What do you think? I really have no idea how many people post here. I am sure there is a mix of store owners, designers and scrappers. I seriously doubt there are many Digi Newbies hanging out here. It is not like this blog is linked up on the top 50 Digi sites.
Do people really not post layouts in galleries because of fear of backlash from the blog? I doubt it. I do think there have been some issues that have come to light because of the blog, some good, some not so good. Lots of speculation here, some truth, some lies. I tend to believe where there is smoke there is fire. That is why the same names seem to appear on the blog.
Quoted from previous thread:
"This blog can most definitely intimidate people into not posting at digi sites! Someone posts a LO or responds to a thread and there are pages and pages on this blog picking people apart, drawing false conclusions and outright lies.
People talk and share their stories of what is done to people here and of course some people will be skittish to share their personal photographs/layouts/feelings. You have to be naive to think that doesn't happen. There are people with feelings on the other side of the computer!"
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and the point of that was (first)? i always thought that was such a stupid game.
i don't think people quit posting to galleries for fear of backlash, but i do know that people stopped posting in forums because of it.
i think one thing that is leading to forum death is alternative social networking like facebook & twitter. so many of the people who used to be really chatty in forums have moved on to facebook where they can chat and say what they want, there's relatively no drama. the other reason is the incessant ct/designer pimping that goes on everywhere. dst and dsa's demise has been over exuberant ct's that have completely ruined the forums and galleries. msa is protected from this in part since they don't allow much promotion, but it's such a dead site, and i don't understand why.
i think this is but another ebb in the flow of the way the digi world will move. think of how it changed when dst came online. nothing is permanent, nothing stays the same, everything must evolve. i'll be the curmudgeon and say that just because it changes doesn't mean i have to like it :)
Did you see that SA is getting rid of their forums and only keeping the gallery for their own CT? They're doing exactly what you say, focusing on Facebook and Twitter. Most people are there anyway.
I don't have any time for forums, anyway. I spend most of my chatty online time on Facebook. I haven't been to DST in way over a year. Interestingly enough, more of my real-life friends who didn't really know about my scrapbooking have become digital scrapbookers themselves now just by seeing what I've posted on Facebook. They never signed up for DST or any of the other forums, never would. But Facebook introduces a whole new audience to our hobby. Without all the drama.
I just don't buy that you can talk scrapping on FB and twitter. I use them, sure, but not for that. Is there a way to find other scrappers on facebook and twitter? And I am NOT asking how to follow a store, or get pimped to death by CTs. How do you find "real" scrappers who just want to talk shop? Are people posting their LOs on facebook instead of to galleries?
Do the stores do anything on FB or twitter except promote their products?
FB is the only place I post my layouts now. I post them for my friends and family to see. They can comment or not, and I don't have to credit anyone.
I don't follow any stores. I am in the digi forums less because I am connecting with people that really are my friends, not internet "friends" - I don't really have a desire to be involved in a digi "community" other than this blog. I like it because someone always points out something of interest and I don't have to wade through the junk to find it myself.
I stopped uploading layouts except for the ones I do for CTs. I may use the designers kits again, but I only upload the first one with her debut to the store.
I do my personal layouts for our family and don't upload...why bother?
Posts like this leave me wondering, why didn't she just admit she wanted a couple of atta boys for her grades?
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=215501
.why bother?
October 20, 2009 4:24 PM
that's exactly my question about looking through galleries--if they're just CT dumping grounds and even the CTs don't want to bother, why are designers bothering to have their CTs dump all over the place? ugh-it's like a vicious circle.
Ever since the advent of smack blogs, the die-hard DSTers have been saying that these blogs have no power. Now that the digi 'community' is swirling the bowl, the smack blogs are being blamed?
You can't have it both ways.
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No a die hard DSTer but I did say this blog doesn't have as much power as people think it does. I'm also not blaming the blog for the demise of digi. But I do get what you are saying.
As I said before, it's indifference that's killing the industry and the digi community.
I wouldn't post my LOs on Facebook and I wouldn't do the chats either. They are never scheduled for my time. I tried to get involved in Facebook and I just don't see the attraction. I don't see the attraction in Twitter either. Both of them are just another trend in the digi community. It, too, will pass.
As I said before, it's indifference that's killing the industry and the digi community.
ITA with that statement. As someone who's been around since before ANY CT's, or all but 1 digi store I have to say that back in the day we did care. We did develop friendships through the galleries and forums.
I've noticed that at least 98% of the oldies but goodies from back in the day do not post in any or extremely few galleries anymore, I'm still friends with them online though at places like FB...It's too bad really. Such a loss not to be able to form that many friendships through digi anymore.
Back in the day, I lived at Digi Scrap Divas, I think it was called. There was a great feeling of friendship and sharing. Then I lived at DST. Now I live at Facebook.
(Why yes I do have a real life... sort of.)
My Facebook friends are a mix - people I went to school with, people I am on a CT with (I am only on one), people I met online and became quite close to, current friends, family etc. I have converted a few people to scrapping through what I post.
FB has something for me now that DST just doesn't. Maybe it's comment love... I sure wasn't getting that at DST, LOL.
Thanks for the new space, btw.
Hm, I guess I came into digi too late to form any real friendships, so I'm kinda SOL on the FB and twitter thing. With the way the (ahem) community is now, it's hard to know who to try and friend on FB. My FB has my kids, my family, my extended family, some friends from work. I'd really have to trust someone to put them on my FB.
I would love to find trustworthy scrappers, but I guess I've seen too much go down to feel safe friending lots of 'virtual' friends on FB.
bummer.
I find it ironic that so many scrappers are concerned about their LOs of kids getting into the wrong hands on the regular galleries, yet seem quite willing to put them up on FB (without the privacy setting), where anything can, and has indeed been known, to happen.
I'm 5.52PM, and I have never had a problem with posting my layouts on galleries, Facebook, Flickr, etc. I don't post layouts of my naked/topless children (I don't scrap them to begin with)
And if some sick freak wants to Photoshop my girls' head on some naked body, I'm not ever going to know.
Looking through my FB friends, I have 14 CT & ex CT, 14 scrapping friends (digi & paper) and several people I went to school with who scrap now. Not scads and scads of people, but enough. 221 friends total.
And I get comments on my layouts from non scrapping friends, too... gotta love that!
I think I already mentioned that I was a comment whore ;)
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=215231
throw up my hands...it is so swirling the drain
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=215231
throw up my hands...it is so swirling the drain
October 20, 2009 11:27 PM
OMG! Have u seen her gallery? I cant stand when people think they can be designers who are still newbie scrappers.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=215231
throw up my hands...it is so swirling the drain
October 20, 2009 11:27 PM
OMG! Have u seen her gallery? I cant stand when people think they can be designers who are still newbie scrappers.
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I actually feel sorry for her. Yikes!
OMG! Have u seen her gallery? I cant stand when people think they can be designers who are still newbie scrappers.
October 20, 2009 11:53 PM
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The two don't really go together as some designers don't scrap at all. However, even I can't think of anything nice to say about that kit. Sadly, it would have been sub par even in 2005, when I started digi.
Eeeek. Her LOs are much worse than the kit.
Oh well, she will figure it out soon enough when nobody buys anything.
I hope she doesn't see this though, at least she has enthusiasm and she isn't hurting anybody.
Did you notice she has 427 layouts?
427 layouts with the same 10 pictures. oy.
