So let the birthday party begin. What fun and exciting things does Shannon and her crew have in store for us as they kick off another year? I am sure you all are eagerly waiting for the birthday kit, the pass the torch RAK (that has only been passed to beggars and high volume posters), the debut of the DST CT team, and who knows what other new and exciting ideas they will uncork this weekend. Let the shameless plugs and begging begin.
Here is the readers digest version of the last post: The DST CT was announced, vote for me threads should be outlawed, one person hates bracket previews, but most don't care, Rose still hasn't announced her CT, if you want to, you can send care packages to aunt Tilly at the trailer park, somebody is offering services to remove sticks from your ass if you have one stuck there, looks like we need a cure for those that piss rainbows, a Stampin' Up demo hacked Heather Ann's mailing list, dead celebrities and not dead celebrities, shameless RAK begging, Barb Speck is up in arms about the critique and reveal blogs, Gallery standout nomination for the milk lady, and slow pay and disgruntled designers at PPF.
Feel free to discuss my lame topic or anything else digi that you want to discuss. I don't have a mission here, I am not out to accomplish anything or change the digi world. My only pledge to you is to give you a new topic at around 200 posts because my pet peeve is when I have to click an extra time to see what you all are talking about. Have a good weekend. Carry on...
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 267 of 267Some of those designers don't pay a cent to DST, I've never seen an ad from them.
Some of those designers find it very hard to find a spot for their ad, even though they requested one months in advance, while other designers, including new ones, seem to get one almost immediately.
I may have broken the so called 'contract' of the DCR, which, by the way, is not legally binding, but when innocent people are being threatened and accused, they have a right to know.
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Wow, a woman's house gets shot at and she gets nervous because of a lot of negative remarks on a smack blog and now you have the nerve to accuse her of 'threatening and accusing innocent people'? Wow, that's like a thief suing the place they broke into because they fell and hurt their pinkie.
Unreal. Have you ever heard of the term 'rational lies'?
While you idiots decide to play sheriff, judge and jury, why don't you read the papers for a minute - the world is full of people who will go to extreme measures when offended - if you think for a minute that something like a shooting can't happen in digiland then you are pretty friggin naive about the kind of insanity that goes on in the world today.
An yeah I am posting anonymously because I don't really have the energy to be ripped a part by a dozen anonymous digi hyenas, thank you...
Regarding the DST Birthday Kit I never even heard about it so I didn't contribute - doesn't sound worth my while given the level of nitpicking going on here...
Oh please, I'm fully aware that the world is full of strange and psychotic people, but why pick on Amanda? There have been other ddsigners here that have been smacked to hell and back on these blogs. The level of hatred aimed at them was on a psychotic level and yet not one of them was shot at, strange isn't it?
There is no proof that the shooting happened in the first place.
I find it funny that the people who came here to defend Amanda often resort to name calling, it shows their level of intelligence, doesn't it?
Nitpicking? If you were real designer, you would take criticism on board and see it for what it is. Weed through what is relevant and what isn't. So far, the so called 'nitpicking' about the DST kit is valid.
I have no doubt Amanada'a door was shot at.
I do doubt it had anything at all to do with the blogs.
I SERIOUSLY doubt her stories about the police giving her lists of names, etc. In fact I'll go further, I am 100% sure she is lying about that.
The 'problem' with the blogs is that we (the users) don't have to dress everything up and say 'there there' to everyone who has a hissy fit and a poor me rant, like you do at DST. Here we can say 'sorry you got your door shot, but stop lying about all the other stuff'.
We don't like drama queens here. We don't like them at DST, but as you quickly find out if you don't sugar coat every damn word there, only the Sunshine Girls are welcome.
And THAT is why Amanda needs to get off her 'shut the blogs' crusade, put her big girl panties on and stop with the self-victimisation crap. Deal with it Amanda, and stop making it everyone else's problem (fault).
Well said 6:15.
Yes very well said 6:15! Another voice of reason in this whole insane mess!
Deal with it Amanda, and stop making it everyone else's problem (fault).
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Aww ... let her do. It's entertaining to watch how she's making a complete idiot of herself.
There is no proof that the shooting happened in the first place.
