The rest of the story...a place to freely discuss "the hub of the digital scrapbook community"
Saturday, April 11, 2009
Happy Easter!
I told you I would be back around Easter! What has been going on around the digi scene? Looks like the Scrapper Awards are coming to DST soon, always some good controversy with those. National Scrapbook day coming hopefully some good sales.
haha - according to Lily Anne's blog from the 24th, she might hit a crop at a scrapbook shop in Dallas. Wonder if anyone living in Dallas would go check her out? LOLOL
In a minute, I'll go through the comments and make a list of coincidences. I'm not posting it at dst - as I don't want to get in the drama there but maybe I will post it here for someone else to post, or PM it to FrenchRuby
In a minute, I'll go through the comments and make a list of coincidences. I'm not posting it at dst - as I don't want to get in the drama there but maybe I will post it here for someone else to post, or PM it to FrenchRuby
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Instead of a minute you should have said tomorrow with all the evidence you will find!
But wait, I thought you all decided that if Amanda got banned, that meant they WERE 2 different people, because that would indicate Amanda shared her log in info. ;)
FroOoOtLOoPp Sally or whatever posted under 2 names for a long time and no one banned her.
In this instance I think it means Shannon was forced to ban her, because the only alternative would be to admit they are the same person. And that would be libel, wouldn't it. Ahem.
In a minute, I'll go through the comments and make a list of coincidences. I'm not posting it at dst - as I don't want to get in the drama there but maybe I will post it here for someone else to post, or PM it to FrenchRuby -------------------------------- I think it is a good idea NOT to post at DST. Shannon doesn't want speculation and is worried about "libel" at DST.
Well looks like Amanda Dykan got banned from DST. Guess the screenshot was real, and I guess Shannon couldn't deny knowing it any more... -------------
If she was banned, her name would still be in the members list with the word banned in her profile.
It looks like Amanda removed herself from DST completely, as her name is gone from the list.
I just saw Shannon's post too. I'm so tired of the unrelated reasons that everyone is giving out. Don't they realize it just makes everything worse?
When I looked at the member list for Amanda http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/memberlist.php?do=getall, I couldn't see her name. Interesting that her profile is still active.
Okay here's my list, everyone feel free to add to it and keep it going if I missed anything. Or post it at DST if you want
1. There is a screenshot of Amanda posting under her name at DST as LilyAnne and then it was later deleted (could be fake) http://i42.tinypic.com/2r1zhmq.jpg
2. If you search LilyAnne's name on google, nothing comes up for her besides digi scrapping stuff since she first appeared. Yet, she supposedly worked for a paper scrapping company
3. They're from the same town in Texas
4. They're previews are very similar, just reversed and in different colors LA - http://www.shabbypickledesigns.com/boutique/product.php?productid=17220 AD - http://www.amandadykan.com/shoppe/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=177
5. She was kicked out of SO for a "CU issue" according to some people and then this whole AD thing came out
6. She was only around for less than a month and was selling at ES and SO and guesting at Shabby Pickle
7. Amanda Dykan used CU doodles of a table and chairs in one of her kits (http://www.amandadykan.com/shoppe/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=169) from Sweet Genieveve (http://www.oscraps.com/shop/product.php?productid=17142) then later, LilyAnne came out with doodles very similar that just look a little altered (http://www.shabbypickledesigns.com/boutique/product.php?productid=17280), the legs curve in all the exact same ways with a few extra lines added. Amanda has made a video before on how to alter doodles (http://www.penscrappers.com/2008/12/01/amanda-dykan-2/ ). Remember how LilyAnne was supposedly kicked out of SO for a CU issue? Hmmm
8. LilyAnne is a Bud Club subscriber (which Amanda once owned) and is also a super mod on Amanda's site. She is also one of Amanda's CT members
9. LilyAnne and Amanda are in the same network on facebook. Amanda Dykan was also LilyAnne's first friend on facebook
10. They write very similar (such as how they word things and talk in forums)
11. They both sell at Memory Mixers
12. They use the same type of shadowing, not just similar but EXACT. It goes upwards instead of the normal shadow angle.
13. The first post LilyAnne ever had at DST was in response to ES' designer call which was her first store she sold at. Amanda could have saw this and "created" LilyAnne that day
14. When giving credit on LOs in galleries, both LilyAnne and Amanda say "remaining items" for the few things left in their credits. Not a very common phrase in credits
15. This woman is on both LA's and AD's CT: http://merank.blogspot.com/
16. They have very very similar products at Memory Mixers. For example, this (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=vrwtc2&s=5). Also notice the exact same shadowing on the preview. Not close, but EXACT. Same distance, softness, angle.
17. Amanda Kay sold with Amanda Dykan at Purple Paper Flowers and now Amanda Kay is on LilyAnne's CT
18. Kate Earley (owner of Digital Candy) once said that she knew LilyAnne and Amanda Dykan both in real life. She claimed to have gone to college with LA 10 years ago, but now that this is all coming out, Kate denies every saying that. And we all know Kate just happens to be a good friend of Amanda's.
19. LilyAnne supposedly worked for a paper company called Autumn Leaves, when contacted they said they have been getting many calls about LilyAnne but have no idea who she is and have no record of her ever working for them
20. Amanda Dykan can be found on WhitePages but there's no LilyAnne Taylor to be found
21. Since all this has happened, LilyAnne hasn't been heard from
I've been thinking about that screen shot at the start. at first I wondered about it because there was no reply button and the post count on that post was the same as AD's current post count. My initial reaction was that someone had been careless about those details....
on further thought, what if it was a DST moderator? They could see a post's contents after it would have been deleted. They may have found the deleted thread on the 24th or 25th (the same day it was posted here) and checked the contents of it, therefore not actually *sitting* on the image for a week. It would also explain why there were no reply buttons and why the post count was the same since it would have been after AD deleted it anyway. Would someone wanting to set AD up have thought THAT thoroughly about the details of that post to pull it off correctly? I'm a smart person and I doubt I would have researched it enough to have changed those things....
22. Since entering the digi world Lilyanne has worked on numerous collab kits that leaves her no time to post on her blog. This was just like Amanda's m.o.
And did you notice in the screenshot of Amanda's post, there's a little trashcan in the bottom right corner? Also notice the buttons in the top right corner. Only ones a mod would have... hmmm
why would anyone ponder hmm here is a new designer applying at es and ol' amanda is my enemy, I will make a screen shot of her being the new designer and it is really my best friend?
it gets stranger and stranger ha ha the real designing woman reality show!
no I didn't mean that a mod set her up, I meant exactly opposite... the fact that someone *probably* wouldn't have been brainiac to think of *every* detail a mod would have tells me that the shot was real. imho
I'm sad that LilyAnne has become mia. I would have like to hear her side of the story. I think SHE is the only one who can really speak to this whole situation.
For sure, and just what the heck was she trying to say? The gist of it I suppose is that she thinks it could've been handled in a better way? But wow, reading that just confused the hell out of me!
The more I look at that screenshot, the more fake it seems. I think Amanda's name is real, but the fact that it shows the old message format of DST is suspicious. I think it was originally a message written by Amanda, but the body of the message has been changed. The last time Amanda posted was in January, so her post count would have been 868, the rest of the stuff is all made up.
no actually, that post format is exactly what you'd see if you were a mod at a vbulletin forum. And, if the shot was taken by someone during the few minutes that it was not deleted at DST, it would say 869 posts since her post count is now 868 after it was deleted. only a mod with access to see a deleted post would be seeing a post count of 868.
That computer icon is something that only mods can see, I know because I run another vbulletin forum. It shows the ip of the poster.
I had a look at the screenshot at 200% and there is no evidence that the screenshot has been faked.
There had to be SOME kind of reason that Amanda has been banned, and my guess is that it is the presumption, that 'lilyanne' was logged in under Amanda's account. That would be grounds to be banned, and I suspect Shannon has enough evidence to ban her as she appears to be very careful about that kind of thing.
panties in a bunch~but I got over it! the kit is good! I will give mucho kudos that kit is freakin' awesome! and not one flower with a sparkle! how wonderfully refreshing is that?
lol at the description: This kit isn’t for the faint or demure. This is Sex, Drugs and Rock ‘n Roll….Old School. We aren’t talking prissy sweet Hannah Montana or Jonas Brothers. We are talking down and dirty. Real. This kit is for those who lived the 80’s. Who lived the music. Who understand what went on behind the scenes. This is for you!
April 29, 2009 11:00 PM ----------------------------------- Ok, it is pretty clear that they are direct (traced or whatever) copies but not identical. That is Amanda's MO isn't it?
Who is this Pink Cat Studio.. Is the lily collection a designer or the origin of AD alter ego?
Ok, it is pretty clear that they are direct (traced or whatever) copies but not identical. That is Amanda's MO isn't it?
Who is this Pink Cat Studio.. Is the lily collection a designer or the origin of AD alter ego?
April 29, 2009 11:22 PM
Pink Cat Studio is owned by Melissa Rodger of Canada. Melissa is also the artist of the stamps that Amanda blatantly ripped off. This is so sad. I hope Melissa sues her butt off!
Hi Ladies, I'm sorry I haven't checked in with you all sooner. We are still trying to get the forum up over at ImaginaryCrackers.com. Once it's up, we'll move the CT forum over there.