427 layouts with the same 10 pictures. oy.
I noticed that too. Weird.
Well, she may very well have seen your comments here because when I just looked at that thread there is no picture of the kit AND she is online. Maybe she is rethinking her designing skills.
Ok, are my eyes deceiving me or do a lot of her photos look out of proportion? A lot of them look like she's resized them by dragging the upper or side edges up or out instead of using the corner handle.
I never saw a kit preview.
I'm just not going to bash on someone's gallery.
When someone's trying to SELL their designs, I think they're opening themselves up to opinions-even harsh ones on smack blogs
Not so with scrappers' galleries :(
Yes. She needs a lesson in constraining proportions... as well as other lessons, methinks.
You know, I don't think people on this blog have bashed anyone for a while, really... but maybe the OP was a gentle reminder for us to get back to our roots? LOL.
Oh, there was a preview. It was a Halloween one with black cats and things.
Anonymous comments can't be edited, so they stand... but most of these opinions arose with the assumption that she was selling.
Not our fault if she takes it down and changes her mind.
DSTHOF...saving the Digi world one bad kit at a time.
Anonymous comments can't be edited, so they stand... but most of these opinions arose with the assumption that she was selling.
Not our fault if she takes it down and changes her mind.
October 21, 2009 4:32 PM
I understand, and not trying to be a handslapper/pearl-clutcher, but just feel bad when I see someone's regular scrapping getting raked over the coals.
And if she was selling a stinker of a kit, I totally get the comments about that.
I think bashing a scrapper for her scrapping style or LOs etc is lame. If she's happy with them, what does it matter to anyone else? Unless she is trying for a S4O of course.
Designing skills, however, can come under scrutiny. If they want to sell to the public, the public has a right to say it's not good enough, like any other product being sold.
What are you talking about? She IS planning on selling as Sassy Scraps. She's also got a call out for a preview maker. The mere fact that she had "I know it's not very good" (in reference to the preview she originally had) is a clear indications that she isn't ready for designing though. If she doesn't know how to resize a photo properly I don't know how she thinks she is ready to design. Did anyone save the preview before she removed it?
427 layouts with the same 10 pictures. oy.
October 21, 2009 12:13 PM
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I used to use the same photos a lot, mostly because I didn't have that many that I really liked and I just didn't have that many. Of course, I only had around 20 LOs or less. I have more photos now and ironically, less LOs.
What are you talking about? She IS planning on selling as Sassy Scraps.
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I never said she wasn't planning to sell but she isn't selling her scrapping, is she? Read what I wrote.
I just wonder if these stores with all the substandard designs are really making any money???
I see so many stores advertising and pimping at DST that are just full of god-awful stuff and I wonder if anyone's actually buying that junk??
Hey maybe she could sell at DSP . . .if her stuff is very 2005, she'd be a great fit!!
Here is the offending kit: http://tinypic.com/r/2qukmxs/4
^yikes^
Hey maybe she could sell at DSP . . .if her stuff is very 2005, she'd be a great fit!!
October 21, 2009 5:05 PM
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Ahh NO, the designers at DSP actually know how to design.
They may not be to everyone's taste but they know how to use their program and don't rely on extracted scans to make their elements.
It wasn't just the preview it was the requirements, bad spelling in combination with the kit. I don't think it is unreasonable to look at someone's gallery to get an indication of quality and style. On the preview it indicates "all not shown" Why? Is she hiding the really quality elements?
^since she's also looking for someone to make previews, I'd say it's lack of experience with being able to get it all to fit and presentation.
Ahh NO, the designers at DSP actually know how to design.
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That's totally a matter of opinion, but I can agree to disagree ;)
to me, technical knowledge doesn't make someone a designer.
Technical knowledge doesn't make someone a designer, but you sure should have some before you attempt to sell your designs.
to me, technical knowledge doesn't make someone a designer.
October 21, 2009 6:45 PM
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No, technical knowledge, creativity, color skills and knowing what sells is what makes someone a designer.
Designers do well at DSP, so that means they are good designers, just because you don't like the style doesn't mean it isn't appealing to others. Not everyone has to have the trendiest kit out, some of us like to have kits that will not date and will showcase our photos instead of the other way around.
There is something to be said for classical style as apposed to the latest trend. Not everyone has to have what's trendy, some of us like stylish.
Normally, I wouldn't pick on a scrapper's gallery. But, because there are only about 10 pics used over so many LOs and based on the credits I think she's doing CT LOs. To me, those are up for criticism since it's advertising.
if she did read this blog and that is why she took down her preview good. I think anyone who reads this blog risks getting hurt feelings. u never know when your name will end up here.
More likely she removed it because she has a volunteer to do her previews for her now.
how many CT members is too many? I saw designers with 20 and 25 CTMs this week. Does that seem excessive to anyone else?
I saw designers with 20 and 25 CTMs this week. Does that seem excessive to anyone else?
October 22, 2009 10:57 AM
Oh yeah. Totally over the top. Especially when all the scrappers have the same style and they include every last freakin' CT member's LO for the kit preview in the store. I don't want to wade through so many LOs that essentially look the same. I'd much rather have some good previews of the actual kit.
it bugs me when there are 20-25 CT LOs but they are not big enough to really see anything in the kit
vw: bubumsop -- is this something you wash your bum with!!??
bubut of course
how many CT members is too many? I saw designers with 20 and 25 CTMs this week. Does that seem excessive to anyone else?
Yeah, that's too many. I would much rather see 5 or 6 LOs that show different styles and seem personal than 20 that are all one picture with a pile of elements and no journaling.
My question is - if any of those CT members weren't on the CT would they actually buy the designers stuff? Or will they scrap with anything as long as it is free?
I am on two CTs and I am only on teams for designers I would buy from. In fact I spent a couple hundred dollars on them before I became part of the teams.
My question is - if any of those CT members weren't on the CT would they actually buy the designers stuff? Or will they scrap with anything as long as it is free?
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I haven't seen any that would be willing to admit they are just in it for the free stuff. At DST, some CTMs insist they ONLY use product they love and would buy anyways. If that were always the case then some designers are shorting themselves out of $100 every time their team of 20 scraps with a $5 kit...but I don't really think it's true for all CTMs. Some really are in it for the free product but they are not the ones defending themselves at DST, they're just dropping LOs in the gallery and moving along to another open gallery to do the same.
i'm a ct who does it for the free kits! I wouldn't buy kits if I wasn't a CT.
I would piecemeal my layouts with the millions of free things out there...or attempt to make them myself...attempt
the designers I CT all know this, and laugh at my candidness, so it's cool all around, I do good work for them and we are all happy
hey anyone remember Miss Honey? Looks like Flergs busted her for using one of her blog freebies in her kits.
Hey, when you can't design for shit and can't bother to take the time to actually learn how to do it...steal. That seems to be the mentality of some people.
At least she's moved on from right-clicking web images and badly extracting them to using quality stuff. lol
(that's my sarcasm for the day. moving on...)
hey anyone remember Miss Honey? Looks like Flergs busted her for using one of her blog freebies in her kits.
October 22, 2009 3:36 PM
Didn't this happen a long while back? Or has there been a new occurrence?
