and that would be one boring store. all the same basic style...boring color schemes...good thing you are NOT a store owner. no one would come to see your stuff. what you did was create another Sweet Shoppe. Sheesh.
Ditto this. Furthermore, knowing she has strong ties in the past to a website known for digital piracy would send me running in the other direction (sprinting, actually) if I were a designer. Do I want my designs in a shop where the owner has full access to my downloads, and has a history on the Baby Gaga site? HELL NO!
November 22, 2011 11:34 AM
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If it is something someone is willing to post publically and that someone is so concerned, they can always email the designers. I'm wondering if anyone is stepping up to the plate on that one?
I'm not concerned. They probably read this blog. If they don't, they should.
and that would be one boring store. all the same basic style...boring color schemes...good thing you are NOT a store owner. no one would come to see your stuff. what you did was create another Sweet Shoppe. Sheesh.
------ Well, it is my dream store, not yours. Who would you have?
Oh please, anyone who's been around this industry for a while knows that this blog is a good place to read the pulse of the industry and find out everything you can't find out at DST. Doesn't mean that everyone here reading this blog is shit-slinging and pot-stirring.
It's the designers (of which there are MANY) who unleash the drama out in the open that I'd want to avoid. This can be as severe as Alyssa/Studio Demo/whatever the hell she's calling herself now... or as innocuous as a designer who can't meet deadlines b/c she always, always, always has some IRL drama that keeps her from being reliable.
And then, there are the designers who are polite, drama-free, meet deadlines, and don't make their IRL problems everyone elses. We all know some of these. So have at it... who are they?
There was that whole 9th&B fiasco, but I think Lizzy and Holly retired? What ended up happening after they closed? Alyssa must have been thrilled to hear this.
Plus, the whole SM thing. WHAT is happening with that? Are they staying open or what?
WTF is up w/ Victoria Feemster's weird obsession with adding staples and brads to pieces of paper & ribbons and extracting them and calling them CU? Does anyone really buy these products?
WTF is up w/ Victoria Feemster's weird obsession with adding staples and brads to pieces of paper & ribbons and extracting them and calling them CU? Does anyone really buy these products?
http://www.sugarhillco.com/shop/CU-Frames-10/
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Apparently people buy them or she wouldn't have multiple sets. So, if someone apparently wants them, why not? Not something I would buy, but whatever floats your boat.
How many times has Captivated Visions used the same color palette as on her DST feature kit? http://www.digishoptalk.com/index.php And before you say I'm lazy for not figuring it out myself I don't really care how many times I'm being sarcastic. ************************************** I buy from her consistently and have never seen this palette before. So maybe you should go check before you stick your foot in your mouth. Similar is not the same.
Maybe it is a little similar, I don't have the gold kit so can't compare up close. But it does not look the same as the My Project kits to me. The colors are similar though, I do agree.
About the CT requirements: I find it interesting that this industry has become so saturated, catty, and competitive that most of the customers are looking for free and easy. Designers work damn hard on their kits and just because some snotty CT's want to bitch about anyone expecting anything of them besides one layout they can through together, is a little selfish and lazy. If all a designer needed were and a handful of sample layouts, we could do them ourselves while we got the kit pieces up and ready to go anyway. It's amazing how people apply for CT's, bragging about how much they love their stuff, and all but beg to be on your team, then they get on, whip out a few layouts, then disappear with a few extra kits they never did anything with. You send them e-mails and they don't bother to reply, then THEY have the nerve to go bitching on the blogs. I know a designer who said she sent something to her team explaining some new marketing strategies and asked if anyone were interested or if they knew anyone who was. She even offered to pay them and not expect layouts. It was mandatory for everyone, just putting out feelings to see if anyone was. But when a designer sees her team hanging out on Facebook all damn day long, but can't bother to check in to their CT forum, then maybe that person would rather be posting and chatting than creating layouts. What's wrong with that? I know everyone has lives. We all have lives. and we are all trying to get by and hopefully make or save a little money doing what we love. So why not one had wash another? And did you ever stop to think that if a designer's requirements are changing, that maybe that means her business is growing? And that's a good thing. There are so many people out there who are just freebie whores and bitch if they are expected to lift a finger, wait 30 seconds for a zip to download, and just generally point the finger at anyone else who's shoulders they could crawl on to step up the ladder of their our egos. Why must it all be so shitty? I'm telling ya... I'm about to let most of my team go and do most of it myself because it's a hellava lot easier not to have to babysit their asses anyway. Personally, I get more help from other designers than team members. And I don't expect something from nothing. I'm not demanding, they have easy timelines, and if they're spending their days hanging out on Facebook and stuff anyway, then why not pay them to post a few things here and there while they're at it? I don't expect something for nothing. And I give in return. Big Christmas bonuses coming up too, so quit your bitching. If you want to get something for nothing, go hang out with the illegals in the welfare lines and you can all get free food, free medical, free homes, and won't have to do shit else but bitch about how unfair it is that we won't all just pick up your tab of life and a half dozen more anchor babies. And on top of that, you think we should all learn your fucking language just to accomodate you lazy asses who want free rides. My team isn't going to be a free ride, nor do I expect them to feel that way. I love my team, and if at any time they don't want to do something, I'm fine with that. Thank God I have a great team! I guess I'm lucky not to have whiners on my team.
I'm about to let most of my team go and do most of it myself because it's a hellava lot easier not to have to babysit their asses anyway. Personally, I get more help from other designers than team members. And I don't expect something from nothing. I'm not demanding, they have easy timelines, and if they're spending their days hanging out on Facebook and stuff anyway.
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I love my team, and if at any time they don't want to do something, I'm fine with that. Thank God I have a great team! I guess I'm lucky not to have whiners on my team.
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Your post makes no sense. You are going to let them go but you love them? Huh?
And there is this key on the side of your keyboard called "enter". It makes these wonderful things called paragraphs that might make your rant sound less idiotic.
I won't address the other moronic thing you said. The only thing that we agree on is that CT shouldn't just get kits for nothing. But you sure makes some huge leaps in that post there.
gee I hate to interrupt this fascinating CT rant..but out of curiousity I peeked in at SM...they are down to TEN designers. oh, but right - they aren't closing. OK.
If it is something someone is willing to post publically and that someone is so concerned, they can always email the designers. I'm wondering if anyone is stepping up to the plate on that one?
^^ what kind of stepping up would you like to see? Designers in With Love Studio have been warned by email. Threads have been started in the public part and the private part of DST (but are always deleted.) A steady pressure is put on via this blog. I think that's a good way to get the word out to designers about getting into business with this psychopath. If you have other ideas I'd love to hear them.
Alyssa deleted collab files - for store collabs - that effects every single designer in the store. She did it to a store she was mad at, and she did it to other stores who had no beef with her but she used to sell there so she had collab login information.
Fine, maybe as a scapper you don't want to know - but designers should want to know who their new 'boss' is and what she is capable of.
gee I hate to interrupt this fascinating CT rant..but out of curiousity I peeked in at SM...they are down to TEN designers. oh, but right - they aren't closing. OK.
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...soon to be 9. Elise's Pieces is staying at TDC after her "guest spot" in November.
somebody please....tell me what in the hell anyone would EVER use these for??? OMG, ROFL!!! ------------ way less pointless than Victoria Feemster's stapled paper that someone posted above, but I will admit that the doodles are a little strange
I am the OP of being sick of CT demands and the long rant above is just what I mean!
I am NOT one of those CTMs who spends her life on Facebook. I like a few games and looking at photos my friends post, but I logon once or twice a week.
I work for my designers. I put all my effort into each page to feature and highlight the kit as best I can. I don't just "through" [sic] something together! Sometimes I spend hours on one page editing my photos and getting everything just right. Then I spend even longer posting it into galleries, enabling, etc.
I do that for each kit they make a month. Sometimes that's 8-10 hours a month for just a few kits. And then they have the nerve to ask for MORE of my time so we can market THEIR business???
I'm sorry the designer above has people on her team that she feels the need to stalk on Facebook to babysit. I guess if the designer asking about marketing because she doesn't have any time spent less of her time checking up on people, she might have more time for her BUSINESS.
I'm sorry the designer above has people on her team that she feels the need to stalk on Facebook to babysit. I guess if the designer asking about marketing because she doesn't have any time spent less of her time checking up on people, she might have more time for her BUSINESS. November 23, 2011 6:58 AM ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This!
As a designer, I've found CTMs help those who help themselves. Asking your CT to do almost everything for you (marketing, freebies, etc), just creates unhappy, uncreative, burned out and downright disgruntled CTMs.
So, if you don't like how your CT is acting and actually (scarily) feel the need to check-up on them, perhaps you ought to point that finger back at yourself.
As a designer, I've found CTMs help those who help themselves. Asking your CT to do almost everything for you (marketing, freebies, etc), just creates unhappy, uncreative, burned out and downright disgruntled CTMs.
So, if you don't like how your CT is acting and actually (scarily) feel the need to check-up on them, perhaps you ought to point that finger back at yourself.
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I couldn't agree more. I have a great CT and maybe the fact that I do all the job to market my products and let them be what their title is "Creative".
I will never put pressure on them and require them to work on products. I have a multi cultural team and some don't do Christmas Thanksgiving or even Halloween.
I think if you feel that you need to stalk your team maybe if you spent that time marketing, showing off your products your sales would grow.
YOU are the designer YOU are the one who should work your ass off to sell your products not them.
Fine, maybe as a scapper you don't want to know - but designers should want to know who their new 'boss' is and what she is capable of
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That was my point. Email the designers. The poster I was responding to was concerned about the designers. If they have been contacted then why haven't they jumped ship?
ugh. I hated the posting on FB requirement. None of my FB friends scrapbook. The digi people that wanted to by my friend were already on my team. So that was pointless. I'm not on any teams because of the facebook issue. I'll just buy my stuff.
I think the FB requirement is absurd. If my CT *wants* to post to their FB, great. But to require it, doesn't make any sense - especially when their friends are just that - friends and not digi people.
To the post who said they are not on teams because of that, maybe ask if you can post to an additional gallery or two instead? I can't imagine a designer being that unreasonable.
^Well, I don't want to seem argumentative to the designer because then they end up ranting about it like crazy designer a few post back. ;)
I'm better off not being a CTM. I get to scrap with the stuff I buy. I can't think of any designer that I love everything they create. If I don't love it, I don't want to scrap with it.
As a designer I don't require my team to advertise for me. All I ask for is a page from my new kits to use in my own advertising. I do all of my marketing myself. I understand that for some people, the price of a new kit isn't worth the time it takes to scrap the page, make a qp or other freebie, advertise in 10+ galleries, blog about it, etc etc. And I agree with the person who said that her Facebook friends are just friends. Not customers. Some scrappers like to post their pages on Facebook though, so everyone is different.
However, if a designer you ct for puts all of that as a requirement in her call, and then you apply, you have the responsibility to do those things. Otherwise it's like applying for a job as a cook at McDonalds, and then refusing to make french fries, because you think frying food in addition to cooking burgers is too much work for the level of pay.
Also I just wanted to mention, because I have such a low requirement for my team, I end up having to keep a very large team. It makes sure that I get enough exposure without having to overwork or micromanage my team members. I'm just pointing that out because it seems there is always someone here on this blog who likes to complain about designers with large teams. For me, it's the only way to make sure I get enough exposure without having to become a slave driver.
I don't get this whole CT argument. Different designers will require different tasks of their CT, according to their needs. That doesn't make one designer's requirements "better" than someone else's, it just makes them different.
However, YOU as a CT member get to decide if you can live with those requirements. If you don't like or can't handle what is being asked of you, no one is forcing you to stay on that designer's team. Go CT for someone with less requirements.
Coming here to bitch, anonymously, without even mentioning who you are bitching about? Makes no sense. It comes off as nothing more than whining about the fact that your designer expects things in return for giving you free product. How dare she!
However, YOU as a CT member get to decide if you can live with those requirements. If you don't like or can't handle what is being asked of you, no one is forcing you to stay on that designer's team. Go CT for someone with less requirements.
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I have been on teams that upped the requirements a couple months after I joined. So that changes what I signed up for and makes it not really my choice other than to leave the team. And the designer wasn't happy because I agree to a six month term on one of the teams.
Well, it's just my opinion, but in that case, I don't think you did anything wrong. If the designer is going to change her terms/requirements in the middle of a six-month commitment, then you should have the right to leave if you don't like the new terms. I wouldn't say she was wrong for changing her terms, but she was wrong for expecting you to stay the full six months once she did, especially if you weren't happy with the changes.
I have made revisions to my team expectations in the past, but I always do it when it's time for everyone to "recommit" to a new contract. And I introduce the changes before asking them if they will stay or not, giving them an option to decide whether or not they can live with/abide by the new terms.
