Just giving you new space...and I like the comment above.
Actually, I went over to DST to find some smack worthy stuff, and I couldn't find anything. Pretty boring over there unless you are into arguing over health care reform.
So I don't want to kill the conversation started in the last thread...Why has DST lost its luster? Have people moved on to a new craft, have people moved to store forums, are people actually scrapping for themselves or have they all turned into designers?
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I assume she's talking about the smurf thread.
What is that about?
Not posting the thread???
I dont get it....
So what do you thing the reason DST has fallen in popularity?
I really havent found useful info in the last year. I find more info here than there.
I am not a CT person and I get really tired of CT stuff being rammed down our throat.......
"I am looking for a blue bird of happiness kit" Then wham-bam a blue bird kit...........
Some of the ads are months out of date........
The Gallery doesn't hold much interest to me...Way too many things are not in a manner that I would not scrap. I prefer a gallery that I might actually get some useful ideas.............
I think one of the reasons I have turned off DST is because there is so much CU items and I am really a kit shopper...............
What do you think? Why has DST lost its luster?
I think most of the old sites have lost their "luster" or gone out of business......All the designers that caused a buzz have moved on to different things. In the past, I would feel a connection to the person that designed a kit that reflected what I was scrapping at the moment. I see very few designers at DST lately.
When I first started scrapping, I felt connected to the designers now I am not sure if they moved on or if I have but either way the friendship has chanced.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=27152
Use to love DST when I first found it. But the CT pimping & those hard nosed republicans turn me off. Lara, TXMusic, & a few others need to just run for president. Such snooty little know it all republicans. As for Lara, with an attitude like hers, I wouldn't buy scrap from her, if she was the last designer standing. :(
Plus the visuals on that site are just boring. Come on how about a little blue or some color. :(
reasons DST has lost its luster:
*all the server/site issues
*all the gallery issues
*excessive pimping & advertising
*all the issues with the DCR
*Shannon's unwillingness and/or inability to do something with the place--the newsletter has been crap for a long, long time-the moderation is spotty and inconsistent--the site design has needed an overhaul for WAY too long and she has been promising and not delivering on that and tons of other issues for ages--the list just goes on and on
*the glaring bigotry and ignorance that's spewed all over the hot topics forum (Lara, txmusicmom, DebCozzi, tammy1999 come immediately to mind)
I think DST has lost appeal because it's just a hot mess of fakery. Too much artificial sunshine being blown up everyone's skirts.
it's like a yahoo group for ads or something over there...very, very artificial for the most part.
snooze!! Too many cliques... shannon's fake.. unless you are a "name" there then you are nobody... its not a very open place to be, not very welcoming!
yep. dst..been there done that ready to move on.
Where IS the place to go? I like a good mix in the forums of scrap-talk (sans the pimping) and nsbr stuff. A gallery where NORMAL people just post cause they like their pages and want to show them. Semi welcoming people?
Does such a place exist in digi land? If so where?
I want to know too....a GOOD place to hang out...a mix of SBR/NSBR minus all the pimping
DST is losing its shine because digiscrapping isnt new anymore.
Its gone from "community" to "business".
And with everyone and their sister thinking they should be a designer its over run with more "designers" then "scrappers". Some of them, admittedly DONT EVEN scrap!
someone mentioned outhouse something or other in the last post...i shit you not (hehe) that there is a designer out there that calls herself 'litterbox creations'
http://litterboxcreations.blogspot.com/
gross
Isn't the DST answer obvious? The owner and founder of the site doesn't even give a crap about the place. Why should anyone else?
August 22, 2009 3:13 PM
WOW lol this is just WOW and LOL
That Scrappers with Attitude place looks like a great home for tragedyanne!
So glad I don't have to click on "older" posts.
That Scrappers with Attitude place looks like a great home for tragedyanne!
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Did you notice the CT call for Bitchin' Scraps Boutique? Too bad she missed out on that opportunity (or maybe she didn't), it would have been another perfect fit.
Not really sure why the Hot Topics would turn people off, if you don't like it, don't go there. That's why it has it's own forum. People used to complain about the SBR and NSBR being together, now they complain that's it separate. I still like it separate as I didn't care too much for the NSBR but now the SBR is just advertising, or it seems like that.
Digi scrapping not being new anymore is a good point too. Along with losing that community feeling that there used to be.
I agree with all the advertising, it's gotten way out of hand.
I don't know if there is a place that is just a community, where scrappers upload LOs just to share, instead of advertise. Every gallery I visit seems filled to bursting with CT pages. In the early days, that didn't seem to matter as there were fewer designers and fewer CTs and everyone still wanted to be a community. Now it's all about advertising. I don't know if it works, as I just don't bother looking.
I'm hearing all of this talk of "taggers" ...call me naive, but wtf is a tagger?
Not really sure why the Hot Topics would turn people off, if you don't like it, don't go there. That's why it has it's own forum.
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This SUCKS though if you click the "new posts" to read the forum. All that crap is still there!
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I don't know if there is a place that is just a community, where scrappers upload LOs just to share, instead of advertise. Every gallery I visit seems filled to bursting with CT pages.
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And how would this community be funded? Websites aren't free! The advertising or attachment to the store helps offset the costs. And stores are limiting their galleries now because of the bandwidth costs.
I also don't agree with what you are saying. Just because I create a layout for a CT doesn't mean that it has less meaning or is even different than if I purchased the kit. I don't scrap different with kits that I buy. I still credit even if it wasn't a CT kit and you wouldn't even know the difference.
Why take it so personally? You know exactly what I mean. There are tons of LOs in galleries that have nothing but the name of the kit, the designer and a stock photo. How is that a personal LO? I'm several CTs but I make personal pages with their stuff. Sheesh. Get a grip. Besides the gallery is not paid for by the scrapper, is it? There is tons of advertising space elsewhere in the forums, in fact, there are three places, not including the banner ads.
Not really sure why the Hot Topics would turn people off, if you don't like it, don't go there. That's why it has it's own forum.
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This SUCKS though if you click the "new posts" to read the forum. All that crap is still there!
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Well, golly gee, I'm so sorry that life is so difficult for you. I wasn't aware that you could read opinions from the titles alone. You must be magic. Just move on if it says Hot Topics in the forum column. It's no different than getting junk mail.
Well, golly gee, I'm so sorry that life is so difficult for you. I wasn't aware that you could read opinions from the titles alone. You must be magic. Just move on if it says Hot Topics in the forum column. It's no different than getting junk mail.
August 23, 2009 12:28 AM
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glad you like DST and their politic talk so much.
I don't like it. I don't feel like it needs to be at a scrapbook site. There are plenty of places on the web to discuss that stuff. And I'm not American. It's all American politics. Boring.
I ignore it. But I shouldn't have to since it's a scrapbook site.
And I'm pretty sure that the person was pointing out that we can't just ignore it by not going to the forum. It depends on how you read the forums.
Why take it so personally? You know exactly what I mean. There are tons of LOs in galleries that have nothing but the name of the kit, the designer and a stock photo. How is that a personal LO? I'm several CTs but I make personal pages with their stuff. Sheesh. Get a grip. Besides the gallery is not paid for by the scrapper, is it? There is tons of advertising space elsewhere in the forums, in fact, there are three places, not including the banner ads.
August 23, 2009 12:26 AM
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How'd you get that she was taking it personally? Wow sure read a lot into posts!
We've been through this stock photo shit over and over again. I usually use my own pictures. But there's been a few times that I have used a stock photo to show something that I wish I could have or a movie star. It's still personal. And maybe it's still personal for them.
Maybe you should just ignore those layouts? Just as those of us who hate the politics should ignore those posts?
I have a feeling Joedee is lurking around.
Just a feeling. No proof. But I'm usually right about my feelings.
I did say I didn't visit the galleries anymore, or didn't you read that part?
I was trying to make a point about advertising being every where but that point seems to have got lost, as usual.
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glad you like DST and their politic talk so much.
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I don't but I just ignore it. That's the point.
How'd you get that she was taking it personally? Wow sure read a lot into posts!
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Read her post:
Just because I create a layout for a CT doesn't mean that it has less meaning or is even different than if I purchased the kit. I don't scrap different with kits that I buy. I still credit even if it wasn't a CT kit and you wouldn't even know the difference.
It can't get any more personal than that. Not reading anything into anything that wasn't already there.
loser
this blog sucks.
Who's a loser? You for saying loser? I agree, you are a loser.
What this blog suck? Eggs?
Bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch.....amazing how so many say I don't go, I don't read, I don't want to know and then you see the link to a thread or post where??? DST of course. Who's fake. It's amazing how so many don't care to be at DST but know so much about what is being said there and who said what and what threads are drawing controversy.......give me a break all you do is come here and complain and run right back to DST to see if you can find any smack to write about. If you want just a gallery try RAK Scraps
. If you want just a gallery try RAK Scraps
August 23, 2009 7:57 AM
there's still CT layouts there. and pimping.