ITA with the 20 or more CTMs, what's the point? Especially as so many designers do seem to pick scrappers that have the same or near same style. Again, what's the point? If you are going to have that many people on your team, at least make sure that every 5 or so of them have a different style, even if it's not their style, as long as they good at what they do. I remember years ago applying for an up and coming designer and she rejected me. I saw the people she picked, and they all they had the same exact style. Even way back then I thought what's the point?
Agree about the designers with 20+ CT members-redonkulous.
And how about the CT whores who are on like 10+ teams? Would they really be buying all that if they weren't on so many teams?? I kind of doubt it, but they are usually the ones who will insist that they TOTALLY would buy everything they're doing their CT scrapping with. And they're usually also the ones who post in the ISO threads where people have *specifically* asked for not CT ennabling. grr
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Those CTMs really bug me. I think they only thing they succeed in doing is turning a lot of people off the designer the are CTing for. Defeats the purpose, don't you think?
I don't care if CTM's post in ISO threads as long as they are actually posting what the OP requested and not just posting stuff that is so obviously not what the OP asked for.
hey anyone remember Miss Honey? Looks like Flergs busted her for using one of her blog freebies in her kits.
October 22, 2009 3:36 PM
Didn't this happen a long while back? Or has there been a new occurrence?
October 22, 2009 4:48 PM
Nope, this is something new - check Flergs' twitter, she talks about it this week.
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How unprofessional.
Piracy is wrong but there's no need for the designer to 'tweet' about it (appropriate word though)
Was this the same one that she caught a while back using her stuff?
I honestly wonder if it's safe to buy any.damn.thing these days. ugh.
How unprofessional.
Piracy is wrong but there's no need for the designer to 'tweet' about it (appropriate word though)
October 22, 2009 6:30 PM
Not the one who originally brough this topic up, but seriously? Why not, if someone is stealing from you, why should you hide it? don't you think it is good to bring it to light in case others have been taken from too? I see absolutely nothing wrong with making it public. Speaking for myself, I would not like to spend my money in a pirate's store. So thank you Flergs!
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I think it's funny. So many posters here bitch constantly about designers screaming piracy or copycat all the time, and now it's okay to do that?
I doubt any of you would have bought from Honey Designs anyway, so it's a moot point.
How unprofessional.
Piracy is wrong but there's no need for the designer to 'tweet' about it (appropriate word though)
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Why is it "unprofessional" for a designer to call out someone who is stealing their designs???? I say let Flergs scream it from the rooftops, tweet it and post it everywhere.
what do you guys think about designers who CT for other designers? Can you think of an analogous situation outside digi-scrapping? Seems counter-productive to me...
Well my bitch is about the designer copy cat/piracy issue concerning Flergs is that while she is screaming make the twittering about piracy she is selling blog templates for word press and blogger using themes that you came Download for free. Sure they are her graphics but not her template(xhtml/css) design.To me that is the same thing. Doing blog makeovers for friends for free sure, but to sell them is wrong at least to me. A Creative Commons license does mean you can do anything you want. There is no credit at all to the designer who coded the template.
what do you guys think about designers who CT for other designers? Can you think of an analogous situation outside digi-scrapping? Seems counter-productive to me...
I think it just perpetuates the feeling of cliques in the digi-world. I can't think of any other industry that would do that.
I will say that it is getting tiring to see the same names over and over on new CT announcements. It makes me wonder if fewer people are applying for CTs (like it's the same group over and over) or if designers just can't see that they need to add some fresh scrappers to the mix.
The Designers on CT thing. I think it really depends. Some really great Layout Artists are now some really great designers. Kate Hadfield comes to mind ( I know she is not everyones taste) I personally love Gina Millers pages (still a taste thing) and also love her style of design. I think they both also CT on teams that suit their page styles.
Sometimes its easier to pick a CT of people you know, that way you know your not going to get ripped off.
Lots of Designers were CT's first, and then Designing came later on... So that doesn't bother me to much
Here's a novel thought for designers-it's not the CT layouts that sell me on a kit. Sometimes I enjoy looking at LOs in galleries, but what makes me buy is good, quality previews.
good quality previews are important, but I always want to click on the preview and see how the kit has been used by the CT's. Sometimes if the CT uses it in creative ways, I'll be able to picture myself using it more, and then possibly buy it. I still love to shop from the galleries. I'll see a layout i love, and I hope they've listed the credits, because I'm more than likely to go shopping!
Why is it "unprofessional" for a designer to call out someone who is stealing their designs???? I say let Flergs scream it from the rooftops, tweet it and post it everywhere.
October 23, 2009 10:01 AM
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Please see my reply that is above yours. Did you miss that when you responded?
Why is okay for some designers to scream about piracy but not okay for others?
I kind of agree with 1:41. The biggest selling point for me is good previews--of elements AND papers.
I don't mind looking at CT layouts (a few-not more than about 5, though). The problem I have with CT Layouts as the only advertising or description in the store is this: if the CT person did not use that kit 100% exclusively, how do I know that what I LOVE about that LO is going to be in the kit??
An example: Holliewood's Halloween kit had some Ct layouts and some done by Hollie. The layout that I loved the most (that made me think I wanted the kit) used a word art from another OScraps designer--I had already seen that wordart, so I figured it out, but I would have been really disappointed had I bought that kit based on that LO, thinking that I was also getting that word art/stamp.
It's kind of like the grab bag syndrome--lots of us fell for the hype and pimping and got burned. The reveal blogs were born because people wanted to see *exactly* what they were getting.
I'm like that with kit previews now--I want specifics on the product. CT layouts are fine for inspiration, but they should NOT take the place of quality, details previews that show exactly what you're getting.
Why is okay for some designers to scream about piracy but not okay for others?
October 23, 2009 5:27 PM
Flergs had specifics and she nailed the HOney person directly.
"Designers" who come to the smack blogs and cry copycat/piracy without specific proof are wasting everyone's time. Handle it yourself and handle it directly. Then, if you want to scream it from the rooftops of your own blog or twitter--go for it.
That's what Flergs did--she didn't go on some smear campaign to forums and blogs--she twittered about it on HER OWN twitter page and that's her prerogative.
When I do a CT layout and I use things from other kits, I say staple from xxx and ribbon from xxx. If I recolour, I usually say so. I almost always use just the one designer's stuff in a LO.
Hopefully that is helpful to anybody who happens to look at my pages. If they read the credits, of course. :)
I am on a CT where a lot of members became designers, got busy and left. It's pretty disappointing and sad, but I get it.
I don't mind looking at CT layouts (a few-not more than about 5, though). The problem I have with CT Layouts as the only advertising or description in the store is this: if the CT person did not use that kit 100% exclusively, how do I know that what I LOVE about that LO is going to be in the kit??
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Yep, I agree with this. I've had it happen to me where I totally loved something on one of the CT LOs only to realize that the element I really liked wasn't part of the kit being advertised. One of the designers I CT for doesn't have a lot of rules but her big rule is to only use 100% of the kit for CT kit preview LOs. If we are uploading to the galleries, it's not so important.
When I do a CT layout and I use things from other kits, I say staple from xxx and ribbon from xxx. If I recolour, I usually say so. I almost always use just the one designer's stuff in a LO.
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But what if that LO goes into the kit previews in the store? No credits are given there. It happens a lot.
That's what Flergs did--she didn't go on some smear campaign to forums and blogs--she twittered about it on HER OWN twitter page and that's her prerogative.
October 23, 2009 5:33 PM
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Gotcha, Flergs did it so it's okay. I've known other designers who have only cried piracy on their own blogs and still been bashed for crying piracy.