As a designer, sometimes you have to make changes to accomodate a growing business. In the process, you need to understand that it won't work for all the people. But that still doesn't make it wrong to make changes or have more expectations. The only thing that is wrong is when a designer won't accept it when someone leaves because of the changes.
Is Digi Doodle Doo's stuff any good? I'm interested in these: http://www.digiscrapwarehouse.com/xcart/commercial-use-product/DDDooDeckHallsCUdoods.html
I'm a designer and I require my CT to post layout to MY faceboook fanpage. It's no different than posting to my store galleries. I don't ask that they post on their personal pages.
Why require facebook? Because it's the single most powerful tool out there. I'd choose it over posting to my galleries any day.
I'm a designer and I require my CT to post layout to MY faceboook fanpage. It's no different than posting to my store galleries. I don't ask that they post on their personal pages.
Why require facebook? Because it's the single most powerful tool out there. I'd choose it over posting to my galleries any day.
------------ I can understand that, but why don't YOU upload the layouts to YOUR Facebook? It's no different than uploading them to YOUR product listings.
I can understand that, but why don't YOU upload the layouts to YOUR Facebook? It's no different than uploading them to YOUR product listings.
^^^ It is different - facebook edge rank has to do with how many other peopel interact with my page, not how many photos I myself upload - and edge rank effects where I show up on people's feeds (since it's not chronological).
Is Digi Doodle Doo's stuff any good? I'm interested in these: http://www.digiscrapwarehouse.com/xcart/commercial-use-product/DDDooDeckHallsCUdoods.html
seriously they still have a loyal following. I am not applying there but you have a built in clientele. It wouldn't be the worse thing in the world. Mind you that is if they went non-exclusive...wouldn't encourage anyone to put all their eggs in that one basket. But could be worse things then a built in client base
I am doubtful that client base will stick around. First, I used to be one of them... and haven't shopped there much at all in recent months (especially since this entire debacle took place). Second, no client base will stay loyal forever to designers who can only muster 8 new releases a week, especially on Black Friday??? Come on. Embarrassing. And third, I sell at one of the shops that their designers have flooded in the past month, and I can tell you that it's not just the designers who have shown up. The CTs have come with them, and many of the customers are in our forum now, too. SM is dying a slow death. So dumb of Andilynn to drag it out like this.
I comment on ALL my LOs. As long as I can find them (in my gallery). I think designers who do not find 45 minutes a week to comment and connect with a customer is sad. --------
Absolutely agree with this. I'm just a customer of Sherrie JD and she has a fan for life in me. I've only made a few pages with her products, but she took the time out to comment on each of those pages. There have been other designers who have done the same in the past, but sadly they have retired. One of them even commented on my blog, because that was the only place I had uploaded the page too.
Um, you haven't been around for long, maybe? Freebies yes whole kits have been a trend in digi since it first began and everyone was saying that freebies would kill the industry. It hasn't happened yet.
And I'm talking whole kits! Have you every heard of Shabby Princess? I don't think offering freebies killed her sales.
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Do you think paying designers late most months is serious? What about if the owner is ill? Note she still posts in the forums and makes new releases! -----
Yes, no excuses. I was once in a store where the owner paid us late every pay, which was once every two weeks. I left after two months.
If an owner is ill, she needs to appoint someone to do the admin in her place. If the illness is sudden, then yeah, one pay being late is acceptable, but not every pay afterwards.
I personally think what designers and stores are asking from their CTs are ridiculous. I would never agree to such absurd amount of work. But if you agreed to it in the first place, then why complain now? ----
Not the OP, but she did specifically say she was brought on to scrap, only to have other work pushed onto her later. So, she didn't agree to it in the first place and has every right to complain. Some designers are up front with their expectations of CTMs and others are not.
Big Christmas bonuses coming up too, so quit your bitching. If you want to get something for nothing, go hang out with the illegals in the welfare lines and you can all get free food, free medical, free homes, and won't have to do shit else but bitch about how unfair it is that we won't all just pick up your tab of life and a half dozen more anchor babies. And on top of that, you think we should all learn your fucking language just to accomodate you lazy asses who want free rides. --------
What the hell does this have to do with CTing? Or Designing? Or Scrapping?
Why not go and hang out at Hot Topics at DST, you'd fit in beautifully with some of the ignorant, bigoted posters in there.
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Agreed. I've had designers change their terms and they've always said, if you aren't happy, please let me know and we'll see what we can work out. Sometimes that might mean leaving the team, other times it might mean doing something else for the designer that I can agree to.
I'm a designer and I require my CT to post layout to MY faceboook fanpage. It's no different than posting to my store galleries. I don't ask that they post on their personal pages. ----
That's entirely different from some designers asking CTMs to post to their personal pages. I would have no issue in posting to a designer's FB fan page, nor her blog. But when it comes to my personal FB page or blog, that's mine, and not the designer's.
That's entirely different from some designers asking CTMs to post to their personal pages. I would have no issue in posting to a designer's FB fan page, nor her blog. But when it comes to my personal FB page or blog, that's mine, and not the designer's.
November 26, 2011 1:09 AM ----- I am a designer and I 100% agree with you. I would NEVER be so ballsy as to insist my team post their pages on their personal wall. That is just nervy!
And, currently my team does not post their pages to my wall, either. But, after reading up a bit on the page rank thing mentioned above, I might ask them to start. I try not to ask them to do something new without taking some other requirement away, though. I suppose we could lose posting at DST. No one's layouts get noticed there unless you are begging for comments in the praise game threads, anyway.
Coming here to bitch, anonymously, without even mentioning who you are bitching about? Makes no sense. It comes off as nothing more than whining about the fact that your designer expects things in return for giving you free product. How dare she! --------
Wow, just wow! You aren't making sense with this statement at all. She didn't come across as whiner and she never once said she expected to do nothing and get something. She did say she hated it when the designer started to ask her to do more than was initially required.
And on top of that, you think we should all learn your fucking language ---------
Do you mean English? It seems to me from your long, disjointed, grammatically incorrect and highly misspelled rant, that English may not be your native language. However, if it is, maybe you should go out and learn it.
Coming here to bitch, anonymously, without even mentioning who you are bitching about? Makes no sense. It comes off as nothing more than whining about the fact that your designer expects things in return for giving you free product. How dare she! --------
Wow, just wow! You aren't making sense with this statement at all. She didn't come across as whiner and she never once said she expected to do nothing and get something. She did say she hated it when the designer started to ask her to do more than was initially required.
Now go and lie down, you sound a little cranky. November 26, 2011 5:55 PM
I'm the OP and thank you for this. I didn't mention who I was referring to because it's not just one person. I've had this happen several times now and it's beyond frustrating. But, based upon your response, I'm guessing you're one of those unreasonable designers who changes her mind every month about her business.
Designers and stores need to really figure out what they're looking for before they have calls. I'm not one of those CTMs who is on 100 teams. I limit myself so I can give 100% to the teams I'm on. So, I do say no when asked to join teams. Then I end up having to leave teams after they change their requirements to all these ridiculous things.
I'm not whining, I'm letting designers and stores know that if you want loyalty and dedication from CTMs, then figure out what you want, be reasonable, and don't change your mind 10 times a year.
What about that is too much to ask of a business owner?
And I don't expect anything for free without working for it. I also buy a lot of products each month because I do limit my CTs and just do that for fun and socialization.
Regarding the vast majority of the last 10-20 comments or so, I always love it when someone rolls through this blog after not reading for a while and decides it's their duty in life to respond to every. last. thing. that's been posted in the past week or two, all at one time. You're having a conversation with yourself, and the rest of us are just looking for new info/news and trying to skip your sudden influx of opinion. Try keeping up, and sticking w/ the conversation as it happens.
You're having a conversation with yourself, and the rest of us are just looking for new info/news and trying to skip your sudden influx of opinion. Try keeping up, and sticking w/ the conversation as it happens. ----------
I always love it when someone rolls through this blog after not reading for a while and decides it's their duty in life to respond to every. last. thing. that's been posted in the past week or two, all at one time. < snip > the rest of us are just looking for new info/news and trying to skip your sudden influx of opinion. -----
I didn't respond to every.last.thing. as I completely ignored the entire two weeks worth of conversation (which is in fact the majority of the conversation in the last 400 or more posts) about SM closing. Is that the new info you were referring too? Lost of influx of opinion there and they said almost exactly the same thing.
I love it when someone feels it's their duty in life to tell the other posters on this blog what they should and shouldn't post and then proceed to speak so authoritatively about what the other posts want.
^^^^^^^^^^ Especially when 90% of their replies are something like "word" or "ditto" or a clapping smiley. I hate clicking on thread after thread, thinking something worthwhile might have been added to the conversation, just to find inane comments like that instead.
I also hate it when someone doesn't check a forum for 3 weeks and then replies to every effing thread that was posted the entire time they were gone. ------------
Especially when 90% of their replies are something like "word" or "ditto" or a clapping smiley. I hate clicking on thread after thread, thinking something worthwhile might have been added to the conversation, just to find inane comments like that instead. -------
This I agree with. I don't care if someone comes to the conversation three weeks later, as long as they contribute to the conversation.
Have you seen how many designer are at that store? Ugh! Including Laura/Princess Lala and Cyndi/Wetfish. I would have thought after the last few fiascoes, they would have been long gone.
Have you seen how many designer are at that store? Ugh! Including Laura/Princess Lala and Cyndi/Wetfish. I would have thought after the last few fiascoes, they would have been long gone. ==================== I know what you mean. That was one of my first stores a couple of years ago but didn't last long. Royanna is full of excuses on everything. I am surprised that place is still open.
Some people are stuck with odd names in real life, but that is because they didn't choose it, but for a design name that would be branded, and can be chosen, I am always surprised by what people might come up with. Does that mean they do not take it seriously? Sorry but it is hard to take seriously someone with a funny name like some of those.
I interrupt the discussion about bad design names to bring you this message:
I continue to be amazed by the number of designers who don't know how to get texture to show up on white (or black) papers & elements. It's not rocket science. Learn your program.
"Commission calculated after PayPal fees are deducted."
This is not how things are normally done AT ALL. That is like the store owner(s) double-dipping. The reason we all pay commission is to cover paypal fees and server fees. 20-25% is more than enough to cover them both. What a rip-off!
I can tell you, from having my own store, that paypal fees average about 7-8% of my total sales every month. So, if you're thinking of going there to sell your designs, figure your commission to be closer to 27-33%. You would be paying one of the highest, if not THE highest, commission rates in the industry.
Couldn't pay me to do it. That is some serious bullshit. I wouldn't even do it for a top-tier, established store, let alone a start-up that might or might not make it, in the long-term.
I would be extremely upset with the owner of Pickleberry Pop right about now....they have been down for over a week - while being promised downtime of only a day or two. The designers missed any weekend sales....glad I'm not there!
Does one really need this many CT members plus guests? http://scraporchard.com/forum/showthread.php/37899-WM-squared-s-Fall-CT! --------
Didn't we have this discussion before? Not with this designer, but about other designers? Why, yes we have. If you look at the description, you'll see that there are three admins, five hybrid CTMs and one CT supervisor. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Here are the details for those who don't have access to the DCR about Me So Scrappy's call:
We are looking for new and veteran designers to join us at Me So Scrappy!
STORE DETAILS Exclusive and Non-Exclusive Contracts Available 80/20 Commission for exclusive designers (personal store allowed) 75/25 Commission for non-exclusive designers (1 store allowed) Commission calculated after Paypal fees are deducted Payments made twice a month
REQUIREMENTS 2 exclusive product releases a month Participation in Store Collabs Gallery/Blog Participation
Me So Scrappy has the worst commission structure I've seen in all my years selling. On top of having to pay Paypal fees, you also need to participate in store collabs - which are designed to pay for site expenses.
Anyone who applies there is clueless, desperate, or both.
Sorry, I agree with OP about that CT. That is 34 CT members, plus 16 guests, if I counted correctly. That does seem like more CT members than usual/necessary.
Wish one of her five(?!) hybrid team members would come CT for me. I don't even have one and have found that spot difficult to fill.
Me So Scrappy has the worst commission structure I've seen in all my years selling. On top of having to pay Paypal fees, you also need to participate in store collabs - which are designed to pay for site expenses.
Anyone who applies there is clueless, desperate, or both.
November 28, 2011 8:01 PM ------- Not only that, but they are forcing non-exclusive designers to pay a higher commission PLUS design exclusive product. In most stores, there is usually a "mid-way" commission option for such a set-up. IE: a rate for straight exclusives, a rate for non-exclusive designers, and a third rate for non-exclusive designers who design exclusive product for that one store (similar to how TDC is set up).
Just seems like they are trying to take advantage of designers who don't know better. But there will be designers who perceive it as a chance to be a part of the "in crowd" who will apply, whether it makes smart money sense or not.
Wish one of her five(?!) hybrid team members would come CT for me. I don't even have one and have found that spot difficult to fill.