I find it funny that the people who came here to defend Amanda often resort to name calling, it shows their level of intelligence, doesn't it?
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She posted pictures of the bullet holes on her blog.
I am not defending Amanda perse. Don't know the woman and I actually think a lot of the points made here were valid feedback. I am furious about the DCR leaks - utter disregard for the confidentiality of fellow designers - and the general level of callousness shown here toward a fellow human being.
It's very easy to criticize on these blogs until one is made the object of scorn, contempt and mockery.
Another thing that comes to mind is the criticism of designers on the DCR for attempting to play cop and identify customers who were pirates. People were up in arms. Yet there is a merry discussion here about conducting an 'investigation' of Amanda's claims - its the same mentality. A bunch of amateur detectives assuming guilt and blundering along as self appointed defenders of the faith.
The problem with the above is you can easily be wrong. Dead wrong. But being anonymous you don't have to pay the price for your errors. Only the person whom you have dragged through the mud and attached various unfounded rumours to, which continually resurface despite having not been proven.
I reallly wish people would stick to discussing topics and sharing opinions, something I enjoy on this blog, rather than attacking and smacking other human beings.
"...I reallly wish people would stick to discussing topics and sharing opinions..."
What the hell do you think we're doing? If we're not discussing topics and sharing our opinions on those topics, then please enlighten me on what we ARE doing.
If you want to play nice, get mushy and pretend the world is full of sunshine and roses, go somewhere else. How boring and useless would these blogs be if we couldn't say how we really feel? That's what DST is for.
And as for dragging people through the mud, would we be here discussing Amanda and her supposed digi-shooting if she hadn't brought it up herself? If I felt bad and thought she was genuine and everything she said was the honest truth, I'd say so in her thread. But I think she's full of crap but I can't say that in her thread, I'd get kicked out, so I come here where I CAN say how I really feel. Which is why this blog is here in the first place.
I really wish people would stop coming here whining about how we're so bad and wrong and nothing but mean and spiteful. We have opinions, too and if we can't say them in the place where they really belong, we have no other option then here so get over it or get out.
I'm sorry, but Amanda totally brought this upon herself. There was a very civil discussion about Amanda's abilities as a business owner. No personal attacks whatsoever. Then Amanda starts the whole bullet thing and digs a hole for herself that reaches all the way to China. Excuse me, but this blog is hardly to blame for Amanda's mental issues.
So True!!
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Excuse me, but this blog is hardly to blame for Amanda's mental issues.
August 5, 2008 10:55 AM
I find it funny that the people who came here to defend Amanda often resort to name calling, it shows their level of intelligence, doesn't it?
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Yes, the worst behavior here has come from Amanda and her defenders. After seeing just how low she will stoop to gain attention and make herself out to be a victim, it doesn't surprise me at all.
She obviously has issues, major ones. People who would condone her behavior and lies probably have some pretty serious issues of their own.
For those of us who saw the pictures of the bullet hole, the rest of you here are actually quite entertaining with your "supposed shooting" lines. You are actually the ones who look crazy and stupid to a lot of us. Trying to say something never happened when plenty of us have seen proof that it did.
Quite Entertaining. You put on a good show.
Way to be blinded by bullshit. Go ahead and continue to completely miss the point 11.42, you're doing a really good job.
Any worms in that sand by the way?
can someone please link to the pictures of the bullet hole in her door please.
I just went to her blog and there are no pictures posted. For all we know she could've pulled some pics off the internet.
11:42, it's not the shooting we're questioning. It's the fact that police had IP's, e-mails and other sordid evidence from this blog, in less then 24 hours. It's the fact that even though the conversations here regarding Amanda's professionalism remained civil Amanda's supporters did not.
So the shooting took place, very unfortunate. However, all the other stuff that Amanda and her supporters have been throwing around simply could not have happened. I'm not saying they didn't happen, I'm saying THEY COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. It's not possible for a local law enforcement office to be able to track down all that information in that amount of time.
First of all, it's quite easy to find pictures of bullet holes all over the internet.
But, whether or not the shooting actually happened is irrelevant.
What people have taken issue with is Amanda blaming this blog for the shooting. THAT was a ludicrous assumption for her to make.
