Here is some new space for you.
I have really lost interest in the message boards, and found that I have been getting a lot more scrapping done!
I did a quick scan at DST and the thread that jumped out at me was about MyPicTales. Seems there are more than a few gals disappointed in the product, customer service and turnaround time. Seems that the owner of MPT, and DST staff have requested that criticism be kept off the board. In my opinion she can't have it both ways. She used that board like crazy to promote her product, coupons, and now that there are service issues they are requesting they be kept private. I personally would like to know both sides of the story, and I applaud those that have publically shared their experiences, both positive and negative.
Sorry - for those wanting gossip...I am just not in the "know" - I can only speculate with the rest of you on the flight of designers from SBG etc.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 438 Newer› Newest»NO it doesn't. I don't use my real name for my sales. I'm not a liar. I just don't want anyone to know who I am because of all the gossip whores in this industry.
Better yet, selling under an assumed name makes her STILL a liar.
I can think of over a dozen designers who don't sell under their real names, it doesn't make them liars.
It only looks bad when you really DO have something to hide. ;)
It only looks bad when you really DO have something to hide. ;)
December 15, 2008 8:30 PM
EXACTLY. Ashley did and does. It makes HER a liar. No one else was implicated in that statement!
I can think of over a dozen designers who don't sell under their real names, it doesn't make them liars.
December 15, 2008 8:16 PM
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No one said that it did. It wasn't a blanket statement about designers who don't sell under their real names. It was a statement about ASHLEY OLSON using an assumed name in an attempt to avoid the reputation that SHE HERSELF created.
All this excuse making amongst designers needs to stop. The longer all the ennabling of bad behavior goes on, the more times things like this will happen, and the more damage it does to ALL designers and digi as a whole.
How many times are things like this going to happen before the so-called community says ENOUGH and starts holding people accountable for their actions???
How many times are things like this going to happen before the so-called community says ENOUGH and starts holding people accountable for their actions???
December 15, 2008 9:17 PM
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And what have you done to hold people accountable? I keep hearing the same thing, but I never see anything happen. Community doesn't just mean designers and store owners, it means everyone.
And what have you done to hold people accountable? I keep hearing the same thing, but I never see anything happen. Community doesn't just mean designers and store owners, it means everyone.
December 15, 2008 10:15 PM
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Are you just trying to start an argument?
Are you just trying to start an argument?
December 15, 2008 10:26 PM
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No, I'm asking an honest question.
And what have you done to hold people accountable?
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Well, for one thing, I won't buy from people who have done things like Ashley has done. I won't shop in stores that let people like her sell. As a customer, about the only power I have is with my spending $.
What have YOU done?
What have YOU done?
December 16, 2008 5:26 AM
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While I don't run around and scream about holding people accountable, I have pretty much done the same as you. I try my best not to support them.
Ditto. I am a consumer, not a designer or owner. Designers are held accountable by their actions. If their actions are poor, they don't get my money. It is as simple as that.
Of course I don't have as much control of that if a disreputable designer comes back under a different name. That is why what Ashley did is sneaky and dishonest.
I don't think anyone has a problem with designers using pseudonyms. It is the facts and circumstances of what Ashley's situation that makes people upset.
If anyone wants to stick up for her, that is cool and you are entitled to your opinion. But that won't change the fact that Ashley and designers like her won't get my business.
Who is Amanda K? I'm assuming she's not Amanda Kay from Sunshine Studio, I'm hoping she doesn't accidentally get implicated in this. http://scrappersbeware.blogspot.com/
Tagger drama- :yawn:
Amanda K is Tantrum Scraps, a tagger
Oh. I never cared about tagger crap. Good for me. :)
I'm sure wondering if it's that blog's owner promoting that blog all over the place under the "helpfulness" of finding Amanda to warn her....makes me think..hmmmm
There was a freakin' post about her at DST too... just a big promotion of tagger drama... Taggers are the lowest breed.
What's a tagger? Are they people who make signatures?
Where is the post about her at DST?
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=164863
What did the thread originally say since a mod edited it?
It just said that she got an e-mail from someone that pointed her to the blog. She claimed that she was just trying to warn poor Amanda K that people were blogging nasty stuff about her. She also included the original e-mail, which was almost painful to read, the grammar was so bad (not unlike many of the comments on that blog, LOL!).
I'm 100% sure all the comments on that blog were made by one person.
Also - I don't even know what a tagger is, and therefore do not care.
Back to the relevant drama.
I wonder if this was just a diversionary tactic to draw attention away from Ashley Olson?
Even if it wasn't, taggers just suck, and it's too bad they can't or won't just keep to their own little world.
Not all taggers suck, sheesh. I'm so sick of hearing that. You hear about a few of them, so that must mean they all suck. I bet if some people read the drama about digi scrapping, they would think that all digi scrappers suck. In fact, I know that happens. There have been quite a few people turned off the whole digi scrapping world because of the smack blogs.
Making blanket statements and assuming things about a whole group because of a small group is just ignorant.
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um 3:55 your whole rant might be more believable if taggers kept their drama out of places that have no interest in it. They are constantly coming to scrapping blogs and scrapping bb's and trying to draw attention to themselves and traffic to their sites. And I'm seriously laughing that taggers would be turned off by scrapping drama. There's far more bickering, backstabbing, namecalling, and trashy behavior coming from the taggers. So really, it's actually great if they are turned off from digiscrapping. Digi doesn't need any more low lifes than it already has.