I know you have allllll probably seen the drama about me in the community. I'm gone from ScrapOrchard, as I mentioned before. There is a rumour going around that I am Amanda Dykan. Well, Amanda and I are very close friends. So close, in fact, that we have decided to open a full fledged site together. That site will be www.imaginarycrackers.com. Please rest assured that I am not going anywhere. For the time being I am still at Shabby Pickle Designs. Hopefully that won't change.
If you have any questions, you all know (at least I hope you do), that you can talk to me freely. I am so honored to have all of you on the team, and I don't want to lose any of you- especially over something as silly as all of this.
I am staying out of the situation and drama as much as possible. If you're wondering where I've been, that's why. Real life has been keeping me busy these last couple of weeks, so it's really all worked out.
Anyway, please touch base with me and let me know how you all are doing.
I am staying out of the situation and drama as much as possible. ------------------
All I can say is that if all the drama was about me, I wouldn't be staying out of it. What does she think is going to happen? That it will go away? What a doofus.
Who is this Pink Cat Studio.. Is the lily collection a designer or the origin of AD alter ego?
April 29, 2009 11:22 PM
Pink Cat Studio is owned by Melissa Rodger of Canada. Melissa is also the artist of the stamps that Amanda blatantly ripped off. This is so sad. I hope Melissa sues her butt off!
April 29, 2009 11:30 PM
Gosh, I wonder what SPD is going to do about all those copyrighted commercial use doodles they have been selling? What a nighmare for everyone involved!
I'm starting to buy into the idea that they are two separate people. But they definitely are connected. But Amanda's been banned from DST and LAT's kits have been removed from all the stores. This is not boding well for her future. Which is quite a shame as she seems to have a lot of talent.
Okay, either one of LA's CT is revealing private info - not cool even if you don't like LA - OR that post was total BS. -------------------------------- At this point I don't think it is uncool. I think even her CT is starting to question everything. At least sharing that is giving us some insight into LilyAnne.
If it is total BS, then shame on whoever would post a made up thing when all we are trying to do is get some answers here.
Which is quite a shame as she seems to have a lot of talent.
April 30, 2009 12:38 AM ----------------------------- What, at copying other peoples work? ----------------------------- I don't think everything in her kit is copied. And she obviously has good design and color skills. I just don't understand why she would start out in this industry copying other peoples work. If Amanda taught her about this community like she said she did, LAT should have known that using other peoples work is no ok. It truly does not make sense to me.
I'm still baffled here. After Amanda's issue with using someone else's work, you would think she would have made sure her good friend understood copyright.
Maybe Lily had permission to use various doodles and stamps. But then why did SO and SP pull her kits.
And finally I almost spewed coffee all over my monitor when I read that they were opening a full fledged site together.
This is starting to feel like some kind of weird twilight zone episode .
Well I have a feeling we are not going to hear much more from AD or LAT after this. Unless LAT has some kind of explanation for all this. But it sounds like from her post to her CT's that she is in total denial so I am not expecting her to come over here with any kind of explanation.
Maybe Lily had permission to use various doodles and stamps. ------------------
I highly doubt she would have had permission to use those stamp doodles, unless she paid a fair bit for them. If she did, it should credit Melissa in the description.
I don't think everything in her kit is copied. And she obviously has good design and color skills. I just don't understand why she would start out in this industry copying other peoples work. If Amanda taught her about this community like she said she did, LAT should have known that using other peoples work is no ok. It truly does not make sense to me.
April 30, 2009 12:56 AM
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Not overlooking the fact that LA supposedly designed in the paper world, and therefore she would know all about copyright on images. In fact, Autumn Leaves produces stamps. There is absolutely no reason at all that she wouldn't know about copyright.
I suspect this is the reason why she get kicked out of SO.
I don't really believe that they are one and the same person. But I do get the impression that they have been close friends for some time and probably know each other well in real life.
This is all just speculation .... but perhaps they were fans of each other's work, perhaps they shared working alongside each other, perhaps when one was unable to continue in the digi world she encouraged the other to take over from her, perhaps putting in a good word with store owners and suggest designers to collab with, perhaps providing her with tips, resources, getting products together etc - sort of cloning herself and being some kind of mentor.
It's just a pity that if this were the case, she also passed on her (alleged/proven) dishonorable practices and methods. One of them could be the reason she was banned from DST, namely allowing her access to the DCR using her own log in details. If that screen shot is real, this was a definite faux pas perhaps resulting from an over-eagerness to get her name out there after being groomed for so long.
Yes, if she has indeed been a paper designer for so long (under a pseudonym maybe?) she should be fully aware of copyright issues and such. Perhaps her "mentor" passed these on to her to use from her own stash (whether obtained legally or otherwise) in order to get a collection of products made up quickly so she could apply to stores. Or perhaps the two of them collaborated together to get them done, resulting in similar previews/products, etc.
Either way, you are known by the company you keep .... bad choice in friends, probably influenced by a sweet-talker who promised great things for her future and now it all comes tumbling down.
Again, all the above is still pure speculation. Perhaps the only way to know if they are one and the same (which I still doubt) would be to post a photo of themselves together. But even that can be doctored in Photoshop.....
That could be the case. It's just strange that IF they were such 'good friends' you would expect them to stand up for each other to put all speculation aside. Both are aware of what is being posted on this blog. Why not come forward and protect your 'friend', removing all doubt and clearing up her name? That's what 'real friends' would do for each other, right?? The silence is deafening when your name and reputation are at stake.
Yeah you'd kind of think, if they/she were/was looking to prove a point that they/she would have put the camera on timer and taken a photo of themselves together.
Even then, wouldn't mean the 'LilyAnne' persona was the one actually operating as a designer. Amanda is pulling the strings, either on herself or on some unsuspecting chum who is no doubt wishing she'd never gotten involved by now.
That picture looks very edited. It doesn't look like the person was holding the paper as the sole purpose of the picture. It just looks like someone laying on a bed that happens to be holding a piece of paper and looked up for a picture. It's very possible that picture was taken and the text was photoshopped onto it
And like someone else mentioned, it's in a hotel. Maybe Amanda just stole a vacation pic of whoever's pics she's using and photoshopped it
How's this scenario then.......... AD and LA are indeed different people BUT because AD has such a bad name, AD is making all the kits and LA is selling them FOR AD. That way AD gets to stay in the digiworld and we were all supposed to be none the wiser.
Ha! I now see what you all are talking about with the suitcase and hotel room. I would have never noticed that on my own. Does LAT claim to be traveling at the moment?
about the posting being deleted, etc. I am thinking that maybe they were together at one house. AD was helping LAT get started as a designer, maneuver around the DCR. AD was logged in to DST. they decide that LAT should post an intro post- so she does, but forgets to log out as AD and login as LAT. they realize the mistake, delete the post, logout, login as LAT, and repost.
I'm gonna gripe. Bear with me. I'm so tired of stores starting the big sale a week before the day (thinking INSD here). I'm sick of hearing about it already, and it's not even the day, yet. It really turns me off..and I tend to shop less.
opeysmama always has a flea crawling somewhere, i'm convinced. this time, yes, she has a vested interest, doesn't want to lose her CT gig. normally i think it's just because she's a very unhappy, unfilled woman who has to find a way to try to make everyone else feel as miserable as she is. and that would be my freud moment of the day. analysis over, freud impersonator out.
you all asked for proof. it doesn't matter what proof is provided you will pick it apart and try to make it seem falsified.
I think we should be more concerned with the copying.
April 30, 2009 7:37 AM
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I don't see that pic as proof, didn't do a thing to convince me.
As for the copying, you're absolutely right, and I would hope that someone has already contacted the powers that be at pinkcatstudios.
And AD and LAT opening shop together, that ought to be a freaking hoot, also ought to give digi land lots more smackable material for as long as it stays open. Everyone is going to be watching for the copying and reporting left and right to whoever needs to know about it. Yep should be quite interesting over the next couple of weeks, if they actually do follow through with their plans.
wv=cochen, as in AD maybe you been coachin' LAT just a little too good huh?
...normally i think it's just because she's a very unhappy, unfilled woman who has to find a way to try to make everyone else feel as miserable as she is...
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That pretty much sums up about half the people that live on this blog.
I don't see that pic as proof, didn't do a thing to convince me. _________
What would it take to convince you that they are two different people? I think that's proof enough that LAT exists as a seperate identity from AD. She didn't steal stock photos to create this person.
If LA=AD at this point, is not even the issue for me. It is just a side show to the real issue: the fact that LA copied another artists work, claimed it as her own and even sold it as CU. Exactly the same thing AD did to get the boot the first time around.
So either way - she is AD or she isn't - she is not getting a dime from me.
has anyone else noted that Faith True deleted not only her first post on that thread, but then went back and deleted the one where she said she would have to think about it all?
I think the problem is that these issues ALWAYS get 'dealt with privately' and so the average person in the community has NO IDEA that AD got busted for doing the exact same thing in the past. If they did, they would maybe take it, as I do, as FURTHER proof that AD and LAT are one and same. Leopards, spots, etc. Until these laundry eposides are routinely made public, the same people will continue to pull the same stunts, and continue to get away with it.
What would it take to convince you that they are two different people? I think that's proof enough that LAT exists as a seperate identity from AD. She didn't steal stock photos to create this person.
