. The fact that so many of you saw that first palette and could only think of a holiday theme is laughable. Just because the palette/swatch said Holiday Traditions doesn't mean a designer has to go that route.
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Um, no. The last couple of months there specifically WAS NO THEME and that's why you saw some out of the box minis. This month there is a theme ... so ya, designers are expected to go that route. What's laughable here is how totally clueless you are.
so are you including Krisi's Kreations as one of the "better designers" at SM?
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Why wouldn't I be. As a hybrid designer she is great. Fun and useful templates and atleast she still releases things unlike other hybrid designers out there.
There are a lot of different holidays. Fourth of July, Labor Day and Memorial Day come to mind with that first swatch.
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Uh, yeah, but they don't happen in December now, do they?
I know there's been lots of speculation about whether or not Alyssa had made her return to the digital scrapbooking world. Here's a part of her introduction at (at least one of) her new store:
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Hmm, I can't see this introduction the public forum so I'm safely assuming it's in the designer and/or CT forum. Interesting.
Um, no. The last couple of months there specifically WAS NO THEME and that's why you saw some out of the box minis. This month there is a theme ... so ya, designers are expected to go that route. What's laughable here is how totally clueless you are.
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No, what's laughable is how clueless YOU are. Just because the swatch says "Holiday Traditions" "New Year Traditions" and "Family Traditions" doesn't mean that a designer with a brain and an ounce of creativity couldn't create something that's not cliche and overdone. But apparently when you look at that swatch and those words, all you can see is cliche and overdone. So sorry for you.
No, what's laughable is how clueless YOU are. Just because the swatch says "Holiday Traditions" "New Year Traditions" and "Family Traditions" doesn't mean that a designer with a brain and an ounce of creativity couldn't create something that's not cliche and overdone. But apparently when you look at that swatch and those words, all you can see is cliche and overdone. So sorry for you.
October 28, 2011 6:21 AM
Then why bother having a theme if you encourage people to NOT follow it? Makes no sense.
OMG, are you for real? You honestly think that it's NOT possible to make something that follows the spirit of the theme, but isn't cliche? If you're a designer, you should quit immediately. I'm not even the OP you were arguing with, but you've got tunnel vision like I've never seen before. Wow.
The palette is called "Traditions", Trish gave the example of different types of "traditions", so Im pretty sure you DONT have to go just the christmas route. It's pretty sad how closed minded some people are.
You complain when she chooses a theme, you complain when she doesn't choose a theme, you complain when she chooses the swatch, you complain when she lets someone else choose the swatch... the poor gal just cant get a break any way she chooses to go... If you dont like it, dont sign up for it, simple as that.
The palette is called "Traditions", Trish gave the example of different types of "traditions", so Im pretty sure you DONT have to go just the christmas route. It's pretty sad how closed minded some people are.
You complain when she chooses a theme, you complain when she doesn't choose a theme, you complain when she chooses the swatch, you complain when she lets someone else choose the swatch... the poor gal just cant get a break any way she chooses to go... If you dont like it, dont sign up for it, simple as that.
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Agree 100%
Saying I don't like a swatch is totally OK. It's an OPINION. It's not an attack. If you interpret people telling you they don't like things you like or things you create as an attack, you are gong to go through life very unhappy.
I don't like either swatch. I am disappointed that the popular vote is going towards the more traditional 'done' swatch. I also totally support Trish and everything she does for the train. The two are not mutually exclusive.
9th is closing??? Dish??
What????
Saying I don't like a swatch is totally OK. It's an OPINION. It's not an attack. If you interpret people telling you they don't like things you like or things you create as an attack, you are gong to go through life very unhappy.
I don't like either swatch. I am disappointed that the popular vote is going towards the more traditional 'done' swatch. I also totally support Trish and everything she does for the train. The two are not mutually exclusive.
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Agree 100% but some people just have tunnel vision.
You complain when she chooses a theme, you complain when she doesn't choose a theme, you complain when she chooses the swatch, you complain when she lets someone else choose the swatch... the poor gal just cant get a break any way she chooses to go... If you dont like it, dont sign up for it, simple as that.
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Please, I hate to say it, grow up a little bit. Okay? Thanks.
doesn't mean that a designer with a brain and an ounce of creativity couldn't create something that's not cliche and overdone
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or choose something that isn't cliche and overdone, like that palette. Any designer with an ounce of creativity could create something wonderful with the other palette.
9th is closing??? Dish??
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Where did you hear this?
9th is closing??? Dish??
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Would be happiest day of my life.
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why? If you don't like it, don't shop there. It's not like it's impacting on you personal everyday and if it is, and it's annoying you, then you're doing something wrong.
Wanna bet the person who said they would be thrilled if 9th closed is Alyssa? She was outed for all her wrong doing when she started emailing them demented rants.
9th closing isn't any real surprise. The only one on this blog who defends it is Dizzy Lizzy anyway.
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And you know this how? Seeing as how everyone posts anon, you couldn't possibly know who is defending or not.
or choose something that isn't cliche and overdone, like that palette. Any designer with an ounce of creativity could create something wonderful with the other palette.
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any designer w/ an ounce of creativity could create anything. that doesn't change the fact that I think the 2nd palette resembles cat barf. I don't happen to like those colors. this doesn't make me a bad person, nor does it mean that I lack creativity. I simply hate palette 2. I can hate a certain color scheme, and still possess creativity, despite the fact that I happen to disagree w/ you about an issue of opinion over color. to quote someone from just above me... the two things are not mutually exclusive. jesus christ.
Whoa, hold up. I thought 9th was simply having a shop/PayPal issue today. Who said it was/is closing??? Not sure I buy that. Proof, please.
I don't see evidence anywhere of 9&B closing. They had new releases today.
The first sight of internet fraud, PayPal will shut down your account. Here's hoping.
Wow. What's up with stores closing all of a sudden? Didn't 9th just take on a few designers recently? Amy Stoffel for one...
(1) No chance 9th is closing. I think someone (ahem ahem) on this blog has it out for 9th, and thought it would be fun to start a rumor about it and stir up trouble, given their PayPal gateway issue this week. And yes, anonymous stranger, we all DO notice all of your negative ranty-panty postings about 9th tonight. Really??? Their closing would be the happiest day of your life? You have a lot of living to do, then...