I never said anything about taggers being turned off, did I?
I find it laughable that you think more bitchiness comes from taggers, than it does the scrappers.
What the heck is a tagger!
I don't understand that Amanda K thing even a little bit.
No one that has had a problem with her seems to speak coherently enough for me to follow.
And, no one gives links or any info as to who the hell Amanda is or what store or anything, so what the hell is the point of any of it?
I heard before Joedee left ES she made off with more money......none of the designers got paid...........she changed her email and phone number too. POOF! She is gone with a few more thousand dollars. I hope she never comes back to the scrapping world.
I heard before Joedee left ES she made off with more money......none of the designers got paid...........she changed her email and phone number too. POOF! She is gone with a few more thousand dollars. I hope she never comes back to the scrapping world.
December 18, 2008 3:02 PM
After finding out that Joedee helped Ashley Olsen sell as Shantilly Faire, I'm not surprised to hear this at all.
How many past incidents were there with Joedee? She's gotten away with so much dishonesty already, that it's really not a shock is it?
I heard that Joedee is in cohoots with Santa and the Easter Bunny!
Just because you heard something, doesn't make it true.
I know there's been trouble at ES in the past, but unless there's real proof or one of the designers from ES speaks out, I'm not going to believe the latest Joedee rumors. It's just so easy to make up crap.
Santa and the Easter Bunny would not keep company with Joedee - lol
But if you look at her past - the hack and all that - it's true. She screwed off with more money.
But if you look at her past - the hack and all that - it's true. She screwed off with more money.
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In the past, yes she did. Now where's the proof she did it again? There isn't any.
In the past, yes she did. Now where's the proof she did it again? There isn't any.
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the designers not being paid
the old server bill never being paid on time etc
the designers not being paid
the old server bill never being paid on time etc
December 18, 2008 11:06 PM
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This is old stuff, not new stuff. I want proof of the new stuff she's being accused of.
Surely someone will come along soon and say that YES she did pay them. ;)
Surely someone will come along soon and say that YES she did pay them. ;)
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I wouldn't hold my breath on that.
To Joedee's friend, it is hard to prove a negative. Instead of insisting that people prove she didn't pay, why don't you prove she did. No evidence of that, now is there?
Surely someone will come along soon and say that YES she did pay them. ;)
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That made me LOL IRL!
I heard that Joedee is actually a MAN! I mean honestly, isn't it like a mnan to make you work your butt off then up and leave with everything you worked so hard for? Can I get an AMEN from the choir?!
I'm not bitter.. I'm not, I swear..
Joedee and Ashley will be back-just as soon as they need some cash.
Who in their right mind would defend Jodee at this time? I doubt even her friend Amanda will be defending her after this bout. I think she has pretty much done herself in for everyone she has ever known.
Joedee is the lowest of the low, lucky to be out and free. The things she has done to people warrant jail time honestly. She befriends idiots, believes every word they say, slanders/bad mouths people all over the internet and refuses to believe the truth when it slaps her in her thieving face.
I have been on the receiving end of her business practices and I can promise you this, she KNEW that taking Ashley on as a designer would piss everyone off and didn't care, she needed to have more money in her own pocket. The food stamps, WIC and government assistance were not good enough for her.
I'm sure she has ran out of the digi world for now, with a pocket full of money due to someone somewhere.
I'm also sure that Amanda Rockwell would still defend her if given the chance. In Joedee's own words "Amanda is my BFF". I don't blame Amanda but I don't buy from her because of her loyalty to Joedee, it is the only thing I can do personally.
Joedee should be ashamed of herself, but I promise you all that she is not, she will be back, mark my words. Attempting once again to rob the digi community blind.
That is smart. Punish Amanda because she is the friend of a jerk. I doubt she is hurting because you don't buy anything from her. How is it any ones fault that JoDee is an inconsiderate asshole? I will never get why people act like this.
I'm not Joedee's friend but I also believe in innocent until proven guilty. Clearly, the rest of you don't.
I'm not stupid and I've done my best not to support Joedee in the past when it's been shown she's wrong, but I'm not going to join this mob mentality.
Now for this:
Instead of insisting that people prove she didn't pay, why don't you prove she did. No evidence of that, now is there?
December 19, 2008 8:23 AM
It's up to the accuser to prove what they say. I thought it was only in France that it was guilty until proven innocent. I guess I was wrong.
I honestly don't care if Amanda isn't hurting from my stand not to buy from her.
It is MY own personal decision, I'm not naive enough to think that I'm going to put her out of business.
Sometimes you just have to do what feels right, and it feels right to me to not support Amanda because of her blind devotion and verbal support of Joedee, even when faced with 100% proof that her "BFF" did and continued to do the wrong thing.
If she would have stayed behind the scenes and given Joedee support, then I would have no issue with my decision. I was aware before the entire PJ's for Love(Jodee's bank account), that Amanda and Joedee were friends, but to have her publicly support her even though the deck was stacked against Joedee and almost ready to fall over, was more than I wanted to see/hear.
So once again, let me state:
I'm not asking anyone else to join my boycott, it is your decision. I was sharing with you mine.