The only thing that happened here was a discussion on how ineffective she was as a business person. There was no hostility towards Amanda as a person. AT.ALL. It was stated over and over that the general consensus was that she was generally a sweet, nice person. It was also stated that being a nice, sweet person doesn't make that same person a great or even an effective business owner.
Amanda's the one that has done all the damage to her reputation. She has ADMITTED to paying people late multiple times. So now those 'rumors' have been verified.
She came to this blog and acted rude and arrogant. She sure didn't sound scared or threatened.
I highly doubt that there are "lots" of you who claim this story is completely true. Probably more like one or two-including Amanda herself.
I took people at their word when they said that Amanda was a sweet person. After seeing her actions for the past few days, I no longer believe that. At best, I think she's seriously disturbed and I feel so sorry for her family. At worst, I think she's vindictive, mean-spirited narcissist who would tell any kind of lies to get the kind of reaction that she wants from people. Either way, Amanda needs help.
If she really does have friends or supporters out there, they need to help her get it. Ennabling her only escalates the problems and her behavior.
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For those of us who saw the pictures of the bullet hole, the rest of you here are actually quite entertaining with your "supposed shooting" lines. You are actually the ones who look crazy and stupid to a lot of us. Trying to say something never happened when plenty of us have seen proof that it did.
Quite Entertaining. You put on a good show.
August 5, 2008 11:42 AM
More exerpts from the DCR and NO this ISNT ruby posting it.
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I don't know how or why they got me the list as quickly as they did, Ruby. It may be because my FIL was on the force. Who knows. I am just glad we are getting it solved, and that my family is safe. I hear you, and totally get what you are saying. The answer is- I just don't know why. I'm just grateful to know that it's being taken care of.
Jen- I hope you're right. I hope that my posting in the DCR about this was completely out of line. I hope to GOD that it's unrelated.
But, the fact of the matter is this- after I return from a trade show, I usually show up as the target on those blogs. Almost always. The more public I am, the worse it is. This time it was particularly worse. And the bloggers are right- I am being completely unreasonable and unproffesional about all this. Late last week, someone tried to hack into PPF. Luckally we stopped it (thank you James). Then... the comments on the blog... then the bullet through the door. How can I NOT think that it may somehow be related. Like I said...I hope it isn't. But, I am not sorry I told the police about any of this. I am NOT sorry that I posted here in the DCR to let everyone know to be careful!
It's just all gone too far. And yet, the chatter continues. Now everyone seems to think I'm lying about all of this. I know I shouldn't look, Flergs. I know. I'm just at a loss. I don't know what to do from this point.
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Looks like SteinwaysMom/DebraTope is one of the Amanda supporters here at the blog....
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Just to clear things up, the list I was provided with with Email addresses that they compared to usernames at PPF. And there was no court order required. There's no expectation of privacy on the WWW- especially in cases where there is violence involved. I was told that the owner(s) of the blog would receive a visit from their local precinct this week. And, now that I know who that party is, I am seriously thinking of filing for penalties against her- for defamation of character, slander and malicious persecution (to say the least).
While I admit I don't think anyone from the blog had anything to do with the whole bullet-through-the-door incident (at least I hope not), if this allows me to finally shut down those blogs- so be it.
Go for it. Seriously. I went back to DSTHof and not only had someone with access to the DCR already blabbed about your post here but people actually had the nerve to accuse you of lying and being overly dramatic. I was utterly disgusted at that kind of attitude. It's like once someone is 'demonized' they can do no wrong. These people don't realize how easy tidbits of 'gossip' can turn into full fledged rumours which become slander.
**The thing that makes me laugh about that post is that THESE SAME DESIGNERS do the SAME THING to other people they accuse as pirates (with no proof of course). Now they have the NERVE to CRY about being demonized when they do it to so many others?
I wouldnt doubt that Amanda found a pic on the internet of a bullethole through a door and posted that. WHY ELSE would she REMOVE the picture from her blog?
"SteinwaysMom/DebraTope
Go for it. Seriously. I went back to DSTHof and not only had someone with access to the DCR already blabbed about your post here but people actually had the nerve to accuse you of lying and being overly dramatic. I was utterly disgusted at that kind of attitude. It's like once someone is 'demonized' they can do no wrong. These people don't realize how easy tidbits of 'gossip' can turn into full fledged rumours which become slander."