(2) In other news, wow, SM definitely is dead. They only have 7 new releases this week. S-E-V-E-N. They almost should have just shut down that category this week. Ouch.
happy tits, you would know something about internet fraud. fucking moron. go away.
It was just an issue with checking out with paypal from the shop. Noone shut down thier paypal account for fraud.
God. You'd think she'd give it up and go away already! Wouldn't most people be embarrassed to keep re-appearing all over the place trying to reinvent themselves? Takes some sack to keep doing that. Does she think she'll miraculously develop a fan base over and over (as if she ever had one)? Reminds me of the "Queen" thinking her snotty attitude isn't going to precede her.
^^^^^ Would this be Alyssa? I thought of her more as the village idiot rather than a queen.LOL.
Maybe someone felt sorry for her and decided to give Happy Tits another chance?
Dear friends, as many of you are aware, today we at 9th&Bloom encountered a problem processing our Paypal payments. I contacted Paypal to sort out the discrepancy and discovered that unbeknowst to me and to our amazing designers, the shop and its paypal account were not set up as they should be. The shop never acquired its own Taxpayer Identification Number from the Internal Revenue Service. Since having such a number is a requirement for the Paypal account that the shop uses, Paypal has frozen our account and we are unable to process payments. Prior to this point in time all of our Paypal interactions were handled by another owner who failed to inform me of any issues regarding the account.
Because we cannot operate as a shop without a Paypal account, we must say goodbye to 9th&Bloom; however, as always our amazing staff of creative people, layout artists and designers alike are united and hard at work to reopen a new store with the same wonderful buzz of community and creativity. We look forward to our new adventure with a great sense of renewal and anticipation and hope that you will continue to be a part of our amazing community.
God. You'd think she'd give it up and go away already! Wouldn't most people be embarrassed to keep re-appearing all over the place trying to reinvent themselves? Takes some sack to keep doing that. Does she think she'll miraculously develop a fan base over and over (as if she ever had one)? Reminds me of the "Queen" thinking her snotty attitude isn't going to precede her.
October 28, 2011 9:09 PM
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^^^^^ Would this be Alyssa? I thought of her more as the village idiot rather than a queen.LOL.
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Naw. Cluster Queen Creations or whatever she's called.
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um, don't just post something like that and fail to cite it. where'd that come from? I checked their forum and their facebook page and there's nothing like that anywhere.
oops, that last comment (9:50) was targeted at 9:42's post.
WTH does anything revolving around Alyssa / Happy Tits have to do with Cluster Queen Creations? I don't see the connection there AT ALL. I doubt they even know each other.
It's not up to the shop to file designers taxes. Unless the store owners themselves need a tax number for when they file it as income. 9th and Bloom has been around for over a year so wouldn't this issue have popped up before now. So that just doesn't make sense to me.
Doesn't make any sense to me either because a tax number from the IRS can be acquired online immediately.
So, pretty much after reading what was written, Lizzy is pretty much blaming Holly. Holly IS the other owner of 9th&B.
Sounds like a shop trying to run without paying taxes and they got caught. Let's see who blames who... but if you are a CO-OWNER, you should know everything about what is happening in YOUR business. Period. That's what the CO means. What a bunch of idiots.
I would like to know where the closing "quote" came from. It's not in their forum, on the store page or on their facebook.
This is the last thing posted on the 9&B FB.
"So sorry for the delay in the shop, Bloomies. We will hopefully be able to have the paypal part of the shop up and running, soon! We will keep you updated."
12 hours ago
it came from amy stoffell's newsletter
Doesn't make any sense. But it seems Amy Stoffel spilled the beans and made the announcement for them. She just posted it on FB too.
They must have been asked to post it because Meredith Cardall has the same statement posted on her newsletter as well.
Here's a link to Meredith's facebook - it has a link to her newsletter.
https://www.facebook.com/MeredithCardallDesigns
That makes no sense. Get a tax ID!!
Why is nothing posted in the store? I can put things in my cart.
Thanks for the link JDA. I think it's really strange that the designers are posting it before they posted in the forum and on the store page....
Sounds like Holly really dropped the screwed up. I know some here have problems with Lizzy, but I like her and feel sorry for her having to pick up the pieces.
I admit I'm not a fan of Lizzy, but she doesn't deserve this. Neither do all the designers.
I'm 11:16 and realize I typoed. I started to say dropped the ball and changed my mind but my fingers didn't get the message apparently. It's more than her dropping the ball, it's not having enough business sense to be running a store. A big screw up.
I think Lizzy should have been made more aware of anything to do with paypal. Why wasn't she? It is her store too.
Weird, Lizzy and Amy's stores are both gone from 9th. So is Secret Stash & River Rose.
Why wouldn't they just set up another Paypal account and do it properly? That could be done within minutes.
There's more to this story. Why did Meredith Cardall say they were victims of fraud?
Why woudl you close an entire store over something like this??
Probably because there's more to it than they are saying. If it were just that, it would be easily fixed.
Then why insult us with partial truth? As if we are going to believe that crap. I've been a ta store that had a split in ownership and had an issue getting paypal sorted ... and that store is still around and none of the public ever knew about it. What total bullshit. Oh well, I will know to not support whatever future projects Lizzy undertakes.
why the fuck is any shop answerable to you anyway?
any designer w/ an ounce of creativity could create anything. that doesn't change the fact that I think the 2nd palette resembles cat barf. I don't happen to like those colors. this doesn't make me a bad person, nor does it mean that I lack creativity. I simply hate palette 2. I can hate a certain color scheme, and still possess creativity, despite the fact that I happen to disagree w/ you about an issue of opinion over color. to quote someone from just above me... the two things are not mutually exclusive. jesus christ.
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No need to over react, 'kay? I was just saying.
Everyone is answerable to me when they are trying to get me to spend money in their store and use my network to share their sales and challenges with my friends and family.
I get to decide how I respond to people in future based on how they behave. We all do.
I'd rather be told nothing at all than be told a half truth that's so unbelievable it insults my intelligence.