Gotcha, Flergs did it so it's okay. I've known other designers who have only cried piracy on their own blogs and still been bashed for crying piracy.
October 23, 2009 6:03 PM
You could have inserted any other designer's name into my post and I would have meant the exact same thing.
Flergs was just the designer mentioned in the post you took such issue with. I could honestly care less if it's Flergs or designer xyz.
I am not aware of other designers who have handled piracy issues themselves and been bashed. I haven't seen it here at this blog that I remember.
When I do a CT layout and I use things from other kits, I say staple from xxx and ribbon from xxx. If I recolour, I usually say so. I almost always use just the one designer's stuff in a LO.
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But what if that LO goes into the kit previews in the store? No credits are given there. It happens a lot.
October 23, 2009 6:02 PM
^^^
Yes-that's my issue with CT Layouts as store previews for the kit. The designer does not bother to distinguish any items that aren't hers.
If designers are going to use CT stuff for store previews, then the layout ought to be 100% from that kit. Otherwise, it's just too much like bait and switch.
I will no longer buy a kit that does not contain previews of exactly what is in the kit. If it's only CT LOs for store previews, I'm NOT buying. Nothing worse than buying something and getting something different than you thought you were buying.
What she said!
(Can I be your BFF for Life?!)
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I kind of agree with 1:41. The biggest selling point for me is good previews--of elements AND papers.
I don't mind looking at CT layouts (a few-not more than about 5, though). The problem I have with CT Layouts as the only advertising or description in the store is this: if the CT person did not use that kit 100% exclusively, how do I know that what I LOVE about that LO is going to be in the kit??
An example: Holliewood's Halloween kit had some Ct layouts and some done by Hollie. The layout that I loved the most (that made me think I wanted the kit) used a word art from another OScraps designer--I had already seen that wordart, so I figured it out, but I would have been really disappointed had I bought that kit based on that LO, thinking that I was also getting that word art/stamp.
It's kind of like the grab bag syndrome--lots of us fell for the hype and pimping and got burned. The reveal blogs were born because people wanted to see *exactly* what they were getting.
I'm like that with kit previews now--I want specifics on the product. CT layouts are fine for inspiration, but they should NOT take the place of quality, details previews that show exactly what you're getting.
October 23, 2009 5:29 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Here's a novel thought for designers-it's not the CT layouts that sell me on a kit. Sometimes I enjoy looking at LOs in galleries, but what makes me buy is good, quality previews.
October 23, 2009 1:41 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
good quality previews are important, but I always want to click on the preview and see how the kit has been used by the CT's. Sometimes if the CT uses it in creative ways, I'll be able to picture myself using it more, and then possibly buy it. I still love to shop from the galleries. I'll see a layout i love, and I hope they've listed the credits, because I'm more than likely to go shopping!
October 23, 2009 4:07 PM
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And that is why you get some of both.
And that is why you get some of both.
October 23, 2009 7:17 PM
Not always true. One tiny or overloaded pic is not an accurate representation of what's in the kit.
I totally get that there's a need for better previews of the actual.items.and.papers in the kit.
I'm looking for a new digital home. I really like the designs at Scrap Orchard and Sweet Shoppe Designs. Which has a better community without all the drama?
Totally agree on the CT layouts, they should contain ONLY what is offered in the kit. Holliewood was mentioned here, and I had noticed that too when I purchased the kit, but thankfully she is very meticulous about showing each and every element that comes with the kit in her store previews, so as I looked thru I realized the word art was not a part of the kit, but I would also have been disappointed. So CT's, please if you're showing us what's in the kit, use only what's in the kit!
8:13--between the two I'd say SO. I have heard about lots of behind the scenes ugliness at SSD. Haven't heard that about SO.
I have a where there's smoke there's fire kind of belief about stuff I hear over and over again.
Although I mentioned Holliewood, I really didn't mean to bash on her, and she DOES put previews of all her elements, so that might not have been totally fair of me. It was just the first example I thought of. I do think that any LO's used in the store should contain that kit only, though. Only seems fair, since that kit only is what you're selling.
But here is EXACTLY what I'm talking about:
http://shop.scrapbookgraphics.com/product.php?productid=25363&cat=0&page=1
No real element previews, ok on the paper ones, but 24+ CT Layouts?? Are you freakin' kidding me?
There's no way I'm throwing down that much cash without some good previews of all the elements, etc.
Natali's stuff is the same way. One paper preview, and the rest is CT layouts. Even worse when all the layouts are so dang similar.
It seems like more and more designers are going this route, and it just doesn't make sense to me. I just can't afford to buy when I don't know exactly what I'm getting.
But at least I'm not spending nearly as much on digi supplies, though ;) Gotta trim the budget somewhere and this new trend made my decision for me.
8:13, if you're looking for a no drama forum, I have only good things to say about SO. I have to admit I haven't really hung out at SSD much, but I lurk at SO while I'm nursing my son and I don't see any drama.
Ah, okay, I getcha. My designer doesn't use layouts in her kit descriptions, just previews. So my layouts are all for Facebook.
I'm 5.58PM.
"the demise of digi"
LOL - its like reading your obit before you are actually dead.
PUHLEASE be more dramatic because I am just not moved enough. Digi is not dead. I still make a VERY decent income and the art medium itself is evolving all the time.
You know what is dead? The fake, trite communities and freakish behavior by so many obsessed women.
It costs money to keep galleries and forums up and running. Kudos to those who take a look at the business bottomline and decide where to put the focus.
But dead? Gezzus - I am going to giggle about that for at least a week.
You know what is dead? The fake, trite communities and freakish behavior by so many obsessed women.
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Unfortunately, a lot of the more honest down to earth communities are dead too, mostly because of the kind of community that you've described.
PUHLEASE be more dramatic because I am just not moved enough. Digi is not dead. I still make a VERY decent income and the art medium itself is evolving all the time.
You know what is dead? The fake, trite communities and freakish behavior by so many obsessed women.
It costs money to keep galleries and forums up and running. Kudos to those who take a look at the business bottomline and decide where to put the focus.
But dead? Gezzus - I am going to giggle about that for at least a week.
October 23, 2009 10:02 PM
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I think you are being quite dramatic enough for the both of us. And Gezzus? You honestly wrote that? I'm going to be giggling for the next month.
I know a lot of the people at SSD and at SO. I've CT'd for several of them, and still currently do. I love all of them, and don't know much about the drama that you are talking about. I think that both are really great stores. My personal preference is SSD, but I just know more people there and work with more of the designers.
And yet another designer changing stores multiple times in just a few months. C'mon ladies, quit making it so damn hard to follow you!
Who?
yeah, who?
I still make a VERY decent income and Gezzus - I am going to giggle about that for at least a week.
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Thanks for that, there will be lot of people giggling "with" you for at least a week.
None other than French Ruby.
Kelsey Smith (remember when the designers she CT'd fore were looking for her?)is back... claiming she's not in high school.
http://kelseysmith.typepad.com
http://exposetrolls.blogspot.com/2009/10/kelsey-smith-is-back.html
I guess I missed the Kelsey Smith thing . . .
What did she do?
Is she a kid claiming to be an adult, or vice versa?
Maybe she's just another Amanda Dykan persona . . .