Steering clear of those who associate with known crooks isn't stupid, it's actually a heck of a lot smarter than mixing business with friendship. The person you're calling stupid didn't badmouth Amanda, she just said she keeps away from her business wise. There's nothing wrong with that and it's her decision.
Blind devotion isn't always such a great thing.
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That is smart. Punish Amanda because she is the friend of a jerk. I doubt she is hurting because you don't buy anything from her. How is it any ones fault that JoDee is an inconsiderate asshole? I will never get why people act like this.
December 19, 2008 7:00 PM
Why throw Amanda's name in this? She has done nothing wrong.
why bring amanda into this?
because this is the high school girl's bathroom where you catch "women" hiding beneath annonymous cloaks flinging their verbal shit in order to feel powerful and better about their pathetic lives.
haven't you learned by reading this brainless drivel that these people get a hard on from making assumptions about people they truly know very little about?
They probably get all wet when they hear about new "digi gossip". They don't care who they hurt so long as they remain unscathed. It's disgusting and sad. How lonely they must be.
you forgot "fat" and "housewife"
aww 12:24, does someone need a hug?
12:24 you must be lonely as well, hanging out here giving everybody handslaps.
Ughh...just looked at SSD new releases. More Amanda Dykan collabs. Yuk, if she starts selling at that store I will never buy there again.
Ughh...just looked at SSD new releases. More Amanda Dykan collabs. Yuk, if she starts selling at that store I will never buy there again.
December 20, 2008 9:21 AM
Have to agree on this one. The fact that they are working with her so much just makes me steer clear. Well, that and the fact that they sure aren't putting much good stuff out lately.
If anyone wants to know the SSD click a sigs for today (12/20) it's meems (a template) and Zacola3 (a brush set).
I was just going to ask 1:30! Thanks!
and Sir Scrapalot collabs... omg really? His quality is the worst out there.
well really what did anyone expect when they all put ZaCola3 on their CTs AFTER she was outted as a pirate??
collabs with the likes of Dykan and Sir Scrapalot really aren't much of a step down from there
wait what? she's a pirate?
and Sir Scrapalot collabs... omg really? His quality is the worst out there.
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I was a bit surprised when I saw this as well.
SirScrapAlot is at SSD a lot, community wise.
I'm sure that is why Lauren Grier is collaborating with him.
That's sad. She's one of my favorite, but I wouldn't buy a kit with his name on it.
Nobody cares what you don't buy. Seems popular this weekend to tell everyone who you don't buy from. Another person who has done nothing to anyone gets to be on the list for this blog. Surprise surprise.
Watch out Lauren-you're next because you did a collab with someone {they} don't like.
I think she has a valid point to make. Lauren is a good designer, and it hurts her creditability in this industry to do a collab with a designer with less than industry standard designs. On the other hand, she may be doing digi-charity work by helping a newer designer make a name.
Either way, I personally don't like seeing kits from Amanda Dykan and SirScrapAlot at SSD. I would love if they ditched Melissa Bennett and Sara Amarie too.
Well I don't care if you don't care what I buy. And if Lauren doesn't care if I don't buy her collabs with him, then that's fine too. I don't care who cares. I'm not boycotting them to impress you or anyone else.
His stuff is crap and I don't want it. Simple as that.
I wonder what would happen if I made a crap scale, put your attitude on one side and his designs on the other? I have a feeling you would get a bunch of crap in your lap.
Go hug your kids or something. Or let me guess? you don't like kids either?
Ok. Well Im going to jump in here and lay myself out on the line. Im posting with my real name because I dont have anything to hide, nor do I have anything to lose.
I was until recently a pretty good friend of Joedee's. I was one to always defend her to the end, no matter what. In the years that I knew her, she had me so blinded with lies, and the charade of friendship that I actually thought she was a good person.
I wasnt around at the time of the hack, so I have no idea what that was about. All I heard was what she told me. I knew nothing of the whole Ashley issue until today.
My reason for posting is simple. The few of us that actually were her friends now know what the rest of you were trying to tell us all along. She lies, cheats, steals and uses people. I guess I shouldnt speak for everyone, but that is how I feel. I had a lot invested in Joedee. My time, my friendship and my finances. And what did I get in return? Shit on. Well I for one am done. I have cut all ties with her. I havent heard from her in almost a month. And I would like to say publicly to the designers at ES, that Im so sorry for the crap that she is putting you through. If there was anything that I could do to get you paid I would. But I dont and never have had access to that part of the site. And at this point Im tired of bailing her out, and enabling her to keep doing what she does.
With all that said, just know that at least some of us that were her friends now know just how wrong we were. In my case, as someone put it, I was an idiot.
I would love if they ditched Melissa Bennett and Sara Amarie too.
December 20, 2008 10:33 PM
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Melissa I get, but not SaraAmarie. When did Kay start selling at SSD again? I haven't been to SSD for months and haven't bought there in around two years, Amanda was still there when I last bought something.
Marisa, thanks for speaking out.
Marisa - sorry you were fooled by her. One of the problems with this industry is the mixing of business and friendship. The lines get blurred. They can't make a business decision because of "friendship" But are internet friends, "real" friends?
One of the problems with this industry is the mixing of business and friendship. The lines get blurred. They can't make a business decision because of "friendship" But are internet friends, "real" friends?