^^^^ There are so many good hybrid ladies out there. Maybe you haven't looked in all the right places. If you see a girl that you like send her an email. You never know what will happen.
I thought with all commisions you had to pay the paypal fees? Isn't what you get paid monthly usually after all the fees are taken out? I don't understand how all that works. Thank god I don't design.
Sorry, I agree with OP about that CT. That is 34 CT members, plus 16 guests, if I counted correctly. That does seem like more CT members than usual/necessary.
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If it works for her, good on her. However, I see it as 25 paying customers I don't have anymore.
Just because someone applies for a team does not mean that are loyal customers and buy from you every week. Alot of girls apply to teams for free stuff so they don't have to spend their money.
Just because someone applies for a team does not mean that are loyal customers and buy from you every week. Alot of girls apply to teams for free stuff so they don't have to spend their money. ----
That's why I said 25. Considering it was 34 CTMs, plus 16 guests, which is 50, I figure about half of them would be loyal customers.
Let me ask you this, if the store where you sell at really doesn't have a very active CT team or a very big store team, would you then take on a larger personal team? Or just have less than 10 to do layouts that will get out there for people to see?
What about if the store team cares more about Digiscrapapalooza than scrapping with a designers things? Maybe that is why she has a big team this time around.
What about if the store team cares more about Digiscrapapalooza than scrapping with a designers things? Maybe that is why she has a big team this time around.
November 28, 2011 9:13 PM
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That's weird. Do they get paid to go? You're saying the SO CT doesn't actually scrap?
I think the store got too big and their CT didn't grow with it.
Not only that, but they are forcing non-exclusive designers to pay a higher commission PLUS design exclusive product. In most stores, there is usually a "mid-way" commission option for such a set-up. IE: a rate for straight exclusives, a rate for non-exclusive designers, and a third rate for non-exclusive designers who design exclusive product for that one store (similar to how TDC is set up).
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If you're going to throw around information as though it's fact, at least get your facts straight. TDC requires all products there to be exclusive. You can't put products in the store if they're sold somewhere else.
Not only that, but they are forcing non-exclusive designers to pay a higher commission PLUS design exclusive product. In most stores, there is usually a "mid-way" commission option for such a set-up. IE: a rate for straight exclusives, a rate for non-exclusive designers, and a third rate for non-exclusive designers who design exclusive product for that one store (similar to how TDC is set up).
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If you're going to throw around information as though it's fact, at least get your facts straight. TDC requires all products there to be exclusive. You can't put products in the store if they're sold somewhere else. November 28, 2011 9:35 PM
"No way I'd pay their Paypal fees out of my sales. That's a store expense. "
It is actually not a store expense. It is a cost of doing business - for you, the designer. A store should not have to absorb the cost of paypal fees extracted BEFORE the money ever hits the store's paypal account. You should be building the 2.5% into your product's sale price. My store covers the paypal fees incurred distributing the sales each week so the designers do not have to pay to receive their income, but to expect stores to eat all paypal fees is ludicrous.
Commissions are not just to cover paypal and server fees. They are to cover advertising, maintenance and oh..how about some type of profit for the store owner? Most of us do not wish to work for free. I love my design team, but I am not in this to only see them make income. Considering that most of the headache of running the store you "consign" in belongs to a store owner, I think 25% is a steal.
There is nothing wrong with expecting non-exclusive designers to pay a higher commission. If you are not producing exclusive product, you value is diluted in the market. So, hell yes. If you are not willing to make some type of exclusive product for each store you list in, then it becomes very challenging to sell you and for the store to make money off of you. Your customer base is too spread out and you also begin to compete with yourself with sales, etc.
"This is not how things are normally done AT ALL. That is like the store owner(s) double-dipping. The reason we all pay commission is to cover paypal fees and server fees. 20-25% is more than enough to cover them both. What a rip-off!"
Really? It is impossible for a store owner to "double dip" on money they never see. The paypal transaction fees never reach the store's paypal account - they are deducted by paypal at the time of each sale. The balance is then deposited in the store paypal account. That is what the store receives and that is what you should be charged a commission against. A rip off would be if the store charged you commission on the list price. Not the other way around.
If you're going to throw around information as though it's fact, at least get your facts straight. TDC requires all products there to be exclusive. You can't put products in the store if they're sold somewhere else. November 28, 2011 9:35 PM
---- She did say SIMILAR, not exactly.
November 28, 2011 9:55 PM ------- Yes, thank you 9:55. I knew it wasn't exactly how TDC was, but I was trying to draw a correlation.
I guess a better example would be Funky Playground? My understanding from a friend is that they have the three contract options like I wrote, and there is a unique commission rate for each option. I don't sell there, though, so I don't know what the rates are.
Hey, 9:35, go to bed! I think you are grouchy and need to get some extra sleep tonight, or something!
There is nothing wrong with expecting non-exclusive designers to pay a higher commission. If you are not producing exclusive product, you value is diluted in the market. So, hell yes. If you are not willing to make some type of exclusive product for each store you list in, then it becomes very challenging to sell you and for the store to make money off of you. Your customer base is too spread out and you also begin to compete with yourself with sales, etc.
November 28, 2011 10:03 PM **** Spoken like an "exclusive" snob who doesn't have a freaking clue what she is talking about.
I guess it would surprise you to find out that I sell in three stores and make about the same money in each store, then? I have no problem appealing to the unique customer base in each of my stores. And I don't "compete with myself with sales" because if I have a sale in one store, the exact same sale is matched in my other two.
Your argument is ass-backwards and is only spouted by snobby "exclusive" designers who think their shit doesn't stink and store owners who seek to limit the earning potential of designers to just what can be made under their own roof. I am grateful the three stores I sell in embrace non-exclusive designers, that is for sure.
And for the record, I don't mind paying a higher commission for the right to be non-exclusive. I don't know who said that or what you are ranting about because no where above did I see anyone saying that. What I would not do is pay the paypal fees on top of an already higher commission. I agree with all these previous posts that MSS is out of their minds with that plan. It is definitely not customary in most stores I've ever seen.
A rip off would be if the store charged you commission on the list price. Not the other way around.
November 28, 2011 10:11 PM
------------ Yes, but that is exactly the point! My store charges my commission based on the total amount of sales, (or the gross, before fees) as reported in Xcart. NOT on the sales less any paypal fees deducted (the net). Naturally, when a store takes commission on the gross sales, the commission is higher than it would be if they were to figure it on the net sales.
I know of no store that figures the commission percentage on the net sales. They all figure it on the gross sales amount. So, if a store was to charge commission on the gross sale amount, then pay the designer the net from Paypal less the commission figured on the gross total...well, maybe double-dipping is the wrong term for it, as the person above used it. But, at the very least, it would be unethical. I can say for certain that I would want no part of any store that was run in such a way.
I know of no store that figures the commission percentage on the net sales. They all figure it on the gross sales amount.
You may not know of any, but there are some. The first two stores I sold in did that - paid me my commission AFTER paypal fees ... so if the store got 1.75 after paypal fees on a 1.99 item I got my 75% on the 1.75, not the 1.99.
When I stumbled on a store that did NOT deduct fees before taking commissions it seems so generous. Now I'd never go back to a store that does it the other way.
Your argument is ass-backwards and is only spouted by snobby "exclusive" designers who think their shit doesn't stink and store owners who seek to limit the earning potential of designers to just what can be made under their own roof. I am grateful the three stores I sell in embrace non-exclusive designers, that is for sure. ------
You are sounding a bit snobby yourself. I don't care about exclusivity, or not, but don't sit there and talk about people thinking their shit doesn't stink, when you are coming across in exactly the same way.
The discussion on comission is very interesting. I sell at one store that figures comission off the gross. The other deducts the paypal fees and figures the comission off the net. I didn't like it at first either, but I sell there because of who else sells there (ie: close friends). I think the trend seems to be more and more towards deducting the paypal fees because store owners realize that they were losing money on low $ amount sales by not deducting the fees first. The paypal fee on a $1 sale is $0.32 so the store is eating $0.07 - $0.12. If the store is on micropayments that is minimized but micropayments is not the best fee structure for every store.
So a question - How would you feel if the store offered higher commission but deducted the paypal fees?
I'm also a multi-store designer and typically do $1400-1600/month in sales - PART TIME. I have spoken to several exclusive designers who don't even do half of that in a big month like November. I don't believe that's true of all exclusive designers. I'm sure SSD designers do way better than I do.
There are a bunch of us multi-store designers who do very well for each store we're in. Exclusive stores can stay snooty and keep their little fancy soccer moms. I'd rather do this and actually make money - for me and the store owners. Not cruise forums like my shit doesn't stink.
As for Me So Scrappy and the Paypal fees, all that says to me is they're aiming LOW. That sort of thinking indicates they don't believe their sales will be high enough volume to make money. So, all you $100/month designers or less are the reason I see that shift happening (and I've read that's most of you). Good job.
Personally I think a designer can sell equally well exclusively or non-exclusively. I think that how well a designer sells her product depends most heavily on how well she/he markets herself. I think that if you are relying on the store's marketing alone to sell you, you aren't going to make even half what you could by making your personal marketing top priority no matter how many stores you sell in. But if that is how you work, it does make sense to the designer to sell non-exclusively.
If I were a store owner, which I'm not, there is no way I'd allow my designers to be non-exclusive to my store. Every store owner is going to have to do relatively the same amount of work for the store. It's going to take the same amount of time to coordinate sales, pay out designers, market products, create newsletters, answer customer service inquiries, maintain the site, etc. for a site with non-exclusive designers as it will for a site with exclusive designers. The difference is, the exclusive store owner gets the commission for all of the sales on each product, where the non-exclusive owner gets 1/2 or 1/3 of the total product's sales commission. I don't blame store owners for not being willing to accept that.
When you really break down how much a store owner is making, after paying for hosting, marketing, PayPal fees, etc. it isn't much. As a store owner, it makes sense to maximize that by requiring exclusivity.
Your argument is ass-backwards and is only spouted by snobby "exclusive" designers who think their shit doesn't stink and store owners who seek to limit the earning potential of designers to just what can be made under their own roof. I am grateful the three stores I sell in embrace non-exclusive designers, that is for sure. ------
1:27 sounds like Connie Prince.
November 29, 2011 6:03 AM
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Yeah I was gonna say... that's not Connie, that's Tracy.
Well, I am 1:27 and you're all wrong because I'm neither Tracy or Connie (thank god). If you are going to try and figure out who an anonymous poster is, try and do a better job. I said I had three stores and last I bothered to look, I think they were both in a bunch more than that.
Why is it that anytime an argument comes up in favor of being non-exclusive everyone here automatically pins it on Connie Prince or Trixie Scraps? You all act as if they are the only non-exclusive designers in the industry.
I'm just a customer and I have only bought from them a handful of times. I'm around their stores enough to form an opinion, though. All I see are two designers who really work at what they do. They release new products every week and both promote themselves well, but not so much as to annoy me. As a customer, I've always felt treated well by both of them. I don't get your issues. But someone (or a couple someones) seem to enjoy blaming every thing they don't like on those two. Why all the hate?
It wasn't a commentary on how they run their business and whether or not they do a good job at designing. Some people really like their designs and that's just fine.
They are well known for being in multiple stores and had to leave SM when it went exclusive. There was a spat over that because they were in the process of buying Elemental Scraps.
So, you are saying the people who post negatively here about them are former SM designers who had a disagreement with them?
I don't need to chill out. I just wanted to understand why some here have a very different opinion or impression than I do.
November 29, 2011 12:27 PM
Wow! Be very careful on some of those leaps you make.
No, they are known for being in multiple stores because they left SM for that very reason. That is all. So, it is a guess that it is the whenever someone defends not being exclusive. It's also a leap to assume that anyone defending selling in more than one store is one of them. But they are very well known designers.
The impression was only in relationship to exclusivity and not to their designs or overall business practice.
So, you are saying the people who post negatively here about them are former SM designers who had a disagreement with them?
Nope. It could be any designer who believes being in more than one store hurts the store and the other designers they are working with. Connie, Tracy, and Mye have been very successful at working in multiple stores so they get picked on when this topic comes up. Any posts defending non-exlusive stores are assumed to be one of them posting.
Mine are personal use as well. Not sure how me more than doubling yours while also being exclusive proves your anything though. November 29, 2011 10:29 AM
I believe she said that not ALL exclusive designer will make less than her. That some will make more. Can anyone actually read on this blog?
I'd love to know which store you sell at exclusively where you regularly make over $3000/month selling PU products. Since the OP said she's sure SSD designers sell more than her, I assume you don't sell at SSD.
There are a bunch of us multi-store designers who do very well for each store we're in. Exclusive stores can stay snooty and keep their little fancy soccer moms. I'd rather do this and actually make money - for me and the store owners. Not cruise forums like my shit doesn't stink. --------
Yet another hypocritical multi store designer. Tell me, are you all like this or are you just the first poster reposting? You sure do sound the same.