Prior to this point in time all of our Paypal interactions were handled by another owner who failed to inform me of any issues regarding the account.
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Say what? What other owner? There's only Lizzy and Holly.
Sounds like Holly really dropped the screwed up. I know some here have problems with Lizzy, but I like her and feel sorry for her having to pick up the pieces.
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Really? I don't feel sorry for anyone who feels the need to blame someone else when they messed up. They are co-owners and both have the responsibility of the store, to blame the other owner is just lame.
I admit I'm not a fan of Lizzy, but she doesn't deserve this. Neither do all the designers.
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Yes she does. She is also an owner, she had all the benefits of an owner for the last 12 months and now it's all - oh sorry, I didn't know - what a bunch of baloney! She was damn willing to take the money coming in but not she's not willing to take the consequences of screwing up. What a hypocrite.
I think Lizzy should have been made more aware of anything to do with paypal. Why wasn't she? It is her store too.
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Because she may have been too damn lazy to do so herself and now it's come to bite her in the backside.
this doesn't make me a bad person,
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Who said you were a bad person? I don't see anyone saying that, not a one.
holly has personal stuff going on so that is why she hasn't been around. 9th & Bloom doesn't have the drama the OP is talking about. seems someone is full of drama themselves. don't be hatin' just because you weren't turned down to be a designer there.
October 18, 2011 2:05 PM
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Care to change your opinion on this one??
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No the OP but it seems that Lizzy is also to blame, not just Holly.
Wow. Just wow.
Hopefully someday we will get the full story on this one, because there's definitely more to this than they've let on so far.
I can't believe that this happened, of all the times it could have happened, the week before one of the biggest digi-shopping weekends of the year. What an effin' mess for all of those designers.
Anonymous said...
Everyone is answerable to me when they are trying to get me to spend money in their store and use my network to share their sales and challenges with my friends and family.
I get to decide how I respond to people in future based on how they behave. We all do.
I'd rather be told nothing at all than be told a half truth that's so unbelievable it insults my intelligence.
October 29, 2011 1:48 AM
OMG you have an inflated sense of self-worth - you think anyone cares what a bunch of illiterate bitches think on some half-arsed smack blog created solely for the purpose of bringing down any and all designers who give the industry a go? It's real paying customers who count, and I'd bet my bottom dollar that none of you scanks ever pay for anything any more, you just leech the life out of freebies and then come on here and complain about quality! Fuck me, you're too funny!
I feel really bad for the designers. There have been a lot of recent moves there - and with 9&B being an exclusive store there are a lot of hard working and now homeless designers.
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exactly. Lots of designers have just moved there, or are just about to move there, and this happens? Stinks that the real story is not being told. For a store to close, the owners must have known more before now. Maybe its an attention grab just before DSD - perfect (unethical) marketing ploy.
created solely for the purpose of bringing down any and all designers who give the industry a go?
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It was? News to me. But I'm just an illiterate bitch, so what do I know, right?
Have a nice day!
Fuck me, you're too funny!
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Give me your address, and I'll be right on over.
Funny you calling us illiterate when you can't even spell skank.
no the OP, but which spell-checker are you using hoe?
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The one we illiterates use.
I think Paypal is the bad guy here, they shut down your account without any notice for the stupidest reasons.
I dared to use my paypal account to contribute to a charity. My account was a business account because I used to use it as such, but no longer did so and apparently despite my entirely honest intentions and despite the fact the money had ALREADY GONE to the charity, Paypal shut down my account without any warning and I could no longer access my paypal funds. I had to provide them with ID after having had the account for probably 7 or 8 years, and had to provide proof that I was authorized to contribute to the charity.
I provided the information they required within two days, including the time taken to get the charity to write the letter stating I was authorized, and STILL they held my account to ransom for well over a month.
I suspect they would have reacted in a similar way with 9th and Blooms account, their business practices are atrocious. There is no reason why they couldn't give the account holder a specific amount of time to produce the needed information before closing the account.
I was not even allowed to withdraw my OWN money from the account. I fail to understand how this could possibly be legal.
I had done absolutely nothing wrong, they just decided that they needed more information and held my account to ransom as if I was a criminal.
Nope, sorry. I hear what you're saying, but I still don't think the entire story is that Paypal shut down their account and that's it. There's more. In part, because if that were really the case, they wouldn't have to close the store. It's possible to process credit card payments on a site, instead of relying solely on Paypal. Other digi sites do this. Most shops don't go this route b/c it's a bit of a PITA and it's slightly more costly, but answer me this... if you were in Lizzy's situation, and IF Paypal really shut down your account, wouldn't you invest in the upgrade to credit card processing? The week before DSD? Yes, yes you would. The fact that the store is closing so suddenly just reeks of something more going on.
What in the world is going on at 9th? Why have some of the designers' shops disappeared, but the rest are still up and seemingly open for business? If what they say is happening is really happening, why wouldn't there be a big notice up on the front page of the shop? Or at least a post in the forum? This is the most bizarre thing I've seen in a while.
Technically, the shop is only owned by Holly. Lizzy is an admin/manager, not having access to the shop's paypal account. So, for it to be able to process paypal payments, or upgrade to being able to process credit card payments like you say, well then Holly would need to be the one to step in it seems.
I think the whole thing is nuts. Is it not even possible for them to start a new/proper account? Not that people would be pleased about losing pay - plus it's the end of the month. I don't know if they pay bi-weekly or monthly but either way - it's an ouch for payroll
It's not up to the shop to file designers taxes. Unless the store owners themselves need a tax number for when they file it as income. 9th and Bloom has been around for over a year so wouldn't this issue have popped up before now. So that just doesn't make sense to me.
Businesses in the US are required to have a tax number. Since the store are required to file their own business tax returns then yeah they needed a Tax ID#.
Individuals designing as a business are required to file their taxes if they make over $600 a year. One has to then show a profit for a least one in three years of designing. If you never show a profit the IRS will consider you a hobbyist. Individual designers don't necessarily need a tax number depending how they file their taxes. Usually a SSN is good enough.