December 21, 2008 6:13 AM
Another problem is that people won't speak out publicly when someone like Joedee or Ashley rips them off. Or if they try, they're bullied into oblivion by the sunshine and roses brigade.
I wonder what would happen if I made a crap scale, put your attitude on one side and his designs on the other? I have a feeling you would get a bunch of crap in your lap.
Go hug your kids or something. Or let me guess? you don't like kids either?
December 20, 2008 10:47 PM
LOL, the sugah brigade isn't all sweet and nice now, are they?
I wonder what would happen if I made a crap scale, put your attitude on one side and his designs on the other? I have a feeling you would get a bunch of crap in your lap.
I don't get it. How would the crap get in my lap?
Crap in your lap is kinda catchy, though. I'll grant you that.
Sir Scrapalot? Really?
Amanda Dykan? Yikes!
SSD Blinkies for today: Amber1279 and Chef
Didn't someone say 3Scrapateers is closing?
I just got an email for their new Friday Freebies thing that they are starting right after Christmas and continuing in 2009...
Maybe I remember this wrong though
I wonder what would happen if I made a crap scale, put your attitude on one side and his designs on the other? I have a feeling you would get a bunch of crap in your lap.
Go hug your kids or something. Or let me guess? you don't like kids either?
December 20, 2008 10:47 PM
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Are you freaking nuts? All the woman said was that she's not going to buy Sir Scrapalot collabs. Do you think she should spend her money on inferior products just because there's a big name designer working with him? She's not boycotting Lauren, she's just not buying Lauren and Scrapalot's collabs. Get over it.
Lauren Grier is a big name designer?
SSD Blinkies for today: Amber1279 and Chef
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Thanks 10:58. I found Amber1279 and have been wasting a bunch of time clicking through siggies.
Didn't someone say 3Scrapateers is closing?
I just got an email for their new Friday Freebies thing that they are starting right after Christmas and continuing in 2009...
Maybe I remember this wrong though
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3S was going to close, but someone stepped up to buy the store? Something along that lines.
It's nice to know that while the original post of the blog is over a month old.. the comments just keep going and going for at least 10 mins of quality entertainment. It's been like a summer blockbuster.. lies, money, a little comedy and a lot of fluff.
you can always tell when there's truth to the gossip.....that's when all the naysayers, handslappers, etc. show up and start yapping
Lauren Grier is a big name designer?
December 21, 2008 1:18 PM
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LMAO! You're right, I should have said 'better quality designer'. I actually have no clue who she is, but from the comments here I gathered that her quality is better than Scrapalot's.
When did Amanda Dykan start selling at Sunshine Studio? I'm pretty surprised by that one.
My ass has better quality than... nm I have no idea where I was headed there.
Hi everyone, I heard there was a lot of talk about Jo here. I wanted to come on here and officially state that I have also decided to cut ties with her. I so admire Marisa's strength in coming forward so I decided to not only back her up, but to also state that I cannot support Jo anymore after the way she has treated people. Thanks for listening, Stephanie
Lauren Grier is a big name designer?
December 21, 2008 1:18 PM
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So who is in your opinion? Big name doesn't equal quality, no matter what some people think.
It's nice to know that while the original post of the blog is over a month old.. the comments just keep going and going for at least 10 mins of quality entertainment. It's been like a summer blockbuster.. lies, money, a little comedy and a lot of fluff.
December 21, 2008 2:15 PM
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I see the Superior Brigade has arrived. Just posting here brings you down to the same level so get that smug little smile off your face.
Not sure what good it does to turn on Joedee now that she's vanished.
Hi everyone, I heard there was a lot of talk about Jo here. I wanted to come on here and officially state that I have also decided to cut ties with her. I so admire Marisa's strength in coming forward so I decided to not only back her up, but to also state that I cannot support Jo anymore after the way she has treated people. Thanks for listening, Stephanie
December 21, 2008 6:58 PM
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still a sheep huh steph?
baaa
Not sure what good it does to turn on Joedee now that she's vanished.
December 21, 2008 7:18 PM
As someone who, fortunately, found out a long time just what kind of person Jo is, trust me when I tell you she hasn't vanished. She's around, she can't not be, it would drive her crazy not to know what's being said and what's going on. Oh yes, she's very much around, somewhere out there.
Oh.My.Gosh. Is that THE Stephanie Ogren? I can not tell you how long I have waited to tell that bitch what I think of her!
Stephanie, you are the most holier-than-thou, judgemental, bitchy woman I have had the misfortune to come in contact with in the scrapping community. EVERYTHING you say comes off as snide and snarky. If your avatar is any indication, you even look like a bitch on wheels! I wouldn't give you a penny of my money if your designs had the ability to sprout wings and grant me three wishes. I loathe you. Suck my ass.
ROTFL at post 10:56. I totally agree.
I love that these people were Jo's friends when she ripped off a charity, but now that she ran off with their money, Jo is now a horrible person.
Sorry you feel that way, 10:56. I didn't realize I was coming off that way.
Sorry you feel that way, 10:56. I didn't realize I was coming off that way.