1:40: There was NOTHING in my post that proved the point she was trying to make. It didn't disprove her either, but it certainly did NOT prove anything she said. Read it again honey. Maybe your comprehension will improve. Mien was fine first time round.
Technically, saying you make more than her does prove what she was saying (that not all exclusive designer will make less), but it's all pretty stupid.
I notice you didn't say where you sell, either. Typical.
I just cannot see how a store owner would ever want to eat that much in paypal fees. It can easily add up to hundreds of dollars a month if you are paying designer commissions on the gross list price and then covering their paypal fees when you distribute the sales income to them. Why should a store ever owe a designer commission on money the store never earns?
You store owners here are doing an admirable job of trying to sell your case. But, I think you make more money than you want the designers to think you make.
I am a former store owner. As long as the whole transaction (single or multiple designer) was over $2, I ate the paypal fees. I just chocked it up to being a part of the business expense.
You store owners here are doing an admirable job of trying to sell your case. But, I think you make more money than you want the designers to think you make.
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I really doubt it. With the amount of work running a tore takes, often 60+ hours a week, the amount of hosting stores pay (a couple hundred a month) ... I think most store owners are making pennies per hour (large stores excluded of course)
I like what someone said here - why should a store pay you commission on money they never received?
I've sold many things over the years - from kitchenware to e-books through affiliate programs to cleaning products ... on every single thing, the commission is based on net, not gross. I'm really not sure why anyone would think that expecting commissions on gross is reasonable.
At 5:41: After seeing the evidence of your reading comprehension skills and the application of the information derived, what you think of me hardly ranks on any list of value. As for where I work, I have never responded well to demands. Not going to start now. It'll be amusing to read the guesses anyway.
I sell tangible art at commission and it's less than 75% and I pay fees.
Why would a store owner pay for your fees, when they never see that money in the first place?
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Clearly those of you who make comments like this have never been a store owner. So I'll break it down for you. All payments for purchases at a store come into the store's PayPal account. Fees are taken by PayPal before it ever reaches our hands. So yes, we never see that money. Neither does the designer. And to whoever (above) said it equals 7-8% of your monthly gross, you're high. PayPal either charges 2.9% + 0.30 per transaction, or if you use micropayments (which most big shops don't) then it's 5% + 0.05 per transaction. That's it.
As for how commissions are figured/paid: if I charge my designers 20% (for the sake of this argument) of the product's original price, and I only lost 3%-ish to PayPal (again, estimate for the sake of this argument), that leaves me with 17% to pay shop expenses, advertising, server fees, etc. It's not a lot, after all is said and done, but it's enough to make it worthwhile if you own a shop that has enough traffic.
The reason I would never charge my designers their PayPal fees and then also charge commission on top of that? Mainly, it's easier for the sake of bookkeeping to just use the price of the item, which is how xcart does the report. It would be a nightmare to sit down each pay period and figure out how much to subtract from each product for PayPal first, and then charge commission on that. So commission rates are derived with the knowledge of what PayPal charges, and those fees are built into the commission. Easier for everyone.
designers: anyone else look through the blog train previews in photobucket (posted in the DCR) yet? OMG there are some really really bad minis getting ready to be set free tomorrow morning. I looked through all of the previews just now (there are 82) and I would only download 3 of them. maybe 5, to use 1-2 elements from a couple and discard the rest, but that's it. it makes no sense either because IMO this was the easiest palette to work with in recent history and in fact, I was regretting not signing up until just now when I saw what would be associated with it.
At 5:41: After seeing the evidence of your reading comprehension skills and the application of the information derived, what you think of me hardly ranks on any list of value. As for where I work, I have never responded well to demands. Not going to start now. It'll be amusing to read the guesses anyway. November 30, 2011 7:17 AM
My guess would be Flergs - the most arrogant bitch in digi.
My guess would be Flergs - the most arrogant bitch in digi. ------------ SO glad to hear I'm not the only one! She thinks her shit doesn't stink. Lots will come and say how 'sweet' she is. I've worked with her, she really isn't that sweet.
I don't feel sorry for any shop owner who is making pennies an hour. If it's not profitable, then CLOSE. It's really that easy.
The 3% (est) that Paypal costs a shop can also be deducted as a business expense, so a shop can recoup some of that as well at the end of the year. Along with other costs of doing business (such as hosting, web services, etc).
Zencart, however, is set up so you can figure the paypal fees out before comission. So I guess it depends on what you are using as to how much of a pain that is.
It would be interesting to know if Zencart vs. Xcart does have an affect on whether paypal fees are taken first. I know my Xcart store does not and my Zencart store does. I'm willing to bet that it's mostly Zencart stores who do because I can understand why no one would want to do that amount of extra work, it wouldn't be worth the money you were saving.
My guess would be Flergs - the most arrogant bitch in digi. ------------ SO glad to hear I'm not the only one! She thinks her shit doesn't stink. Lots will come and say how 'sweet' she is. I've worked with her, she really isn't that sweet.
November 30, 2011 8:26 AM
--------------- Might just be your problem, since you seem to think you are above everyone else. Megs is one of the nicest people I met. You do get what you give out in this world and if you give out the hell you spat here, well... nuff said.
Might just be your problem, since you seem to think you are above everyone else. Megs is one of the nicest people I met. You do get what you give out in this world and if you give out the hell you spat here, well... nuff said. November 30, 2011 10:00 AM
Yes. I'm sure you're completely without fault and have never said anything nasty to anyone or about anyone in your entire life. Watch out Mother Teresa, you have some competition.
Just looked at the previews for the December blog train now. Saw a few I liked: Luv Ewe's alpha can be used for a lot of things, Wishing Well Creations mini is cute, and Key of D Designs alpha is good for holiday layouts. The rest: Blech. My personal fave is the one that includes both a fairy and a rat/mouse eating his tail. It's exactly what I've had on my wish list!
I looked thru the previews and judging only from the previews, I would download the following:
--Willow Grace Designs (to have some basic solids papers to use) --Eyeinspire (same) --Luv Ewe (nice alpha) --Tracie Stroud (maybe? just to use 2-3 papers: maybe just the blue damask) --Wishing Well (entire mini kit looks adorable & useful) --Oceanwide (just the stitching, frame, & tag, the rest looks awful) --Blue Heart Scraps (for 1-2 papers and a couple elements) --Snips & Snails (maybe a couple of elements, nothing else, but want to see quality up close first, looks iffy) --Dawn by Design (papers look nice & I like the word art stamp) --Mandy King (maybe for the stickers at lower right only, the rest looks hideous) --Ruby Lane (the light string might be cute) --Digidiroo (cute glittery alpha)
That is it for me. The rest either doesn't follow the palette, looks questionable in quality, or looks amateurish. --
Yes. I'm sure you're completely without fault and have never said anything nasty to anyone or about anyone in your entire life. Watch out Mother Teresa, you have some competition. -----
She never said she was without fault. Learn to read instead of assuming or reading what you want to see. Not the OP, not Flergs, just tired of people like you who see offense in every single thing
I was referring to the comment about shit not stinking, that's the third time this has been said in about two days.
November 30, 2011 4:51 PM ======================== OK, you are an absolute idiot. That is a common colloquialism. Just because it has been said a handful of times in the past few days, doesn't mean it's the same person saying it each time.
Might want to think about what you post in the future lest you make yourself sound this stupid again.
Might want to think about what you post in the future lest you make yourself sound this stupid again. ----
You might want to do the same. At least I don't have to use common colloquialisms to get my point across; I can think of my own things to say, nor do I feel the need to insult anyone while I'm doing it.
There is no slide show link that I am aware of. I looked at the previews in the Photobucket account, which is linked to from the DCR at DST. So if you have access to that forum, you can see the previews. Otherwise you will have to wait until the blog train goes live tomorrow morning sometime.
I am just an average scrapper, not a designer. I am not active on any CT's, although I have been in the past. I am not active in any "scrapbook community", I don't post on the message boards, and I don't post my layouts online anymore. I read the Digi boards for entertainment, and am constantly amazed at what people share on the internet. I freely admit to reading the scrapbook smack blogs, it is a guilty pleasure.
You can email me at: DSTHallofFame@gmail.com
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and that would be one boring store. all the same basic style...boring color schemes...good thing you are NOT a store owner. no one would come to see your stuff. what you did was create another Sweet Shoppe. Sheesh.
Not the OP here, but let's do it this way to get some variety...
If you were a store owner and got to pick 3 designers for each category, who would you bring into your shop?
*Shabby Style Designers
*Bright/Playful Style Designers
*Doodled Style Designers
*Fantasy/Realistic Style Designers
and also
*Designers w/ Best Personalities/Interactions w/ Customers & Community
*Designers who lead Drama-Free Digi-Existences
...am I forgetting any important categories?
Whoops I forgot one category:
*Clean Lines/Graphic Style Designers
Ditto this. Furthermore, knowing she has strong ties in the past to a website known for digital piracy would send me running in the other direction (sprinting, actually) if I were a designer. Do I want my designs in a shop where the owner has full access to my downloads, and has a history on the Baby Gaga site? HELL NO!
November 22, 2011 11:34 AM
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If it is something someone is willing to post publically and that someone is so concerned, they can always email the designers. I'm wondering if anyone is stepping up to the plate on that one?
I'm not concerned. They probably read this blog. If they don't, they should.
and that would be one boring store. all the same basic style...boring color schemes...good thing you are NOT a store owner. no one would come to see your stuff. what you did was create another Sweet Shoppe. Sheesh.
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Well, it is my dream store, not yours. Who would you have?
Maybe the category of *Designer resources* and I am thinking of actions/scripts/presets/styles/fonts, or other type of useful resources.
So here's the list to complete, if you want to play along w/ our dream store game:
*Shabby Style Designers:
*Bright/Playful Style Designers:
*Doodled Style Designers:
*Fantasy/Realistic Style Designers:
*Clean Lines/Graphic Style Designers:
*CU Designers / Designer Resources:
*Designers w/ Best Personalities/Interactions w/ Customers & Community:
*Designers who lead Drama-Free Digi-Existences:
*Designers who lead Drama-Free Digi-Existences:
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LMAO!!!! That will be a small store.
oh don't be dramatic. there are some who don't stir the pot... and if I were a store owner, I'd want to know who they are and fill my store with them.
Who do you guys think make the best styles?
there are some who don't stir the pot... and if I were a store owner, I'd want to know who they are and fill my store with them.
November 22, 2011 2:11 PM
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Interesting. You are looking for those that don't stir the pot, yet here you are on this blog which is known for pot-stirin' and shit slingin'.
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Oh please, anyone who's been around this industry for a while knows that this blog is a good place to read the pulse of the industry and find out everything you can't find out at DST. Doesn't mean that everyone here reading this blog is shit-slinging and pot-stirring.
It's the designers (of which there are MANY) who unleash the drama out in the open that I'd want to avoid. This can be as severe as Alyssa/Studio Demo/whatever the hell she's calling herself now... or as innocuous as a designer who can't meet deadlines b/c she always, always, always has some IRL drama that keeps her from being reliable.
And then, there are the designers who are polite, drama-free, meet deadlines, and don't make their IRL problems everyone elses. We all know some of these. So have at it... who are they?
There was that whole 9th&B fiasco, but I think Lizzy and Holly retired? What ended up happening after they closed? Alyssa must have been thrilled to hear this.
Plus, the whole SM thing. WHAT is happening with that? Are they staying open or what?
SM - They are apparently staying open... yet the designer list keeps dwindling. Good riddance.
9th & Bloom - I thought I had heard they were opening a new site? But seems most of their designers have moved on.
Lizzy is back at Scrap Orchard (not selling). Until the next breeze comes along...
What is she doing at SO if she isn't selling? I never knew she was at SO before 9&B. Thought it was CS and Shabby Pickle.
What is she doing at SO if she isn't selling?
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Scrapping and chatting. Isn't that terrible?
Good one! :)
WTF is up w/ Victoria Feemster's weird obsession with adding staples and brads to pieces of paper & ribbons and extracting them and calling them CU? Does anyone really buy these products?
http://www.sugarhillco.com/shop/CU-Frames-10/
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LOL. I do that, but not CU. WTH? Why would someone buy that as CU?
I didn't know if she was doing Admin behind the scenes. That is why I asked.
WTF is up w/ Victoria Feemster's weird obsession with adding staples and brads to pieces of paper & ribbons and extracting them and calling them CU? Does anyone really buy these products?
http://www.sugarhillco.com/shop/CU-Frames-10/
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Apparently people buy them or she wouldn't have multiple sets. So, if someone apparently wants them, why not? Not something I would buy, but whatever floats your boat.
How many times has Captivated Visions used the same color palette as on her DST feature kit? http://www.digishoptalk.com/index.php
And before you say I'm lazy for not figuring it out myself I don't really care how many times I'm being sarcastic.