I'm sure that PayPal eventually figured it out that 9th didn't have a tax ID and put the hold on their account. PayPal as a business must also follow the law. It is possible when buying a business, if you don't know the law, you could get screwed. Obviously whoever owns 9th now is screwed.
So they are now just going to open another store? What happens to the money in that PayPal Account that belongs to the designers?? I think I'd not be in any hurry to rush and join the new store if I hadn't gotten paid and in the end it was the store owner's business to know they needed a Tax ID!
What I heard is that paypal had attempted to reach the store owner several times already. But she didn't respond or get the required tax id number they needed from her.
And I think that when or if a new store gets started, said store owner wouldn't be part of it.
Between this and SM closing, it looks like lots of designers are going to be looking for new homes. Any speculation about where some might end up?
Businesses in the US are required to have a tax number. Since the store are required to file their own business tax returns then yeah they needed a Tax ID#.
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While most of what you said is pretty accurate and has merit, this part isn't totally true. Businesses in the US are actually required to have a federal ID number of some sort when they file taxes. This can take the form of a SS # (if the business is a sole proprietorship) or an EIN # (if the business is a partnership). So it's entirely possible that someone could run a business and hold a Paypal business account and be using their SS# as the ID, as opposed to an actual EIN#.
Either way, the part that makes no sense to me is this - aren't 9th's owners based outside of the US?
And furthermore, Paypal is an international company with customers/clients scattered all over the globe. Their policies are not (and should not) be based on US tax regulations alone.
This is why I'd agree that there is WAAAAY more to this story than meets the eye. No chance is this just a simple "we didn't have a tax ID on the account" issue. No. Chance.
How is there more to it? If paypal shuts you down, they shut you down. The only person who can fix it is the person who's name is on the account. If that person is MIA and refuses to respond or take care of anything, well then there's not a whole lot that can be done is there? The people there can't just open a new account for it. It's a business already owned by someone else. If she's not going to take care of it, what choice do they have except to try and move on?
I can't believe Holly would do this, so very unprofessional.
I blame Lizzie as much as Holly. They work owners. They should be in each other's business.
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Meant to say co-owners. Stupid auto correct.
Lizzy is at fault for not being more involved on the business side of things. From what I know Lizzy is not an owner, she is more an admin. Holly is the sole owner of 9th&Bloom.
How would Lizzy be responsible for that? If her name's not on the account? How can she get Holly's email from paypal to even know there's an issue until it's too late? You can't fix something that's out of your hands.
Lizzy has called herself a part owner on more than one occasion.
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z137/h_griego/newintro.jpg
Co-owners
Regardless, this whole thing is ridiculous. Is Holly always MIA? If so, Lizzy should have been proactively trying to figure out how to get more control over the business issues like Paypal. If not, and Holly has been accessible and responsible all the time, then WTF is going on right now? Obviously there's either an extreme circumstance right now, or else everyone (Lizzy, designers, etc.) have been turning a blind eye to an already-existing problem... and now it's biting their asses. No matter what happens, if the designers have contracts in writing, then Holly (or whoever's paypal account was used) is liable for the money owed to those designers.
God. You'd think she'd give it up and go away already! Wouldn't most people be embarrassed to keep re-appearing all over the place trying to reinvent themselves? Takes some sack to keep doing that. Does she think she'll miraculously develop a fan base over and over (as if she ever had one)? Reminds me of the "Queen" thinking her snotty attitude isn't going to precede her.
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October 28, 2011 9:09 PM
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^^^^^ Would this be Alyssa? I thought of her more as the village idiot rather than a queen.LOL.
Naw. Cluster Queen Creations or whatever she's called.
--------------------------------------------------------Not quite sure how the hell this turned into Cluster Queen Creations but you know, it is nice to get facts straight before slandering people. Alyssa/Happy Tits is not Cluster Queen Creations, her name is Melissa, and as a new designer I am pretty certain she has not "reinvented" herself.
Cluster Queen Creations is Melissa (aka profiler_mar) and she is a fantastic cluster template designer over at the Digi Chick. I'd guess she doesn't even know who Alyssa is. How can you guys be so dumb? Speculation gets you nowhere.
Holly hasn't been active at 9th for a long time, probably about 2 months after the shop opened. She was having some personal issues with her family and then a recent death in the family. It's very sad, but no excuse to just walk away from your responsibilities. I suppose Lizzy called herself 'co-owner' in the beginning when it was good and now that things are in the shitter she wants to make it known that she is not actually a co-owner. lol Sounds like some of the designers are going to try to stay together (some are walking away) maybe a knew store with a similar name?
Even if they were, and always have been "co-owners" in name, it's possible that Holly was the only owner on paper. If that's the case, Lizzy can't just go in and start changing Paypal and tax info and whatnot. Sounds like she trusted Holly had everything done the right way, and got burned.
Their list of designers is shrinking every minute. I hope they'll be able to find somewhere before DSD.
I am confused. Now SM is not closing? http://scrapmatters.com/forums/showthread.php?p=402029#post402029
Interesting. This was just posted on 9th and Bloom's FB page (by 9th and Bloom)
Hi Tiffany Lena Husted, if you would like information on the status of the shop, please email the owner, Holly Griego at h_griego@comcast.net or holly@ninthandbloom.com.
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My guess is that something bigger happened, and since Holly's name is on the domain, Lizzy doesn't have a leg to stand on. If Holly purchase all the software, again in her name, Lizzy technically owns nothing. I'm sure she could take Holly to court, but that takes time.
I am confused. Now SM is not closing? http://scrapmatters.com/forums/showthread.php?p=402029#post402029
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Odd, but it doesn't say for a fact that they aren't closing at all, just that they aren't closing before DSD...
I am confused. Now SM is not closing? http://scrapmatters.com/forums/showthread.php?p=402029#post402029
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I don't have any insider info or anything, but I did notice that they keep specifically saying SM isn't closing today. That doesn't mean it's not closing soon, it just means that it's not closing today.
"I am confused. Now SM is not closing? http://scrapmatters.com/forums/showthread.php?p=402029#post402029"
Notice how no one said that ScrapMatters wasn't closing (at a future date)? They clarified that it was not closing "today".