It's only SLANDER if it's not true.
Does any of these look familiar for those of you who actually SAW the pic she posted:
http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2008-07,GGLJ:en&q=bullet%20hole%20in%20the%20door&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
I'm REALLY disappointed in Steinway's Mom. She certainly puts on a different face in the public areas of DST.
And if she's over here posting anon. in Amanda's defense that makes her a HUGE hypocrite.
Another designer I won't ever buy from again.
What people have taken issue with is Amanda blaming this blog for the shooting. THAT was a ludicrous assumption for her to make.
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Well that's just the thing. She posted on the DCR, a private forum for designers to share issues concerns etc. that her home had been shot at. She stated that she wasn't sure who had done it but was nervous because of all the negativity on the blog, thus she didn't rule it out 100%. I think anyone who had something similar happen would wonder about that possibility in the back of their mind.
Someone then plastered it all over this blog and it got twisted into this melodrama about Amanda blaming the blog hands down. Now the Sherlock Holmes auxiliary squad has determined that she's a mental case who has faked the shooting and the men in white coats should be called.
I agree w/a previous poster that the only 'show' being created is by some of the posters to this blog. The level of denial and twisted thinking I've seen here is absurd.
Denial, 12.44?
So you believe that a regular cop can, on a Saturday night into Sunday morning, obtain IPs, email addresses, etc from sources owned by a large number of international companies that do not disclose these details without court process, such information being completely unrelated to a totally different complaint relating to vandalism, and having done so deliver them into the hands of the complainant within 24 hours?
Where the hell do YOU live? Mars?
Okay, once again, no one is saying she faked the shooting. If you find us all so damned entertaining follow the program and try to comprehend!
I saw the pictures on Amanda's blog and I went through that link of google images.
None of them matched although they did reinforce the fact that it was actually a bullet hole in her door.
So for those thinking she just googled the images I would bet that she did not, at least not from the first ten pages or so of google images.
12.44, you need to read the very first post in Amanda's Be Aware thread again. It's not a question of her 'not ruling it out', it was the whole premise of that post. And I have screengrabbed it just in case she decides to change it after she reads this :)
Ummm...HELLOOOOO...Amanda started this shit when she claimed that this blog had something to do with thw shooting AND THAT SHE ALREADY HAD A LIST OF IP AND EMAIL ADDRESS FROM THE POLICE.
This is total BULLSHIT. And it came from AMANDA'S FINGERS.
So YES. She has ISSUES. AMANDA does, not those on this blog who are questioning her honesty or sanity.
Just how stupid do you have to be to believe her bullshit?
The DCR is nothing more than an anonymous bload hiding under Shannon's skirts.
All you blog haters claim that people can post here anon. with no consequences. Yet that is EXACTLY what you want and expect from the DCR. You want to post all the wild accusations and crap rumors and exchange customers' PRIVATE info. all while it is kept hidden from the view of the general scrappers at DST. And your little secret handshake/confidentiality agreement is bullshit.
Knock your lying, hypocritical selves out to try and get these blogs shut down because you won't. Go take a look at Scrap Smack2 from the paper world and keep telling yourselves you'll get this one or any other one shut down.
What's at question here are her made up stories about obtaining blogger ID's and police sharing evidence. THIS is what did not happen. THIS is where she went off and turned the whole thing into a laughable cock-and-bull story.
The shooting is possible and, looking at her neighborhood, I think it is very possible for some bored-out-of-their-minds-kids to play with guns. This kind of environment breads this kind of behavior. Perhaps Amanda should contact her HOA to discuss neighborhood activities to keep kids off the streets and occupied. It would be by far better use of her creative energies than to make up stories about police investigation.
Okay, once again, no one is saying she faked the shooting. If you find us all so damned entertaining follow the program and try to comprehend!
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Uh i see at least 2 posts insinuating that she used internet pictures of bullet holes. That would be accusing her of faking it.
Basically everone who replied to her post in the DCR was supportive so what are you going to do - make a list of their names and blacklist them for not agreeing with your conspiracy theory?
Are you going to add to your list, designers who don't think Shannon is evil incarnate?