Who freakin cares if it is a CT layout??? Do you even have to ready the layout specs? The gallery is about getting ideas and admiring others creations. The truth is that most of the gals on CT are far more talented scrappers than the general population. They aren't hurting or bothering you. You just want something to whine, whine, whine about.
have a feeling Joedee is lurking around.
Just a feeling. No proof. But I'm usually right about my feelings.
August 23, 2009 12:39 AM
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Maybe she, Amanda and Tandika could do a collab kit together?
*fans face* yawn.
Joedee, Dyko, and other digi crooks probably *are* lurking.
Digi scrappers have been an easy mark for them and I'm sure they'd like to keep that gravy train going.
The push-it-all-under-the-rug brigade also reigns supreme at DST and many other sites, so I'm sure they're just scoping out their next opportunity.
Who freakin cares if it is a CT layout??? Do you even have to ready the layout specs? The gallery is about getting ideas and admiring others creations. The truth is that most of the gals on CT are far more talented scrappers than the general population. They aren't hurting or bothering you. You just want something to whine, whine, whine about.
August 23, 2009 9:45 AM
^^^^^^
This was funny-thanks for the laugh!
Did Bren Boone come back and say what happened? I'm worried.
The truth is that most of the gals on CT are far more talented scrappers than the general population. T
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I know, especially when they scrap for the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus.
Bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch.....amazing how so many say I don't go, I don't read, I don't want to know and then you see the link to a thread or post where??? DST of course. Who's fake. It's amazing how so many don't care to be at DST but know so much about what is being said there and who said what and what threads are drawing controversy.......give me a break all you do is come here and complain and run right back to DST to see if you can find any smack to write about. If you want just a gallery try RAK Scraps
August 23, 2009 7:57 AM
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Thanks for setting an example. Now I know what you are talking about.
Sewing a dress with a pattern from simplicity does not make me a designer of clothes, it makes me a seamstress.
Making a kit with a bought pattern of exactness, does NOT make you a designer, it makes you _______??
bah, I don't even know what word to use...smack on or you fill in the blank?
I so want to do this with my name, but wimped out. Those who know me, smile...I think I snapped!
August 22, 2009 1:30 AM
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There are very few 'designers' out there anymore. The saturation of CU product has made it easy for ANY scrapper to become a designer who thinks they can make tons of money out of it.
Sadly for the vast majority of new 'designers' they will not make much money at all and will probably spend more than they make. Why would a scrapper buy a kit entirely compiled from CU stuff they can buy themselves?? I call the 'designers' who stuff their kits full of CU premade elements and papers recolored, Kit Compilers.
I would rather buy a small kit full of original designs a designer actually designed than an ugly kit that looks like all the others out there that all the kit compilers put together.
All those CU designers are killing what was once a reasonably good market if you were good enough. Every scrapper now thinks they can design and so now there are more designers than scrappers.. ROFL
I will keep on designing for scrappers and not designers because THAT is where the money is. I see all that CU stuff as a fad because I cannot see how the CU market can possibly sustain itself. Eventually all those kit compilers are going to realise they are wasting a ton of money on CU product because no-one is buying their regurgitated crap that every second designer now makes. It is all looking the same!!
I am content doing what I am doing and feel pretty confident that this CU fad will burn itself out in the not to distant future.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Did Bren Boone come back and say what happened? I'm worried.
August 23, 2009 5:33 PM
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Her last activity at ScrapOrchard was 11 August, so she's around, just not posting.
I call the 'designers' who stuff their kits full of CU premade elements and papers recolored, Kit Compilers.
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That's super good for you. But in reality, most customers aren't involved in forums and smack blog crap. They don't even know what CU is and would never know the difference.
Sounds like someone feels threatened. The fact is that there are digi designers out there who are are using CU items and making a good profit without YOU in particular buying, liking, or even thinking it's REAL designing.
I use CU stuff in my kits...I mean do you think they create that button they scan by hand??? It simply saves me time. Damn if only I could scan like that I would be the SHIT like you!!! lol
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I will keep on designing for scrappers and not designers because THAT is where the money is.
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If that is the case then why are you on here bitching? Get off of here and enjoy being "where the money is".
I will keep on designing for scrappers and not designers because THAT is where the money is.
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If that is the case then why are you on here bitching? Get off of here and enjoy being "where the money is".
August 23, 2009 7:52 PM
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You sound a hell of a lot more defensive than me my dear. I am perfectly happy where I am. As a designer who has been in this industry a lot longer than most, I am just stating my opinion is all.
CU designers are in it for the money, but it is a short term way to make money, it simply can't last. When there are more designers than scrappers, who is going to buy the kits? They are killing their own markets making it too easy to design.
My designs are reasonably popular and will remain so because I am not shooting myself in the foot.
That's super good for you. But in reality, most customers aren't involved in forums and smack blog crap. They don't even know what CU is and would never know the difference.
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Keep thinking that honey, maybe it will help you sleep at night.
My designs are reasonably popular and will remain so because I am not shooting myself in the foot.
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My designs are reasonably popular also; simply because they are cute, well priced and quality. NOT because of how much CU items are or aren't used in the making.
Feeling threatened is the only reason I can see why Designers are holding on to this "CU isn't real designing" bit. We all know that more often than not designers using CU items kits are blah, and all look the same. HOWEVER we also know there are a handful of designers who put a lot of work (ie DESIGN) into these CU purchases and create something beautiful, unique and totally their own. So don't group all designers who play with CU as simply kit composers b/c it simply isn't true. They (I) do A LOT more that just repackage. So stop acting so high and mighty because you don't. It's comes off as petty and jealous rather than just an opinion.
Eventually all those kit compilers are going to realise they are wasting a ton of money on CU product because no-one is buying their regurgitated crap that every second designer now makes. It is all looking the same!!
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Compiler...
compost and piles...bad combination, but great word to describe the sudden deluge of "designers"
I know there are SUPERB/EXCeLLENCT designers out there, but they are in a huge sea of CU compilers.
Now I get the forums, you can only use our kits to load or be part of challenges...
I'm slow, but I get it eventually!
Keep thinking that honey, maybe it will help you sleep at night.
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LMAO. Good one! Are you gonna tell a yo momma joke next?
I know there are SUPERB/EXCeLLENCT designers out there, but they are in a huge sea of CU compilers.
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Don't forget to mention that there are also a ton of anti-CU designers selling big piles of 80's shit. 98% of the product previews at DST are HIDEOUS!!! What is wrong with these designers? You have to swim through pages of ugly to find something cute!
LMAO. Good one! Are you gonna tell a yo momma joke next?
August 23, 2009 8:48 PM
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Only if it will help you sleep at night
and yet again, the greatest examples of bitchiness come from designers!
My designs are reasonably popular also; simply because they are cute, well priced and quality. NOT because of how much CU items are or aren't used in the making.
Feeling threatened is the only reason I can see why Designers are holding on to this "CU isn't real designing" bit. We all know that more often than not designers using CU items kits are blah, and all look the same. HOWEVER we also know there are a handful of designers who put a lot of work (ie DESIGN) into these CU purchases and create something beautiful, unique and totally their own. So don't group all designers who play with CU as simply kit composers b/c it simply isn't true. They (I) do A LOT more that just repackage. So stop acting so high and mighty because you don't. It's comes off as petty and jealous rather than just an opinion.
August 23, 2009 8:44 PM
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Umm, you are sounding very defensive. I was referring to the many 'designers' out there who do mostly kit compiling, not those who use the odd CU PIECE here and there.
Mind you I think you are better off not using them at all, but each to their own.
I am not in the remotest bit threatened??? Why should I be, my sales are just fine.
I am not acting high and mighty at all, I have an opinion and am sharing it based on my observations.
I don't get why designers of CU products would want to shoot themselves in the foot in the pursuit of the short lived almighty buck when there is much more longevity in originality and creating your OWN stuff.
The prominence of the CU designers in pursuit of the almighty buck are the ones who have caused the influx of the new 'designers'/kit compilers who make their kits entirely or mostly out of CU product. Anyone who has been in this industry a while can see how much it has changed and how much all kits are really starting to look the same.
If it floats your boat go for it, but I prefer a more long lived source of income and would rather not see the industry fall flat on it's face because of greed.
let me throw this out...
I see the duplication of CU items in new and old designers.
the stores are letting them sell it, somebody is buying it?
I agree it is watering down the or bringing the quality level down.
(for the record, I agree there are some crapola designers out there, that don't use CU too)
I'm not a designer, nor am I a huge buyer because I CT for awesome designers, I mean they are original and good, and pretty incredible people in my opinion. I'm pretty proud to be on their teams, wowed that I am, but really enjoy scrapping with their creativity and knowledge of the scrapping world and their programs, cameras and computers!
so we (me included) can whine and moan, but what can we actively do to change this?
so we (me included) can whine and moan, but what can we actively do to change this?
August 23, 2009 11:33 PM
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There is not a lot you can do about the influx of new designers, unless CU designers are willing to stop selling CU product and go back to selling to scrappers.
But if you don't like the same regurgitated stuff in all the kits you buy, seek out designers who are original and create more of their own stuff.