"ScrapMatters is not closing today."
"just want to reiterate that SM is NOT closing today as falsely posted at DST"
If I was to answer, I would have clearly said "Not only are we not closing today, we have no plans to close anytime in the near or foreseen future".
^^^I agree. They're just leading their customers on this way. What a bunch of crap.
SM IS closing. But not until aft DSD.
SM **is** closing. Just not tomorrow. They want good DSD sales, so they are not announcing yet.
I think it is really funny how up until now Lizzy has referred to herself as a CO-OWNER. Her siggy line at DST said co-owner. But now that things have hit the fan, she is suddenly NOT a co-owner but just an admin/manager in Holly's absence. She has been in charge since day one. LOL. She is trying to cover her own ass because the designers can't get paid for this month.
The fact is that most of these stores could go under at any time without notice, even the ones that have been around forever. It all starts with a store owner having "personal problems" and then the store comes tumbling down.
If I were selling at a store where the actual legal owner was MIA I'd just start packing up my things and looking for a new store right then. It's way too easy for these owners to walk away from their online stores with absolutely no repercussions in their real life, their own family wouldn't even know that they left dozens of other people high and dry - so it seems as though they just do it.
If these designers would have wised up and walked out when Holly went missing at the beginning, the store would have naturally closed on its own when all their sellers walked out. But everyone wants their money, and they stay even when it doesn't make good business sense.
Taken from the 9th&B fan page:
Dear Facebook Community,
Lizzy Reiber here with a short message about my resignation from 9th&B. It is with great sadness that recent events have lead me to resign from my position of Admin/Manager of 9th&B. Up til now I have been Admin/Manager in Holly's absence trying to preserve what we have at 9th&B.
If you have any questions about the status of 9th&B, please direct them to the legal owner, Holly Griego. Her emails are: h_griego@comcast.net and holly@ninthandbloom.com.
If you would like to reach me, you can contact me here on facebook or via email: lizzy9801@hotmail.com.
Sincerely,
Lizzy Reiber
What total bullshit. What a way to make your self into a rose Lizzy. Bravo.
This whole thing is just confusing. What a headache they are dealing with. Is Lizzy to blame also?
If Lizzy isn't an owner, she has no control over what happens with Paypal, etc. Her name has to be listed on the acct in order for her to do anything. So no, I don't think she's responsible at all for it, though I think she should have seen this coming, with Holly being MIA for so long.
Of course, there could be way more to the story than they're all willing to tell...
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yep was going to say the same thing, they were specific in stating 'today'.
Ok, if that is the case then why was she referring to herself as a co-owner up until this happened with the shop? I like Lizzy alot, I just am confused by all this. Just seems that there is more to tell.
She could have stated she was co-owner because she did most of the work {with Holly being MIA}. Just because she called herself co-owner, doesn't mean she actually had any control over the major stuff.
Why would Holly even think about opening a shop when she had so many personal issues?
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?p=3023045#post3023045
Knew she'd make this about Stef being the "artist" and the people who use kits being the "crafters". She's so predictable.
The funniest part of all of this, to me anyway, is that it's clear Alyssa is still holding a grudge against Lizzy and is virtually stalking the online "discussions" of this whole 9th & Bloom fiasco. I will bet my arms and legs that it's been Alyssa on this blog in the past 24 hours, making comments like "it would be the happiest day of my life", etc. w/ regard to the idea of 9th closing. I also found it to be super humorous to read the post from "With Love Studio" in this thread about 9th at DST:
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=289936&page=2
Alyssa, darlin, let it go. You're just making yourself look ridiculous, and ruining your "new" reputation as "With Love Studio" by reminding the rest of us about your grudge against Lizzy and 9th.
Why would anyone want to sell at a shop with a MIA owner, unless they were led to believe that Lizzy was indeed a co-owner as she told everyone. Co-owner means you have access to everything the other owner does. Lizzy may not be at fault for the Paypal fiasco, but she is at fault for publicly misleading people into believing she had some ownership authority at that site.
I have no doubt many people went to that site because they know Lizzy and trusted her - and as the co-owner she fraudulently claimed herself to be - figured even with Holly MIA, they still had Lizzy to keep the site going.
I think Lizzy is a total moron who should leave this industry in shame. Anyone who stands behind her now is a complete idiot and I don't feel one bit sorry for them. I feel sorry for those who understand what fully happened to them and move on - away from both of those owners.
Legally, Lizzy can be sued for damages just as much as Holly can be - since she had the public persona as being co-owner of the store. So, she can use words like "legal owner" all she wants, she claimed to be co-owner, too.
I'd love to see someone take action against these moronic store owners. Just once.
I can tell you I am not Alyssa and I've made a couple comments about the 9th and Bloom thing (not the "happiest day of my life" comment, though). I think it's news to anyone who is a designer, because it could easily happen to any of us.
So, no, Lizzy. It's not just Alyssa who doesn't think you're hot shit.
Regardless of what they are telling their customers/community, SM is closing and I can't believe they're trying to hide it. Half their design team just got last-minute guest spots at other top shops all around digiland, which is no coincidence. Anyone w/ a brain can deduce what's going on. Andilynn's going to take one last major payday from DSD, and then cut the cord. Why else would at least 4 SM designers show up in Friday's new releases at SO (when they weren't guesting there earlier in October), and also at least 1-2 of them are heading to TDC from what I hear (not yet live in their shop though).
I'd love to see someone take action against these moronic store owners. Just once.
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Never. Gonna. Happen.
So, no, Lizzy. It's not just Alyssa who doesn't think you're hot shit.
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Nice try, but I'm the one who just wrote that I thought it was funny Alyssa/With Love Studio was stalking the 9th demise online... and I am not Lizzy. Far from it. Just a designer from another store who's watching this from the sidelines (and has an owner who is not an idiot).
Even if she didnt have control she should have still had access...even if all she had was the password to their paypal she would have seen the big notice at the top of their home account telling them they needed to take care of the issue. She could have started trying to work on the process, paypal gives you plenty of notice. Why would Lizzy agree to take on more responsibility without getting all the information she would need as an owner??? She could have been trying to contact Holly over it and if she couldnt get a hold of her she could have warned the designers at the very least.