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I buy from her consistently and have never seen this palette before. So maybe you should go check before you stick your foot in your mouth. Similar is not the same.
It looks almost like her My Project kits. Maybe she used the same palette but changed out 1 or 2colors.
Maybe it is a little similar, I don't have the gold kit so can't compare up close. But it does not look the same as the My Project kits to me. The colors are similar though, I do agree.
http://dreamlanddigitaldesigns.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_181_182&products_id=2864
somebody please....tell me what in the hell anyone would EVER use these for??? OMG, ROFL!!!
About the CT requirements: I find it interesting that this industry has become so saturated, catty, and competitive that most of the customers are looking for free and easy. Designers work damn hard on their kits and just because some snotty CT's want to bitch about anyone expecting anything of them besides one layout they can through together, is a little selfish and lazy. If all a designer needed were and a handful of sample layouts, we could do them ourselves while we got the kit pieces up and ready to go anyway. It's amazing how people apply for CT's, bragging about how much they love their stuff, and all but beg to be on your team, then they get on, whip out a few layouts, then disappear with a few extra kits they never did anything with. You send them e-mails and they don't bother to reply, then THEY have the nerve to go bitching on the blogs. I know a designer who said she sent something to her team explaining some new marketing strategies and asked if anyone were interested or if they knew anyone who was. She even offered to pay them and not expect layouts. It was mandatory for everyone, just putting out feelings to see if anyone was. But when a designer sees her team hanging out on Facebook all damn day long, but can't bother to check in to their CT forum, then maybe that person would rather be posting and chatting than creating layouts. What's wrong with that? I know everyone has lives. We all have lives. and we are all trying to get by and hopefully make or save a little money doing what we love. So why not one had wash another? And did you ever stop to think that if a designer's requirements are changing, that maybe that means her business is growing? And that's a good thing. There are so many people out there who are just freebie whores and bitch if they are expected to lift a finger, wait 30 seconds for a zip to download, and just generally point the finger at anyone else who's shoulders they could crawl on to step up the ladder of their our egos. Why must it all be so shitty? I'm telling ya... I'm about to let most of my team go and do most of it myself because it's a hellava lot easier not to have to babysit their asses anyway. Personally, I get more help from other designers than team members. And I don't expect something from nothing. I'm not demanding, they have easy timelines, and if they're spending their days hanging out on Facebook and stuff anyway, then why not pay them to post a few things here and there while they're at it? I don't expect something for nothing. And I give in return. Big Christmas bonuses coming up too, so quit your bitching. If you want to get something for nothing, go hang out with the illegals in the welfare lines and you can all get free food, free medical, free homes, and won't have to do shit else but bitch about how unfair it is that we won't all just pick up your tab of life and a half dozen more anchor babies. And on top of that, you think we should all learn your fucking language just to accomodate you lazy asses who want free rides. My team isn't going to be a free ride, nor do I expect them to feel that way. I love my team, and if at any time they don't want to do something, I'm fine with that. Thank God I have a great team! I guess I'm lucky not to have whiners on my team.
I'm about to let most of my team go and do most of it myself because it's a hellava lot easier not to have to babysit their asses anyway. Personally, I get more help from other designers than team members. And I don't expect something from nothing. I'm not demanding, they have easy timelines, and if they're spending their days hanging out on Facebook and stuff anyway.
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I love my team, and if at any time they don't want to do something, I'm fine with that. Thank God I have a great team! I guess I'm lucky not to have whiners on my team.
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Your post makes no sense. You are going to let them go but you love them? Huh?
And there is this key on the side of your keyboard called "enter". It makes these wonderful things called paragraphs that might make your rant sound less idiotic.
I won't address the other moronic thing you said. The only thing that we agree on is that CT shouldn't just get kits for nothing. But you sure makes some huge leaps in that post there.
gee I hate to interrupt this fascinating CT rant..but out of curiousity I peeked in at SM...they are down to TEN designers. oh, but right - they aren't closing. OK.
If it is something someone is willing to post publically and that someone is so concerned, they can always email the designers. I'm wondering if anyone is stepping up to the plate on that one?
^^ what kind of stepping up would you like to see? Designers in With Love Studio have been warned by email. Threads have been started in the public part and the private part of DST (but are always deleted.) A steady pressure is put on via this blog. I think that's a good way to get the word out to designers about getting into business with this psychopath. If you have other ideas I'd love to hear them.
Alyssa deleted collab files - for store collabs - that effects every single designer in the store. She did it to a store she was mad at, and she did it to other stores who had no beef with her but she used to sell there so she had collab login information.
Fine, maybe as a scapper you don't want to know - but designers should want to know who their new 'boss' is and what she is capable of.
gee I hate to interrupt this fascinating CT rant..but out of curiousity I peeked in at SM...they are down to TEN designers. oh, but right - they aren't closing. OK.
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...soon to be 9. Elise's Pieces is staying at TDC after her "guest spot" in November.
http://dreamlanddigitaldesigns.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_181_182&products_id=2864
somebody please....tell me what in the hell anyone would EVER use these for??? OMG, ROFL!!!
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way less pointless than Victoria Feemster's stapled paper that someone posted above, but I will admit that the doodles are a little strange
I am the OP of being sick of CT demands and the long rant above is just what I mean!
I am NOT one of those CTMs who spends her life on Facebook. I like a few games and looking at photos my friends post, but I logon once or twice a week.
I work for my designers. I put all my effort into each page to feature and highlight the kit as best I can. I don't just "through" [sic] something together! Sometimes I spend hours on one page editing my photos and getting everything just right. Then I spend even longer posting it into galleries, enabling, etc.
I do that for each kit they make a month. Sometimes that's 8-10 hours a month for just a few kits. And then they have the nerve to ask for MORE of my time so we can market THEIR business???
I'm sorry the designer above has people on her team that she feels the need to stalk on Facebook to babysit. I guess if the designer asking about marketing because she doesn't have any time spent less of her time checking up on people, she might have more time for her BUSINESS.
I'm sorry the designer above has people on her team that she feels the need to stalk on Facebook to babysit. I guess if the designer asking about marketing because she doesn't have any time spent less of her time checking up on people, she might have more time for her BUSINESS.
November 23, 2011 6:58 AM
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This!
As a designer, I've found CTMs help those who help themselves. Asking your CT to do almost everything for you (marketing, freebies, etc), just creates unhappy, uncreative, burned out and downright disgruntled CTMs.
So, if you don't like how your CT is acting and actually (scarily) feel the need to check-up on them, perhaps you ought to point that finger back at yourself.
As a designer, I've found CTMs help those who help themselves. Asking your CT to do almost everything for you (marketing, freebies, etc), just creates unhappy, uncreative, burned out and downright disgruntled CTMs.
So, if you don't like how your CT is acting and actually (scarily) feel the need to check-up on them, perhaps you ought to point that finger back at yourself.
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I couldn't agree more. I have a great CT and maybe the fact that I do all the job to market my products and let them be what their title is "Creative".
I will never put pressure on them and require them to work on products. I have a multi cultural team and some don't do Christmas Thanksgiving or even Halloween.
I think if you feel that you need to stalk your team maybe if you spent that time marketing, showing off your products your sales would grow.
YOU are the designer YOU are the one who should work your ass off to sell your products not them.
Fine, maybe as a scapper you don't want to know - but designers should want to know who their new 'boss' is and what she is capable of
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That was my point. Email the designers. The poster I was responding to was concerned about the designers. If they have been contacted then why haven't they jumped ship?
ugh. I hated the posting on FB requirement. None of my FB friends scrapbook. The digi people that wanted to by my friend were already on my team. So that was pointless. I'm not on any teams because of the facebook issue. I'll just buy my stuff.
I think the FB requirement is absurd. If my CT *wants* to post to their FB, great. But to require it, doesn't make any sense - especially when their friends are just that - friends and not digi people.
To the post who said they are not on teams because of that, maybe ask if you can post to an additional gallery or two instead? I can't imagine a designer being that unreasonable.
^Well, I don't want to seem argumentative to the designer because then they end up ranting about it like crazy designer a few post back. ;)
I'm better off not being a CTM. I get to scrap with the stuff I buy. I can't think of any designer that I love everything they create. If I don't love it, I don't want to scrap with it.
As a designer I don't require my team to advertise for me. All I ask for is a page from my new kits to use in my own advertising. I do all of my marketing myself. I understand that for some people, the price of a new kit isn't worth the time it takes to scrap the page, make a qp or other freebie, advertise in 10+ galleries, blog about it, etc etc. And I agree with the person who said that her Facebook friends are just friends. Not customers. Some scrappers like to post their pages on Facebook though, so everyone is different.
However, if a designer you ct for puts all of that as a requirement in her call, and then you apply, you have the responsibility to do those things. Otherwise it's like applying for a job as a cook at McDonalds, and then refusing to make french fries, because you think frying food in addition to cooking burgers is too much work for the level of pay.
Also I just wanted to mention, because I have such a low requirement for my team, I end up having to keep a very large team. It makes sure that I get enough exposure without having to overwork or micromanage my team members. I'm just pointing that out because it seems there is always someone here on this blog who likes to complain about designers with large teams. For me, it's the only way to make sure I get enough exposure without having to become a slave driver.
YOU are the designer YOU are the one who should work your ass off to sell your products not them.
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Amen, sister.`
I don't get this whole CT argument. Different designers will require different tasks of their CT, according to their needs. That doesn't make one designer's requirements "better" than someone else's, it just makes them different.
However, YOU as a CT member get to decide if you can live with those requirements. If you don't like or can't handle what is being asked of you, no one is forcing you to stay on that designer's team. Go CT for someone with less requirements.
Coming here to bitch, anonymously, without even mentioning who you are bitching about? Makes no sense. It comes off as nothing more than whining about the fact that your designer expects things in return for giving you free product. How dare she!
However, YOU as a CT member get to decide if you can live with those requirements. If you don't like or can't handle what is being asked of you, no one is forcing you to stay on that designer's team. Go CT for someone with less requirements.
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I have been on teams that upped the requirements a couple months after I joined. So that changes what I signed up for and makes it not really my choice other than to leave the team. And the designer wasn't happy because I agree to a six month term on one of the teams.
Well, it's just my opinion, but in that case, I don't think you did anything wrong. If the designer is going to change her terms/requirements in the middle of a six-month commitment, then you should have the right to leave if you don't like the new terms. I wouldn't say she was wrong for changing her terms, but she was wrong for expecting you to stay the full six months once she did, especially if you weren't happy with the changes.
I have made revisions to my team expectations in the past, but I always do it when it's time for everyone to "recommit" to a new contract. And I introduce the changes before asking them if they will stay or not, giving them an option to decide whether or not they can live with/abide by the new terms.
As a designer, sometimes you have to make changes to accomodate a growing business. In the process, you need to understand that it won't work for all the people. But that still doesn't make it wrong to make changes or have more expectations. The only thing that is wrong is when a designer won't accept it when someone leaves because of the changes.
Is Digi Doodle Doo's stuff any good? I'm interested in these: http://www.digiscrapwarehouse.com/xcart/commercial-use-product/DDDooDeckHallsCUdoods.html
I'm a designer and I require my CT to post layout to MY faceboook fanpage. It's no different than posting to my store galleries. I don't ask that they post on their personal pages.
Why require facebook? Because it's the single most powerful tool out there. I'd choose it over posting to my galleries any day.
I'm a designer and I require my CT to post layout to MY faceboook fanpage. It's no different than posting to my store galleries. I don't ask that they post on their personal pages.
Why require facebook? Because it's the single most powerful tool out there. I'd choose it over posting to my galleries any day.
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I can understand that, but why don't YOU upload the layouts to YOUR Facebook? It's no different than uploading them to YOUR product listings.
I can understand that, but why don't YOU upload the layouts to YOUR Facebook? It's no different than uploading them to YOUR product listings.
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It is different - facebook edge rank has to do with how many other peopel interact with my page, not how many photos I myself upload - and edge rank effects where I show up on people's feeds (since it's not chronological).
Is Digi Doodle Doo's stuff any good? I'm interested in these: http://www.digiscrapwarehouse.com/xcart/commercial-use-product/DDDooDeckHallsCUdoods.html
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yes, they are quite good.
Geek Chic is retiring. Didn't she already do that a bit ago?
Who gives a shit? Her stuff was terrible.
A whopping *EIGHT* SM new releases
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That's six more than last week.
Waiting for them to have a designer call to see who is dumb enough to apply.
Anyone digi-shopping for Black Friday?
Waiting for them to have a designer call to see who is dumb enough to apply.
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I'd apply only so I can tell them no.