April 30, 2009 7:47 AM
*********************************** I'm not saying that she stole stock photos to create this person. I'm sure this is a very close friend or family member of AD's. I am saying that I don't believe for a minute that it's LAT, or that LAT is a separate entity from AD.
...normally i think it's just because she's a very unhappy, unfilled woman who has to find a way to try to make everyone else feel as miserable as she is...
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That pretty much sums up about half the people that live on this blog.
April 30, 2009 7:46 AM
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oh please, what a tired old line that is. speak for yourself, not half the other people on this blog. i'm here because i get bored as hell at the office and you have to admit this does indeed make for some interesting reading.
does opeysmama not realize how much her self-righteous attitude is only fueling that thread? I wish I had the tenacity that Ruby does to debate with the self-righteous one, but i just get too damned mad and then i can't think to type and make sense.
and who does think she is demanding that shannon remove the thread? she'll be monitoring it to see how long it's allowed to remain. give me a break lady.
does opeysmama not realize how much her self-righteous attitude is only fueling that thread? I wish I had the tenacity that Ruby does to debate with the self-righteous one, but i just get too damned mad and then i can't think to type and make sense.
and who does think she is demanding that shannon remove the thread? she'll be monitoring it to see how long it's allowed to remain. give me a break lady.
April 30, 2009 8:39 AM
I'm amused that so many seem surprised by the things this woman is saying. Does no one remember back when the hot topics forum was the politics forum? The things that woman said were astounding.
I'm amused that so many seem surprised by the things this woman is saying. Does no one remember back when the hot topics forum was the politics forum? The things that woman said were astounding.
April 30, 2009 8:59 AM
*********************************** Oh nothing she says surprises me. Okay, that's not quite true. Everything she says usually shocks the hell out of me. Not because she says them but because she seems to put herself so high up above everyone else. Like her thoughts, her opinions are the only ones there are and we should all bow down before her and follow her lead.
I don't care who she CT's for, but I do care about who gets my money, and whether or not LAT is AD or not, she's still a pirate one way or the other.
I've emailed Pink Cat, in case nobody else has. ------------------------------- Thank you. We really shouldn't make any assumptions. Hey for all we know LAT = Pink Cat (just kidding!)
Thank you. We really shouldn't make any assumptions. Hey for all we know LAT = Pink Cat (just kidding!)
April 30, 2009 10:13 AM ***********************************
Oh hey, good idea! Maybe LAT designed those stamps herself for pinkcat and retained the rights to them so that she could use them however she saw fit. Ya think? Nah me either.
Wouldn't it make more sence for Lily & Amanda to take a picture together with a dated newspaper to clear their names? If they're such good friends living so close ...
I can sort of understand why people would be miffed by this whole topic (and this concerns the angry people posting in the DST thread about it) but, really, the only ones making it a heated discussion are the ones that are telling everyone to stop and close the thread. It's one thing to have an opinion about something and join the discussion but if all you're going to do is start being belligerent (sp?) and fill your posts with anger and name calling, you're better off shutting the hell up and staying away.
It's sad how LAT's CT is over at DST telling everyone what to think. Their protests are lame and only add fuel to the fire. It would be nice if they shut up and let the discussion progress without their yelling, screaming and telling us to go buy something or go scrap. Just makes you want to slap them upside the head and ask WTH are you thinking?
I'll buy WHAT I like from reputable designers - NOT from someone that steals. Nuff said.
But everyone at DST seems to be picking on Ruby. Luckily though, she literally wipes the floor with them with her keen intellect and all. French Ruby FTW!
Haha, very funny. Unfortunately the JPG artifacts are all wrong, the colour matching is all wrong, it doesn't match up with a deleted thread in the DCR, and you aren't a DST mod who has privately emailed to anyone before posting it here.
Once again the closet racists come out from DST on the blog. Nesi is an idiot, but thug is ridiculous. It's a comic strip she has on her avatar, not graffiti for crying out loud. You might do better on kkk.com.
All I can say is that Shannon would not have banned AD if she didn't have something. That in itself speaks to me. It doesn't answer the question but it speaks to me.
Whatever scam they were trying to pull has been stopped. AD is banned, LAT's kits have been pulled, and it has been brought to light over at DST. I doubt seriously that they are spending all this time getting the Imaginary Crackers blog up and running. There have been no changes since the 24th and most of the links don't work. I doubt that we are going to hear anymore from them.
Hopefully this has been a learning experience to stores. DO YOUR HOMEWORK ON NEW DESIGNERS.
It's funny you state that considering that Opeysmama is actually apart of LA's CT and most likely has more information about the matter that all of the other busybody idiots posting.
As for FrenchRuby...if you had a brain in your head you would see through her posts that she is just one of those "take a stand" kind of people who love an argument. This neither makes her amazing nor intelligent...just another big mouth.
The definition of thug has nothing to do with race. Why did you have to bring it up? -------------------------------------- I was wondering the same thing. I think the poster who said "thug" just doesn't like her posts. I sounds to me like she doesn't like the nature of her posts. Nothing was mentioned about her race.
Calling people thugs or idiots is just an immature reaction to posts that someone doesn't like. No different than calling the person who cuts you off on the road an idiot. Or other much worse names:)
Although I don't like some of the CT's posts, I realize they are not actual idiots and they have every right to state their opinion as I do. But it can be so frustrating when they just don't seem to "get it".
They are certainly being loyal to her. She must be very persuasive in her emails to them. But yet, she hasn't even attempted to communicate here or at DST.
It's funny you state that considering that Opeysmama is actually apart of LA's CT and most likely has more information about the matter that all of the other busybody idiots posting. --------------------------------- Well if she does, why doesn't she or LAT share and clear the air so the thread can just die down.
I think the CT's are coming on protesting too much.
When someone protests too much you tend not to believe the person because they insist too strongly that something is not true, and they don't offer any evidence to support their position.
All it would have taken was a polite answer such as:
"I can verify that AD is not LAT because..." the question would have been answered and no blot on LAT's name.
All we are getting are defensive posts about how terrible it is to ask this question and drag LAT's name through the mud and ruin her reputation. What is really telling sometimes is not what happens to someone it is how they react to what happens to them.
Come on!!! How many LilyAnne CT Members have made defending comments as compared to the few hundred posters who are in no way involved, uninformed, and slamming her?!?
I think you are being dramatic and dumb. At least the CT members have a reason to speak on it.
There have not been a few hundred posters at DST and if you are referring to this blog you don't have any idea who or how many people are posting here.
3.55 (Dycho?) Are you trying to actually persuade people that I am an idiot or are you just trying to offend me personally? Whichever it is, I don't think it's working. You're going to have to try harder.
Impressed by your ability to Google for impressive quotes though. Well done you. Gold star. Bless.
Update, confirmation from Shannon that the Dycho post (screenie) IS genuine. She's going after LilyAnne now to see if she can match them up.
Honestly even if she took a pic of her and the fake LilyAnne it would not convince me. I have a best friend that would let me use her identity for digital scrapping. She could care less about it and wouldn't mind at all if I used her photos to design under. She would even take a picture with me to prove we were two different people.
The circumstantial evidence is too much for me to not believe that LilyAnne is Amanda Dykans alias in the scrapping world. Even if it is all wrong the lady LilyAnne just got busted for copying so she deserves it!
I think you are being dramatic and dumb. At least the CT members have a reason to speak on it. ----------------------------------- In real life no one would ever call me dramatic or dumb. Interesting that I came across that way in my post.
I agree that the CT members have a reason to speak on it. I also think that anyone who bought her product and any potential customers have a reason to speak on it. I understand that you don't agree with that. You have supporters and I have supporters. I think it best to agree that we disagree on the subject and quit trying to change each others minds.
3.55 (Dycho?) Are you trying to actually persuade people that I am an idiot or are you just trying to offend me personally? Whichever it is, I don't think it's working. You're going to have to try harder.
Impressed by your ability to Google for impressive quotes though. Well done you. Gold star. Bless.
Update, confirmation from Shannon that the Dycho post (screenie) IS genuine. She's going after LilyAnne now to see if she can match them up.
So how's this for freakin' coincidence? The first CT I was on was Melissa Rodgers (Pink Cat, when she tried to go digi) and I was on LAT's CT... I'm totally pissed off that AD/LAT would rip off somebody like Melissa who has been in this business for a really long time (and is so well respected).
I'm just totally sickened by all of this... she hasn't even emailed anything else to her CT even though someone sent out a "WTF is going on?" email... I mean, she won't even explain anything to her own CT... this just reeks.
Also another point IF and a bif IF Amanda was logged in at DST and told LilyAnne hey post a hi and hello thread and it was all an accident, why didn't she say that in the beginning???? Why hasn't Amanda already pointed that out????? She has responded here, she is freaking psycho!
Private email 4.13, I doubt she'll post it at DST (it involves something that happened in the DCR and therefore cannot be discussed on the open board).
And no, I didn't break the rules, it wasn't me who posted the screen, it was a DST mod (or someone who got it from a DST mod). No names, no pack drill.
4:14 I am sorry you have to deal with this. I don't why but I got the idea at DST (I thought from Opeysmama) that LilyAnne had been communicating with her CT. But I can't find the post to reference so maybe I misunderstood.
"I bet Opeysmama will REALLY want that DST thread deleted once LilyAnne is banned, too."