Back in 2007, Kelsey Smith was a 15 year old girl taking AP classes and babysitting 3 kids. She got on to all kinds of CTs including one of mine. She was very much into photography and started creating Lightroom Presets and giving them away from her blog. She seemed a little "off" to me, but everyone else seemed to think she was fine so I didn't think anything of it. She disappeared for awhile, came back for a few weeks, and then disappeared again. Now apparently she's claiming to be a 30+ adult and the 3 kids in her photos are now "hers". I don't know if she says they are fosters or her own biological children, but regardless its a completely different story from 2 years ago.
On her 'about me' page she says she 'watches' 3 kids. And if she was 15 in 2007 and taking AP classes, couldn't she be 17 and out of high school by now?
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Oy. Sounds like a white hot mess. And she obviously needs some mental help. If this were my child, I'd want to know what she was doing.
Back in 2007, Kelsey Smith was a 15 year old girl taking AP classes and babysitting 3 kids. She got on to all kinds of CTs including one of mine.
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I didn't realize that digi designers dealt with minors--seems risky for just this kind of reason.
I totally get that there's a need for better previews of the actual.items.and.papers in the kit.
October 23, 2009 7:24 PM
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So, basically, you want a contact sheet or a screen capture of what is in the folder you download?
Let me get this straight now. In order to be customer-service cognizant designers, we shall now include:
- Good previews, including, but not limited to, main preview, paper preview, element preview and any extra type of product such as, but not limited to, quick pages, Photoshop Styles, alphabet sets, stacked papers, frames, frame clusters, masks, overlays, etc.
- Some CT layouts- but not an overload, a few that display the product's versatility seems to be the key.
- A contact sheet of everything in the kit. These typically hold 30 per page, so in a largish kit this could generate quite a few. Be advised, if they are saved at 300ppi for print quality, they will be likely to increase the size of the kit.
- A quick TOU preferably in a text file format, forget the piracy notices/graphics, forget your mug shot, and any other extraneous frou frou. Include your email in your TOU, perhaps your store link if you're not a shop-hopper- and we're good to go.
Does that cover it?
WV = phabus
This is just a PHABUlouS list now isn't it?
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designers like you are the ones I hope that I've never bought from.
Way to over-react and exaggerate, though.
Wha? That was entirely serious. Which part(s) should be omitted?
I just looked at the latest newsletter from Weeds & Wildflowers. I used to think their stuff was so great...Have they gone downhill, or has my taste changed? Because they are looking pretty lousy to me now.
3:41,
You've got it ALL covered!!!!!!!!
just looked at the latest newsletter from Weeds & Wildflowers. I used to think their stuff was so great...Have they gone downhill, or has my taste changed? Because they are looking pretty lousy to me now.
October 24, 2009 5:39 PM
I was thinking the exact same thing when their newsletter hit my inbox. I really think it's gone downhill, b/c I still love my old WW stuff from their very early days. I'm thinking about unsubbing from their newsletter-it's just a waste of my time these days.
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ITA. Was never a fan of Patricia's stuff, but Gina and Heidi's work has just steadily been going south.
forgot to say while the prices have gone up.
Kelsey Smith (remember when the designers she CT'd fore were looking for her?)is back... claiming she's not in high school.
http://kelseysmith.typepad.com
http://exposetrolls.blogspot.com/2009/10/kelsey-smith-is-back.html
October 24, 2009 11:40 AM
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Actually, this is old news. She was outted well over a year ago. She is and most definitely always has been adult. I have to say, she's got serious issues though with pretending to be a 15 year old.
- A contact sheet of everything in the kit. These typically hold 30 per page, so in a largish kit this could generate quite a few. Be advised, if they are saved at 300ppi for print quality, they will be likely to increase the size of the kit.
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Contact sheets can hold more than 30 items and they don't need to be 300ppi or dpi to be at a printable, readable quality. They can easily be the dreaded 200 or even 150.
I just looked at the latest newsletter from Weeds & Wildflowers. I used to think their stuff was so great...Have they gone downhill, or has my taste changed? Because they are looking pretty lousy to me now.
October 24, 2009 5:39 PM
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Looks the same as always to me. I guess your tastes have changed.
Back in 2007, Kelsey Smith was a 15 year old girl taking AP classes and babysitting 3 kids. She got on to all kinds of CTs including one of mine.
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I didn't realize that digi designers dealt with minors--seems risky for just this kind of reason.
October 24, 2009 1:14 PM
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Kelsey was hanging around mostly at MSA in the early days. Quite a few of the designers there took her own. Some to show how universal they were, some to show how open minded they were and some just to be part of the clique.
The MSA thing makes sense. So many cliquey sheeple types there. I'm not surprised they were taken in, but it was very stupid of them to put someone who was suppposedly 15 on their CTs-wonder if they checked to see if there was parental permission for use of the childrens' photos? What a bunch of dumbasses.
Actually, this is old news. She was outted well over a year ago. She is and most definitely always has been adult. I have to say, she's got serious issues though with pretending to be a 15 year old.
October 24, 2009 7:20 PM
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Where? I always had suspicions but never any confirmations about her.
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I can't quite remember but I think it was one of the old smack blogs.
I've been looking at her posts at MSA and DST and it's quite obvious that they've been written by an adult, the style, phrasing and wording is not that of a teenager.
Even reading her blog, you can see it's not the way a teenager speaks or writes. She's an adult, I just don't know why she pretended to be only 15 years old.
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I agree. I remember being a little envious of Kelsey because of the way everyone at MSA (all the designers and 'in' people) treated her. She quickly became all the rage over there and one of the new cool people to have on one's CT.
And I remember thinking her behavior didn't quite fit with any teen I know. She was well-spoken and way too mature. And what 15 year old would want to hang out with a bunch of older digi-scrappers? I have a 17 year old and a 13 year old and they think digi-scrapping is about as 'uncool' as it gets.
I know Kelsey. She goes to high school with me. We go to Eastlake High. She got me into scrapping and there's alot of us who are on MSA. Why does it matter if we are 16 or 17 and on there? You just have to be 14 to sign up. She's in the arty classes and she's really good, really smart. Everyone knows her for her art work.
That site is really mean. She does not say how old she is so they should shut up. I sent them an email but they didn't email me back.
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"I felt as if I was in high school, again...."
Kelsey implies on her blog she doesn't go to high school. So, how exactly is it you go to high school with Kelsey when according to her she is not in high school?
Give it up, Kelsey. ;)
All the pics I've seen are of a young girl. Has anyone seen a real pic of her if she's an adult?
I have some of her presets. They're okay but not great. Her stuff on MSA is clean but not really that creative.
I don't understand why she was so popular, and the pages were riddled with errors. If she is an adult, I would hope she knows the difference between too and two, but her pages suggest she doesn't.
So is she a kid pretending to be a mom or a mom pretending to be a kid? DWT has been right about the other stuff they posted.
So is she a kid pretending to be a mom or a mom pretending to be a kid? DWT has been right about the other stuff they posted.
October 25, 2009 10:11 AM
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No one really knows for sure but my money is on a mom pretending to be a kid.
I'm still trying to figure out why she ever got any attention in the first place--as an adult or a kid.
She's obviously a loon, and probably thriving on any bit of attention she gets. We all need to buy into the don't feed the trolls kind of thing and just ignore her.
I knew her as Sheanna Ritter. The kids were hers. I spotted the kids on "Kelsey's" layouts and asked about it. She told me Sheanna had been hit by a car and was paralyzed and she was watching the kids.