Try stores you have never tried before or who may not be cool. You may actually like what you find.
A lot of people seem drawn to scanned and photographed objects, but a lot of the time those objects are so poorly scanned or photographed and extracted that they look less real than things created from scratch.
So many new designers have no idea about lighting and grab these readymade elements that don't match the lighting/shadowing in the rest of their kit and it ends up looking like a hodge podge of mismatched items in a compiled kit.
Not the CU argument again. Seriously, that subject has not only been beaten to death, it's been reanimated so that it can be beaten to death again and again and again.
Not the CU argument again. Seriously, that subject has not only been beaten to death, it's been reanimated so that it can be beaten to death again and again and again.
August 24, 2009 12:58 AM
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You are welcome to come up with something that is more interesting to debate..there isn't a lot going on in the land of nod of late!
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I tried but it didn't go over too well.
I have a idea, for those that are bitching about cu shit. Simple thing to do would not to buy it. I do not know how you get much designing done when you are in here bitching back and forth about how good your sales are ect. People that brag like yourself usually have a insecurity problem. Trying to make yourself look better then what you really are. Really no one cares how much you make or what you use or do not use in your kits. Like the previous poster said. Stop bitching and go do something to make that all mighty buck. Just shut up about the CU shit already. People buy it people will continue to buy it, no matter what your lame ass opinion is on it. So shut the hell up and if you do not like the shit don't buy it.
I have a idea, for those that are bitching about cu shit. Simple thing to do would not to buy it. I do not know how you get much designing done when you are in here bitching back and forth about how good your sales are ect. People that brag like yourself usually have a insecurity problem. Trying to make yourself look better then what you really are. Really no one cares how much you make or what you use or do not use in your kits. Like the previous poster said. Stop bitching and go do something to make that all mighty buck. Just shut up about the CU shit already. People buy it people will continue to buy it, no matter what your lame ass opinion is on it. So shut the hell up and if you do not like the shit don't buy it.
August 24, 2009 2:28 AM
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My, what a fine command of the English language you have.
I think you would know all about insecurity problems. You sure sound like you have an intimate knowledge of such problems.
athe greatest examples of bitchiness is this
http://www.misstiina.com/goshop/product.php?productid=16924&cat=376&page=1
copycat MISS Tiina
All those CU designers are killing what was once a reasonably good market if you were good enough. Every scrapper now thinks they can design and so now there are more designers than scrappers..
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Please don't throw all CU designers into one lump bunch. Many of us have been selling CU for a long time. It isn't a fad for us. it's how we chose to design. Many of us have restrictions on use which others should have had and don't. Yes, for many it's a quick buck or so they think but in the long run it will be the long standing CU designers who survive the fad and continue to sell.
The market itself is over saturated. Time will take care of it because so many aren't making that fast buck and never will. Again the long standing designers if they stick it out will see the market eventually shrink.
Fot those who think digital will disappear don't understand that digital is a way for many to afford to scrap at all. Tired of hearing about high priced kits? Go to paper scrapping and see how much your $6.00 will buy-not much that's for darn sure with papers running around $1.00 a sheet now and all those fun little elements being a lot more then that. Oh yeah you can pick up pick paper packs at discount stores for $9.99 but it's everything else that winds up being big bucks.
athe greatest examples of bitchiness is this
http://www.misstiina.com/goshop/product.php?productid=16924&cat=376&page=1
copycat MISS Tiina
August 24, 2009 7:20 AM
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If you are going to accuse someone of copying you should at least link us up to what you think she copied.
I find it misleading that so many use this argument without EVER acknowledging the high cost of printer ink cartridges. Scrap pages with darkly colored backgrounds seem to gulp down tons of printer ink. If you don't factor that cost in, then it's not a legitimate comparison.
I do a lot of hybrid and card-making, so I do speak from experience; however, maybe, it's just my printer, but it drinks ink like a sailor on shore leave.
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For those who think digital will disappear don't understand that digital is a way for many to afford to scrap at all. Tired of hearing about high priced kits? Go to paper scrapping and see how much your $6.00 will buy-not much that's for darn sure with papers running around $1.00 a sheet now and all those fun little elements being a lot more then that. Oh yeah you can pick up pick paper packs at discount stores for $9.99 but it's everything else that winds up being big bucks.
August 24, 2009 7:46 AM
My, what a fine command of the English language you have.
I think you would know all about insecurity problems. You sure sound like you have an intimate knowledge of such problems.
August 24, 2009 4:19 AM
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Please do not come in here with the attitude that you are all high and mighty and talk like you are all that as well. You are at the same smack blog we are. This is a digital trailer court and you seem to be the queen of it!
I have nothing to be insecure about. The way I talk does not at all show any type of insecurity. It shows you that you should shut the hell up plain and simple!
You keep bringing up how well you are doing in the digi world but yet you are spending all your time on here. Hoping that you bitching will stop all the CU Designers that create CU Items. To me that sounds like a insecurity that you have or feel you are going to lose your customers to others that create kits. Or heaven forbid CU Designers.
Once again if you do not like it do not buy it! As for all this money you are making it should take you some time though to get the items that you use to look absolutely perfect as you seem to think your kits are. So you must be taking a break from Designing? Beings you are in here bitching about everything being said?
That surely does not give you much time to design. So get your panties out of a bunch and move on and go make one of those perfect kits and then you can come in here and show us just how perfect it is.
yo momma so fat, when she gets on the scale- it says TO BE CONTINUED...
hey oh.
MRS. THANG (you know who you are) thank you for sharing your views with us here on this smack blog. I find it funny that instead of reaching out to your fellow designers through legitimate means you choose to put down and blame the fall of the digi scrap industry on CU designers...... here on THIS blog.... anonymously.
Please come out of hiding and share with us your reasonably popular designs! I mean really. They must be pretty awesome since you're the one and only designer who doesn't seem to be affected by the recession in the least.
Its quite feeble minded of any designer who has the skill and desire to NOT do what it takes to earn extra money wherever they can. If CU is where the money is at, then by all means...... jump on the bandwagon! Keep in mind that CU designs are not just for other digi scrap designers so your market expands instantly to include photographers, s4o's, bloggers and more.
I find it misleading that so many use this argument without EVER acknowledging the high cost of printer ink cartridges. Scrap pages with darkly colored backgrounds seem to gulp down tons of printer ink. If you don't factor that cost in, then it's not a legitimate comparison.
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It's my guess that not all digital scrappers print their layouts at home. I'd say outsourcing is usually the best deal and much cheaper than printing at home especially if you order prints on sale.
That's the beauty of digital. You don't HAVE TO print instantly or at all and you still have your memories captured and preserved in a beautiful way. You can make slideshows, DVDs, web galleries, blogs to share layouts with friends and family. This is why I love digital scrapping and otherwise wouldn't be able to afford scrapbooking right now. TBH, even if I had the money to spare I would choose digital because it IS the more economical choice IMO.
If I were making a lot of hybrid cards or other disposable crafts I would probably change the dpi of my graphics to 150 before printing so they wouldn't require as much ink when printed. Perhaps that is a stupid idea but it sort of seems like common sense not to print cards and things at the highest quality possible and that alone should save on the cost of ink.
Some people *seriously* need to get over or at least move on past the CU thing. It's here, it's *been* here, and it's not going to go completely away. We've all got to deal with it.
Word! Unless designers are going to send me ink cartridges and quality print paper or pay for my Shutterfly, etc. books, then there's NO WAY that digital scrapping is cheaper for me.
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I find it misleading that so many use this argument without EVER acknowledging the high cost of printer ink cartridges. Scrap pages with darkly colored backgrounds seem to gulp down tons of printer ink. If you don't factor that cost in, then it's not a legitimate comparison.
I do a lot of hybrid and card-making, so I do speak from experience; however, maybe, it's just my printer, but it drinks ink like a sailor on shore leave.
what is up with this? How many times is she going to do this, get her hand smacked and continue to do more of the same?
http://tinyurl.com/m2kw7x
http://tinyurl.com/lauxxp
I could be wrong, but the TOU of that site says you can't sell them directly for profit.
You can't just turn anything into CU, this is the kind of crap (unless I'm wrong about these) that makes designers look bad. Not cool.
Re: CU
I guess we all just wish that it had it's own little marketplace. You know, like a store for DESIGNERS. It's taking over the shops. Stores used to sell items to create scrapbook pages. Now they're selling items to sell items.
what is up with this? How many times is she going to do this, get her hand smacked and continue to do more of the same?
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Did you bother to read the TOU. These can be used for Commercial Use in whole or in part. Why not read the Contact where you will find this out rather then think this designer is in the wrong. You are in the wrong for bringing this to everyone's attention when you don't have your facts right. And no I'm not this designer just ticked off that people like you try and hurt designers reputations when you don't even know what you are talking about.
Did you bother to read the TOU. These can be used for Commercial Use in whole or in part. Why not read the Contact where you will find this out rather then think this designer is in the wrong. You are in the wrong for bringing this to everyone's attention when you don't have your facts right. And no I'm not this designer just ticked off that people like you try and hurt designers reputations when you don't even know what you are talking about.