Is there really something so horrible about standing up for a designer you represent? Regardless of the outcome, i think Opeysmama and Mrsmeek displayed themselves in a respectful manner. As i recall, didn't Opeysmama bow out of the conversation quite gracefully? I am just saying that her CT has a right to their opinion as does everyone else. I don't think the CT members have anything to be ashamed of...they are probably just as shocked as us and found it hard to believe and hurtful.
Yeah... no. Mrs. Meek's either talking about earlier before our forum group was closed down on SO or that ONE email that has already been posted on here. But that's it. And on the forums she only referred to this as "silly drama by jealous designers" but wouldn't go into it and that was a couple of days ago, at least.
or that ONE email that has already been posted on here ------------------------- I wasn't sure it that one email had actually come from LAT or not. YOur post indicates that it was real.
http://www.scraplikemad.blogspot.com/ is mrsmeeks blog...she is a LA CT member. She's got her plastered all over...bet she'll be taking that all off pretty soon. I assume none of them will have a thing to say about the whole thing then. lol
Is there really something so horrible about standing up for a designer you represent? ---------------------------------- Absolutely not. But they immediately jumped all over us without offering up any information that we could sink our teeth into. I got the feeling that they were blindly sticking up for her. But did they know 100% that what they were saying was correct? Had they met LilyAnne? Could they not recognize that we had a valid concern?
Maybe her CT is in on it? I bet they are keeping her up in a hotel room until they can get her over the border. :) ----------------------------- Hopefully it's the border to Canada and not Mexico!
Well Shannon posts screenies from the DCR and promises to keep the thread open. No Kool Aid! Is this another first for DST? ---------------------------------- Kudos to Shannon.
So CT ladies. I am really sorry that someone you were CT'ing for has come under this suspicion. It is really no reflection on you.
But even Shannon has agreed that the thread should stay open for now. Can you just back off a bit and allow this situation to take its natural course at this point.
If your designer was so mistreated by a store and fired 'for no reason' then why would you as a CT member continue to sport the blinkie (linked) to that particular store? I see all the CT's that have been posted are still sporting their LAT Scrap Orchard blinkie.
Is there really something so horrible about standing up for a designer you represent? Regardless of the outcome, i think Opeysmama and Mrsmeek displayed themselves in a respectful manner. As i recall, didn't Opeysmama bow out of the conversation quite gracefully? I am just saying that her CT has a right to their opinion as does everyone else. I don't think the CT members have anything to be ashamed of...they are probably just as shocked as us and found it hard to believe and hurtful.
April 30, 2009 4:32 PM
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I think all her CT members have every right to defend her, until they learn otherwise. But there is nothing respectful or graceful about opeysmama. There never has been. She's one of the most arrogant, opinionated women at DST. Someone here thinks Ruby is argumentative, please. I'd much sooner have a discussion with Ruby any day of the week, no matter how controversial, than try to discuss anything with opeysmama. In case you haven't been able to read between the lines, it's her way or the highway. That's how respectful and graceful she comes across.
Well...we were told by LA that she had made the decision to leave ScrapOrchard on her own accord to keep the "wonderful girls" there out of the drama. LilyAnne never made a complaint about any store.
In my case, I heard it from one of the designers who complained to SO that LilyAnne was using CU items (NOT the Pink Cat stamps) which she had not purchased. When LilyAnne failed to produce ANY evidence of purchase, SO 'let her go'.
I am just an average scrapper, not a designer. I am not active on any CT's, although I have been in the past. I am not active in any "scrapbook community", I don't post on the message boards, and I don't post my layouts online anymore. I read the Digi boards for entertainment, and am constantly amazed at what people share on the internet. I freely admit to reading the scrapbook smack blogs, it is a guilty pleasure.
You can email me at: DSTHallofFame@gmail.com
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In a minute, I'll go through the comments and make a list of coincidences. I'm not posting it at dst - as I don't want to get in the drama there but maybe I will post it here for someone else to post, or PM it to FrenchRuby
Good luck! That is going to be one long ass list!
In a minute, I'll go through the comments and make a list of coincidences. I'm not posting it at dst - as I don't want to get in the drama there but maybe I will post it here for someone else to post, or PM it to FrenchRuby
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Instead of a minute you should have said tomorrow with all the evidence you will find!
Well looks like Amanda Dykan got banned from DST. Guess the screenshot was real, and I guess Shannon couldn't deny knowing it any more...
Go Ruby.
But wait, I thought you all decided that if Amanda got banned, that meant they WERE 2 different people, because that would indicate Amanda shared her log in info. ;)
FroOoOtLOoPp Sally or whatever posted under 2 names for a long time and no one banned her.
In this instance I think it means Shannon was forced to ban her, because the only alternative would be to admit they are the same person. And that would be libel, wouldn't it. Ahem.
In a minute, I'll go through the comments and make a list of coincidences. I'm not posting it at dst - as I don't want to get in the drama there but maybe I will post it here for someone else to post, or PM it to FrenchRuby
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I think it is a good idea NOT to post at DST. Shannon doesn't want speculation and is worried about "libel" at DST.
Well looks like Amanda Dykan got banned from DST. Guess the screenshot was real, and I guess Shannon couldn't deny knowing it any more...
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If she was banned, her name would still be in the members list with the word banned in her profile.
It looks like Amanda removed herself from DST completely, as her name is gone from the list.
I can still see Amanda Dykan at DST, and it says Banned right under her name. Course, I might be cached.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/member.php?u=3512
It says Banned underneath it.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/member.php?u=3512
I would not post the list on DST. Let them come here to read if they want to.
nah. I'm seeing the same thing.
LilyAnne was just on DST, didn't post anything. I'm sure she didn't see her name in an active thread and has no idea what's going on. Ahem.
Obviously there was enough "evidence" for Amanda to get banned. Shannon said it is for unrelated reasons whatever that means.
unrelated..
means there is more to this sordid little tale.
things that haven't even been brought to light. weird
I just saw Shannon's post too. I'm so tired of the unrelated reasons that everyone is giving out. Don't they realize it just makes everything worse?
When I looked at the member list for Amanda http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/memberlist.php?do=getall, I couldn't see her name. Interesting that her profile is still active.
So if this is all an Amanda thing, LilyAnne may be an innocent in all this?
Unlikely.
Okay here's my list, everyone feel free to add to it and keep it going if I missed anything. Or post it at DST if you want
1. There is a screenshot of Amanda posting under her name at DST as LilyAnne and then it was later deleted (could be fake) http://i42.tinypic.com/2r1zhmq.jpg
2. If you search LilyAnne's name on google, nothing comes up for her besides digi scrapping stuff since she first appeared. Yet, she supposedly worked for a paper scrapping company
3. They're from the same town in Texas
4. They're previews are very similar, just reversed and in different colors
LA - http://www.shabbypickledesigns.com/boutique/product.php?productid=17220
AD - http://www.amandadykan.com/shoppe/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=177
5. She was kicked out of SO for a "CU issue" according to some people and then this whole AD thing came out
6. She was only around for less than a month and was selling at ES and SO and guesting at Shabby Pickle
7. Amanda Dykan used CU doodles of a table and chairs in one of her kits (http://www.amandadykan.com/shoppe/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=169) from Sweet Genieveve (http://www.oscraps.com/shop/product.php?productid=17142) then later, LilyAnne came out with doodles very similar that just look a little altered (http://www.shabbypickledesigns.com/boutique/product.php?productid=17280), the legs curve in all the exact same ways with a few extra lines added. Amanda has made a video before on how to alter doodles (http://www.penscrappers.com/2008/12/01/amanda-dykan-2/ ). Remember how LilyAnne was supposedly kicked out of SO for a CU issue? Hmmm
8. LilyAnne is a Bud Club subscriber (which Amanda once owned) and is also a super mod on Amanda's site. She is also one of Amanda's CT members
9. LilyAnne and Amanda are in the same network on facebook. Amanda Dykan was also LilyAnne's first friend on facebook
10. They write very similar (such as how they word things and talk in forums)
11. They both sell at Memory Mixers
12. They use the same type of shadowing, not just similar but EXACT. It goes upwards instead of the normal shadow angle.
13. The first post LilyAnne ever had at DST was in response to ES' designer call which was her first store she sold at. Amanda could have saw this and "created" LilyAnne that day
14. When giving credit on LOs in galleries, both LilyAnne and Amanda say "remaining items" for the few things left in their credits. Not a very common phrase in credits
15. This woman is on both LA's and AD's CT: http://merank.blogspot.com/
16. They have very very similar products at Memory Mixers. For example, this (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=vrwtc2&s=5). Also notice the exact same shadowing on the preview. Not close, but EXACT. Same distance, softness, angle.
17. Amanda Kay sold with Amanda Dykan at Purple Paper Flowers and now Amanda Kay is on LilyAnne's CT
18. Kate Earley (owner of Digital Candy) once said that she knew LilyAnne and Amanda Dykan both in real life. She claimed to have gone to college with LA 10 years ago, but now that this is all coming out, Kate denies every saying that. And we all know Kate just happens to be a good friend of Amanda's.