Kelsey, Sheanna, whoever she is, something's not quite right somewhere.
Just sayin.
All the pics I've seen are of a young girl. Has anyone seen a real pic of her if she's an adult?
October 25, 2009 9:58 AM
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Yes. Several of us have but the pictures are all gone. The Photobucket account has been deleted.
I knew her as Sheanna, too. Here is Sheanna's blog: http://alifeofpictures.blogspot.com/
Please see my reply that is above yours. Did you miss that when you responded?
Why is okay for some designers to scream about piracy but not okay for others?
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Did I miss something? Not to be snarky, but I was commenting on the "How unprofessional" post. I copied and pasted that first in my reply.
An example: Holliewood's Halloween kit had some Ct layouts and some done by Hollie. The layout that I loved the most (that made me think I wanted the kit) used a word art from another OScraps designer--I had already seen that wordart, so I figured it out, but I would have been really disappointed had I bought that kit based on that LO, thinking that I was also getting that word art/stamp.
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I am on Hollie's CT and we were given the word art from Paislee Press to use along with Hollie's kit. Everything was given the ok by Hollie. My layout clearly documents that the word art was from Paislee Press. I could see it maybe being a problem if the designer was from another store, but Paislee Press sells at O'Scraps too.
Sorry. Had to say something because Hollie is seriously one of the coolest, laid back, nicest people in digi land that I've had the pleasure to meet.
I don't understand why she was so popular, and the pages were riddled with errors. If she is an adult, I would hope she knows the difference between too and two, but her pages suggest she doesn't.
October 25, 2009 9:58 AM
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But that could be part of the pretense. Some of her posts are were well written and then some of her posts aren't, as if she suddenly remembered she was only supposed to be 15.
Sorry. Had to say something because Hollie is seriously one of the coolest, laid back, nicest people in digi land that I've had the pleasure to meet.
October 25, 2009 4:25 PM
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No one said anything against Hollie. They were just talking about a LO in a kit preview that had things on it that were not in the kit. A fair complaint. If you are part of Hollie's CT, maybe you should pass the word along. LOs that make it into the store kit previews should be 100% kit.
I am on Hollie's CT and we were given the word art from Paislee Press to use along with Hollie's kit. Everything was given the ok by Hollie. My layout clearly documents that the word art was from Paislee Press. I could see it maybe being a problem if the designer was from another store, but Paislee Press sells at O'Scraps too.
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To me, it becomes a big deal only if the layout is used in product previews and there's no way to click on it to see credits. If I see it in a gallery I'll check the credits, but if I see it in a kit's preview there's often no way to find out what other products might have been used in the layout. I have no idea if that's what happened in this case, I'm just saying that's when it becomes an issue for me.
All the pics I've seen are of a young girl. Has anyone seen a real pic of her if she's an adult?
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And? All the pics we saw of Lily Anne were not of Amanda ...
I don't ever remember seeing Kelsey in any of her LOs about the kids she was scrapping. And why is she at 15 able to afford to purchase Lightroom, a Diamond Membership at DST (given, that may have been a gift), get a new camera etc. And why as the baby sitter was she always buying clothes for the kids she's babysitting?
I knew her as Sheanna, too. Here is Sheanna's blog: http://alifeofpictures.blogspot.com/
October 25, 2009 2:19 PM
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Too weird!
Hello - Digital Candy
Hello my name is Kelsey im 14 and have been digital scrapbooking for a year ... Some of you may know Sheanna Ritter I babysit for her wonderful children and ...
www.digitalcandy.ca/forum/showthread.php?p=269 -
I can't get the link to show up on the Wayback Machine. Any of you seek and find gurus want to give it a shot?
Sorry. Had to say something because Hollie is seriously one of the coolest, laid back, nicest people in digi land that I've had the pleasure to meet.
October 25, 2009 4:25 PM
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Sigh. See? It's exactly this repsonse that made this blog a necessity. Criticizing a business error is not meant personally. Please CT's/fans don't warp it into that.
Customers should be able to voice an opinion without all the drama mongering.
I lose respect for a designer when this happens. They need to realize and explain to their CTs that these kinds of post make them look childish to some of thir customers.
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No one said anything against Hollie. They were just talking about a LO in a kit preview that had things on it that were not in the kit. A fair complaint. If you are part of Hollie's CT, maybe you should pass the word along. LOs that make it into the store kit previews should be 100% kit.
October 25, 2009 4:58 PM
No one said anything against Hollie. They were just talking about a LO in a kit preview that had things on it that were not in the kit. A fair complaint. If you are part of Hollie's CT, maybe you should pass the word along. LOs that make it into the store kit previews should be 100% kit.
October 25, 2009 4:58 PM
Absolutely spot on. There was no Hollie bashing at all. I'd also appreciate it if you passed the word on to as many of your designers as possible. It's only fair that if you're advertising a kit in the store that the LOs are done exclusively with that kit.
And the fact that the word art is also sold at OScraps is completely irrelevant. If I had bought that kit expecting to get the word art, I'd still have to turn around and BUY SOMETHING ELSE in order to get what I was originally trying to buy. Not ok-not at all.
Customers should be able to voice an opinion without all the drama mongering.
I lose respect for a designer when this happens. They need to realize and explain to their CTs that these kinds of post make them look childish to some of thir customers.
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ITA!!!!
Now I'm just left wondering who's being unprofessional in all this now . . . Hollie or her CT? Either way, it's not good advertising for Holliewood Designs.
Sorry. Had to say something because Hollie is seriously one of the coolest, laid back, nicest people in digi land that I've had the pleasure to meet.
October 25, 2009 4:25 PM
Christ on a Cracker. Did anyone say that Hollie WASN'T cool, laid back, or nice???
The comment you seem to take such issue with was about HOW A KIT WAS ADVERTISED IN A STORE. There were no disparaging remarks about Hollie AT ALL.
This kind of CT behavior is exactly, exactly, exactly what is wrong with digi!! So much drama and bullshit.
I do not CT for Hollie nor use her products since they are not my style but I have a question regarding the situation. So I CT and I do combine products but only if they are being released at the same time. For example if there is a kit put out and on the same day a doodle set that matches I would try to do both on the page. I may add products recently released in the past few weeks if the color scheme matches but I try to limit those to maybe one item. What about that scenario. I figire this allows regular customers to see how the kit compliments other products in the store.
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If it's just in the CT gallery part of the store, it's alright. However, if that LO makes it into a product preview, I don't find that acceptable and I'm obviously not alone in that. Just because we shopped one designer at that store, doesn't mean we shop all the designers at that store.
I am on Hollie's CT and we were given the word art from Paislee Press to use along with Hollie's kit. Everything was given the ok by Hollie. My layout clearly documents that the word art was from Paislee Press. I could see it maybe being a problem if the designer was from another store, but Paislee Press sells at O'Scraps too.
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Is that LO in the product preview or in the CT gallery? If it's the gallery, that's not what we are talking about. If it's in the product preview, where is it clearly stated that the word art belongs to Paislee Press?
http://www.oscraps.com/shop/product.php?productid=23167&cat=314&page=1
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Here's the kit in question. The kit's list of items even says "1 wordart" but from looking at the previews, I'm not sure which wordart is the one that comes with the kit.