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I did read it. And I mentioned I did. He said you can use it for Commercial purposes (not everyone is wrapped around CU for digiscrapping) BUT it states it cannot be used to "sell directly for profit" Which is what she's doing.
"those hard nosed republicans turn me off. Lara, TXMusic, & a few others need to just run for president. Such snooty little know it all republicans."
ROFL how childish! What are you like 8? Thank god for conservatives.
Lowering DPI to print is one alternative, but depending on the project and the kind of paper used, the end results are dicey. Then, when I have to reprint, esp, more than once, I've used more ink and still may not have something worth giving.
My original point still stands. If ink costs aren't factored in, then don't shake your (the opposing view, I don't say this directed personally) finger in my face, telling me how much I've saved with digital vs paper.
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Perhaps that is a stupid idea but it sort of seems like common sense not to print cards and things at the highest quality possible and that alone should save on the cost of ink.
August 24, 2009 12:22 PM
http://www.inksaver.com/
download a free trial & see if it will work with your printer. I've never tried it with layouts but I had a ton of other stuff that needed printing & it saved a bunch of ink for me.
BTW, I went to a paper scrapping crop this summer & I told the girls that digital was not any cheaper than paper scrapping. I've spent a ton of money like everyone else on hardware, software, gadgets, paper & ink...who name it.
Please do not come in here with the attitude that you are all high and mighty and talk like you are all that as well. You are at the same smack blog we are. This is a digital trailer court and you seem to be the queen of it!
I have nothing to be insecure about. The way I talk does not at all show any type of insecurity. It shows you that you should shut the hell up plain and simple!
You keep bringing up how well you are doing in the digi world but yet you are spending all your time on here. Hoping that you bitching will stop all the CU Designers that create CU Items. To me that sounds like a insecurity that you have or feel you are going to lose your customers to others that create kits. Or heaven forbid CU Designers.
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I think you are confusing me with someone else. I don't design, never have and never will.
You are the one being all high and mighty if posted what I was replying to, which was this:
have a idea, for those that are bitching about cu shit. Simple thing to do would not to buy it. I do not know how you get much designing done when you are in here bitching back and forth about how good your sales are ect. People that brag like yourself usually have a insecurity problem. Trying to make yourself look better then what you really are. Really no one cares how much you make or what you use or do not use in your kits. Like the previous poster said. Stop bitching and go do something to make that all mighty buck. Just shut up about the CU shit already. People buy it people will continue to buy it, no matter what your lame ass opinion is on it. So shut the hell up and if you do not like the shit don't buy it.
It was actually really clear that I was replying to that. If you didn't write, what the hell are you talking about? If you did write it, then you were the one making judgments about insecurity.
Really no one cares how much you make or what you use or do not use in your kits. Like the previous poster said. Stop bitching and go do something to make that all mighty buck. Just shut up about the CU shit already. People buy it people will continue to buy it, no matter what your lame ass opinion is on it. So shut the hell up and if you do not like the shit don't buy it.
August 24, 2009 2:28 AM
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What a charmer!
Please do not come in here with the attitude that you are all high and mighty and talk like you are all that as well. You are at the same smack blog we are. This is a digital trailer court and you seem to be the queen of it!
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I can come here with any attitude I like, just like the rest of us. If you don't like, to quote you - shut the hell up and don't come.
Its quite feeble minded of any designer who has the skill and desire to NOT do what it takes to earn extra money wherever they can. If CU is where the money is at, then by all means...... jump on the bandwagon! Keep in mind that CU designs are not just for other digi scrap designers so your market expands instantly to include photographers, s4o's, bloggers and more.
August 24, 2009 12:07 PM
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Feeble minded to not want to see the industry fall on it's behind? I think not. I do not sell CU because I don't believe it is good for the industry, plain and simple.
The reason sales are so poor for so many people is because there are so few buyers because they have all become designers. Sure the recession has hit many, but it is not the reason the industry is collapsing into itself.
There might be plenty of money to be made designing CU NOW but eventually all those people spending all that money on CU product will realise they are spending more than they are making.
It is not cost productive to spend so much money on a kit that you have to sell hundreds and hundreds of that kit to make your money back, let alone to pay for the time you spent on it. Very few designers sell that many of any one kit.
Please do not come in here with the attitude that you are all high and mighty and talk like you are all that as well. You are at the same smack blog we are. This is a digital trailer court and you seem to be the queen of it!
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High and mighty for stating an opinion?? Get over yourself?? You sound way more defensive than anyone else here.
Have never heard of this designer until I saw your post. Where's she been getting her hand slapped on this issue?
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what is up with this? How many times is she going to do this, get her hand smacked and continue to do more of the same?
http://tinyurl.com/m2kw7x
http://tinyurl.com/lauxxp
athe greatest examples of bitchiness is this
http://www.misstiina.com/goshop/product.php?productid=16924&cat=376&page=1
copycat MISS Tiina
August 24, 2009 7:20 AM
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Please, tell me more about that. I already know Miss Tiina is a copycat but in this instance, I don't know what she copied and I'd like to know.
guess I'm outta the loop, but who is Tandika??
Not to bring up a dead pig, but umm.. how is it that someone can post they are having to live in their car - have a charity kit be sold for them and all... then the next month be updating their facebook with pics from DISNEYLAND?! WTF?! I will NEVER buy another thing from Divine again. I dont care WHO's it is. I'm done with the fake ass, charity shit too.
Not to bring up a dead pig, but umm.. how is it that someone can post they are having to live in their car - have a charity kit be sold for them and all... then the next month be updating their facebook with pics from DISNEYLAND?! WTF?! I will NEVER buy another thing from Divine again. I dont care WHO's it is. I'm done with the fake ass, charity shit too.
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You are a class-less idiot.
How is being pissed I bought a charity kit to help out someone who was supposedly "HOMELESS" and finding out instead they went to Disney, class-less?
So its ok to come here and bitch that too many people use CU product in their kit but its NOT ok to bitch when they sell a charity kit under false pretense and take the money and run off to Disney?
Gotcha. Ill have to try to remember to only bitch about the shit YOU care about. Because obviously CU product is a far better topic.
Where did you see her blog Disney pictures? I just looked and the last entry was in July.
Well now she has pictures of her new house that she just moved into. Also she posted the other day that she was going to be starting out at the beach drinking starbucks while sitting in the hot tub with her hubby and new neighbors. Nothing like going from rags to riches in a matter of days. Oh and when she was living in her car she was posting on FB from her black berry phone. Things that make you go hmmmmm
August 24, 2009 9:21 PM
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What is her blog address? I can only see kit adverts on the one I found.
I did read it. And I mentioned I did. He said you can use it for Commercial purposes (not everyone is wrapped around CU for digiscrapping) BUT it states it cannot be used to "sell directly for profit" Which is what she's doing.
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Yeah for profit on Stock Resource websites-meaning taking these and selling them as is on these kind of sites. Commercial Work in and of itself is selling something to the public.
Tandika threads:
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=97430&highlight=tandika
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=101887&highlight=tandika
Yeah, yeah, yeah.... whatever.
Have you ever stopped to think for a minute that MAYBE just maybe..... the REAL PROBLEM is that everyone is on a creative team or two or ten? I personally can't say I blame THEM because if I had the time I'd attempt to be on a few myself. I don't see any of the "good" designers complaining about not having enough people vying to be on their CT though.
Stop trying to find someone else to blame for your problems. People may talk the talk and walk the walk but there are VERY FEW designers who are actually making GOOD money on a regular basis and while the industry IS over-saturated with all kinds of designers, "they" are not to blame for the industry "collapsing into itself".
I need to make money just like every other chic on the block. However, in these troubling times I hope to GOD that most people, even the ones with money to spare, are simply in the same boat as I am and ARE JUST MAKING DO for the time being and not spending/wasting their hard earned dollars on DIGITAL FILES when we have absolutely no idea what tomorrow will bring (but I can guarantee no one will wake up one morning in 2010 with $10 extra to spend and NOT be able to find a digital scrapbook kit to purchase or grab as a freebie).
My reply may come across as a bit over dramatic but the blame game gets a little OLD.
In the end, when things level out, the determined and dedicated designers will be the ones who made it through but there will still be MANY more designers, of all skill levels, looking for a piece of the pie and a way into the market. They have EVERY RIGHT to do so just like you and I. Can you really blame someone for TRYING?
I wonder if so called professional cake decorators get mad at the company who produces shaped cake pans, which make it easy for other potential "professional" cake decorators to squeeze their way into the market?
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The reason sales are so poor for so many people is because there are so few buyers because they have all become designers. Sure the recession has hit many, but it is not the reason the industry is collapsing into itself.
I guess we all just wish that it had it's own little marketplace. You know, like a store for DESIGNERS. It's taking over the shops. Stores used to sell items to create scrapbook pages. Now they're selling items to sell items.
August 24, 2009 12:54 PM
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Where have you been? There are tons of stores just for designers. For instance: commercial-use.com
But you will never make the "regular" stores stop selling CU because it's the new trend and easy bucks for the store owners.