19. LilyAnne supposedly worked for a paper company called Autumn Leaves, when contacted they said they have been getting many calls about LilyAnne but have no idea who she is and have no record of her ever working for them
20. Amanda Dykan can be found on WhitePages but there's no LilyAnne Taylor to be found
21. Since all this has happened, LilyAnne hasn't been heard from
All of the worker bees are home to play....
wow Nancy Drew
#1 kinda says it all...screen shot? is that real or fake? others have seen it?
I've been thinking about that screen shot at the start. at first I wondered about it because there was no reply button and the post count on that post was the same as AD's current post count. My initial reaction was that someone had been careless about those details....
on further thought, what if it was a DST moderator? They could see a post's contents after it would have been deleted. They may have found the deleted thread on the 24th or 25th (the same day it was posted here) and checked the contents of it, therefore not actually *sitting* on the image for a week. It would also explain why there were no reply buttons and why the post count was the same since it would have been after AD deleted it anyway. Would someone wanting to set AD up have thought THAT thoroughly about the details of that post to pull it off correctly? I'm a smart person and I doubt I would have researched it enough to have changed those things....
22. Since entering the digi world Lilyanne has worked on numerous collab kits that leaves her no time to post on her blog. This was just like Amanda's m.o.
And did you notice in the screenshot of Amanda's post, there's a little trashcan in the bottom right corner? Also notice the buttons in the top right corner. Only ones a mod would have... hmmm
The computer icon... I'm pretty sure if you hover over that, it gives their IP. So it had to be a mod
set her up?
please? this is scrapbooking not law and order
why would anyone ponder
hmm here is a new designer applying at es and ol' amanda is my enemy, I will make a screen shot of her being the new designer and it is really my best friend?
it gets stranger and stranger
ha ha
the real designing woman reality show!
April 29, 2009 7:30 PM
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While the list is accurate according to the stuff posted on this blog, all of it is circumstantial. There is not one shred of real evidence in there.
I don't know if AD and LA do live in the same town, is Southlake a suburb of Dallas-Forth Worth?
I suspect that it was that post that got AD banned.
So the screenshot was an inside job Shannon... MUHAHAHAHAHA!
Who all are the mods over there?
Also notice the buttons in the top right corner. Only ones a mod would have... hmmm
April 29, 2009 7:54 PM
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actually, we all used to have those buttons, until the switched how the board worked. I remember having those.
no I didn't mean that a mod set her up, I meant exactly opposite... the fact that someone *probably* wouldn't have been brainiac to think of *every* detail a mod would have tells me that the shot was real. imho
yes... which means the expose was an inside job!
You are correct, there is no real evidence that AD = LAT
and it might be possible that all we have here is an unusual association between the two.
We do know that Amanda has been banned by DST.
and that leads us to the conclusion that something strange is going on.
Heightened jinky meter.
hmmmm???
I'm sad that LilyAnne has become mia. I would have like to hear her side of the story. I think SHE is the only one who can really speak to this whole situation.
Lily Anne's stuff is gone from Shabby Pickle.
Holy run-ons Nesi.
Lily Anne's stuff is gone from Shabby Pickle.
April 29, 2009 9:12 PM
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Wow, it was there three hours ago. It just gets stranger and stranger.
Holy run-ons Nesi.
April 29, 2009 9:33 PM
For sure, and just what the heck was she trying to say? The gist of it I suppose is that she thinks it could've been handled in a better way? But wow, reading that just confused the hell out of me!
The more I look at that screenshot, the more fake it seems. I think Amanda's name is real, but the fact that it shows the old message format of DST is suspicious. I think it was originally a message written by Amanda, but the body of the message has been changed. The last time Amanda posted was in January, so her post count would have been 868, the rest of the stuff is all made up.
no actually, that post format is exactly what you'd see if you were a mod at a vbulletin forum. And, if the shot was taken by someone during the few minutes that it was not deleted at DST, it would say 869 posts since her post count is now 868 after it was deleted. only a mod with access to see a deleted post would be seeing a post count of 868.
That computer icon is something that only mods can see, I know because I run another vbulletin forum. It shows the ip of the poster.
I had a look at the screenshot at 200% and there is no evidence that the screenshot has been faked.
There had to be SOME kind of reason that Amanda has been banned, and my guess is that it is the presumption, that 'lilyanne' was logged in under Amanda's account. That would be grounds to be banned, and I suspect Shannon has enough evidence to ban her as she appears to be very careful about that kind of thing.
I know I've seen that computer icon on a board before and I've never been a mod anywhere.
http://www.pinkcatstudio.com/Stamps/Lily/Lily.htm
http://imaginarycrackers.com/
That Susan girl that just posted was on Lily's CT as well.
Um... wow. Jesus is a rock god.
http://www.oscraps.com/shop/product.php?productid=22419&cat=314&page=1
(Look in the previews)
Oh, check this:
http://imaginarycrackers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/cafechic_ic_preview.jpg
and then this:
http://www.pinkcatstudio.com/Stamps/TeaCoffee.htm
Um... wow. Jesus is a rock god.
http://www.oscraps.com/shop/product.php?productid=22419&cat=314&page=1
(Look in the previews)
April 29, 2009 10:59 PM
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I think it's cool but I can see a bunch of people getting their panties in a bunch about it.
I'm just shocked. No hanging babies. Just Jesus and dragon maulings.
Um... wow. Jesus is a rock god.
http://www.oscraps.com/shop/product.php?productid=22419&cat=314&page=1
(Look in the previews)
April 29, 2009 10:59 PM
That's a freakishly awesome kit!
(Who says Jesus isn't a rock god? lol)
Lily Anne steals her girlie doodles from Pink Cat Studio then!
It is a cool kit. I think she's underrated. I'd like to see some non-fantasy CT members though ;-)
panties in a bunch~but I got over it!
the kit is good! I will give mucho kudos that kit is freakin' awesome! and not one flower with a sparkle! how wonderfully refreshing is that?
lol at the description:
This kit isn’t for the faint or demure. This is Sex, Drugs and Rock ‘n Roll….Old School. We aren’t talking prissy sweet Hannah Montana or Jonas Brothers. We are talking down and dirty. Real. This kit is for those who lived the 80’s. Who lived the music. Who understand what went on behind the scenes. This is for you!
Oh, check this:
http://imaginarycrackers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/cafechic_ic_preview.jpg
and then this:
http://www.pinkcatstudio.com/Stamps/TeaCoffee.htm
April 29, 2009 11:00 PM
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Ok, it is pretty clear that they are direct (traced or whatever) copies but not identical. That is Amanda's MO isn't it?
Who is this Pink Cat Studio.. Is the lily collection a designer or the origin of AD alter ego?
http://www.pinkcatstudio.com/Stamps/Lily/Lily.htm
http://imaginarycrackers.com/
April 29, 2009 10:30 PM
Lily Anne steals her girlie doodles from Pink Cat Studio then!
April 29, 2009 11:11 PM
Seems so.
Um... wow. Jesus is a rock god.
April 29, 2009 10:59 PM
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Who the hell cares!! Quit spamming
Ok, it is pretty clear that they are direct (traced or whatever) copies but not identical. That is Amanda's MO isn't it?
Who is this Pink Cat Studio.. Is the lily collection a designer or the origin of AD alter ego?
April 29, 2009 11:22 PM
Pink Cat Studio is owned by Melissa Rodger of Canada. Melissa is also the artist of the stamps that Amanda blatantly ripped off. This is so sad. I hope Melissa sues her butt off!
Sent to LAT's CT:
Hi Ladies,
I'm sorry I haven't checked in with you all sooner. We are still trying to get the forum up over at ImaginaryCrackers.com. Once it's up, we'll move the CT forum over there.
I know you have allllll probably seen the drama about me in the community. I'm gone from ScrapOrchard, as I mentioned before. There is a rumour going around that I am Amanda Dykan. Well, Amanda and I are very close friends. So close, in fact, that we have decided to open a full fledged site together. That site will be www.imaginarycrackers.com. Please rest assured that I am not going anywhere. For the time being I am still at Shabby Pickle Designs. Hopefully that won't change.
If you have any questions, you all know (at least I hope you do), that you can talk to me freely. I am so honored to have all of you on the team, and I don't want to lose any of you- especially over something as silly as all of this.
I am staying out of the situation and drama as much as possible. If you're wondering where I've been, that's why. Real life has been keeping me busy these last couple of weeks, so it's really all worked out.
Anyway, please touch base with me and let me know how you all are doing.
HUGS all around!
LilyAnne
This is sick. They are opening a site "together?"
I am staying out of the situation and drama as much as possible.
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All I can say is that if all the drama was about me, I wouldn't be staying out of it. What does she think is going to happen? That it will go away? What a doofus.
Okay, either one of LA's CT is revealing private info - not cool even if you don't like LA - OR that post was total BS.
"Amanda and I are very close friends".......... um, does cloning or being one and the same count as being "very close"? LOL
Who is this Pink Cat Studio.. Is the lily collection a designer or the origin of AD alter ego?
April 29, 2009 11:22 PM
Pink Cat Studio is owned by Melissa Rodger of Canada. Melissa is also the artist of the stamps that Amanda blatantly ripped off. This is so sad. I hope Melissa sues her butt off!
April 29, 2009 11:30 PM
Gosh, I wonder what SPD is going to do about all those copyrighted commercial use doodles they have been selling? What a nighmare for everyone involved!