Then you get someone like Barb Speck who has the guts to state her real opinion and not some smarmy rainbow spouting hogwash but you don't like that either.
Seriously.
Can we change the subject?
I don't belong to the Bud Club or sell at PPF so who cares...if you don't like her don't buy her stuff...clearly some people believe her and others don't but they this a free country believe what U want...
ha! 'bload' should be blog!
Then you get someone like Barb Speck who has the guts to state her real opinion and not some smarmy rainbow spouting hogwash but you don't like that either.
Seriously.
August 5, 2008 1:04 PM
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Go away Barb! No one wants to listen to your bullshit here, either.
Can we change the subject?
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Yes, let's! Amanda has wasted enough of everyone's time.
What's the deal with some designers being denied DST ads, but other new ones getting ads right away?
Can someone give specific examples of 'new' designers who got preferential treatment??
I'm going to have to 2nd the disappointment with Debra Tope. I wouldn't have thought she would have involved herself in this mess.
Striking her off my list of safe designers to buy from.
AMEN to that! ITA
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All you blog haters claim that people can post here anon. with no consequences. Yet that is EXACTLY what you want and expect from the DCR. You want to post all the wild accusations and crap rumors and exchange customers' PRIVATE info. all while it is kept hidden from the view of the general scrappers at DST. And your little secret handshake/confidentiality agreement is bullshit.
If Amanda has issues, so do you, for sitting here spending so much time talking about how Amanda has issues.
I'm sure that's normal behavior. You might want to start psychoanalyzing yourselves a bit too. Find out if spending so much time obsessing over someone else really is mentally healthy. Yes, I'll start analyzing myself for finding your show so entertaining.
In yet ANOTHER effort to change the subject, what exactly was the deal with the falling out between Gina and Shannon?
I want to know which new designers have been bumped to the top of the DST ads list, too.
anyone?
I don't waste my money advertising at DST - from what I've heard you don't get much return for your money.
I want to know who the $350 ad people are going to be...
I don't know about the falling about between Gina and Shannon.
And with the ads, Shannon has told us that people have been on the waiting list forever and that every once in awhile for a special occasion, she will let someone have banner space say for a grand opening or something to that extent. I've been on the waiting list for a year, but I've never tried asking to be bumped for any reason. I figured everyone else has been waiting just as long or longer than I have.
I'm not surprised that Shannon will bump certain people. I'd also bet that I could guess the ones that would ask to be bumped, too.
I am kind of surprised that the waiting list for ads is that long. Honestly, I don't click through on any banner ads (not just at DST, but anywhere). Although since I've seen some of Shannon's more questionable practices, I try to not put any money at all in her pocket if I can help it.
I just don't even notice banner ads anymore, and I guess I've gotten really good at ignoring all kinds of ads all over the web.
So do you know what place in line you have? Something like "you're #12 out of __" Or even just "you're #whatever"??
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And with the ads, Shannon has told us that people have been on the waiting list forever and that every once in awhile for a special occasion, she will let someone have banner space say for a grand opening or something to that extent. I've been on the waiting list for a year, but I've never tried asking to be bumped for any reason. I figured everyone else has been waiting just as long or longer than I have.
August 5, 2008 1:50 PM
Sounds like this waiting list thing is a way for Shannon to hike up her ad prices. Kind of like uh look how popular this site is, you have to wait a year for an ad spot. I call bull shit on that one. Who in their right mind actually believes that ads on DST are worth the money? All the advertising is done through CT pimping.
Personally, I have never clicked on any banner ad on DST. In fact, I was so annoyed by them, I have turned the feature off.
Here's something I wonder about sometimes.
Do you think DST has so many problems because of the growth of digital scrapping? In the early days, when things seemed happier, it WAS a much smaller site.
Or, is the (mis)management of DST more to blame for its current climate?
Sometimes I wonder if some new smaller sites sprang up, that maybe people could find a place that's more a niche or good fit for them?
I'm a scrapper, not a designer, and I can tell you that I *NEVER* click on ads at DST. Ever.
I check the Products gallery for new digi-goodies, and as I look through the layout gallery, I take note of products being used that I like.
I think your best bet is to create unique, well-designed products and put together a good CT team to post at DST.
In fact, I was so annoyed by them, I have turned the feature off.