Here is the first Tandika Thread:
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=97429&highlight=tandika
What's up with Hummie's siggy?
"Apparently, DST is NEVER happy with what I put in my signature line - so I'm sorry you cannot find me. I'm hiding. Who cares where I'm at anyway? No one."
Tandika goes AWOL... and the stores go CU because no one can make their own dam things.
I meant "damn"
August 24, 2009 10:49 PM
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LOLOL!
In the end, when things level out, the determined and dedicated designers will be the ones who made it through but there will still be MANY more designers, of all skill levels, looking for a piece of the pie and a way into the market. They have EVERY RIGHT to do so just like you and I. Can you really blame someone for TRYING?
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I am not blaming anyone for trying. Oh and you forgot talented in your list of designes who will survive.
I have been designing for 5 years and plan on designing for many more. As I stated earlier I am just stating my opinion. My belief is the poor sales so many people are experiencing are because of the influx of new designers due to the prolific use of CU products.
I stated earlier each to their own, but I choose not to contribute to the problem. It was much easier to break into the market when I first started because there were less designers and most were on a pretty even keel. Now, designers who have been in the market for longer have had more time to hone their skills and new designers are expecting to make big bucks by buying other peoples work and reselling it. So many people have joined the market that there are now more sellers than buyers.
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Have you ever stopped to think for a minute that MAYBE just maybe..... the REAL PROBLEM is that everyone is on a creative team or two or ten? I personally can't say I blame THEM because if I had the time I'd attempt to be on a few myself. I don't see any of the "good" designers complaining about not having enough people vying to be on their CT though.
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I have never had problems finding CT members but I do believe the vast majority of designers have way too many.
Having said that, there are plenty of people out there who buy digiscrap kits who have no interest in being part of communities or CT'ing for someone. Perhaps all those CT contribute, but the market only really died when designers started using more and more CU products, more designers came onto the market, and yeah those designers probably have CT's as well.
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Stop trying to find someone else to blame for your problems. People may talk the talk and walk the walk but there are VERY FEW designers who are actually making GOOD money on a regular basis and while the industry IS over-saturated with all kinds of designers, "they" are not to blame for the industry "collapsing into itself".
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Oh really? I don't have any problems in the digiscrapping world. I am happy with things are going for me. I am not blaming ANYONE for MY problems.
I stated myself on this blog that there are very few designers that make a good income out of designing, you are preaching to the converted on that topic. There are very few who make any more than pocket money but there ARE some who make a decent income out of it.
The vast majority however make chump change.
Tandika goes AWOL... and the stores go CU because no one can make their own dam things.
August 24, 2009 10:49 PM
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He he, that pretty much sums it up!
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August 24, 2009 9:21 PM
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What is her blog address? I can only see kit adverts on the one I found.
August 24, 2009 10:08 PM
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Where did you see her blog Disney pictures? I just looked and the last entry was in July.
August 24, 2009 9:14 PM
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She didn't say blog, she said FaceBook.
Yeah for profit on Stock Resource websites-meaning taking these and selling them as is on these kind of sites.
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What's the difference in the end, really? Selling it as CU on a digi scrap site is the same thing as selling it as stock on a stock site.
She didn't say blog, she said FaceBook.
August 25, 2009 12:06 AM
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Oh darn, I can't go to facebook at work.
The reason sales are so poor for so many people is because there are so few buyers because they have all become designers. Sure the recession has hit many, but it is not the reason the industry is collapsing into itself.
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Actually the reason some sales are poor right now is because the Summer months are a down time for digital scrapbooking, people are doing things with their children or taking vacations. Now that the kids are getting back to school things will pick up-already seeing it. For others the economy has a lot to do with slower sales and why wouldn't it as people are losing their jobs and their homes and it's not just the hourly wage earners any longer.
For those who think everything revolves around DST it doesn't. There is a very big digiscrap world out there who isn't interested in getting involved. They buy their kits. They make their memories and they have no interest in what is being said on forums.
It really has nothing to do with the explosion of CU. I sell CU and the majority of my customers are scrappers not designers. So for all those tired of seeing all the CU, you may not want to buy it but there are plenty of others who do.
"Oh really? I don't have any problems in the digiscrapping world. I am happy with things are going for me. I am not blaming ANYONE for MY problems."
If things are going so well for you then why are you here blaming CU designers for the industry failing? If you're doing so great as it is, then WHY IN THE HELL are you even complaining?
Oh! I get it! Because you're a consignment store owner and are taking a chunk of ten to twenty designers' paychecks every month! THAT IS HOW YOUR DOING SO WELL!
Not that I'm jumping to conclusions or anything but come to think of it, your condescending attitude reminds me a lot of MAYA.
I can think of alot of designers who have been designing for 5 or 6 years who think they know everything there is to know.
If you ask me, the real problem is that you and many (although not all) of the other old timers feel threatened!!!
How dare these brand new designers be able to purchase a cheap CU set and then sell extracted elements without having to do hardly any work at all!!!! They are BETTER THAN ME!!!! It's just not fair!!! Boooofreakityhoo! I'll point my finger at the CU designers. It's all THEIR FAULT!
"Oh and you forgot talented in your list of designes who will survive."
LOL No, not really. Talent really has very little to do with it!
GET OVER YOURSELF, knock the chip off your shoulder and you will be a much happier person on the inside and out.
Amen Sista
thx for posting the thread about Tandika. Did she ever show back up somewhere, or was that the last anyone ever heard of her?
okay, I am beating the CU arguement all over again, but I am clueless in this arena...pen and paper ready, school me please:
boy 1 makes nifty shoe elements and gives away on his blog
girl 2 downloads FREE elements ant then colors them in and then packages as CU and SELLS them to public
Girl 3 also gets the FREE elements and decides to give them away
girl 2 has conniption that Girl 3 is pirate!
aaaaaaaaaaaaaagh...
how can you SELL something that was free because you found it first?
this is what totally trips me out in the digi world...
those tiny urls posted earlier are a prime example
my opinion!
Shame on girl 2 for taking a FREE CU and SELLING it...
please let me know why this is right???? thanks in advance from a pee on in the scrap world!
thx for posting the thread about Tandika. Did she ever show back up somewhere, or was that the last anyone ever heard of her?
August 25, 2009 11:54 AM
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Nope! Last time we heard of her. She might be around under a new name though but we don't know. IMO, she is smarter than Amanda Dykan who keeps coming back under her real name or using the same designs over and over again like she can still fool us ;)
August 25, 2009 12:13 PM
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Where did you see all that drama?
I remember everyone bashing Barb Speck on the blogs. She was sticking up for Tandika even after it was evident that she was stealing everyone's money, and paypal/CC companies were on her back.
Barb did stick up for her because she thought Tandika was her friend and would work everything out; however, Barb did post later that she had been let down like everyone else.
I understand wanting to support a friend & having faith in them to work things out. I was hoping that the lady would fix all the grievances that people had. I wasn't part of her club so I didn't lose anything.
Second topic:
I'm not a designer & I'm not buying as much as I did for the past two years. My ehd is full of kits that need to be used.
I was part of the whole Tandika mess. I felt sorry for her because she just couldn't handle being pirated. She went into melt down and made a poor choice on how she closed up shop. Unfortunately she is now remembered as a thief along the likes of Shane's Mommy, and Amanda Dykan, etc.
I came away realizing that we don't truly know anyone from the internet and we need to be careful of who we give our money to. Especially something like a club where you are paying for future services. There is really no guarantee that those services will ultimately be delivered. It is so very easy for someone to close down their internet site and just disappear.
I am not and never have been on a CT and I am not a designer. I am a scrapbooker and a customer.
I am not buying anything much for the following reasons:
1. I have a huge stash of kits I've never used
2. I have been given gift certificates from designers and frankly didn't use them because nothing in their store grabbed my attention
3. I am finding I am creating more simple layouts featuring photos, journaling, card stock, and minimal elements.
So there are probably many others who have different reasons for their reduced spending.
I don't think digi scrapping is a dying industry. I think being a digi scrapping designer is where the problem is. I agree that many scrappers are becoming designers and they don't have a clue of what they are doing. Being a designer takes business skill and is far more than creating kits.
I have felt that designers would reach a lull once anyone with photoshop realized how easy it is to make things themselves. And yes, I think the CU products have helped scrappers realize they can make certain things themselves.
But I think there will always be a market because some people don't want to take the time to make it themselves or will buy from someone who has a creative style that they like. I think that designers who are original and actually create their own products have a definite place in the digi scrapping industry. I think some designers who buy CU will make it because they are using the CU item as a tool not as an element. The designers who are producing crap will come and go.
I don't think a great designer has any reason to fear the crappy designers that are showing up all over the place. They are designing for different audiences. It is no different than in art. There are those that will buy masterpieces, and there are those that will buy prints of masterpieces, then there are those that will buy junk.
I think most industries have the same problems. But those who have good quality will out stay the rest.
Unfortunately she is now remembered as a thief along the likes of Shane's Mommy, and Amanda Dykan, etc.