Okay, either one of LA's CT is revealing private info - not cool even if you don't like LA - OR that post was total BS.
I vote both, not cool and total BS even if written by the sybil scrapping sisters
http://i40.tinypic.com/i6i0bn.jpg
Anyone else see the smiliraties here
Same chin
same cheeks
same nose
Eyes are different though
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showpost.php?p=1673924&postcount=7
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showpost.php?p=1879639&postcount=3
12:08, they don't look anything alike.
I think that the dolls in her kits look more like imaginisce.
Anyone else see the smiliraties here
Same chin
same cheeks
same nose
Eyes are different though
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showpost.php?p=1673924&postcount=7
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showpost.php?p=1879639&postcount=3
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this just get weirder all the time
I think Amanda has a friend or someone who has let her use her picture and is in on this with her.
I think Amanda has a friend or someone who has let her use her picture and is in on this with her.
April 30, 2009 12:30 AM
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That would make Lilyanne and Amanda two different people.
That would make Lilyanne and Amanda two different people.
April 30, 2009 12:32 AM
Yep, you would be correct. But I doubt her name is LilyAnne, and she wasn't the one designing "LilyAnne's" products. It was Amanda.
That would make Lilyanne and Amanda two different people.
April 30, 2009 12:32 AM
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No it would mean that Amanda is two people one with borrowed photos.
There are some similar features, perhaps 'lilyanne' is a family member, sister, cousin or something.
How does Lily Anne get a staple from Jenn Patrick if she's new?
http://shabbypickledesigns.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=16395&ppuser=4344
I'm starting to buy into the idea that they are two separate people. But they definitely are connected. But Amanda's been banned from DST and LAT's kits have been removed from all the stores. This is not boding well for her future. Which is quite a shame as she seems to have a lot of talent.
Which is quite a shame as she seems to have a lot of talent.
April 30, 2009 12:38 AM
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What, at copying other peoples work?
Okay, either one of LA's CT is revealing private info - not cool even if you don't like LA - OR that post was total BS.
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At this point I don't think it is uncool. I think even her CT is starting to question everything.
At least sharing that is giving us some insight into LilyAnne.
If it is total BS, then shame on whoever would post a made up thing when all we are trying to do is get some answers here.
Which is quite a shame as she seems to have a lot of talent.
April 30, 2009 12:38 AM
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What, at copying other peoples work?
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I don't think everything in her kit is copied. And she obviously has good design and color skills. I just don't understand why she would start out in this industry copying other peoples work. If Amanda taught her about this community like she said she did, LAT should have known that using other peoples work is no ok. It truly does not make sense to me.
I'm still baffled here. After Amanda's issue with using someone else's work, you would think she would have made sure her good friend understood copyright.
Maybe Lily had permission to use various doodles and stamps. But then why did SO and SP pull her kits.
And finally I almost spewed coffee all over my monitor when I read that they were opening a full fledged site together.
This is starting to feel like some kind of weird twilight zone episode .
I think at this point they're messing with us. ;)
Well I have a feeling we are not going to hear much more from AD or LAT after this. Unless LAT has some kind of explanation for all this. But it sounds like from her post to her CT's that she is in total denial so I am not expecting her to come over here with any kind of explanation.
Which is quite a shame as she seems to have a lot of talent.
April 30, 2009 12:38 AM
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It doesn't seem that different from everything out there already, same old stuff.
Maybe Lily had permission to use various doodles and stamps.
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I highly doubt she would have had permission to use those stamp doodles, unless she paid a fair bit for them. If she did, it should credit Melissa in the description.
I don't think everything in her kit is copied. And she obviously has good design and color skills. I just don't understand why she would start out in this industry copying other peoples work. If Amanda taught her about this community like she said she did, LAT should have known that using other peoples work is no ok. It truly does not make sense to me.
April 30, 2009 12:56 AM
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Not overlooking the fact that LA supposedly designed in the paper world, and therefore she would know all about copyright on images. In fact, Autumn Leaves produces stamps. There is absolutely no reason at all that she wouldn't know about copyright.
I suspect this is the reason why she get kicked out of SO.
http://i40.tinypic.com/i6i0bn.jpg
April 30, 2009 12:06 AM
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What a professional way of dealing with things.
I don't really believe that they are one and the same person. But I do get the impression that they have been close friends for some time and probably know each other well in real life.
This is all just speculation .... but perhaps they were fans of each other's work, perhaps they shared working alongside each other, perhaps when one was unable to continue in the digi world she encouraged the other to take over from her, perhaps putting in a good word with store owners and suggest designers to collab with, perhaps providing her with tips, resources, getting products together etc - sort of cloning herself and being some kind of mentor.
It's just a pity that if this were the case, she also passed on her (alleged/proven) dishonorable practices and methods. One of them could be the reason she was banned from DST, namely allowing her access to the DCR using her own log in details. If that screen shot is real, this was a definite faux pas perhaps resulting from an over-eagerness to get her name out there after being groomed for so long.
Yes, if she has indeed been a paper designer for so long (under a pseudonym maybe?) she should be fully aware of copyright issues and such. Perhaps her "mentor" passed these on to her to use from her own stash (whether obtained legally or otherwise) in order to get a collection of products made up quickly so she could apply to stores. Or perhaps the two of them collaborated together to get them done, resulting in similar previews/products, etc.
Either way, you are known by the company you keep .... bad choice in friends, probably influenced by a sweet-talker who promised great things for her future and now it all comes tumbling down.
Again, all the above is still pure speculation. Perhaps the only way to know if they are one and the same (which I still doubt) would be to post a photo of themselves together. But even that can be doctored in Photoshop.....
That could be the case. It's just strange that IF they were such 'good friends' you would expect them to stand up for each other to put all speculation aside. Both are aware of what is being posted on this blog. Why not come forward and protect your 'friend', removing all doubt and clearing up her name? That's what 'real friends' would do for each other, right?? The silence is deafening when your name and reputation are at stake.
Why is the "Not Amanda, See" photo taken in a hotel?
That is odd.
Yeah you'd kind of think, if they/she were/was looking to prove a point that they/she would have put the camera on timer and taken a photo of themselves together.
Even then, wouldn't mean the 'LilyAnne' persona was the one actually operating as a designer. Amanda is pulling the strings, either on herself or on some unsuspecting chum who is no doubt wishing she'd never gotten involved by now.
That picture looks very edited. It doesn't look like the person was holding the paper as the sole purpose of the picture. It just looks like someone laying on a bed that happens to be holding a piece of paper and looked up for a picture. It's very possible that picture was taken and the text was photoshopped onto it
And like someone else mentioned, it's in a hotel. Maybe Amanda just stole a vacation pic of whoever's pics she's using and photoshopped it
My guess would be that "LilyAnne" is her sister or cousin or something like that.
Hmm. Take a really good look at the photo again. Is it me, or is the shadow (from the paper onto the sheets) completely wrong?
How's this scenario then.......... AD and LA are indeed different people BUT because AD has such a bad name, AD is making all the kits and LA is selling them FOR AD. That way AD gets to stay in the digiworld and we were all supposed to be none the wiser.
wv = gravenem A grave situation indeed
Can I just ask, who wears a skit hat indoors in Texas in April?
Maybe she has a problem with her aircon. Doesn't explain why there is a suitcase behind her, of course. So many mysteries...
Ski. Ski hat. Not skit hat, because a skit is a type of joke. Oh wait a minute, maybe I wasn't so far off the mark. Yeah, skit hat. That will do.
Ha! I now see what you all are talking about with the suitcase and hotel room. I would have never noticed that on my own. Does LAT claim to be traveling at the moment?
about the posting being deleted, etc. I am thinking that maybe they were together at one house. AD was helping LAT get started as a designer, maneuver around the DCR. AD was logged in to DST. they decide that LAT should post an intro post- so she does, but forgets to log out as AD and login as LAT. they realize the mistake, delete the post, logout, login as LAT, and repost.
And like someone else mentioned, it's in a hotel. Maybe Amanda just stole a vacation pic of whoever's pics she's using and photoshopped it
April 30, 2009 5:58 AM
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Then I wish the Air Force could
PhotoShop this well. Would've saved my tax dollars a bundle.
I want to know what flea is up Opeysmama's ass.
Changing the subject, cause I'm tired of AD/LAT.
I'm gonna gripe. Bear with me. I'm so tired of stores starting the big sale a week before the day (thinking INSD here). I'm sick of hearing about it already, and it's not even the day, yet. It really turns me off..and I tend to shop less.
I know why they do it, but I don't gotta like it.
she's pissed cause her girlie is getting smeared out in the open.
Ah, the CT flea. Well at least she's finally admitted her vested interest.
you all asked for proof. it doesn't matter what proof is provided you will pick it apart and try to make it seem falsified.
I think we should be more concerned with the copying.
opeysmama always has a flea crawling somewhere, i'm convinced. this time, yes, she has a vested interest, doesn't want to lose her CT gig. normally i think it's just because she's a very unhappy, unfilled woman who has to find a way to try to make everyone else feel as miserable as she is. and that would be my freud moment of the day. analysis over, freud impersonator out.
you all asked for proof. it doesn't matter what proof is provided you will pick it apart and try to make it seem falsified.
I think we should be more concerned with the copying.
April 30, 2009 7:37 AM
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I don't see that pic as proof, didn't do a thing to convince me.