December 21, 2008 11:41 PM
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You don't, but some people are threatened by any sign of intelligence, it makes them look and feel even more stupid than the actually are. And before anyone starts, degrees don't mean a damn thing. Some of the stupidest people I have ever met have had degrees.
you are the most holier-than-thou, judgemental, bitchy woman I have had the misfortune to come in contact with in the scrapping community.
December 21, 2008 10:56 PM
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Honey, are you looking in a mirror right now?
Thanks ladies for standing up for me, I appreciate it!
I also want to say that maybe I was too hasty in my statement about Jo before. I was feeling empowered by Marisa's comment and wanted people to know that I also didn't condone Jo's behavior. But seriously, who cares if I condone it not? I probably just gathered some unwanted attention here which wasn't my intent. Anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is that while I don't support Jo's actions, I still care about her. It is my hope that eventually she will do the right thing. Thanks for listening and I'm still fretting about 10:56.
Stephanie said...
Thanks ladies for standing up for me, I appreciate it!
I also want to say that maybe I was too hasty in my statement about Jo before. I was feeling empowered by Marisa's comment and wanted people to know that I also didn't condone Jo's behavior. But seriously, who cares if I condone it not? I probably just gathered some unwanted attention here which wasn't my intent. Anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is that while I don't support Jo's actions, I still care about her. It is my hope that eventually she will do the right thing. Thanks for listening and I'm still fretting about 10:56.
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love you can't stay with the same ideal about a subject as it moves on. you are actually a perfect match for joedee as she does pretty much what you do.
sheep
love you can't stay with the same ideal about a subject as it moves on. you are actually a perfect match for joedee as she does pretty much what you do.
December 22, 2008 2:26 AM
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At least she has the courage to stand by her words with her name, which is more than you are doing.
You are right. I am a huge coward for being a jerk to people for no reason and not signing my name to it.
You have to understand. When I was little everyone picked on me. My own parents loved picking on me. I was such an ugly child. I am still ugly to this day. I have gotten really-REALLY fat and now that I am bigger then everyone else I can bully others the way they bullied me.
I am sorry Stephanie. I cannot help but to act like a giant bag of douche.
signed-The Asshole @ 2:26 am
I also need to apologize to you Stephanie.
I had a similar problem to the previous poster. Not only did my parents pick on me-they sold tickets for the neighbors to join in.
I recently got a cut in my food stamps and it is just so hard to get money together now that I have to spend the majority of that money on lottery tickets. I am also about to lose my trailer.
I should know better then to take it out on you. I am the real bitch on wheels as you can tell by my previous post. I have a huge issue with hypocrisy. I have not found a way to control it.
Please forgive me for being a twit :(
Signed-The ugly bitch @ 10:56 PM
So how much money did Joedee run away with this time?
Someone needs to pursue her legally.
I wonder if it ever bothers Joedee's friends that their stubborn refusal to hold her accountable just made it possible for her to hurt and/or rip off even more people?
They don't think she's done anything wrong. It's all been one misunderstanding after another and if everyone would just give her a chance, she'd do the right thing!
So how much money did Joedee run away with this time?
That's what I was wondering. I'd like to hear the full story, if anyone knows it. Did she rip off her designers? How long since they got paid, or how much are any of them out? I wish I had known that. I would have NEVER made the last few purchases I made at ES if I had known the designers weren't getting paid for what I purchased!
[/QUOTE]They don't think she's done anything wrong. It's all been one misunderstanding after another and if everyone would just give her a chance, she'd do the right thing![QUOTE]
OK, I'm giving her a chance, now, do the right thing.
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Let's just say the designers are out thousands and the only time they didn't get paid was the last payout before Joedee sold the site. And I know a few of the designers are out between $200 and $500 alone. She's had her many chances and has given excuse after excuse about paying. She deserves no more chances, and trust me, she doesn't plan on doing the right thing.
She's had her many chances and has given excuse after excuse about paying. She deserves no more chances, and trust me, she doesn't plan on doing the right thing.
December 22, 2008 11:11 AM
So what makes you say this now? Is it possible that she will come back and do the right thing? I guess I'm just wondering what makes this time different?
Thank you SSD Fairy!!!
I would have NEVER made the last few purchases I made at ES if I had known the designers weren't getting paid for what I purchased!
December 22, 2008 10:33 AM
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The new owner pays on time every time! Right now withholding purchases only hurts those designers that didn't get paid when jodee left.
So what makes you say this now? Is it possible that she will come back and do the right thing? I guess I'm just wondering what makes this time different?
December 22, 2008 11:43 AM
What makes this time different is that she has stopped contact with people that she used to talk to almost daily. There is no way to contact her.
So were all the past rumors of Joedee not paying on time true? What about the whole charity scam? Did she ever pay the charity? How many people knew she had brought Ashley Olson on as Shantilly Faire? Was the site really hacked or was that all a lie, too?
The rumors of Joedee never paying on time was true. No one knew about Shantilly Faire being Ashley Olson and the charity thing, still no answer to that. No one knows for sure if that and the whole hacking thing was true.
so if Joedee never paid on time I just have a hard time wrapping my mind around the fact that so many people sold there and just kept letting her get away with it. Why would so many just stand idly by? Why not just expose what was happening? I know some felt like Joedee was their friend, but surely not all of them felt so close to her that they felt obligated to keep quiet??
you didn't notice the designer turn over? and they also have their own reputations to protect and of the store they are selling in. It's possible that they were making money at ES and not at other stores?