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Well, she was a thief. She only reluctantly opened up her site again, because everyone was trying to get their money back through PayPal etc; and then only with minimum content.
I do think it's a bit sad though that no one remembers her good contribution to the digi scrap community, only the bad. Maybe that's what you were trying to say.
6:27 that's pretty much my list, too. I'm not even getting any freebies b/c there really isn't anything out there lately that I don't already have something similar/that works just as well for the purpose
I just downloaded Shabby Princes Happy Go Lucky free kit. She is one designer who knows how to name her files.
flower-blue
flower-red
instead of:
blue-flower
red-flower
everything is together and it made tagging the elements a piece of cake.
Designers take note!
Actually the reason some sales are poor right now is because the Summer months are a down time for digital scrapbooking, people are doing things with their children or taking vacations. Now that the kids are getting back to school things will pick up-already seeing it. For others the economy has a lot to do with slower sales and why wouldn't it as people are losing their jobs and their homes and it's not just the hourly wage earners any longer.
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Sales are down in the summer months every year, but they have been down overall a lot longer than that.
GET OVER YOURSELF, knock the chip off your shoulder and you will be a much happier person on the inside and out.
August 25, 2009 7:46 AM
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ROFL, yeah whatever. Another person sounding very defensive. Maybe my reasoning makes sense huh?
You obviously missed the bit where I said I was perfectly happy??
I don't think a great designer has any reason to fear the crappy designers that are showing up all over the place. They are designing for different audiences. It is no different than in art. There are those that will buy masterpieces, and there are those that will buy prints of masterpieces, then there are those that will buy junk.
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Yay, someone who makes sense...
Yay, someone who makes sense...
August 26, 2009 12:15 AM
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There are a lot of people here who make sense, and only a few who don't. This person just happens to have the same view as you and me, as it happens.
wich people buy Stuff from MIss Tiina bad quality pixels blurry and not made by her
As far as DST goes, there is nothing new. The coupons are worthless and all for shops I don't buy from (or have ever heard of). The DST header is crap, too. Was that supposed to be the redesign? The Happy Place is full of same-o, same-o I don't need or want. Let somebody else who is new win it.
Then there are the inspirations, but they aren't too inspirational. My last speed scrap they didn't send me the bonus. Before that I won something at We Are Storyteller (also didn't receive it).
Why buy anything new? There *is* nothing new; it's the same stuff as it was this past spring. I can just recycle the many kits I have.
Well, I think that DST is not a place I would call a scrapping home. Maybe it started out that way but it is now pretty much a haven for designers, CT's and people "trying" to win stuff.
It is a great place to see new designs, be enabled, pimp product, etc. I just don't like it for hanging out.
I hate DST. Lame excuses. Lame design. Lame monthly newsletter filled with designers' coupons that I never use. Uninspiring layouts and challenges. It's filled with so much crap that it's hard to weed through to get to the good stuff. I use the product gallery when I feel like looking for something "new" and even then the IS nothing new. Nothing that catches my eye.
I hang out at the store that I have most of my CTs and I do check MSA more than DST.
I don't buy anything anymore due to nothing catching my eye. Plus my funds are nada.
To August 26, 2009 4:28 PM
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Sounds like you're really bored and need to find another hobby.
wich people buy Stuff from MIss Tiina bad quality pixels blurry and not made by her
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that's a big accusation and it's completely false. guess it's a good thing she has the originals of just about everything she's ever made. show proof or shut it.
btw-nothing i've ever bought from her has been bad quality or blurry.
look at her big cu set nothing is made by her, you will find the most in real shops
i agree
and her vectors are from kidscloth and stickers
guess it's a good thing she has the originals of just about everything she's ever made. show proof or shut it.
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And you know this how?
I only ever downloaded one thing from her, a really blurry and badly extracted freebie item, so I also have to agree.
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And you know this how?
I only ever downloaded one thing from her, a really blurry and badly extracted freebie item, so I also have to agree.
i also agree, and bad drawn doodles
downloading stuff off the internet printing it out and copying it and rescanning it into your computer is not proof.
good point about miss tiina that is what she do since she made so much cu Stuff
DST is DST. I never understood why with so many of these "popular" scrappers that commenting on every single person on that CT that that makes you popular or good? Also, many foreign scrappers comment on other foreign scrappers layouts. It really doesn't help unless they buy the product.
I also do not get why people play the Praise Game multiple times in one day. To just get comments on a layout. Please.
I think DST could be better if there was any kind of interest by Shannon. I understand she has a life, but there is no reason why there can't be more scrapping contests, speed scraps or even a better newsletter. I'd love to merge DST, MSA and Gallery Standouts.
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In all honesty, I think Shannon has lost interest in DST, like so many of us. Since starting DST, her priorities have changed, as have many of ours.
I do think that MSA and DST should just get back together. Not a fan of Gallery Standouts, I don't see it as much different from the GSO thread at DST, same old same old.
In all honesty, I think Shannon has lost interest in DST, like so many of us. Since starting DST, her priorities have changed, as have many of ours.
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If she has lost interest, that's fine. BUT IMO she ought to sell it, pass the reigns, or SOMETHING instead of just cheesing out while also trying to milk it.
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Agreed wholeheartedly.
If she has lost interest, that's fine. BUT IMO she ought to sell it, pass the reigns, or SOMETHING instead of just cheesing out while also trying to milk it.
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ITA! So many empty promises and every little thing she wants to get $$ from. I know it's a business, but you have to deliver something as well. Milking is the perfect word for it.
I'm so sick of looking at the ugly colors there too.
What ever happened to the redesign?
Shannon has said time and time again that the redesign is in the works and hasn't happened yet for two reasons.
1. The person doing the redesign is running late
2. Shannon is too busy right now to discuss the redesign.
I know y'all dislike DST, but you should read there every now and again, just to keep up to date.
I think Tangie is crossing to many copyrights. Her latest kit uses the Batman logo.
http://scraporchard.com/market/product.php?productid=18727
I know the aurebesh in her Star Wars kit is copyrighted. Lucasfilm does not take to copyright infringement lightly.
That's what pisses me off the most. These ladies using these types of images (remember Flergs with her wall-e type of kit?) think it's just A-OKAY to do such a thing yet they'll be the first to scream bloody murder if someone uses their shit.
Something tells me they never asked permission or bought licensing of the Batman logo.
DC
http://www.dccomics.com/dccomics/about/dcc_randp.pdf
okay,laugh and giggle, but he is a good man...a great husband and awesome dad, my husband is a super hero freak! Spidey being his fav...lol but Tangie's bat signal is a signal, but it is not the signal that batman uses...it is closest to the 2nd change in the late 60's. But it isn't DC's batman signal.
***disclaimer, I don't know Tangie, but I have on occasion worked with her designs and like them***
I just wonder what she would say if I took her kit idea but slightly altered it enough to see that it is actually altered but also keeping it blatantly obvious that it was created from her design? That's all she's done with the batman stuff but I bet she'd be none to happy if I did such a thing.
I think Tangie is crossing to many copyrights. Her latest kit uses the Batman logo.
http://scraporchard.com/market/product.php?productid=18727
I know the aurebesh in her Star Wars kit is copyrighted. Lucasfilm does not take to copyright infringement lightly.
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I don't think they care over there. How many designers have been caught in the copyright crap? Tea Party ring a bell? Then there was another yanked shortly after that.
Then there is how many haven't been slapped yet? Look at the Twilight and Wall E copyright infringement there too.
It's at SO too? I saw it at SBG.
I just wonder what she would say if I took her kit idea but slightly altered it enough to see that it is actually altered but also keeping it blatantly obvious that it was created from her design? That's all she's done with the batman stuff but I bet she'd be none to happy if I did such a thing.
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give it a whirl, better yet, email her and ask her!
what a different approach? actually emailing the designer with your concerns in an adult fashion:
here let me help you
Dear Tangie,
I just saw your new kit, and was a bit flummoxed that it includes things I thought would be a copyright infringement. I saw some post about it on the snarky blog about DST and digiscrap(yeah I read it), and how it is not the actual batman logo.
That got my thoughts whirling, if that was your intentions?
I await your response, for if it is your intention, just to change it enough to keep from getting DC comics upset, do you mind if I take _______insert kit name of your choice)________ and "blatantly change" it and sell it!?
Thanks for your time, enjoy the giggles cause from this letter.
yours,
concerned about digi's future person
I think my humor is lost on people sometimes.
Riiight. Go back under whatever ass you've crawled out of. I was giving an example of the serious hypocrisy that goes on amongst designers. Just giving my -.02 cents on the whole copyright subject how sad it truly is. Glad it's all good with you.
ladies before you accuse people of copyright infringement, you really should check with the designer first and give them a chance to respond. I know for fact that Flerg's Wall-E inspired kit has all of the necessary permissions required in order to use some of the items in the kit. I don't know anything about Tangie's kit, but for all you know she may have contacted someone and got the ok before using. If you are concerned you really should contact the designer, and not just bash them without any backup on an anonymous blog.