As for the copying, you're absolutely right, and I would hope that someone has already contacted the powers that be at pinkcatstudios.
And AD and LAT opening shop together, that ought to be a freaking hoot, also ought to give digi land lots more smackable material for as long as it stays open. Everyone is going to be watching for the copying and reporting left and right to whoever needs to know about it. Yep should be quite interesting over the next couple of weeks, if they actually do follow through with their plans.
wv=cochen, as in AD maybe you been coachin' LAT just a little too good huh?
...normally i think it's just because she's a very unhappy, unfilled woman who has to find a way to try to make everyone else feel as miserable as she is...
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That pretty much sums up about half the people that live on this blog.
I don't see that pic as proof, didn't do a thing to convince me.
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What would it take to convince you that they are two different people? I think that's proof enough that LAT exists as a seperate identity from AD. She didn't steal stock photos to create this person.
If LA=AD at this point, is not even the issue for me. It is just a side show to the real issue: the fact that LA copied another artists work, claimed it as her own and even sold it as CU. Exactly the same thing AD did to get the boot the first time around.
So either way - she is AD or she isn't - she is not getting a dime from me.
Thanks, 7:50! Someone who finally gets it!
has anyone else noted that Faith True deleted not only her first post on that thread, but then went back and deleted the one where she said she would have to think about it all?
I think the problem is that these issues ALWAYS get 'dealt with privately' and so the average person in the community has NO IDEA that AD got busted for doing the exact same thing in the past. If they did, they would maybe take it, as I do, as FURTHER proof that AD and LAT are one and same. Leopards, spots, etc. Until these laundry eposides are routinely made public, the same people will continue to pull the same stunts, and continue to get away with it.
I've emailed Pink Cat, in case nobody else has.
What would it take to convince you that they are two different people? I think that's proof enough that LAT exists as a seperate identity from AD. She didn't steal stock photos to create this person.
April 30, 2009 7:47 AM
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I'm not saying that she stole stock photos to create this person. I'm sure this is a very close friend or family member of AD's. I am saying that I don't believe for a minute that it's LAT, or that LAT is a separate entity from AD.
...normally i think it's just because she's a very unhappy, unfilled woman who has to find a way to try to make everyone else feel as miserable as she is...
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That pretty much sums up about half the people that live on this blog.
April 30, 2009 7:46 AM
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oh please, what a tired old line that is. speak for yourself, not half the other people on this blog. i'm here because i get bored as hell at the office and you have to admit this does indeed make for some interesting reading.
does opeysmama not realize how much her self-righteous attitude is only fueling that thread? I wish I had the tenacity that Ruby does to debate with the self-righteous one, but i just get too damned mad and then i can't think to type and make sense.
and who does think she is demanding that shannon remove the thread? she'll be monitoring it to see how long it's allowed to remain. give me a break lady.
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does opeysmama not realize how much her self-righteous attitude is only fueling that thread? I wish I had the tenacity that Ruby does to debate with the self-righteous one, but i just get too damned mad and then i can't think to type and make sense.
and who does think she is demanding that shannon remove the thread? she'll be monitoring it to see how long it's allowed to remain. give me a break lady.
April 30, 2009 8:39 AM
I'm amused that so many seem surprised by the things this woman is saying. Does no one remember back when the hot topics forum was the politics forum? The things that woman said were astounding.
I'm amused that so many seem surprised by the things this woman is saying. Does no one remember back when the hot topics forum was the politics forum? The things that woman said were astounding.
April 30, 2009 8:59 AM
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Oh nothing she says surprises me. Okay, that's not quite true. Everything she says usually shocks the hell out of me. Not because she says them but because she seems to put herself so high up above everyone else. Like her thoughts, her opinions are the only ones there are and we should all bow down before her and follow her lead.
I don't care who she CT's for, but I do care about who gets my money, and whether or not LAT is AD or not, she's still a pirate one way or the other.
wow, bravo to Jane Bradbury. She doesn't speak often but boy when she does...
I've emailed Pink Cat, in case nobody else has.
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Thank you. We really shouldn't make any assumptions. Hey for all we know LAT = Pink Cat (just kidding!)
Thank you. We really shouldn't make any assumptions. Hey for all we know LAT = Pink Cat (just kidding!)
April 30, 2009 10:13 AM
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Oh hey, good idea! Maybe LAT designed those stamps herself for pinkcat and retained the rights to them so that she could use them however she saw fit. Ya think? Nah me either.
Well she'll (Pink Cat) be reading here, so be careful what you allege :)
Well she'll (Pink Cat) be reading here, so be careful what you allege :)
April 30, 2009 10:16 AM
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Sorry Pink Cat! Just my lame attempt at sarcasm :)
Wouldn't it make more sence for Lily & Amanda to take a picture together with a dated newspaper to clear their names? If they're such good friends living so close ...
They can't LilyAnne is off skiing somewhere, going by her attire in the previously posted photo.
yeah..texans always go skiing in late april, early may.
I can sort of understand why people would be miffed by this whole topic (and this concerns the angry people posting in the DST thread about it) but, really, the only ones making it a heated discussion are the ones that are telling everyone to stop and close the thread. It's one thing to have an opinion about something and join the discussion but if all you're going to do is start being belligerent (sp?) and fill your posts with anger and name calling, you're better off shutting the hell up and staying away.
It's sad how LAT's CT is over at DST telling everyone what to think. Their protests are lame and only add fuel to the fire. It would be nice if they shut up and let the discussion progress without their yelling, screaming and telling us to go buy something or go scrap. Just makes you want to slap them upside the head and ask WTH are you thinking?
I'll buy WHAT I like from reputable designers - NOT from someone that steals. Nuff said.
Ruby, Canay and Jane, what I wouldn't give to be able to express myself like those three. Wow, just wow.
But everyone at DST seems to be picking on Ruby. Luckily though, she literally wipes the floor with them with her keen intellect and all.
French Ruby FTW!
ITA 12:25
I might be flattered, if I knew what FTW meant. Then again, maybe I wouldn't :)
wv: sagionon. What I have in the veg basket at the bottom of my fridge.
FTW = For The Win.
Internet slang for something that is totally awesome - like you Ruby!
aww shucks
3927 views, so at least it's achieved something, if only to get people to think. God knows that's a first for DST.
Good news: I am going to Tahiti Saturday
Bad news: I am freaked out about the swine flu. I know Tahiti is not Mexico but how do I know if an infected person is on the plane/boat with me???
well no one in Joe Biddens family will be on the plane with you...ha ha ha
sorry back to the sleuth/scrap blog at hand
FrenchRuby for President
O shit dudes! Look what I uncovered upon further investigation, check it out! You will not believe it! http://i39.tinypic.com/s25hc9.jpg
Haha, very funny. Unfortunately the JPG artifacts are all wrong, the colour matching is all wrong, it doesn't match up with a deleted thread in the DCR, and you aren't a DST mod who has privately emailed to anyone before posting it here.
Nice try though :)
1:38, you need a course in using the dropper tool correctly
Whateva. Deny it all you want. At the end of the day you simply cannot ignore all the similarities between Thena and LilyAnne. You just can't.
The Chuck Norris one was far better.
Somebody please break Nesi's fingers before she can post again!!!
LOL 2:41 she's so thug in her photo. no wonder no one can understand her.
Her posts are like diarrhea of the brain.
I want to know what flea is up Opeysmama's ass.
April 30, 2009 7:27 AM
On any given day, it could be any number of fleas. Opeysmama is a complete jackass.
Once again the closet racists come out from DST on the blog.
Nesi is an idiot, but thug is ridiculous. It's a comic strip she has on her avatar, not graffiti for crying out loud. You might do better on kkk.com.
shh don't mention racism, you're gonna get claudia over here.
All I can say is that Shannon would not have banned AD if she didn't have something. That in itself speaks to me. It doesn't answer the question but it speaks to me.
Whatever scam they were trying to pull has been stopped. AD is banned, LAT's kits have been pulled, and it has been brought to light over at DST. I doubt seriously that they are spending all this time getting the Imaginary Crackers blog up and running. There have been no changes since the 24th and most of the links don't work. I doubt that we are going to hear anymore from them.
Hopefully this has been a learning experience to stores. DO YOUR HOMEWORK ON NEW DESIGNERS.
The definition of thug has nothing to do with race. Why did you have to bring it up?
Ruby, you get Nesi now? You really do? She still confuses the hell out of me!
"Opeysmama is a complete jackass."
It's funny you state that considering that Opeysmama is actually apart of LA's CT and most likely has more information about the matter that all of the other busybody idiots posting.
As for FrenchRuby...if you had a brain in your head you would see through her posts that she is just one of those "take a stand" kind of people who love an argument. This neither makes her amazing nor intelligent...just another big mouth.
The definition of thug has nothing to do with race. Why did you have to bring it up?
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I was wondering the same thing. I think the poster who said "thug" just doesn't like her posts. I sounds to me like she doesn't like the nature of her posts. Nothing was mentioned about her race.
Calling people thugs or idiots is just an immature reaction to posts that someone doesn't like. No different than calling the person who cuts you off on the road an idiot. Or other much worse names:)
Although I don't like some of the CT's posts, I realize they are not actual idiots and they have every right to state their opinion as I do. But it can be so frustrating when they just don't seem to "get it".