The CT LOs used here have more than one that uses that Paislee Press wordart. THAT's what people are saying is confusing and not OK. It doesn't matter if it's sold in the same store. As a customer, I could care less if another designer's stuff "goes with" or "showcases" the kit. I want to see what I'm actually getting if I buy THIS kit.
If CTs and designers really are customers, too (as they keep claiming) why is that so hard to understand?? If you're putting LOs in the store to advertise your kit, those LOs need to use that.kit.and.that.kit.only. 100%
Really, is it THAT complicated???
Sigh. See? It's exactly this repsonse that made this blog a necessity. Criticizing a business error is not meant personally. Please CT's/fans don't warp it into that.
Customers should be able to voice an opinion without all the drama mongering.
I lose respect for a designer when this happens. They need to realize and explain to their CTs that these kinds of post make them look childish to some of thir customers.
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That. Totally and completely that.
6:39
Thats understandable. However that is a designer issue since they pick the product previews. I know where u are coming from since I use to get the same feeling when I shopped. Its like if u dont buy many products from the designer you cant actually get the same "look" of the example layout. This whole CT thing is way overboard. I may be a bad CTer but I dont do all the hype. Like ISO or hitting every gallery. I have a few I choose to upload at and I am good about my comments there but that is as far as I go. I get more views that way then when I did try to hit up every gallery.
However that is a designer issue since they pick the product previews.
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It is, but it's also on the CTM as they made the LO. When I'm doing a LO for a kit preview, I use only that kit. My designer didn't tell me to do that, it's common sense because when I shop, I want to see what's in that kit, not what complements the kit from the rest of the store.
Now I'm just left wondering who's being unprofessional in all this now . . . Hollie or her CT? Either way, it's not good advertising for Holliewood Designs.
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Are you retarded in some way? How is this unprofessional? An error perhaps in the preveiw, but not unprofessional. And her CT sticking up for her, IN A RESPECTFUL MANNER I might add. I fail to understand how something like this is "bad advertising" for Holliewood. As a designer, I would appreciate this kind of feedback on an oversight and use it to improve the previews the next time.
Are you retarded in some way? How is this unprofessional? An error perhaps in the preveiw, but not unprofessional. And her CT sticking up for her, IN A RESPECTFUL MANNER I might add. I fail to understand how something like this is "bad advertising" for Holliewood. As a designer, I would appreciate this kind of feedback on an oversight and use it to improve the previews the next time.
October 25, 2009 8:47 PM
Are YOU retarded in some way? How childish and immature to take customer feedback on a BUSINESS practice and then try to turn it into some personal drama. I don't know what the hell things are like where you're from, but in most places, people who can't separate business critique from personal drama-mongering are most certainly not considered professional.
Here, let me put it in really SIMPLE terms for you, asshole: Hollie's CT rushing in to "defend" her and say what a great person she is just makes the whole operation looks childish and immature. No one said Hollie was a bad person.
No one said anything against Hollie. They were just talking about a LO in a kit preview that had things on it that were not in the kit. A fair complaint. If you are part of Hollie's CT, maybe you should pass the word along. LOs that make it into the store kit previews should be 100% kit.
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I'm not on Hollie's CT, but why should she do that? Because you said so? No one is digi land is happy with everything. If that's the case we shouldn't have layouts at all for elements or single word arts because they should be 100% of that item.
Nothing like CTs to really get the drama rolling!
If that's the case we shouldn't have layouts at all for elements or single word arts because they should be 100% of that item.
October 25, 2009 9:05 PM
Not the same thing at all. On word arts and most element packs you see exactly what you're getting.
What was being talked about was kits where there are not clear previews of what is included, especially when designers are using CT LOs in the store to "preview" the product.
Apples and oranges. Kind of shocked that you can't see that.
ITA with 8:56. This whole CT swoop just makes me wonder if it's just them (foolishly) thinking they're doing Hollie a favor, or if Hollie complained about this and sent her CT in to "defend" her. Either way, it doesn't leave a good impression.
This was never about Hollie the person. There was some very valid and very respectful criticism of advertising practices. It's a damn shame some people are just too immature to be able to comprehend that.
I'm not on Hollie's CT, but why should she do that? Because you said so? No one is digi land is happy with everything. If that's the case we shouldn't have layouts at all for elements or single word arts because they should be 100% of that item.
October 25, 2009 9:05 PM
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I'm not the only one saying so. Asking for a product preview LO to be 100% that product is not unreasonable, there's no need to be snarky about it.
This blog makes me laugh.
I cautiously stick my head in here. Please know, I did not ask anyone to say anything. I can speak for myself.
Here is how it went down. I really suck at wordart and when I saw Liz’s wordart, I got all excited. I thought they were a perfect match for my kit and wanted to use them. Liz gave my team a coupon for them. Yes, I agree I should have noted that in the description. I have amended that. I am very sorry for the confusion. It’s one of the reasons I show every single thing in my previews. Also, please feel free to email me with any concerns. I work really hard to make my customers happy. I email everyone after every purchase just so you CAN contact me easily.
Now, here are my thoughts on product/CT layouts. I think like a scrapper first. I never want a layout to not be what a team member wants it to be because they are missing that one perfect element that would complete it. Or if I don’t do an alpha or some wordart (‘cause have I mentioned that I suck at it?) that a layout suffers. I don’t want anyone to not be 100% happy with their layout because the kit is missing something that they really needed. CTing is a thankless job. You get a $6.00 kit and then have to spend a couple hours of your time creating for your designer. I CT. I fully understand that. So, I hate to make “rules.” I think that my team usually does 99-100% anyways but this time it was my fault because I gave them the wordart from Liz. I see where y’all are coming from about the 100%, and I promise I will try to be good ;)☺
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Hollie, you are a good egg and no one had a problem with you. It's just unfortunate that your kit was one of the ones mentioned and then somehow, it spun a little out of control.
This blog makes me laugh.
October 25, 2009 9:32 PM
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Why do people feel the need to come here and say that? Does it you make you feel superior in some way?
now you really want to laugh...my son just came over and barfed in my lap.
Hollie, you are a good egg and no one had a problem with you. It's just unfortunate that your kit was one of the ones mentioned and then somehow, it spun a little out of control.
October 25, 2009 9:35 PM
I totally agree. The OP who mentioned your kit even said in a later post that maybe it wasn't the greatest example to use because you are so good about showing elements that come with your kits.
I totally get what you're saying about not wanting to make your CT do something that would impede their scrapping.
Maybe you could just ask your CT to note any LOs that are 100% your product and then choose from those for the store previews?
It's good to see a designer not get all snarky and defensive and actually explain their thinking when responding to CC. Thanks!
now you really want to laugh...my son just came over and barfed in my lap.
October 25, 2009 9:43 PM
Aww, have so BTDT. Hope he's feeling better very soon!
Blogger Hollie Haradon said...
now you really want to laugh...my son just came over and barfed in my lap.
October 25, 2009 9:43 PM
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How considerate of him! I hope he feels better soon.
Hollie, I totally agree and I've been known to make 2 versions of CT layouts, one for galleries using 100% kit and one for myself with the little extras thrown in. It takes a bit of extra time, but it's one way to work around a designer who requires that I use only their products on CT assignments.
Hollie, I totally agree and I've been known to make 2 versions of CT layouts, one for galleries using 100% kit and one for myself with the little extras thrown in. It takes a bit of extra time, but it's one way to work around a designer who requires that I use only their products on CT assignments.