Yeah right. Lucasfilm did not give Tangie the right to use the aurebesh lol. Now, that is laughable.
Oh wait, she probably picked it up on a cu site or deviant art and has permission from "that" artist to use it.
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ladies before you accuse people of copyright infringement, you really should check with the designer first and give them a chance to respond. I know for fact that Flerg's Wall-E inspired kit has all of the necessary permissions required in order to use some of the items in the kit. I don't know anything about Tangie's kit, but for all you know she may have contacted someone and got the ok before using. If you are concerned you really should contact the designer, and not just bash them without any backup on an anonymous blog.
August 28, 2009 9:51 AM
Like I noted in my post, I do not have any information on Tangie's kit. So maybe your problem is that you do not read before you comment.
Your sense of humor may be wasted on some, but your spin doctor skills are top notch. Can I hire you to write a letter to my MIL tellling her not to come visit next month?!
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Dear Tangie,
I just saw your new kit, and was a bit ...
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concerned about digi's future person
I think my humor is lost on people sometimes.
August 28, 2009 8:47 AM
dearest mil,
the desire and hopes to have you next month have been dashed. I hope you understand that we will have to reschedule for far in the future, your total grasp of my emotions and the tumultuous times that may extend datethis to go even more into the times to come.
Please know I understand completely that you can't come and will send pictures as soon as I am able!
Your dear daughter in law who is loving your son to the utmost!
bah ha ha...
I think I sent this one to my MIL! uhm, twice! ha ha ha
excuse this brief interruption, please continue your smack! lol
Shannon has said time and time again that the redesign is in the works and hasn't happened yet for two reasons.
1. The person doing the redesign is running late
2. Shannon is too busy right now to discuss the redesign.
I know y'all dislike DST, but you should read there every now and again, just to keep up to date.
August 28, 2009 12:38 AM
^^^^^^^
1. It's puzzling that Shannon would continue to work with someone who's incapable of finishing a fairly simple job/ keeps breaking deadlines.
2. A business owner who is "too busy" to discuss or attend to her business? Not such a great idea--for business.
Much thanks!
Esp like the part about "loving him to the utmost."
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dearest mil,
the desire and hopes to have you next month have been dashed. I hope you understand that we will have to reschedule for far in the future, your total grasp of my emotions and the tumultuous times that may extend datethis to go even more into the times to come.
Please know I understand completely that you can't come and will send pictures as soon as I am able!
Your dear daughter in law who is loving your son to the utmost!
bah ha ha...
I think I sent this one to my MIL! uhm, twice! ha ha ha
excuse this brief interruption, please continue your smack! lol
August 28, 2009 4:20 PM
I got tired of DST when every organization question was answered with ADSee is the answer for every for everything......
What was the one thing that pushed you over the edge......
pushed over the edge...
okay, when CT calls for designers with total of 2 horrible kits...just bad recolors of freebie CUs. then they have a welcome my cT thread, and then they give the kit away in the happy land and Tragdy Ann and 8 others post 3 are on the CT, then the designer gives all 9 the kit and all 9 put a thank you in to above mentioned bad designer.
It makes me loopy!
ladies before you accuse people of copyright infringement, you really should check with the designer first and give them a chance to respond. I know for fact that Flerg's Wall-E inspired kit has all of the necessary permissions required in order to use some of the items in the kit. I don't know anything about Tangie's kit, but for all you know she may have contacted someone and got the ok before using. If you are concerned you really should contact the designer, and not just bash them without any backup on an anonymous blog.
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I don't really buy their stuff, but those permissions should be in the TOU's. Has anyone bought these kits and are the permissions there? Tangie and Molly DeCrow's stuff is very similar to the Batman logo. Took a look at Flergs Wall-E inspired kit most of it looks ok, but the B & L is pretty borderline. Disney/Pixar signed off on that? Hmmmm.
I know that Microferk has mentioned in DST threads that she has actually contacted the film/production studios for her Harry Potter kit. There are very specific parameters as to what could be used.
I don't really care if they have permissions or not. If they put it up for sale and I really like it, I'll buy it...from designers I know make quality stuff. If they weren't supposed to do that and get in trouble...well, they'll be on their own. But sometimes you just really want something that screams "Batman" or "Mickey Mouse" and DC/Marvel/Disney/etc aren't putting out digi kits to my knowledge.
When are all the self-proclaimed copyright police going to learn that no one cares?
The problem is people care but they are hypocritical in what they care about.
Steal something from a "popular" designer, change it a little and try selling it somewhere and see what happens. Look what happened to Theres K when she extracted a photo she took of a phyiscal item she purchased. What a fucking joke that was....that was such a mildly questionable thing she did but it wasn't tolerated AT ALL. But if you're some "popular" designer, why not use trademarked images from large corporations? Gawd, don't you know that's perfectly acceptable?
If Flergs had permission to use her images through the proper chanels at Disney/Pixar, I'd like to know who she's sleeping with because I spent weeks trying to figure out who to call or email about using something I had created but was altered, much like these girls are doing. I did try the legal department, with nothing but a "our images are copyrighted, blah, blah, blah, please refer to our TOU page on our website, yada, yada, yada" generic response. From what I read and was told, you have to jump through some serious hoops to maybe get the chance to use Disney's images commercially. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, I guess if she did it, anyone can, so there must be someone somewhere to talk to.
pushed over the edge...
okay, when CT calls for designers with total of 2 horrible kits...just bad recolors of freebie CUs. then they have a welcome my cT thread, and then they give the kit away in the happy land and Tragdy Ann and 8 others post 3 are on the CT, then the designer gives all 9 the kit and all 9 put a thank you in to above mentioned bad designer.
It makes me loopy!
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What? lol..that made ME loopy.
Who says the kits are horrible, you? Are you the head of the horrible kit committee or something?
Designers cry "I've been pirated" yet have no problem taking stuff from major studios and/or publishing firms. F'ing double standard. Shut your trap and taking the pirating. They don't like pirates not spending money on their stuff yet take licensed images to use.
I've noticed a couple of trends on this here blog lately:
1) Seems like most on here claim to spend almost no money or in a lot of cases no money in any store. Therefore, you are not a customer and I personally don't see your opinion towards what is out there as especially valid.
2) Seems to be a lot of justification of designer XYZ is using licensed images or CT so-and-so is using stock photos, therefore in your weird reality this equates to piracy of kits is okay. Two wrongs don't make a right comes to mind.
I could be misreading the posts here, but just the way I see it...
Flame away, not that I care what any of you think. You've shown me who and what you are, so now I can safely ignore this blog.
Every corporation will have their own legal channels to go through in order to use their images legally in your own products. Some require an application fee (2 years ago, Nascar required a $500 non-refundable fee I don't know if that's changed today, plus you if you want to use any of the team cars, you have to contact each sponser of that team) and some are free (You can submit a business proposal to Disney without cost, as well as some college football teams, last I knew) but all require a process that you have to go through in order to even be considered. I've been researching how to do this for over 2 years now and while I have a business degree, I lack the actual years required of designing and running my own business to sell licensed materials. Most will not consider me a candidate yet. I've been turned down by 3 different companies and some I never even got a response.
I find it extremely hard to believe (although I'm not saying it's impossible) that these girls just so easily got permission to do what they are doing when I've been resarching and writing proposals and even losing money on application fees with absolutely no positive response at all. I don't have a large company, I'm basically just a lady with Photoshop, a decent computer and a bit of design talent. That just isn't going to fly. I haven't and won't give up yet but at least when I do start selling licensed digiscrap kits, I'll be doing it completely 100% legally.
Maybe some of these ladies have access to people that I don't. I doubt it.
Oh, and I wanted to add that EVERY, SINGLE company that I reasearched and applied to WILL require royalties to be paid on all sales and most will want a projected financial sheet of what you expect your sales to be. I can't remember what company it was now, I think it may have been Nascar, required an up-front payment of 25 percent as royalty fees of projected sales for the following year. I think it was also Nascar that wouldn't even consider you unless your projected sales were going to be higher than $10,000 a year or more. Don't quote me on that because I don't remember off the top of my head.
Who says the kits are horrible, you? Are you the head of the horrible kit committee or something?
Actually, I am indeed the head of the horrible kit committee! I was elected last year, right after the big fiasco about bananas being ripened in a paper bag versus hanged from a hook. You might not remember that, cause it didn't happened...but I specifically remember appointing myself the dictatorship of horrible kits!
I appreciate you bringing it up so I can remind my friends and family of my rightful title!
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Hmmm, more than one reason, but one of the main incidents that turned me off was when Jenn Wilson's momma came online and tsked tsked anyone who dared to complain that her sweet baby girl's work was sub par and that they'd spent good money printing calendars as gifts that turned out awful.
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I got tired of DST when every organization question was answered with ADSee is the answer for every for everything......
What was the one thing that pushed you over the edge......
August 28, 2009 9:53 PM
Flame away, not that I care what any of you think. You've shown me who and what you are, so now I can safely ignore this blog.
August 29, 2009 11:10 AM
If you really didn't care and/or were ignoring this blog, you never would have posted.