Creating bad press for the store you sell at, no matter how well-intentioned, is not a good business move.
Oh, I noticed the turnover, but honestly, there's so much turnover all throughout digi, that if I used that as a gauge, a huge number of stores aren't paying on time.
Someone PLEASE help me understand the mentality throughout the digi community that all problems and issues must be hushed up.
If a store is ripping off its designers, how can people just keep quiet and let it keep happening to others?
If you sold at a B/M store, would you just let paycheck after paycheck go or would you take action? I'm just trying to figure out why it's so different online. why so much ennabling and looking the other way?
1:48 you don't hear about companies not paying their employees even in a b&m situation. I've known people that work in b&m stores and business and get paid late all the time. It sucks but sometimes it's the reality of small business.
And it isn't the digi community's business. That's something that I don't understand about this industry is that so many are purchasing basing on the perceived moral of the designers or store owner. The community feels that they have the right to know all the gossip and then make their decisions from there. That's not how business works in the real world unless you live in a small-town community that is wrought with gossip.
I can only speak for myself on the payment issue. I felt Jo and I were friends, which is why I put up with it. I felt that she would get the money to me (and the rest of us) when she could. Sometimes personal problems would crop up for her and she wasn't able to pay us on time. I wasn't trying to cover for her in the digi community, just didn't think it was necessary to air ES' and Jo's dirty laundry.
That's not how business works in the real world unless you live in a small-town community that is wrought with gossip.
December 22, 2008 2:17 PM
Well, a small community wrought with gossip is exactly what digi really is. Designers and store owners choose to act like friends to customers and participate in digital forums. They perpetuate the "we're all friends here" attitude.
They also expect customers to be understanding if they don't have time for the business side of things. They don't want "bad publicity" or customer complaints, or a BBB type organization for digital.
But you can't have it both ways. If designers and store owners want their customers to treat it like an impersonal transaction, they need to conduct their business that way and act completely professional.
And if it's none of the community's business anyway, why are designes coming here and leaking the gossip and secrets in the first place?
maybe some of them like throwing a little bone to you dirty dogs.
Have a nice day 2:35. It sounds like you could use one.
So, no one has RL contact info on Joedee? If she's disappeared with a few thousand dollars, can't charges be filed against her?
no one can get a hold of her any longer. The numbers people have for her are no longer working. There is a home address and it is possible that someone could contact her husbands work. does anybody know where he works?
1:48 you don't hear about companies not paying their employees even in a b&m situation. I've known people that work in b&m stores and business and get paid late all the time. It sucks but sometimes it's the reality of small business.
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1:48 here. My first job was working for a small business. Pay was late once, and over 1/2 of the employees found other jobs, me included. I know that many small businesses struggle, I guess I just don't understand why people will keep working for a business that can't or won't make payroll. Did most of the designers at ES consider themselves to be really close friends with Joedee? I'm just trying to understand how she got away with so much for so long.
Maybe there aren't answers. Maybe some people are just really good crooks. I don't know, but I guess I wonder about people like her because I would love to be able to spot them or see a sign before they can do so much damage.
I guess at this point I wonder if it's better to try and be trusting and give the benefit of doubt to people, or just bail and run at the first sign of trouble.
If someone has a physical address, can't law enforcement in that area be called or contacted?
There are lots of public record sites online too where you can find all kinds of stuff on someone. Maybe all the designers that are owed money could pitch in to use one of those and the cost of that could be added to what she owes everyone.
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no one can get a hold of her any longer. The numbers people have for her are no longer working. There is a home address and it is possible that someone could contact her husbands work. does anybody know where he works?
December 22, 2008 3:46 PM
Law enforcement will not go to a home if you say you were never paid online. It probably would not hurt to try, though.
I guess I just don't understand why people will keep working for a business that can't or won't make payroll.
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I don't get that either. I worked at one store where pay was usually late, I stayed two months, which was four pays. Understand that I was getting paid, just not on time, sometimes it would be almost a week late. The owner was new and I was giving her chance to work out the kinks, but two months was enough in my book. I left without looking back. The store eventually closed, promising to come back but it never did.
Well lookee here, mighty interesting, this dates back to November 2006, but looks it all went down in May 2006, so it's not just the digi community she was ripping off.
http://surmunity.com/signed-up/20879-help-needed-about-registration-site.html
http://surmunity.com/signed-up/20879-help-needed-about-registration-site.html
December 22, 2008 5:42 PM
Sadly, this isn't surprising. I'm sure that Joedee's an expert at conning people online.
Well lookee here, mighty interesting, this dates back to November 2006, but looks it all went down in May 2006, so it's not just the digi community she was ripping off.
http://surmunity.com/signed-up/20879-help-needed-about-registration-site.html
December 22, 2008 5:42 PM
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and people wonder why others say Joedee took the money and ran. the new owner of ES should be shown that. Also be mindful that how many of those designers are overseas. I know of one that hasn't seen a dime in over a month.
I also think that those who are in shops under slimeballs like joedee that there is hope when they get the invoices showing the sales themselves, that the "owner" won't screw them. I am sure some may feel that if they say anything they will be locked out with their product still in the owner's hand. it is a no win with a false sense of security with a contract signed, kwim?
Sadly, this isn't surprising. I'm sure that Joedee's an expert at conning people online.