I think its funny that she was all about being "Co-Owner" from the very start and now she is just throwing Holly under the bus like this. Holly dropped the ball for sure but Lizzy needs to take a bit of responsibility, now she is playing the victim. All these people are posting awww so sorry to you comments - its just ridiculous.
Sign me up for the not a fan of dizzy Lizzy club.
I am co-owner of a small store (legally), we both have access to EVERYTHING. PayPal included. I feel really sorry for the designers if they can't get paid. I imagine 9&B's payroll is at least 10x our store. So sad.
I keep coming back to the post on Cardall's page earlier... where she prefaced Lizzy's note w/ a statement about how 9th & Bloom was the victim of fraud.
Is there any chance that Holly just stole the money and ran, and maybe Lizzy really isn't to blame? I thought the "fraud" comment was odd when I read it early this morning, and I keep wondering if there's more behind this than we know.
If not, though, then Lizzy really is an idiot.
I doubt it was that. If so, Lizzy and Holly both have a history of saying so - remember Shabby Pickle? So, if Holly just took the money and ran, I would imagine they would say so. Not try to blame it on an absent owner and Paypal.
They've clearly had no problems bringing new designers into the store as of recently - so Holly can't be too far out of the picture. After all, if she's the only "legal" owner, she's the only one who sends out new designer contracts.
I think there is more to this story, and I agree, it's Lizzy covering her ass.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?p=3023045#post3023045
Knew she'd make this about Stef being the "artist" and the people who use kits being the "crafters". She's so predictable.
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Is it me or does she bring this whole arts/crafts thing up fairly regularly. I've been trying to give her the benefit of the doubt the the last few months but I just can't anymore. She doesn't use kits...doesn't like kits...and, it would seem, looks down on anyone who does. We've got that. She can really stop harping on it now.
I love seeing how everyone is placing the blame JUST on Holly. Im sorry but Lizzy lost my respect the minute she went from "co-owner" to just a manager when something went wrong.
According to Amy Stoffel's FB page, she's already found a new home. I wonder where. It will be interesting to see where everyone lands.
I love seeing how everyone is placing the blame JUST on Holly. Im sorry but Lizzy lost my respect the minute she went from "co-owner" to just a manager when something went wrong.
October 29, 2011 2:34 PM
It seems most of us on this blog are blaming both.
But most of the general public are "poor Lizzy", including designers. If you take a peek at 9&B facebook page, it is rather sickening sweet.
The designers and public are only getting Lizzy's view. Holly just might have something to say about this whole "co-owner" thing and about what happened.
If the 9&B owners are locked out of their Paypal account does that mean the designers won't get paid? I'm imagining that is the case, that sux.
The trouble is Holly isn't saying anything. Several designers have emailed and contacted her with no response whatsoever.
That's the way it was with Amanda at Sun. She just quit responding. We were concerned about getting our final payment.
I understand that. But did anyone stop to think that MAYBE Holly is away from the computer right now. Emailing is only one way to contact someone. She may not check her email everday. I, personally, don't always check my email on the weekends. Why hasn't anyone actually tried to call her? People are just assuming Holly is ignoring emails. Noone really knows.
I'm sorry, if you are a store owner, you DO NOT ignore emails. Even on the weekends. ESPECIALLY from your designers and "co-owner" / "admin".
Sure, you take some time off, but you tell your team you are unplugging - in case something this crazy happens.
I understand that. But did anyone stop to think that MAYBE Holly is away from the computer right now. Emailing is only one way to contact someone. She may not check her email everday. I, personally, don't always check my email on the weekends. Why hasn't anyone actually tried to call her? People are just assuming Holly is ignoring emails. Noone really knows.
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It seems that attempt to contact her have not just been through email but texts and phonecalls as well and she's not responding.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showpost.php?p=3023314&postcount=10
Well, maybe she assumed her "co-owner" has things handled and doesn't know there is chaos yet. I agree as a store owner she needs to check her emails daily. I just hate to see Holly tossed under the bus and Lizzy getting off like a victim. They are BOTH at fault.
Considering the fact that Holly has been MIA for MONTHS, I think she deserves to get thrown under the bus.
The store did have a "co-owner" to handle things while she was away. So what's your point?
That's the way it was with Amanda at Sun. She just quit responding. We were concerned about getting our final payment.
October 29, 2011 4:50 PM
Yep - as a designer you shouldn't have to grovel to get paid. She never told us we weren't getting paid at the end of Sept and it took til more than a week after the store closed and several emails to get paid. 6 weeks between pay periods, instead of 2.
Yep - as a designer you shouldn't have to grovel to get paid. She never told us we weren't getting paid at the end of Sept and it took til more than a week after the store closed and several emails to get paid. 6 weeks between pay periods, instead of 2.
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And some wondered why the store failed. #1 reason - poor "management".
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And some wondered why the store failed. #1 reason - poor "management".
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I don't wonder why Sun failed. As a former designer, I totally know that poor management is why it failed. You're right
I love how everyone on here wants to blame Lizzy. I mean maybe she was responsible. Maybe not. It seems to me the only people who know are her and Holly. And Holly is the one who is not responding to anything. So. I think that speaks for itself, geesh.
Why would Holly even think about opening a shop when she had so many personal issues?
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Why would Lizzy open up a shop with her when she knew?
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?p=3023045#post3023045
Knew she'd make this about Stef being the "artist" and the people who use kits being the "crafters". She's so predictable.
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I knew that someone would see this in entirely the wrong light and try and smack Stef. You are so predictable.
Holly hasn't been active at 9th for a long time, probably about 2 months after the shop opened. She was having some personal issues with her family and then a recent death in the family. It's very sad, but no excuse to just walk away from your responsibilities.
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I agree that this is true and Holly shouldn't have opened up the store or at least closed it or handed it over when she knew she couldn't cope. However, from a designer point of view, if the owner hasn't been seen around for a few months, I'm outta there. I'm smart enough to know that there's going to be trouble.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?p=3023045#post3023045
Knew she'd make this about Stef being the "artist" and the people who use kits being the "crafters". She's so predictable.