10 months ago, I would have loved to appl to SM. Now, not so much.
seriously they still have a loyal following. I am not applying there but you have a built in clientele. It wouldn't be the worse thing in the world. Mind you that is if they went non-exclusive...wouldn't encourage anyone to put all their eggs in that one basket. But could be worse things then a built in client base
I am doubtful that client base will stick around. First, I used to be one of them... and haven't shopped there much at all in recent months (especially since this entire debacle took place). Second, no client base will stay loyal forever to designers who can only muster 8 new releases a week, especially on Black Friday??? Come on. Embarrassing. And third, I sell at one of the shops that their designers have flooded in the past month, and I can tell you that it's not just the designers who have shown up. The CTs have come with them, and many of the customers are in our forum now, too. SM is dying a slow death. So dumb of Andilynn to drag it out like this.
So who the fuck are you? Post your name then cowardly bitch. I love SM, they've been such a friendly community
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Wow, if you are an example of the friendly community, I don't want to be there.
I comment on ALL my LOs. As long as I can find them (in my gallery). I think designers who do not find 45 minutes a week to comment and connect with a customer is sad.
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Absolutely agree with this. I'm just a customer of Sherrie JD and she has a fan for life in me. I've only made a few pages with her products, but she took the time out to comment on each of those pages. There have been other designers who have done the same in the past, but sadly they have retired. One of them even commented on my blog, because that was the only place I had uploaded the page too.
Um, you haven't been around for long, maybe? Freebies yes whole kits have been a trend in digi since it first began and everyone was saying that freebies would kill the industry. It hasn't happened yet.
And I'm talking whole kits! Have you every heard of Shabby Princess? I don't think offering freebies killed her sales.
Just saying it isn't a new trend. And it isn't that big of deal.
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Absolutely agree.
Do you think paying designers late most months is serious? What about if the owner is ill? Note she still posts in the forums and makes new releases!
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Yes, no excuses. I was once in a store where the owner paid us late every pay, which was once every two weeks. I left after two months.
If an owner is ill, she needs to appoint someone to do the admin in her place. If the illness is sudden, then yeah, one pay being late is acceptable, but not every pay afterwards.
I personally think what designers and stores are asking from their CTs are ridiculous. I would never agree to such absurd amount of work. But if you agreed to it in the first place, then why complain now?
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Not the OP, but she did specifically say she was brought on to scrap, only to have other work pushed onto her later. So, she didn't agree to it in the first place and has every right to complain. Some designers are up front with their expectations of CTMs and others are not.
Thank God I have a great team! I guess I'm lucky not to have whiners on my team.
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That's because there's only room for one whiner and that would be you. What an incredibly long rant, which says very little.
Big Christmas bonuses coming up too, so quit your bitching. If you want to get something for nothing, go hang out with the illegals in the welfare lines and you can all get free food, free medical, free homes, and won't have to do shit else but bitch about how unfair it is that we won't all just pick up your tab of life and a half dozen more anchor babies. And on top of that, you think we should all learn your fucking language just to accomodate you lazy asses who want free rides.
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What the hell does this have to do with CTing? Or Designing? Or Scrapping?
Why not go and hang out at Hot Topics at DST, you'd fit in beautifully with some of the ignorant, bigoted posters in there.
I hated the posting on FB requirement.
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Me too and the blog one. It's my blog, my personal blog, not the designer's business blog by default because I happen to CT for them. Ugh!!
The only thing that is wrong is when a designer won't accept it when someone leaves because of the changes.
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Agreed. I've had designers change their terms and they've always said, if you aren't happy, please let me know and we'll see what we can work out. Sometimes that might mean leaving the team, other times it might mean doing something else for the designer that I can agree to.
I'm a designer and I require my CT to post layout to MY faceboook fanpage. It's no different than posting to my store galleries. I don't ask that they post on their personal pages.
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That's entirely different from some designers asking CTMs to post to their personal pages. I would have no issue in posting to a designer's FB fan page, nor her blog. But when it comes to my personal FB page or blog, that's mine, and not the designer's.
That's entirely different from some designers asking CTMs to post to their personal pages. I would have no issue in posting to a designer's FB fan page, nor her blog. But when it comes to my personal FB page or blog, that's mine, and not the designer's.
November 26, 2011 1:09 AM
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I am a designer and I 100% agree with you. I would NEVER be so ballsy as to insist my team post their pages on their personal wall. That is just nervy!
And, currently my team does not post their pages to my wall, either. But, after reading up a bit on the page rank thing mentioned above, I might ask them to start. I try not to ask them to do something new without taking some other requirement away, though. I suppose we could lose posting at DST. No one's layouts get noticed there unless you are begging for comments in the praise game threads, anyway.
Coming here to bitch, anonymously, without even mentioning who you are bitching about? Makes no sense. It comes off as nothing more than whining about the fact that your designer expects things in return for giving you free product. How dare she!
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Wow, just wow! You aren't making sense with this statement at all. She didn't come across as whiner and she never once said she expected to do nothing and get something. She did say she hated it when the designer started to ask her to do more than was initially required.
Now go and lie down, you sound a little cranky.
And on top of that, you think we should all learn your fucking language
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Do you mean English? It seems to me from your long, disjointed, grammatically incorrect and highly misspelled rant, that English may not be your native language. However, if it is, maybe you should go out and learn it.
Coming here to bitch, anonymously, without even mentioning who you are bitching about? Makes no sense. It comes off as nothing more than whining about the fact that your designer expects things in return for giving you free product. How dare she!
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Wow, just wow! You aren't making sense with this statement at all. She didn't come across as whiner and she never once said she expected to do nothing and get something. She did say she hated it when the designer started to ask her to do more than was initially required.
Now go and lie down, you sound a little cranky.
November 26, 2011 5:55 PM
I'm the OP and thank you for this. I didn't mention who I was referring to because it's not just one person. I've had this happen several times now and it's beyond frustrating. But, based upon your response, I'm guessing you're one of those unreasonable designers who changes her mind every month about her business.
Designers and stores need to really figure out what they're looking for before they have calls. I'm not one of those CTMs who is on 100 teams. I limit myself so I can give 100% to the teams I'm on. So, I do say no when asked to join teams. Then I end up having to leave teams after they change their requirements to all these ridiculous things.
I'm not whining, I'm letting designers and stores know that if you want loyalty and dedication from CTMs, then figure out what you want, be reasonable, and don't change your mind 10 times a year.
What about that is too much to ask of a business owner?
And I don't expect anything for free without working for it. I also buy a lot of products each month because I do limit my CTs and just do that for fun and socialization.
Regarding the vast majority of the last 10-20 comments or so, I always love it when someone rolls through this blog after not reading for a while and decides it's their duty in life to respond to every. last. thing. that's been posted in the past week or two, all at one time. You're having a conversation with yourself, and the rest of us are just looking for new info/news and trying to skip your sudden influx of opinion. Try keeping up, and sticking w/ the conversation as it happens.
^wow. someone has a need to be in control. It's how web discusions work.
You're having a conversation with yourself, and the rest of us are just looking for new info/news and trying to skip your sudden influx of opinion. Try keeping up, and sticking w/ the conversation as it happens.
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What are you? The Blog Monitor?
I always love it when someone rolls through this blog after not reading for a while and decides it's their duty in life to respond to every. last. thing. that's been posted in the past week or two, all at one time. < snip > the rest of us are just looking for new info/news and trying to skip your sudden influx of opinion.
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I didn't respond to every.last.thing. as I completely ignored the entire two weeks worth of conversation (which is in fact the majority of the conversation in the last 400 or more posts) about SM closing. Is that the new info you were referring too? Lost of influx of opinion there and they said almost exactly the same thing.
I love it when someone feels it's their duty in life to tell the other posters on this blog what they should and shouldn't post and then proceed to speak so authoritatively about what the other posts want.
I also hate it when someone doesn't check a forum for 3 weeks and then replies to every effing thread that was posted the entire time they were gone.
^^^^^^^^^^
Especially when 90% of their replies are something like "word" or "ditto" or a clapping smiley. I hate clicking on thread after thread, thinking something worthwhile might have been added to the conversation, just to find inane comments like that instead.
I also hate it when someone doesn't check a forum for 3 weeks and then replies to every effing thread that was posted the entire time they were gone.
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Why?
OMG. Seriously?
LMAO.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=292441
and yet another designer 'guesting' at the digichick coming up. Down This Road. SM designers are dropping like flies.
Especially when 90% of their replies are something like "word" or "ditto" or a clapping smiley. I hate clicking on thread after thread, thinking something worthwhile might have been added to the conversation, just to find inane comments like that instead.
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This I agree with. I don't care if someone comes to the conversation three weeks later, as long as they contribute to the conversation.
OMG. Seriously?
LMAO.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=292441
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Have you seen how many designer are at that store? Ugh! Including Laura/Princess Lala and Cyndi/Wetfish. I would have thought after the last few fiascoes, they would have been long gone.
Have you seen how many designer are at that store? Ugh! Including Laura/Princess Lala and Cyndi/Wetfish. I would have thought after the last few fiascoes, they would have been long gone.
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I know what you mean. That was one of my first stores a couple of years ago but didn't last long. Royanna is full of excuses on everything. I am surprised that place is still open.
I thought you were referring to her design name - Sugar Butt Designs. Not a very attractive name...
I thought you were referring to her design name - Sugar Butt Designs. Not a very attractive name...
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I'm the OP. I was. Horrible, horrible, horrible name!
She surely is not the only one with an odd name. I can remember Queen Brat and LitterBox Design. Any others you remember?
Dirty Feet Designs, used to sell at SM, not sure if she still does.
There was some designer with Backdoor Designs as part of her name. Always made me think of a butt. She should collab with Sugarbutt.
Some people are stuck with odd names in real life, but that is because they didn't choose it, but for a design name that would be branded, and can be chosen, I am always surprised by what people might come up with. Does that mean they do not take it seriously? Sorry but it is hard to take seriously someone with a funny name like some of those.
Litterbox Designs??? No way. Who would name themselves that?
Who would name herself Queen Brat? Good thing I would not since it is already taken!
Now I guess we should be fair here. Perhaps her name is Susie Sugarbutt.
I interrupt the discussion about bad design names to bring you this message:
I continue to be amazed by the number of designers who don't know how to get texture to show up on white (or black) papers & elements. It's not rocket science. Learn your program.
Now back to the name discussion.
She surely is not the only one with an odd name. I can remember Queen Brat and LitterBox Design. Any others you remember?
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Right now on the front page of the product gallery at DST is Willy Designs.
Yet another store opening:
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=292473
Ohhhh, looking for "the best designers in digiland".
Aren't those all "taken" in exclusive stores?
Holding my breath, OK - not really.
No way I'd pay their Paypal fees out of my sales. That's a store expense.
"Commission calculated after PayPal fees are deducted."
Is that how it's usually done? The stores I'm in calculate commission based on the sale, not based on the sale - PayPal.
"Commission calculated after PayPal fees are deducted."
This is not how things are normally done AT ALL. That is like the store owner(s) double-dipping. The reason we all pay commission is to cover paypal fees and server fees. 20-25% is more than enough to cover them both. What a rip-off!
I can tell you, from having my own store, that paypal fees average about 7-8% of my total sales every month. So, if you're thinking of going there to sell your designs, figure your commission to be closer to 27-33%. You would be paying one of the highest, if not THE highest, commission rates in the industry.
Couldn't pay me to do it. That is some serious bullshit. I wouldn't even do it for a top-tier, established store, let alone a start-up that might or might not make it, in the long-term.
I would be extremely upset with the owner of Pickleberry Pop right about now....they have been down for over a week - while being promised downtime of only a day or two. The designers missed any weekend sales....glad I'm not there!
Does one really need this many CT members plus guests?
http://scraporchard.com/forum/showthread.php/37899-WM-squared-s-Fall-CT!
Does one really need this many CT members plus guests?
http://scraporchard.com/forum/showthread.php/37899-WM-squared-s-Fall-CT!
November 28, 2011 6:58 PM
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Seems perfectly fine to me. Maybe it just works best for her to have a lot of members rather than just a few doing a lot of stuff.
Yet another store opening:
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=292473
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Strange, I can't view this without having to log in, is it in the DCR?
Yes, sorry, didn't realize. Especially since a couple who replied are not designers. Me So Scrappy is opening a store.
Does one really need this many CT members plus guests?
http://scraporchard.com/forum/showthread.php/37899-WM-squared-s-Fall-CT!
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Didn't we have this discussion before? Not with this designer, but about other designers? Why, yes we have. If you look at the description, you'll see that there are three admins, five hybrid CTMs and one CT supervisor. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
I think it's ridiculous.
Is this it as well?
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=292268
Here are the details for those who don't have access to the DCR about Me So Scrappy's call:
We are looking for new and veteran designers to join us at Me So Scrappy!
STORE DETAILS
Exclusive and Non-Exclusive Contracts Available
80/20 Commission for exclusive designers (personal store allowed)
75/25 Commission for non-exclusive designers (1 store allowed)
Commission calculated after Paypal fees are deducted
Payments made twice a month
REQUIREMENTS
2 exclusive product releases a month
Participation in Store Collabs
Gallery/Blog Participation
Me So Scrappy has the worst commission structure I've seen in all my years selling. On top of having to pay Paypal fees, you also need to participate in store collabs - which are designed to pay for site expenses.