August 5, 2008 2:13 PM
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You can do that? Please, tell us how! I turned sigs off a long time ago b/c of all the annoying Vegas-strip blinkies, and would love to lose the annoying moving baner ads as well!
Good question, 2:17. I think the rabbit CT pimping, preferential treatment of some, and DSR have contributed to the disaster DST has become. Shannon is to blame for this train wreck because she's the one who has enabled those activities.
I'm a scrapper, not a designer, and I can tell you that I *NEVER* click on ads at DST. Ever.
I check the Products gallery for new digi-goodies, and as I look through the layout gallery, I take note of products being used that I like.
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ITA on the banner ads, but I have to say that I also gave up on the Product Gallery a long time ago. Every time I try a search, I get nothing that I'm looking for. On the rare occasions that I would browse and find something I liked, the product was either gone from the store, or the designer had moved or retired or something. It was just totally frustrating at every turn. I haven't even been to the product gallery in ages, so maybe it's better?
Um no, Barb is on my list for treating people with disdain and disrespect unless they have something to offer her (as in Tandika). Even if she created nice digital products, I would never buy from her.
She has every right to state her opinion, as do we all. But as someone who is expecting people to buy from her, she has to know there will be repurcussions.
Maya is on my list, too. I do think she is a very talented designer, but her comment on one of the smack blogs about scrappers wanting being so lazy that they want to have quick pages made for them...well that just left a very bad taste in my mouth. So yes, she spoke her mind, but the consequence is that she lost me as a very good customer.
So y'all can say whatever you want, as there is such a thing as freedome of speech. But the customer is always watching. Even when it's posted in the DCR.
Many thanks to the so-called "moles" for keeping the customers informed on the garbage that goes on in the DCR.
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Then you get someone like Barb Speck who has the guts to state her real opinion and not some smarmy rainbow spouting hogwash but you don't like that either.
I use Ad Blocker, a program that allows me to block pop-up ads, banner ads, flash ads and such annoying things.
Another one here that has never clicked on a banner ad, not ever. When I can't find what I want in my stash I go to my "go to" stores search for what I want and buy then. I don't look at the CT Enabling thread. I've given up asking for anything at DST, because I tend to get linked to everything but what I ask for.
I hardly ever look through the product gallery. It's flooded with crap and a waste of my time. My source of inspiration comes from the galleries. I click on the layouts that I like and look through the credits. This is how I find products that I want to buy.
So, what galleries do you find the most inspiration at?
DST is definitely not one that pops into my mind first! Especially after that heinous BF layout.
Also, those weird doll-looking things in some of the kits all over the place at DST totally creep me out.
I'd be interested in what galleries to. I haven't even been looking in galleries lately, because one layout looks like another, looks like another, looks another...
I've always liked the galleries at Digital Art Quirks, ScrapArtist, and Designer Digitals.
Any other suggestions?
I also look through the galleries of stores that I frequent, but I actually prefer the large, open galleries. I look through the galleries at DST and MSA. (Well, MSA not so much.) I have no trouble looking past the stuff I don't like and going straight to the layouts that pop out at me. Because those are open galleries, I was able to find designers that don't advertise. I have become aware of a handful european designers that I would not have found otherwise.
Are there other open galleries besides DST? I never even count MSA anymore-if I want to look at Gina Miller's products, I can find her store. Same with the Lilypad or FPD.
Also, those weird doll-looking things in some of the kits all over the place at DST totally creep me out.
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LOL ITA I wondered if anyone else found them creepy.
Also, those weird doll-looking things in some of the kits all over the place at DST totally creep me out.
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LOL ITA I wondered if anyone else found them creepy.
August 5, 2008 4:54 PM
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Never seen one. Do you have a link?
Try this-especially post #4
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=138485
I can't stand those weird dolls! Ick! But I generally can't stand kits with fairies and gnomes (not knomes, FLCindy). The only exceptions are doodles like Dawn's, I don't find them creepy.
Some of those dolls are totally bizarre looking!
Blushbutter always uses those freakish looking poser dolls. They weird me out. I'd never buy a kit with one of those in it.
NEW SPACE PLEASE...we're well past 200 :)
New topic up....carry on there.
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