They are certainly being loyal to her. She must be very persuasive in her emails to them. But yet, she hasn't even attempted to communicate here or at DST.
O shit dudes!...
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WTH, are you a 13 year old boy?
It's funny you state that considering that Opeysmama is actually apart of LA's CT and most likely has more information about the matter that all of the other busybody idiots posting.
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Well if she does, why doesn't she or LAT share and clear the air so the thread can just die down.
I think the CT's are coming on protesting too much.
When someone protests too much you tend not to believe the person because they insist too strongly that something is not true, and they don't offer any evidence to support their position.
All it would have taken was a polite answer such as:
"I can verify that AD is not LAT because..." the question would have been answered and no blot on LAT's name.
All we are getting are defensive posts about how terrible it is to ask this question and drag LAT's name through the mud and ruin her reputation. What is really telling sometimes is not what happens to someone it is how they react to what happens to them.
The most violent element in society is ignorance. ~Emma Goldman
Here is a great one for Ruby:
A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance. ~Saul Bellow
Come on!!! How many LilyAnne CT Members have made defending comments as compared to the few hundred posters who are in no way involved, uninformed, and slamming her?!?
I think you are being dramatic and dumb. At least the CT members have a reason to speak on it.
There have not been a few hundred posters at DST and if you are referring to this blog you don't have any idea who or how many people are posting here.
Do you realize as a mod on a forum you can STILL VIEW deleted threads, my guess is this is why Amanda was banned. It was proof in the pudding.
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Marking my place
Obviously I am referring to this blog. How many posts do you see standing up for LA?
In regards to DST...there has only been a handful of responses from LA's CT.
So what exactly are you talking about?
3.55 (Dycho?) Are you trying to actually persuade people that I am an idiot or are you just trying to offend me personally? Whichever it is, I don't think it's working. You're going to have to try harder.
Impressed by your ability to Google for impressive quotes though. Well done you. Gold star. Bless.
Update, confirmation from Shannon that the Dycho post (screenie) IS genuine. She's going after LilyAnne now to see if she can match them up.
Fun fun fun.
Honestly even if she took a pic of her and the fake LilyAnne it would not convince me. I have a best friend that would let me use her identity for digital scrapping. She could care less about it and wouldn't mind at all if I used her photos to design under. She would even take a picture with me to prove we were two different people.
The circumstantial evidence is too much for me to not believe that LilyAnne is Amanda Dykans alias in the scrapping world. Even if it is all wrong the lady LilyAnne just got busted for copying so she deserves it!
I think you are being dramatic and dumb. At least the CT members have a reason to speak on it.
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In real life no one would ever call me dramatic or dumb. Interesting that I came across that way in my post.
I agree that the CT members have a reason to speak on it. I also think that anyone who bought her product and any potential customers have a reason to speak on it. I understand that you don't agree with that. You have supporters and I have supporters. I think it best to agree that we disagree on the subject and quit trying to change each others minds.
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3.55 (Dycho?) Are you trying to actually persuade people that I am an idiot or are you just trying to offend me personally? Whichever it is, I don't think it's working. You're going to have to try harder.
Impressed by your ability to Google for impressive quotes though. Well done you. Gold star. Bless.
Update, confirmation from Shannon that the Dycho post (screenie) IS genuine. She's going after LilyAnne now to see if she can match them up.
Fun fun fun.
where? I'm not seeing that.
So how's this for freakin' coincidence? The first CT I was on was Melissa Rodgers (Pink Cat, when she tried to go digi) and I was on LAT's CT... I'm totally pissed off that AD/LAT would rip off somebody like Melissa who has been in this business for a really long time (and is so well respected).
I'm just totally sickened by all of this... she hasn't even emailed anything else to her CT even though someone sent out a "WTF is going on?" email... I mean, she won't even explain anything to her own CT... this just reeks.
Also another point IF and a bif IF Amanda was logged in at DST and told LilyAnne hey post a hi and hello thread and it was all an accident, why didn't she say that in the beginning???? Why hasn't Amanda already pointed that out????? She has responded here, she is freaking psycho!
Private email 4.13, I doubt she'll post it at DST (it involves something that happened in the DCR and therefore cannot be discussed on the open board).
And no, I didn't break the rules, it wasn't me who posted the screen, it was a DST mod (or someone who got it from a DST mod). No names, no pack drill.
So what exactly are you talking about?
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heck if I know.
I bet Opeysmama will REALLY want that DST thread deleted once LilyAnne is banned, too.
4:14 I am sorry you have to deal with this. I don't why but I got the idea at DST (I thought from Opeysmama) that LilyAnne had been communicating with her CT. But I can't find the post to reference so maybe I misunderstood.
It was MrsMeek, post 52
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=188222&page=6
"I bet Opeysmama will REALLY want that DST thread deleted once LilyAnne is banned, too."
Is there really something so horrible about standing up for a designer you represent? Regardless of the outcome, i think Opeysmama and Mrsmeek displayed themselves in a respectful manner. As i recall, didn't Opeysmama bow out of the conversation quite gracefully? I am just saying that her CT has a right to their opinion as does everyone else. I don't think the CT members have anything to be ashamed of...they are probably just as shocked as us and found it hard to believe and hurtful.
http://i40.tinypic.com/i6i0bn.jpg
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That is an awfully nice plain sheet of white paper, I always find those in my hotel rooms.
It was MrsMeek, post 52
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=188222&page=6
4:30 PM
Yeah... no. Mrs. Meek's either talking about earlier before our forum group was closed down on SO or that ONE email that has already been posted on here. But that's it. And on the forums she only referred to this as "silly drama by jealous designers" but wouldn't go into it and that was a couple of days ago, at least.
Amanda...
Why???
Why would you allow your good friend to start off her digi career using copyright material?
You've written books, you've been a designer, you know better.
How come when I Google LAT all I get is the scraplikemad.blogspot.com? What is her site???
...are her kits for sale ANYWHERE???
or that ONE email that has already been posted on here
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I wasn't sure it that one email had actually come from LAT or not. YOur post indicates that it was real.
Imaginary Crackers
http://imaginarycrackers.com/
no updates since the 24th
http://www.scraplikemad.blogspot.com/
is mrsmeeks blog...she is a LA CT member. She's got her plastered all over...bet she'll be taking that all off pretty soon. I assume none of them will have a thing to say about the whole thing then. lol
Maybe her CT is in on it? I bet they are keeping her up in a hotel room until they can get her over the border. :)
Is there really something so horrible about standing up for a designer you represent?
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Absolutely not. But they immediately jumped all over us without offering up any information that we could sink our teeth into. I got the feeling that they were blindly sticking up for her. But did they know 100% that what they were saying was correct?
Had they met LilyAnne? Could they not recognize that we had a valid concern?
No, her kits are no longer for sale anywhere and I've dumped them off my drive.
Maybe her CT is in on it? I bet they are keeping her up in a hotel room until they can get her over the border. :)
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Hopefully it's the border to Canada and not Mexico!
Well Shannon posts screenies from the DCR and promises to keep the thread open. No Kool Aid! Is this another first for DST?
Well Shannon posts screenies from the DCR and promises to keep the thread open. No Kool Aid! Is this another first for DST?
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Kudos to Shannon.
Has anything like this ever happened in the digi community before? On this scale?
So CT ladies. I am really sorry that someone you were CT'ing for has come under this suspicion. It is really no reflection on you.
But even Shannon has agreed that the thread should stay open for now. Can you just back off a bit and allow this situation to take its natural course at this point.
Sure...to be honest I don't know what to think anymore. I'm done defending until I get more info from LA herself. :(
I hadn't seen this blog until a few hrs ago...to be honest I am a bit perplexed.
If your designer was so mistreated by a store and fired 'for no reason' then why would you as a CT member continue to sport the blinkie (linked) to that particular store? I see all the CT's that have been posted are still sporting their LAT Scrap Orchard blinkie.
Is there really something so horrible about standing up for a designer you represent? Regardless of the outcome, i think Opeysmama and Mrsmeek displayed themselves in a respectful manner. As i recall, didn't Opeysmama bow out of the conversation quite gracefully? I am just saying that her CT has a right to their opinion as does everyone else. I don't think the CT members have anything to be ashamed of...they are probably just as shocked as us and found it hard to believe and hurtful.
April 30, 2009 4:32 PM
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I think all her CT members have every right to defend her, until they learn otherwise. But there is nothing respectful or graceful about opeysmama. There never has been. She's one of the most arrogant, opinionated women at DST. Someone here thinks Ruby is argumentative, please. I'd much sooner have a discussion with Ruby any day of the week, no matter how controversial, than try to discuss anything with opeysmama. In case you haven't been able to read between the lines, it's her way or the highway. That's how respectful and graceful she comes across.
I don't sport it. I haven't in awhile. (Honestly, I took it off when LAT got the boot from SO)
WV: erring
LOL
Well...we were told by LA that she had made the decision to leave ScrapOrchard on her own accord to keep the "wonderful girls" there out of the drama. LilyAnne never made a complaint about any store.
...where did you hear she got fired anyways?
In my case, I heard it from one of the designers who complained to SO that LilyAnne was using CU items (NOT the Pink Cat stamps) which she had not purchased. When LilyAnne failed to produce ANY evidence of purchase, SO 'let her go'.
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