Anyone who applies there is clueless, desperate, or both.
Sorry, I agree with OP about that CT. That is 34 CT members, plus 16 guests, if I counted correctly. That does seem like more CT members than usual/necessary.
Wish one of her five(?!) hybrid team members would come CT for me. I don't even have one and have found that spot difficult to fill.
There are 2 new stores opening - MSS and Hummie's World (WTF?).
They both have the same crap commission rate. Thanks but no thanks.
WV - orifidie or if i die -- HA
Me So Scrappy has the worst commission structure I've seen in all my years selling. On top of having to pay Paypal fees, you also need to participate in store collabs - which are designed to pay for site expenses.
Anyone who applies there is clueless, desperate, or both.
November 28, 2011 8:01 PM
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Not only that, but they are forcing non-exclusive designers to pay a higher commission PLUS design exclusive product. In most stores, there is usually a "mid-way" commission option for such a set-up. IE: a rate for straight exclusives, a rate for non-exclusive designers, and a third rate for non-exclusive designers who design exclusive product for that one store (similar to how TDC is set up).
Just seems like they are trying to take advantage of designers who don't know better. But there will be designers who perceive it as a chance to be a part of the "in crowd" who will apply, whether it makes smart money sense or not.
You also have to realize that not every store CT will use your stuff. So sometimes having a rather large team makes up for what a store CT doesn't do.
Wish one of her five(?!) hybrid team members would come CT for me. I don't even have one and have found that spot difficult to fill.
^^^^ There are so many good hybrid ladies out there. Maybe you haven't looked in all the right places. If you see a girl that you like send her an email. You never know what will happen.
I thought with all commisions you had to pay the paypal fees? Isn't what you get paid monthly usually after all the fees are taken out? I don't understand how all that works. Thank god I don't design.
Sorry, I agree with OP about that CT. That is 34 CT members, plus 16 guests, if I counted correctly. That does seem like more CT members than usual/necessary.
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If it works for her, good on her. However, I see it as 25 paying customers I don't have anymore.
Just because someone applies for a team does not mean that are loyal customers and buy from you every week. Alot of girls apply to teams for free stuff so they don't have to spend their money.
Me So Scrappy is terrible name. I can only think of that song from the 90's when I see the site advertised.
LOL! Me So Horny.
Just because someone applies for a team does not mean that are loyal customers and buy from you every week. Alot of girls apply to teams for free stuff so they don't have to spend their money.
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That's why I said 25. Considering it was 34 CTMs, plus 16 guests, which is 50, I figure about half of them would be loyal customers.
Gotcha! I thought it was a random number you threw out there LOL.
Let me ask you this, if the store where you sell at really doesn't have a very active CT team or a very big store team, would you then take on a larger personal team? Or just have less than 10 to do layouts that will get out there for people to see?
What about if the store team cares more about Digiscrapapalooza than scrapping with a designers things? Maybe that is why she has a big team this time around.
What about if the store team cares more about Digiscrapapalooza than scrapping with a designers things? Maybe that is why she has a big team this time around.
November 28, 2011 9:13 PM
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That's weird. Do they get paid to go? You're saying the SO CT doesn't actually scrap?
I think the store got too big and their CT didn't grow with it.
note to hit SO up for a CT position. I'd scrap with anything in the store. Forget DigiCRAPalooza.
Not only that, but they are forcing non-exclusive designers to pay a higher commission PLUS design exclusive product. In most stores, there is usually a "mid-way" commission option for such a set-up. IE: a rate for straight exclusives, a rate for non-exclusive designers, and a third rate for non-exclusive designers who design exclusive product for that one store (similar to how TDC is set up).
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If you're going to throw around information as though it's fact, at least get your facts straight. TDC requires all products there to be exclusive. You can't put products in the store if they're sold somewhere else.
Not only that, but they are forcing non-exclusive designers to pay a higher commission PLUS design exclusive product. In most stores, there is usually a "mid-way" commission option for such a set-up. IE: a rate for straight exclusives, a rate for non-exclusive designers, and a third rate for non-exclusive designers who design exclusive product for that one store (similar to how TDC is set up).
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If you're going to throw around information as though it's fact, at least get your facts straight. TDC requires all products there to be exclusive. You can't put products in the store if they're sold somewhere else.
November 28, 2011 9:35 PM
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She did say SIMILAR, not exactly.
"No way I'd pay their Paypal fees out of my sales. That's a store expense. "
It is actually not a store expense. It is a cost of doing business - for you, the designer. A store should not have to absorb the cost of paypal fees extracted BEFORE the money ever hits the store's paypal account. You should be building the 2.5% into your product's sale price. My store covers the paypal fees incurred distributing the sales each week so the designers do not have to pay to receive their income, but to expect stores to eat all paypal fees is ludicrous.
Commissions are not just to cover paypal and server fees. They are to cover advertising, maintenance and oh..how about some type of profit for the store owner? Most of us do not wish to work for free. I love my design team, but I am not in this to only see them make income. Considering that most of the headache of running the store you "consign" in belongs to a store owner, I think 25% is a steal.
There is nothing wrong with expecting non-exclusive designers to pay a higher commission. If you are not producing exclusive product, you value is diluted in the market. So, hell yes. If you are not willing to make some type of exclusive product for each store you list in, then it becomes very challenging to sell you and for the store to make money off of you. Your customer base is too spread out and you also begin to compete with yourself with sales, etc.
"This is not how things are normally done AT ALL. That is like the store owner(s) double-dipping. The reason we all pay commission is to cover paypal fees and server fees. 20-25% is more than enough to cover them both. What a rip-off!"
Really? It is impossible for a store owner to "double dip" on money they never see. The paypal transaction fees never reach the store's paypal account - they are deducted by paypal at the time of each sale. The balance is then deposited in the store paypal account. That is what the store receives and that is what you should be charged a commission against. A rip off would be if the store charged you commission on the list price. Not the other way around.
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If you're going to throw around information as though it's fact, at least get your facts straight. TDC requires all products there to be exclusive. You can't put products in the store if they're sold somewhere else.
November 28, 2011 9:35 PM
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She did say SIMILAR, not exactly.
November 28, 2011 9:55 PM
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Yes, thank you 9:55. I knew it wasn't exactly how TDC was, but I was trying to draw a correlation.
I guess a better example would be Funky Playground? My understanding from a friend is that they have the three contract options like I wrote, and there is a unique commission rate for each option. I don't sell there, though, so I don't know what the rates are.
Hey, 9:35, go to bed! I think you are grouchy and need to get some extra sleep tonight, or something!
She did say SIMILAR, not exactly.
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I was going to say exactly the same thing.
There is nothing wrong with expecting non-exclusive designers to pay a higher commission. If you are not producing exclusive product, you value is diluted in the market. So, hell yes. If you are not willing to make some type of exclusive product for each store you list in, then it becomes very challenging to sell you and for the store to make money off of you. Your customer base is too spread out and you also begin to compete with yourself with sales, etc.
November 28, 2011 10:03 PM
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Spoken like an "exclusive" snob who doesn't have a freaking clue what she is talking about.
I guess it would surprise you to find out that I sell in three stores and make about the same money in each store, then? I have no problem appealing to the unique customer base in each of my stores. And I don't "compete with myself with sales" because if I have a sale in one store, the exact same sale is matched in my other two.
Your argument is ass-backwards and is only spouted by snobby "exclusive" designers who think their shit doesn't stink and store owners who seek to limit the earning potential of designers to just what can be made under their own roof. I am grateful the three stores I sell in embrace non-exclusive designers, that is for sure.
And for the record, I don't mind paying a higher commission for the right to be non-exclusive. I don't know who said that or what you are ranting about because no where above did I see anyone saying that. What I would not do is pay the paypal fees on top of an already higher commission. I agree with all these previous posts that MSS is out of their minds with that plan. It is definitely not customary in most stores I've ever seen.
A rip off would be if the store charged you commission on the list price. Not the other way around.
November 28, 2011 10:11 PM
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Yes, but that is exactly the point! My store charges my commission based on the total amount of sales, (or the gross, before fees) as reported in Xcart. NOT on the sales less any paypal fees deducted (the net). Naturally, when a store takes commission on the gross sales, the commission is higher than it would be if they were to figure it on the net sales.
I know of no store that figures the commission percentage on the net sales. They all figure it on the gross sales amount. So, if a store was to charge commission on the gross sale amount, then pay the designer the net from Paypal less the commission figured on the gross total...well, maybe double-dipping is the wrong term for it, as the person above used it. But, at the very least, it would be unethical. I can say for certain that I would want no part of any store that was run in such a way.
I know of no store that figures the commission percentage on the net sales. They all figure it on the gross sales amount.
You may not know of any, but there are some. The first two stores I sold in did that - paid me my commission AFTER paypal fees ... so if the store got 1.75 after paypal fees on a 1.99 item I got my 75% on the 1.75, not the 1.99.
When I stumbled on a store that did NOT deduct fees before taking commissions it seems so generous. Now I'd never go back to a store that does it the other way.
Your argument is ass-backwards and is only spouted by snobby "exclusive" designers who think their shit doesn't stink and store owners who seek to limit the earning potential of designers to just what can be made under their own roof. I am grateful the three stores I sell in embrace non-exclusive designers, that is for sure.
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You are sounding a bit snobby yourself. I don't care about exclusivity, or not, but don't sit there and talk about people thinking their shit doesn't stink, when you are coming across in exactly the same way.
1:27 sounds like Connie Prince.
The discussion on comission is very interesting. I sell at one store that figures comission off the gross. The other deducts the paypal fees and figures the comission off the net. I didn't like it at first either, but I sell there because of who else sells there (ie: close friends). I think the trend seems to be more and more towards deducting the paypal fees because store owners realize that they were losing money on low $ amount sales by not deducting the fees first. The paypal fee on a $1 sale is $0.32 so the store is eating $0.07 - $0.12. If the store is on micropayments that is minimized but micropayments is not the best fee structure for every store.
So a question - How would you feel if the store offered higher commission but deducted the paypal fees?
1:27 sounds like Connie Prince.
November 29, 2011 6:03 AM
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Not really. More like Trixie Scraps. (Tracy)
I agree that it reeks of Tracy. Snobby and hateful, that woman.
I'm also a multi-store designer and typically do $1400-1600/month in sales - PART TIME. I have spoken to several exclusive designers who don't even do half of that in a big month like November. I don't believe that's true of all exclusive designers. I'm sure SSD designers do way better than I do.
There are a bunch of us multi-store designers who do very well for each store we're in. Exclusive stores can stay snooty and keep their little fancy soccer moms. I'd rather do this and actually make money - for me and the store owners. Not cruise forums like my shit doesn't stink.
As for Me So Scrappy and the Paypal fees, all that says to me is they're aiming LOW. That sort of thinking indicates they don't believe their sales will be high enough volume to make money. So, all you $100/month designers or less are the reason I see that shift happening (and I've read that's most of you). Good job.
So explain what you do to get your sales "so high". I'm curious.
To 8:14: I more than double that amount being exclusive. More depends on your customer base and work ethic than anything.
To 8:14: I more than double that amount being exclusive. More depends on your customer base and work ethic than anything.
November 29, 2011 8:50 AM
Like I said, I don't believe all exclusive designers do half what I do. Thank you for confirming exactly what I said.
Also, I don't sell CU, so my sales are 100% personal use products.
Mine are personal use as well.
Not sure how me more than doubling yours while also being exclusive proves your anything though.
Personally I think a designer can sell equally well exclusively or non-exclusively. I think that how well a designer sells her product depends most heavily on how well she/he markets herself. I think that if you are relying on the store's marketing alone to sell you, you aren't going to make even half what you could by making your personal marketing top priority no matter how many stores you sell in. But if that is how you work, it does make sense to the designer to sell non-exclusively.
If I were a store owner, which I'm not, there is no way I'd allow my designers to be non-exclusive to my store. Every store owner is going to have to do relatively the same amount of work for the store. It's going to take the same amount of time to coordinate sales, pay out designers, market products, create newsletters, answer customer service inquiries, maintain the site, etc. for a site with non-exclusive designers as it will for a site with exclusive designers. The difference is, the exclusive store owner gets the commission for all of the sales on each product, where the non-exclusive owner gets 1/2 or 1/3 of the total product's sales commission. I don't blame store owners for not being willing to accept that.
When you really break down how much a store owner is making, after paying for hosting, marketing, PayPal fees, etc. it isn't much. As a store owner, it makes sense to maximize that by requiring exclusivity.
Your argument is ass-backwards and is only spouted by snobby "exclusive" designers who think their shit doesn't stink and store owners who seek to limit the earning potential of designers to just what can be made under their own roof. I am grateful the three stores I sell in embrace non-exclusive designers, that is for sure.