I must have missed the Jen Wilson's mommy thing. Did she post at DST?
Nothing worse than an adult having their mommy or daddy try to fight their battles for them. It's the quickest way to prove you can't handle anything.
What was the one thing that pushed you over the edge......
August 28, 2009 9:53 PM
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When the Happy Place become an advertising venture. I wasn't aware that RAK meant Rampantly Advertising Kits.
What Jen Wilson mommy thing? Totally missed that one.
DST sure isn't the same. What's with the crazies in the Hot Topic area over there? "*the glaring bigotry and ignorance that's spewed all over the hot topics forum (Lara, txmusicmom, DebCozzi, tammy1999 come immediately to mind)". Do not get these ladies. That area just needs to go. I don't think I could buy stuff from a designer that spews utter crap.
there are some real sick tickets in the hot topics forum for sure. Not sure why Shannon has let that crap go on.
I must have missed the Jen Wilson's mommy thing. Did she post at DST?
Nothing worse than an adult having their mommy or daddy try to fight their battles for them. It's the quickest way to prove you can't handle anything.
August 29, 2009 6:35 PM
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Yep, this happened at DST. It was beyond pathetic.
Here's the thread:
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=19752
Mommy's reply is here:
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showpost.php?p=218683&postcount=122
A classic example that if you say something negative about a (then) popular designer, you get smacked but if you say something positive, everyone's your best friend.
I really miss some of the people that used to post at DST.
I got really fed up with the hot topics after the US Presidential election. Obama was elected our president and as far as I am concerned people should accept the results and let him get on with business. Once the election was over he was my President and deserves respect. It irritates me when people continue to whine when their candidate doesn't get chosen.
I see DST as a scrapbooking venue. There are other venues for discussing political/religious opinions.
That Jen Wilson thing was just whacked! So very pathetic that her mother came into the fray.
Only in digi scrapping will you find "business" people so unable to understand that business feedback and/or criticism is not a personal attack.
crazy
the glaring bigotry and ignorance that's spewed all over the hot topics forum (Lara, txmusicmom, DebCozzi, tammy1999 come immediately to mind)
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ITA
Look what happened to Theres K when she extracted a photo she took of a phyiscal item she purchased. What a fucking joke that was....that was such a mildly questionable thing she did but it wasn't tolerated AT ALL. But if you're some "popular" designer, why not use trademarked images from large corporations? Gawd, don't you know that's perfectly acceptable?
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Get your facts right. She did not buy anything from etsy. She took the photos of the product from the etsy site, extracted them and sold them.
DST-bumping up every thread for the Wizard of Oz kit. Wouldn't one thread have been sufficient?
There were a couple more like this lately
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Get your facts right. She did not buy anything from etsy. She took the photos of the product from the etsy site, extracted them and sold them
i say all the scaned pictures thats not true write here she can show them to you
juno
I know for a fact that Flergs never had ANY permissions whatsoever. I contacted the company myself out of my own curiosity and after 3 days of being transfered around, being put on hold and/or being told I would get a call back I finally got a woman named Stephanie Galluchio from the legal Dept on the phone. I was told that there are no current permissions on the Wall-E characters with regard to any scrapbooking/craft projects. She suggested having the artist/designer contact them to claify their terms of use as this could result in a serious violation. She also mentioned that they do investigate these things and prosecute but being that I did not want to get involved and exposed I left it at that in hopes that someone else would be more willing to open that can of worms. As a designer it does not make me jealous of her, just upset that I play by all the rules and bust my butt only to see other so-called designers openly steal and not have to answer to a soul. But what can you do, right? At some point they will cross the line and be caught. Let them have to deal with it then. To be honest I think Flergs and a few others who have done similar things look completely foolish thinking the got away with stealing. Complete idiots.
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Every corporation will have their own legal channels to go through in order to use their images legally in your own products. Some require an application fee (2 years ago, Nascar required a $500 non-refundable fee I don't know if that's changed today, plus you if you want to use any of the team cars, you have to contact each sponser of that team) and some are free (You can submit a business proposal to Disney without cost, as well as some college football teams, last I knew) but all require a process that you have to go through in order to even be considered. I've been researching how to do this for over 2 years now and while I have a business degree, I lack the actual years required of designing and running my own business to sell licensed materials. Most will not consider me a candidate yet. I've been turned down by 3 different companies and some I never even got a response.
I find it extremely hard to believe (although I'm not saying it's impossible) that these girls just so easily got permission to do what they are doing when I've been resarching and writing proposals and even losing money on application fees with absolutely no positive response at all. I don't have a large company, I'm basically just a lady with Photoshop, a decent computer and a bit of design talent. That just isn't going to fly. I haven't and won't give up yet but at least when I do start selling licensed digiscrap kits, I'll be doing it completely 100% legally.
Maybe some of these ladies have access to people that I don't. I doubt it.
She also mentioned that they do investigate these things and prosecute but being that I did not want to get involved and exposed I left it at that in hopes that someone else would be more willing to open that can of worms. As a designer it does not make me jealous of her, just upset that I play by all the rules and bust my butt only to see other so-called designers openly steal and not have to answer to a soul. But what can you do, right? At some point they will cross the line and be caught. Let them have to deal with it then. To be honest I think Flergs and a few others who have done similar things look completely foolish thinking the got away with stealing. Complete idiots.
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She did get away with it. What can you do? You could have done something but by your own admission, were too cowardly to do so, hoping that someone else would. That's the whole trouble with all this bitching and screaming, you want something done but so few of you are willing to do it. If you aren't going to stop it when you can, keep quiet. You had your chance to do something and you didn't take it, so quit your whining.
Get your facts right. She did not buy anything from etsy. She took the photos of the product from the etsy site, extracted them and sold them.
August 29, 2009 9:56 PM
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Get your facts straight. She did buy the product from Etsy, photographed them and then sent them on to be extracted. Here's the original thread:
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showpost.php?p=1923014&postcount=1
Well someone is really bored that they have to bring up issues like the Jen Wilson threads that were what back in November of 2006!!!
and as far as Designers saying they have permission from companies to use their themes or whatever I kind of tend to believe the Designers considering what will happen if they truly don't have those permissions.
You don't know where they went for the permissions or who they talked to but you could always ask them to show you the permission email or letter because I would be very surprised they don't have something to show if ever put on the spot. Not only would Flergs have a lot to lose but so would the reputation of the store and store owner and every designer at that store.
So before you spout off again trying to show something that may not be true why don't you contact Flergs directly and ask-ohhhhh you don't want to do that because you already know it's total BS that you are smaking.
I'm finding it hard to believe they don't know that ASS is not an ok word. http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=208064 But since it's a slang in America...
I'm wondering if they're using it for shock value since I've seen some designers doing that lately - and it's really unimpressive.
Who wants a blinkie that says "I'm an ASS"? LOL
Someone send her an email and then show us what (if anything) she sends you in return.
I'm curious but not curious enough to mail her myself. Her style is not mine at all and until she'd been mentioned here, I didn't even know who she was but I'd be interested to know if she really does have permission.
That's the whole trouble with all this bitching and screaming, you want something done but so few of you are willing to do it. If you aren't going to stop it when you can, keep quiet. You had your chance to do something and you didn't take it, so quit your whining.
August 30, 2009 1:26 AM
Word!
Thank you Stepford Scrapper.
It's people like you who gave rise to the need for a blog like this in the first place.
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Well someone is really bored that they have to bring up issues like the Jen Wilson threads that were what back in November of 2006!!!
...it's total BS that you are smaking.
August 30, 2009 8:34 AM
there are some real sick tickets in the hot topics forum for sure.
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The conservatives (could be rush limbaugh or glenn beck or anyone) could say that Obama thinks the sky is purple and they'd believe it.
Amen, sister!
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Thank you Stepford Scrapper.
It's people like you who gave rise to the need for a blog like this in the first place.
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Jen Wilson, so nothing has really changed since 2006. She still puts some stuff out sometimes and when she doesn't want to be around her site conveniently goes down. I love her stuff, but the here and there is frustrating. I think people would respect her more if she just said, "I will only be designing sporadically."
I'm finding it hard to believe they don't know that ASS is not an ok word.
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LOL Stick it up your donkey.
So true. Her consistency hasn't changed a bit since 2006, and the DST thread is still very relevant.
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Jen Wilson, so nothing has really changed since 2006. She still puts some stuff out sometimes and when she doesn't want to be around her site conveniently goes down. I love her stuff, but the here and there is frustrating. I think people would respect her more if she just said, "I will only be designing sporadically."
August 30, 2009 11:52 AM
I'm finding it hard to believe they don't know that ASS is not an ok word.
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In their defense the ad did say they were a German shop BUT if you are going to post in English and attract talent from all parts of the world at least get an English dictionary or GOOGLE!
I'm finding it hard to believe they don't know that ASS is not an ok word.
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Good grief she's using the initials of her Shop. They just happen to spell ASS. I guess if ASS is good enough to have in the bible then why are you so offended by that word. As it happens my daughter had the initals ASS it just sort of worked out that way.
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