December 22, 2008 6:11 PM
Yes, people like her and Ashley Olson and Tandika have plenty of practice at being thieves and I'm sure they're happily moving on to their next scam as we speak.
If digital scrapbooking stores were going to run like stores "in the real world" as you say - the prices would be far higher.
Once again, designers prove where the us vs. them mentality comes from.
Once again, designers prove where the us vs. them mentality comes from.
Huh??? Have no clue what you're talking about??
It sounds like the only safe way to sell is to set up your own shop.
December 23, 2008 10:29 AM
I think it's the other way around. Not all scrappers, just the ones here preying on designers' problems.
MAN BEAR PIG
Half Man
Half Bear
Half Pig
MAN BEAR PIG!
Not all scrappers, just the ones here preying on designers' problems.
December 23, 2008 11:06 AM
Yet here you are, preying with the best of them @@
Has anyone found the second Click-a-sig at SSD today? I found Nettio, but can't find the second one.
Tracyfish I think.
The second click a sig at SSD is Tracyfish :)
MAN BEAR PIG
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Man bear pig is very serious.
I've got you now, you son of a bitch!
Whateva! Whateva! I do what I want!
Joedee Matsler-thief
Ashley Olson-thief
Tandika Star-thief
They are like the Big 3.
Who is Tandika and what did she do?
Who is Tandika and what did she do?
December 23, 2008 4:19 PM
had a subscription site, and shut it down with no warning and would not refund members' fees-even those who had just subscribed
What is the big attraction to Flergs?
No one said there is or was a big attraction to Flergs.
All the crooks in the community have run pretty hinky sites. Joedee with ES, Ashley with TDS, and Tandika with whatever its name was.
Maybe they just pulled their scams to hit the digi "big time" They wouldn't have any other claim to digi fame otherwise.
Sure seems to be a long line at the tunnel that leads up her ass.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What is the big attraction to Flergs?
December 23, 2008 7:01 PM
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Why does someone always come here and ask that? This isn't DST where CTs that aren't 'really' CTs make 'fake' threads looking for stuff. Sheesh.
Half Man
Half Bear
Half Pig
MAN BEAR PIG!
December 23, 2008 11:36 AM
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Shouldn't that be half woman? And how do you get three halves?
Why does someone always come here and ask that? This isn't DST where CTs that aren't 'really' CTs make 'fake' threads looking for stuff. Sheesh.
It's probably her.
This is serious...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf69EEL3WBk
Half Man
Half Bear
Half Pig
it's either someone trying to stop the attention that Ashley and Joedee's latest thievery has gotten
or
it's someone trying to pimp Flergs
This is SUPER Cereal!
Maybe it was Al Gore!
Tis the season and all that, so wishing everyone happy celebrations.
I do not think Tandika started out as a thief. In fact, she was just the opposite. When no one - and I mean NO ONE - would talk about how the digiscrap stores worked, how to run the business, set pricing and commissions, she was willing to do so. Her mentorship program was amazing.
What I believe is that she was unable to emotionally deal with the venomous pirating of her actions and tutorials - which also were some of the best available anywhere.
I think she snapped like a twig in a ice storm - lost her sense of what was right and who/what the enemy was. But I do not put her in the same league as the sociopaths that set up fake charity plans and steal from people.
She was a better human than her last days in the digiworld. Too bad she couldn't come out of the cold and make it right for those who trusted her, never stole her work and thought very highly of her.
Happy Christmas to you too 12:07!
1.29, I agree. I think Tandika did put her heart and soul out there and then it all came tumbling down and she didn't know how to cope with it. It was a very public nervous breakdown and I get very sad when people slam her the way they do. I think the slamming that went on at the time just made it so much worse for her, which is why she reacted the way she did.
SSD clicks - FlirtatiousBrat / lissab
I'm just glad that not every designer or store owner who has something pirated is made of tougher stuff than Tandika. That's a cop out.
Someone pirating her tutorials does not excuse or justify what she did. And if she had truly had a breakdown, she wouldn't have had the time, energy, or inclination to lie to Paypal about the chargebacks or whatever they're called.
She stole from people just like Joedee and Ashley did.
I agree. People in this industry get pirated every day. They don't snap and steal people's money. She had plenty of time to go "whoa, ok, I overreacted, I need to make this right."
Why are people harder on Ashley, who eventually paid all designers in full, than Tandika who never reimbursed customers or apologized for her action?
I am not condoning Ashley's actions, but I think she tried her best to make things right in the end.
I predict that if people found out Tandika was selling in the industry again, under a fake name, she'd be back on the front line again.
Out of sight, out of mind.
I think there were a couple more factors in the Tandika saga: The first one was sudden growth in the popularity of scanned or photographed and extracted "real" items, which she couldn't compete with.
The other was the huge increase in availability of CU items, from overlays to just about every element you could name. She was disgusted with that, and I remember a rant where she talked about designers selling stuff "they had no right to be selling!" I think there was getting to be much less of a demand for her tutorials as both of those things increased. She saw her influence and/or "power" slipping away, and decided to go out with a bang.
I agree though, that in the beginning, she was completely honest and ethical. It's too bad she let that go so quickly and completely.
once upon a time..
in a galaxy far far away...
SCRAP WARS!