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I knew that someone would see this in entirely the wrong light and try and smack Stef. You are so predictable.
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Because why else would she even start a thread like this if it weren't to prove her point?
She doesn't use kits...doesn't like kits...and, it would seem, looks down on anyone who does. We've got that. She can really stop harping on it now.
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We get that some of you don't like her, you can really stop harping on it now too.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=289936&page=2
Alyssa, darlin, let it go. You're just making yourself look ridiculous, and ruining your "new" reputation as "With Love Studio" by reminding the rest of us about your grudge against Lizzy and 9th.
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I'm not seeing her comment, so she must have deleted it. However, no shopping for me with Becca, way to throw Holly under the bus!
Considering the fact that Holly has been MIA for MONTHS, I think she deserves to get thrown under the bus.
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No, she doesn't. If Holly indeed have total control over the PayPal account, how did the designers get paid during her very long absence?
I smell a rat and her name is Lizzy.
Is OK Stef. We know you are the only artiste in town and that we are mere peon craftspeople. We need you to remind us every week via a brand new thread you open to marvel over your own ideas, originality, talent and artistry. What adjective will we add next week?
I love how everyone on here wants to blame Lizzy. I mean maybe she was responsible. Maybe not. It seems to me the only people who know are her and Holly. And Holly is the one who is not responding to anything. So. I think that speaks for itself, geesh.
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The fact that Lizzy is trying to shove the blame on someone else speaks for itself too.
With love is just under Becca
Is OK Stef. We know you are the only artiste in town and that we are mere peon craftspeople. We need you to remind us every week via a brand new thread you open to marvel over your own ideas, originality, talent and artistry. What adjective will we add next week?
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If you don't like what she has to say, STOP READING IT!! I really don't understand the mentality of the person who deliberates reads something by someone they don't like, just so they can get upset by it and then smack her.
Because why else would she even start a thread like this if it weren't to prove her point?
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Because maybe she really wants to know? Wow, there's a thought!
She did not once, in that entire thread, put anyone down for buying kits, if you felt that she did, then maybe you have issues about your scrapping abilities that you need to work out.
With love is just under Becca
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I see the comment now, further down. I'm not seeing where's saying anything wrong.
WLS just said it's very sad to hear and there's no edit to the comment.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=289936&page=2
Alyssa, darlin, let it go. You're just making yourself look ridiculous, and ruining your "new" reputation as "With Love Studio" by reminding the rest of us about your grudge against Lizzy and 9th.
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I see nothing wrong with the comment by WLS. You are the one that's making yourself look ridiculous right now, even if you are anon.
Because maybe she really wants to know? Wow, there's a thought!
She did not once, in that entire thread, put anyone down for buying kits, if you felt that she did, then maybe you have issues about your scrapping abilities that you need to work out.
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If she really wants to know, how about if she reads other threads where she's posed the same or similar question...including threads she's started (http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?p=2525039#post2525039)
I don't believe the point of her asking the question this time or in the past is to solicit genuine opinions of others so much as it is to have a forum to put forth her ideas in the hopes that everyone will then agree with how right she is.
When she started doing the weekly creative threads, I thought that could be a good idea but what I've noticed is that it's really just become a place for her to show off her layouts. That just smacks of "show off" to me.
She's got opinions, and their strong ones, that's her right. However, consistently trying to change what everyone else is doing to what she considers is the right way really isn't ok. Yes, she puts together some great layouts, I won't take that from her. However, she's got a grating personality and she does look down on all the kit scrappers she's surrounded by.
I don't think I'll ever understand why, if she's so anti-kit, she remains in a community that's the total opposite of her. At this point, I'd be finding a like minded community to join instead of finding ways to constantly insult the one I'm in.
Lizzy Reiber here with a short message about my resignation from 9th&B. It is with great sadness that recent events have lead me to resign from my position of Admin/Manager of 9th&B. Up til now I have been Admin/Manager in Holly's absence trying to preserve what we have at 9th&B.
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Well kudos to you Lizzy, but you just made yourself look like a bitch.
If Lizzy didn't have access to the paypal account and Holly was MIA for MONTHS then who paid the designers, not once but twice a month? The Paypal Fairy?
Obviously Holly isn't as MIA as Lizzy likes to say or Lizzy in fact has access to that account.
At this point, I'd be finding a like minded community to join instead of finding ways to constantly insult the one I'm in.
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I don't see her constantly insulting anyone. Sorry.
If Lizzy didn't have access to the paypal account and Holly was MIA for MONTHS then who paid the designers, not once but twice a month? The Paypal Fairy?
Lizzy in fact has access to that account.
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Exactly! And as someone pointed out previously, if there's a problem with the account, there's a warning message. So, she either ignored it or ... I'm going for ignore.
I guested at 9th once. I had to give Holly my paypal addy for payouts. She handled all the payments, but she was never in the forums or involved in anything that I saw.
But you still got paid BY Holly. So she wasn't MIA from the store. Maybe from the forums BUT she still figured out how much you made and paid you.
My point is that Lizzy had nothing to do with payments or the paypal account.
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My point is that Lizzy had nothing to do with payments or the paypal account.
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If Lizzy was handling the shop while Holly was MIA why would she not have the paypal info - and she may have had access even if Holly did paypal...
BUT you can't be sure that Lizzy didnt know anything about this tax issue. She is covering her own ass. She can pretty much say anything she wants cause Holly isn't around. Lizzy called herself a "co-owner" up until this happened. Now all of a sudden she isn't and Holly is the sole owner. Seems funny to me.
Is OK Stef. We know you are the only artiste in town and that we are mere peon craftspeople. We need you to remind us every week via a brand new thread you open to marvel over your own ideas, originality, talent and artistry. What adjective will we add next week?
October 29, 2011 6:19 PM
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LOL, I think Stef is an internet troll that just likes to stir the pot with the same shit day after day.
LOL, I think Stef is an internet troll that just likes to stir the pot with the same shit day after day.
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Much like everyone here on this blog.
According to Amy Stoffel's FB page, she's already found a new home. I wonder where. It will be interesting to see where everyone lands.