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1:27 sounds like Connie Prince.
November 29, 2011 6:03 AM
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Yeah I was gonna say... that's not Connie, that's Tracy.
Well, I am 1:27 and you're all wrong because I'm neither Tracy or Connie (thank god). If you are going to try and figure out who an anonymous poster is, try and do a better job. I said I had three stores and last I bothered to look, I think they were both in a bunch more than that.
Why is it that anytime an argument comes up in favor of being non-exclusive everyone here automatically pins it on Connie Prince or Trixie Scraps? You all act as if they are the only non-exclusive designers in the industry.
I'm just a customer and I have only bought from them a handful of times. I'm around their stores enough to form an opinion, though. All I see are two designers who really work at what they do. They release new products every week and both promote themselves well, but not so much as to annoy me. As a customer, I've always felt treated well by both of them. I don't get your issues. But someone (or a couple someones) seem to enjoy blaming every thing they don't like on those two. Why all the hate?
It wasn't a commentary on how they run their business and whether or not they do a good job at designing. Some people really like their designs and that's just fine.
They are well known for being in multiple stores and had to leave SM when it went exclusive. There was a spat over that because they were in the process of buying Elemental Scraps.
Chill out.
So, you are saying the people who post negatively here about them are former SM designers who had a disagreement with them?
I don't need to chill out. I just wanted to understand why some here have a very different opinion or impression than I do.
So, you are saying the people who post negatively here about them are former SM designers who had a disagreement with them?
I don't need to chill out. I just wanted to understand why some here have a very different opinion or impression than I do.
November 29, 2011 12:27 PM
Wow! Be very careful on some of those leaps you make.
No, they are known for being in multiple stores because they left SM for that very reason. That is all. So, it is a guess that it is the whenever someone defends not being exclusive. It's also a leap to assume that anyone defending selling in more than one store is one of them. But they are very well known designers.
The impression was only in relationship to exclusivity and not to their designs or overall business practice.
I agree. Chill.
So, you are saying the people who post negatively here about them are former SM designers who had a disagreement with them?
Nope. It could be any designer who believes being in more than one store hurts the store and the other designers they are working with. Connie, Tracy, and Mye have been very successful at working in multiple stores so they get picked on when this topic comes up. Any posts defending non-exlusive stores are assumed to be one of them posting.
Mine are personal use as well.
Not sure how me more than doubling yours while also being exclusive proves your anything though.
November 29, 2011 10:29 AM
I believe she said that not ALL exclusive designer will make less than her. That some will make more. Can anyone actually read on this blog?
I'd love to know which store you sell at exclusively where you regularly make over $3000/month selling PU products. Since the OP said she's sure SSD designers sell more than her, I assume you don't sell at SSD.
There are a bunch of us multi-store designers who do very well for each store we're in. Exclusive stores can stay snooty and keep their little fancy soccer moms. I'd rather do this and actually make money - for me and the store owners. Not cruise forums like my shit doesn't stink.
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Yet another hypocritical multi store designer. Tell me, are you all like this or are you just the first poster reposting? You sure do sound the same.
Since the OP said she's sure SSD designers sell more than her, I assume you don't sell at SSD.
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how on earth did you come to that conclusion? Wouldn't that indicate that this person does in fact sell at SSD if she's making more?
1:40: There was NOTHING in my post that proved the point she was trying to make. It didn't disprove her either, but it certainly did NOT prove anything she said. Read it again honey. Maybe your comprehension will improve. Mien was fine first time round.
Technically, saying you make more than her does prove what she was saying (that not all exclusive designer will make less), but it's all pretty stupid.
I notice you didn't say where you sell, either. Typical.
I think you're all full of shit.
I would really LOVE to know where those of you who think you make more than the SSD designers sell. Cause I want to move there. ;)
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Probably at SBG, I don't see why they can't be making as much or more than the SSD designers.
I just cannot see how a store owner would ever want to eat that much in paypal fees. It can easily add up to hundreds of dollars a month if you are paying designer commissions on the gross list price and then covering their paypal fees when you distribute the sales income to them. Why should a store ever owe a designer commission on money the store never earns?
You store owners here are doing an admirable job of trying to sell your case. But, I think you make more money than you want the designers to think you make.
I am a former store owner. As long as the whole transaction (single or multiple designer) was over $2, I ate the paypal fees. I just chocked it up to being a part of the business expense.
You store owners here are doing an admirable job of trying to sell your case. But, I think you make more money than you want the designers to think you make.
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I really doubt it. With the amount of work running a tore takes, often 60+ hours a week, the amount of hosting stores pay (a couple hundred a month) ... I think most store owners are making pennies per hour (large stores excluded of course)
I like what someone said here - why should a store pay you commission on money they never received?
I've sold many things over the years - from kitchenware to e-books through affiliate programs to cleaning products ... on every single thing, the commission is based on net, not gross. I'm really not sure why anyone would think that expecting commissions on gross is reasonable.
I'm not a store owner FYI.
I sell tangible art at commission and it's less than 75% and I pay fees.
Why would a store owner pay for your fees, when they never see that money in the first place?
At 5:41: After seeing the evidence of your reading comprehension skills and the application of the information derived, what you think of me hardly ranks on any list of value. As for where I work, I have never responded well to demands. Not going to start now. It'll be amusing to read the guesses anyway.
I sell tangible art at commission and it's less than 75% and I pay fees.
Why would a store owner pay for your fees, when they never see that money in the first place?
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Clearly those of you who make comments like this have never been a store owner. So I'll break it down for you. All payments for purchases at a store come into the store's PayPal account. Fees are taken by PayPal before it ever reaches our hands. So yes, we never see that money. Neither does the designer. And to whoever (above) said it equals 7-8% of your monthly gross, you're high. PayPal either charges 2.9% + 0.30 per transaction, or if you use micropayments (which most big shops don't) then it's 5% + 0.05 per transaction. That's it.
As for how commissions are figured/paid: if I charge my designers 20% (for the sake of this argument) of the product's original price, and I only lost 3%-ish to PayPal (again, estimate for the sake of this argument), that leaves me with 17% to pay shop expenses, advertising, server fees, etc. It's not a lot, after all is said and done, but it's enough to make it worthwhile if you own a shop that has enough traffic.
The reason I would never charge my designers their PayPal fees and then also charge commission on top of that? Mainly, it's easier for the sake of bookkeeping to just use the price of the item, which is how xcart does the report. It would be a nightmare to sit down each pay period and figure out how much to subtract from each product for PayPal first, and then charge commission on that. So commission rates are derived with the knowledge of what PayPal charges, and those fees are built into the commission. Easier for everyone.
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bingo!
designers: anyone else look through the blog train previews in photobucket (posted in the DCR) yet? OMG there are some really really bad minis getting ready to be set free tomorrow morning. I looked through all of the previews just now (there are 82) and I would only download 3 of them. maybe 5, to use 1-2 elements from a couple and discard the rest, but that's it. it makes no sense either because IMO this was the easiest palette to work with in recent history and in fact, I was regretting not signing up until just now when I saw what would be associated with it.
At 5:41: After seeing the evidence of your reading comprehension skills and the application of the information derived, what you think of me hardly ranks on any list of value. As for where I work, I have never responded well to demands. Not going to start now. It'll be amusing to read the guesses anyway.
November 30, 2011 7:17 AM
My guess would be Flergs - the most arrogant bitch in digi.
My guess would be Flergs - the most arrogant bitch in digi.
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SO glad to hear I'm not the only one! She thinks her shit doesn't stink. Lots will come and say how 'sweet' she is. I've worked with her, she really isn't that sweet.
I don't feel sorry for any shop owner who is making pennies an hour. If it's not profitable, then CLOSE. It's really that easy.
The 3% (est) that Paypal costs a shop can also be deducted as a business expense, so a shop can recoup some of that as well at the end of the year. Along with other costs of doing business (such as hosting, web services, etc).
Zencart, however, is set up so you can figure the paypal fees out before comission. So I guess it depends on what you are using as to how much of a pain that is.
It would be interesting to know if Zencart vs. Xcart does have an affect on whether paypal fees are taken first. I know my Xcart store does not and my Zencart store does. I'm willing to bet that it's mostly Zencart stores who do because I can understand why no one would want to do that amount of extra work, it wouldn't be worth the money you were saving.
My guess would be Flergs - the most arrogant bitch in digi.
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SO glad to hear I'm not the only one! She thinks her shit doesn't stink. Lots will come and say how 'sweet' she is. I've worked with her, she really isn't that sweet.
November 30, 2011 8:26 AM
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Might just be your problem, since you seem to think you are above everyone else. Megs is one of the nicest people I met. You do get what you give out in this world and if you give out the hell you spat here, well... nuff said.
Scrapdish closing Dec 31 now.
Might just be your problem, since you seem to think you are above everyone else. Megs is one of the nicest people I met. You do get what you give out in this world and if you give out the hell you spat here, well... nuff said.
November 30, 2011 10:00 AM
Yes. I'm sure you're completely without fault and have never said anything nasty to anyone or about anyone in your entire life. Watch out Mother Teresa, you have some competition.
I don't think Teresa really cares since she's been dead for over 4 years.
Just looked at the previews for the December blog train now. Saw a few I liked: Luv Ewe's alpha can be used for a lot of things, Wishing Well Creations mini is cute, and Key of D Designs alpha is good for holiday layouts. The rest: Blech. My personal fave is the one that includes both a fairy and a rat/mouse eating his tail. It's exactly what I've had on my wish list!
Sounds perfect for all my infestation photos!
LOL @ infestation photos!
I looked thru the previews and judging only from the previews, I would download the following:
--Willow Grace Designs (to have some basic solids papers to use)
--Eyeinspire (same)
--Luv Ewe (nice alpha)
--Tracie Stroud (maybe? just to use 2-3 papers: maybe just the blue damask)
--Wishing Well (entire mini kit looks adorable & useful)
--Oceanwide (just the stitching, frame, & tag, the rest looks awful)
--Blue Heart Scraps (for 1-2 papers and a couple elements)
--Snips & Snails (maybe a couple of elements, nothing else, but want to see quality up close first, looks iffy)
--Dawn by Design (papers look nice & I like the word art stamp)
--Mandy King (maybe for the stickers at lower right only, the rest looks hideous)
--Ruby Lane (the light string might be cute)
--Digidiroo (cute glittery alpha)
That is it for me. The rest either doesn't follow the palette, looks questionable in quality, or looks amateurish.
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SO glad to hear I'm not the only one! She thinks her shit doesn't stink.
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Oh, it's you again.
Yes. I'm sure you're completely without fault and have never said anything nasty to anyone or about anyone in your entire life. Watch out Mother Teresa, you have some competition.
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She never said she was without fault. Learn to read instead of assuming or reading what you want to see. Not the OP, not Flergs, just tired of people like you who see offense in every single thing
SO glad to hear I'm not the only one! She thinks her shit doesn't stink.
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Oh, it's you again.
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Nope, never posted about her before. I'm not a designer, so I rarely come here actually.
I was referring to the comment about shit not stinking, that's the third time this has been said in about two days.
I'm not a designer, so I rarely come here actually.
November 30, 2011 4:07 PM
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What does being a designer have to do with it? I'm not one either and come here often.
I was referring to the comment about shit not stinking, that's the third time this has been said in about two days.
November 30, 2011 4:51 PM
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OK, you are an absolute idiot. That is a common colloquialism. Just because it has been said a handful of times in the past few days, doesn't mean it's the same person saying it each time.
Might want to think about what you post in the future lest you make yourself sound this stupid again.
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Right, because you sound so intelligent in your post.
I was joking, why so defensive?
Chill out.
Might want to think about what you post in the future lest you make yourself sound this stupid again.
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You might want to do the same. At least I don't have to use common colloquialisms to get my point across; I can think of my own things to say, nor do I feel the need to insult anyone while I'm doing it.
Can anybody post a link to the slide show for the Blog Train? I want to see!
There is no slide show link that I am aware of. I looked at the previews in the Photobucket account, which is linked to from the DCR at DST. So if you have access to that forum, you can see the previews. Otherwise you will have to wait until the blog train goes live tomorrow morning sometime.
That is it for me. The rest either doesn't follow the palette, looks questionable in quality, or looks amateurish.
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That's really just your opinion. I thought that quite a few were very cute and some of the ones you mentioned not!
That's why I said, "That's it for ME." Duh.
News flash! Everyone's shit stinks. Everyone has their own brand. It's just the degree of stink that counts. :P
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?p=3062057
It states that the owner is not a designer but isn't the owner Profile Studio?
Love the jaggies on their splash screen. Nothing says quality like blurry, jagged edges.
http://withlovestudio.net/
I wouldn't sell anywhere I didn't know exactly who the owner is.
Watch your eyes!
http://www.scrappinnaturally.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_158&products_id=653&zenid=eb8q9vtn6a7vjailn36ik48ub2
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