*cue in dramatic John Williams Music*
In the Digi Scrap Empire the Evil Lady Jo tricked her servants into designing digital kits for the Digi Scrap Empire! Little did they know that secretly she was plotting to run with the money and vanish without a trace. This is where our story begins...
*cue in flame posts*
So she used the force to steal the money? Neato.
Do not question the power of the force!
No, Ashley, I AM your father!
SSD clicks - FlirtatiousBrat / lissab
December 24, 2008 7:32 AM
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Thanks 7:32!
Are there other digi smack blogs? This one is slow and boring.
I am not condoning Ashley's actions, but I think she tried her best to make things right in the end.
December 24, 2008 9:45 AM
So how was selling under a fake name making things right in the end?
And how can you be sure she paid all the designers?
No, Ashley, I AM your father!
December 24, 2008 11:54 AM
Ashley, follow me to the dark side. Together we can rule the galaxy!
Thanks SSD Fairy!!!
Are there other digi smack blogs? This one is slow and boring.
December 24, 2008 12:54 PM
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So go and make your own. Not everyone wants to talk smack all the time, some people like having a discussion. I guess you aren't one of them.
Please point me to the part of this blog where the intelligent conversation takes place.
I hope JoDee and her family are enjoying a wonderful Christmas thanks to all the hard working designers at Elemental Scraps.
Well, well.......Tillie AKA Ashley has made a reappearance at DST. If nothing else, she's awfully shameless and persistent.
I wonder what her next alias will be?
I'm sure she is. Ashley and Tandika, too. People like that don't feel guilt or have consciences.
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I hope JoDee and her family are enjoying a wonderful Christmas thanks to all the hard working designers at Elemental Scraps.
December 24, 2008 5:02 PM
I am not positive that Ashley paid all of the designers, but I was paid in full.
And for the whole "Shantilly Faire" thing. Was she suppose to never design again? Was she suppose to never come back to "digi world" bacause she made a mistake?
If she wanted to design again, what choice did she have? Who is going to hire "THE Ashley Olsen"?
Who makes this community the judge and jury?
Apparently Joedee - since she knew all along Shantilly was Ashley.
Not to mention that Ashley said she would never come back to the digiworld; her own words, not our's.
Not to mention that Ashley said she would never come back to the digiworld; her own words, not our's.
December 24, 2008 11:43 PM
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http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showpost.php?p=959132&postcount=1
yup said she wasn't going to be a part in thie "community"
Please point me to the part of this blog where the intelligent conversation takes place.
December 24, 2008 4:05 PM
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Did I say intelligent? No, I didn't, I said discussion.
Who makes this community the judge and jury?
December 24, 2008 9:11 PM
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Er, I guess the person who ripped the community off made us judge and jury.
No, she wasn't supposed to design again. Why should she expect to after ripping people off, slinking away, then only coming back when it was obvious she was about to be in legal trouble? To top it off, she claimed "breakdown" to try to excuse herself.
She didn't make a mistake, she lied and stole from people. That's not an oopsie, it's a conscious choice.
As for who's going to hire THE Ashley Olson.....no one, and why should they? Why don't YOU take a chance on her if you think she's just a poor, misunderstood soul?
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And for the whole "Shantilly Faire" thing. Was she suppose to never design again? Was she suppose to never come back to "digi world" bacause she made a mistake?
If she wanted to design again, what choice did she have? Who is going to hire "THE Ashley Olsen"?
Who makes this community the judge and jury?
December 24, 2008 9:11 PM
I'm sure Joedee knows she faces legal trouble.
I don't see her running back to make things right.
Merry Freakin' Christmas to all the designers she stole from.
Joedee might still reappear. It took Ashley quite a while to slither back and even longer to supposedly make things right.
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I'm sure Joedee knows she faces legal trouble.
I don't see her running back to make things right.
Merry Freakin' Christmas to all the designers she stole from.
December 25, 2008 8:10 AM
SSD clicks for 12/26 - cindys732003 and Aggie Aviso
I hope she faces legal trouble!
It will be wonderful news if they arrest her for this. This is far worse then Ashley and Tandika IMO.
It is Christmas for Pete's sake.
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I'm sure Joedee knows she faces legal trouble.
I don't see her running back to make things right.
Merry Freakin' Christmas to all the designers she stole from.
December 25, 2008 8:10 AM
I'm sure there were plenty of gifts under the tree for Jodee's children-at the expense of all her ES designers.
Why anyone ever believed a word that came out of her mouth is unreal to me.
She steals from children in hospitals, at the expense of many members of the digi community. She never paid her designers on time.
She brought a designer on at ES who also had a fun time ripping the community off.
What a piece of work, all the while big named designers still believe her lies and support her loudly. Gag-I hope this opens so many eyes and people can look back on all the Joedee fiascoes and finally judge for themselves the validity of her "claims" and know for positive that at every step of the way she stole, lied, manipulated and even made up crap to try and weasel her way back into the good graces of so many people, not caring a bit whom she destroyed along the way.
I honestly hope that the designers press charges against her, I hope she has no friends left in the community-people like Joedee do not deserve to be among a community filled with so much good.
I'm sure that she is still reading here, and everywhere else too as is Ashley...sooo Merry Christmas Girls, hope your family had a wonderful Holiday.
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