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She actually didn't find a new home yet, she got a guest spot for November at another shop.
Where?
Much like everyone here on this blog.
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Exactly, but some people think they are so vanilla.
She just posted a status saying she was getting ready for her guest spot and new perm store... so obviously she did fine a new home.
I'm sure she reads here and that it's not a coincidence that she posted that status while you all are talking about it though.
My point is that Lizzy had nothing to do with payments or the paypal account.
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No, your point is useless. Lizzy can't have it both ways. Either Holly was MIA or she was paying the designers. If she was paying designers, then she was not MIA. However, if Lizzy was paying the designers, then she has access to the PayPal.
It's not that straight forward. Paypal can be very demanding when you need to reactivate an account and the answers it requires are fairly stringent. Although both might have had access to make payments to designers, only the one that opened the account may have the answer to the questions that Paypal asks. Opening a business paypal account is not as easy as it once was. I can see how paypal problems would cause trading problems.
My point is that Lizzy had nothing to do with payments or the paypal account.
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No, your point is useless. Lizzy can't have it both ways. Either Holly was MIA or she was paying the designers. If she was paying designers, then she was not MIA. However, if Lizzy was paying the designers, then she has access to the PayPal.
October 30, 2011 3:18 AM
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I saw somewhere also that Lizzy advertised herself as a co-owner, might have been dst? Anyway, as a co-owner you'd think you'd be privy to such vital information.
I don't understand why some here seems to be blaming only Holly the "absentee" owner. How do any of us know what kind of agreement they had? Maybe due to personal issues or circumstances, Holly & Lizzy may have had agreements as to who was supposed to do what with the store. Alot of people start businesses and have someone else run the day to day. That's not a new concept. Truth is, none of us know what really went on, only what one side is telling us.
Truth is, none of us know what really went on, only what one side is telling us.
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Even if the other side was "telling us", we wouldn't REALLY know what happened.
There are two sides to every story and then there's the truth. We'll never know.
It's not that straight forward. Paypal can be very demanding when you need to reactivate an account and the answers it requires are fairly stringent. Although both might have had access to make payments to designers, only the one that opened the account may have the answer to the questions that Paypal asks. Opening a business paypal account is not as easy as it once was. I can see how paypal problems would cause trading problems.
October 30, 2011 5:18 AM
I have a business Paypal account and it took me less than 2 mins to ensure everything was there for the new tax laws here in the US (which is why Paypal is cracking down).
Doesn't seem so complicated to me.
She just posted a status saying she was getting ready for her guest spot and new perm store... so obviously she did fine a new home.
I'm sure she reads here and that it's not a coincidence that she posted that status while you all are talking about it though.
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That's just stupid. If it's a guest spot, it's a guest spot. If it's permanent, then it isn't a guest spot b/c, duh, it's permanent. No sense in calling something a guest spot if you know it's permanent already. And no sense in pretending it's a guest spot (if you're the shop) if you know it's permanent already.
I honestly have no idea what she has arranged, but I do know where she's headed and the shop's got multiple, multiple guests for November. If she's really been offered a permanent position already, I'm surprised. Further, if she's already been offered a permanent position, it's rude of her to already be announcing that it's permanent b/c the owner hasn't announced that, the owner is calling her a guest, and so obviously the owner doesn't want to advertise it as permanent. As such, announcing that she's staying is a slap in the face to the rest of the guests, and a little disrespectful to the owner and her wishes.
uhhh ... she didn't mention anywhere that the guest store & permanent store are one in the same.
Think they are losing the plot over at SM - there were 3 posts made earlier in the "Closing" thread alluding to the closure with one poster actually announcing it was closing after DSD - don't think they were actually store connected though. Surely this was the opportunity to put things straight instead of sweeping it under the carpet but no - the solution ? delete the posts - those at the top at SM are looking dumber and dumber every minute.
That's just stupid. If it's a guest spot, it's a guest spot. If it's permanent, then it isn't a guest spot b/c, duh, it's permanent. No sense in calling something a guest spot if you know it's permanent already. And no sense in pretending it's a guest spot (if you're the shop) if you know it's permanent already. I honestly have no idea what she has arranged, but I do know where she's headed and the shop's got multiple, multiple guests for November. If she's really been offered a permanent position already, I'm surprised. Further, if she's already been offered a permanent position, it's rude of her to already be announcing that it's permanent b/c the owner hasn't announced that, the owner is calling her a guest, and so obviously the owner doesn't want to advertise it as permanent. As such, announcing that she's staying is a slap in the face to the rest of the guests, and a little disrespectful to the owner and her wishes.
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You are an idiot. She has a new perm home AND is having a guest spot at a DIFFERENT store. On top of that, she didn't say the name of either store so how you think it's disrespectful and a slap in the face to announce it is beyond me. Your level of stupidity is amazing.
Congrats, you just made yourself look like an ass.
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Think they are losing the plot over at SM - there were 3 posts made earlier in the "Closing" thread alluding to the closure with one poster actually announcing it was closing after DSD - don't think they were actually store connected though. Surely this was the opportunity to put things straight instead of sweeping it under the carpet but no - the solution ? delete the posts - those at the top at SM are looking dumber and dumber every minute.
October 30, 2011 11:37 AM
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They are doing everything they can to squash the rumour, so as not to lose last minute sales. Notice they keep saying that SM is not closing "today"
I happen to know that it IS closing, and I think customers are going to be upset when they find out they have been misled.
If SM is closing after DSD, why would that announcement be a problem for customers? On the contrary, I would expect that customers would actually rush to buy if they knew that their DSD sale would be their last.
If SM is closing after DSD, why would that announcement be a problem for customers? On the contrary, I would expect that customers would actually rush to buy if they knew that their DSD sale would be their last.
October 30, 2011 12:32 PM
I agree with this, too. But, if SM ran their business well, they probably wouldn't be closing.
I agree with this, too. But, if SM ran their business well, they probably wouldn't be closing.
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Agreed. Considering they were once one of the top stores ... they have really fallen ... I have no idea what happened there,but I'd say they lost the plot a long time ago ... and then didn't have the bravery to admit they made a mistake and continued to sink.
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