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That's a good idea! I think I will do that too.
And thank you for the well wishes for my son. He seems better this morning.
I don't know. I think I have to disagree that all products on a layout need to be from that designer or just from one kit. One designer I CT for just asks that you use mostly her designs, but that you can mix up her kits. I don't think she needs to state anything else. If you look closely at the previews of the papers and the elements, you should be able to see what is in there, and if not, look at their list of what's in and if you don't find it, it's probably not there.
If a designer doesn't want to use my layout in their previews because I have other designers items in it (like maybe a large alpha or something), that's fine with me too.
I've purchased from Hollie many times, and it is usually from seeing a layout that inspired me in the gallery. I will always go check out her kit, look at all the previews and read what is in the kit. I can totally understand the word art thing though, and maybe there should've been something on her preview page giving credit to Liz for it since several of her CT used it so it made it look like it might've been in the kit.
I personally like to use just one kit if I'm making a CT layout. That's just me though. I might use a little bit from another kit, but if it is a new release, I try to just use the one kit. I work for amazing designers though (IMO), so it is never a problem!!
I guess i was under a rock, but hadn't seen Hollie or her designs...and I just kept staring at the CT's work, thinking dang, how did they do that? Her previews are superb, but man, I wanted to see more of her CTs work!
Glad all the bruhauhau happened so this scrapper could find it...
[i]If you look closely at the previews of the papers and the elements, you should be able to see what is in there, and if not, look at their list of what's in and if you don't find it, it's probably not there.[/i]
The problem is that there are many previews (not talking about Hollie, I'm thinking of other designers) that don't show all of the kit's elements. The preview says that not all elements are shown, so as a consumer I'm kind of counting on CT layouts to not mislead me. If there's a ribbon that I love in a CT LO, and there are 5 ribbons listed in the kit description, I'm going to assume the ribbon I love is in the kit. If the CT member got that ribbon from somewhere else, I'm going to be pretty disappointed when I unzip.
If you look closely at the previews of the papers and the elements, you should be able to see what is in there, and if not, look at their list of what's in and if you don't find it, it's probably not there.
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Ah, but that's the point, quite a few designers do not make adequate previews and you can't see what's in the kit, so we rely on the CT LOs.
I don't know about the others, but some of those lists stating what's in a kit are longer than Gone with the Wind and I just can't take it in as it all starts reading the same after a while.
I don't know about the others, but some of those lists stating what's in a kit are longer than Gone with the Wind and I just can't take it in as it all starts reading the same after a while.
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beats something like "12 papers and 42 elements" who KNOWS what's in there!!??
I guess i was under a rock, but hadn't seen Hollie or her designs...and I just kept staring at the CT's work, thinking dang, how did they do that? Her previews are superb, but man, I wanted to see more of her CTs work!
Glad all the bruhauhau happened so this scrapper could find it...
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LOL! Good for Hollie then that all this came up! She seems very sweet, and I've always been very happy with all of her products! (and I agree, her CT is amazing)
not for nuthin..but why the f@#$ would you put a layout in praise game when you already have over 4 pages of comments?
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The few times I played the PG, I would never leave a comment on any LO that had a lot of comments from days ago.
not for nuthin..but why the f@#$ would you put a layout in praise game when you already have over 4 pages of comments?
October 26, 2009 6:41 PM
Crap like this is why so many people walked away from DST. That place is a joke.
Any bets on the new Scrap Orchard Designers?
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I saw that Dawn Inksip is moving store again, maybe her?
Dawn is usually in several stores at once though. SO requires their designers to be exclusive. I don't really see Dawn giving up all of her other stores.
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I haven't seen anything about Dawn leaving PBP.
oh brother, Cori didn't even start at the Pickle and has already moved on to the Lily Pad.
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I haven't seen anything about Dawn leaving PBP.
October 27, 2009 11:06 AM
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She isn't. I didn't know that SO required exclusivity.
I'm just glad that Cori's back-I've always liked her stuff.
I never saw an announcement that she was going to be at the Pickle?
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There was a link to her part of the store at the Pickle, which is still there, but it never went live.
If stores are going to require challenge participants to use x0% of their own store products, then the issue of designers store hopping becomes even more irritating.
If stores are going to require challenge participants to use x0% of their own store products, then the issue of designers store hopping becomes even more irritating.
Part of why I quit participating. I hate the checking the challenge, checking the store to see if the designer is still there and then searching down the kit I have in mind to verify that it is sold there. Pain in the rear. And so not worth the hassle for a percent off or working 3 months to earn enough to pay for ONE kit.
And then I realized that I was doing all of that work to basically provide free/cheap advertising for the store and designer. Nope. Not for me.
Generally, if a product was originally purchased at that particular store, the use of it is permitted for challenges. Just type "not now available" in the credits and it should be acceptable.
Cori was never even AT the Pickle. There was never an announcement or anything. It's not like she hops around from store to store because she was at Scrap Artist for as long as I can remember. Quit trying to create drama where there is none.
Relax, 8:14. No one said anything bad about Cori and I really didn't read it as anyone trying to create drama.
Sheesh.
Cori was never even AT the Pickle. There was never an announcement or anything. It's not like she hops around from store to store because she was at Scrap Artist for as long as I can remember. Quit trying to create drama where there is none.
October 28, 2009 8:14 AM
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Bub, you are the only one trying to create drama here. Here's a link to Cori's part of the store at the Pickle that never went live, which is what I clearly said before. Sheesh.
http://www.shabbypickledesigns.com/boutique/manufacturers.php?manufacturerid=62
I have to interject here and agree that 5:01 did sound like she was trying to start drama. This comment doesn't sound all that innocent.
oh brother, Cori didn't even start at the Pickle and has already moved on to the Lily Pad.
If you knew her store never opened, why even bring it up? You don't know what went on behind the scenes. Obviously if she never started at SP there was a reason. It would be different if she stayed there a month and left.
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No, I wasn't trying to start a drama. But some of you are obviously wanting drama.
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why don't you people bitching about the SP/Cori comment just STFU and then it wouldn't be an issue at all?
I agree with the OP-you're just looking to start something. It was never a big deal until YOU made it into one.
I'm not really into the Happy Place at DST but very now and again, I see something I like and post in the thread. What do you think of designers who start a thread and then don't come back to it for a week or more without explanation? Some of them will tell you if they are going to be a while, but others don't.
I wouldn't be inclined to by from a designer who starts something but then doesn't finish it, KWIM?
*buy not by.
I'm so tired.
I wasn't trying to make it a big deal. She made the comment, am I not entitled to voice my opinion just as she has hers? IN MY OPINION, it sounded like she was trying to start something. If she wasn't then I apologize. However, it doesn't change my right to express my thoughts on the matter.
would it not be reasonable to assume The Lilypad asked Cori to join up? Dont they bring designers and ct on by invite. Anytime I see someone just hop onto thet store or team I just assume that is what happened.
Bub, you are the only one trying to create drama here. Here's a link to Cori's part of the store at the Pickle that never went live, which is what I clearly said before. Sheesh.
http://www.shabbypickledesigns.com/boutique/manufacturers.php?manufacturerid=62
October 28, 2009 4:42 PM
That looks like a hidden link, the only way for you to have that is if Cori gave it to you.
It appears you are on her CT???
Maybe she is going to be guesting there???
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