I saw the infamous "sexy" layout. Unfortunately I didn't have the sense to save it off for future discussion. My first thought was I hope that is a stock photo, because having a third party capture that image might be more awkward than posting it in a scrapbook gallery. Second, the title didn't work for me, it was something like "every life is precious". I think a more appropriate title may have been "Do me now".
Did you all rush out to buy the kit to scrap your last sexcapade? Any recommendations for kits appropriate for scrapping your after hours adventures. Does anybody really scrap that?
Carry on with whatever is going on...CU sharing, DST banning, digital art vs. digital scrapbooking, Christina Renee's grand re-opening, GSO thread abuse....
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1 – 200 of 1445 Newer› Newest»Woo-hoo I'm first!!! So who do ya'll think there gonna choose for as new designers for Shabby Pickle? I'm curious as to if they are wanting to introduce fresh, new designers, Or just the same old store switching crap???
God if we don't need some new faces at these more popular sites...a lot of the SP designers seem to be running out of steam! Quite a lot of the kits look too much a like. Give us something new!!!
Question for designers:
How many digi kits do you need to sell before *you* consider that kit successful, & you are happy with??? (I'm referring to one individual kit release). 20 kits? 100? 1000?
I imagine this will vary amongst designers depending upon how long they've been designing for, & other factors, etc..
JUst thought this would be an interesting topic to discuss.
PS. I'm not referring to your individual satisfaction from designing a kit, because you don't need to sell any to be satisfied with your own design
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damn! i'd be happy to sell even 20 of one kit :P 100, i'd be amazed. that being said, i'm still new...
I had boudoir photos taken a few years back & they are in a small album which only dh has seen. If I ever have any made again I'm taking Captain Morgan with me! Dang that was stressful!
It's hard to say what I'd consider successful, but something in the 100-200 range I think would be pretty good. Usually end up more in the 50-100 category, though.
Not sure what 'normal' would be across the board, but I'd guess it varies quite a bit. I tried to do some research on this once and looking at the number of unique visitors on some of the bigger sites, it seems as though those sites get usually between 5000-15000 unique a month or so. Assuming something like 50% buy something, that'd mean probably about 3000-5000 purchases a month across a store of maybe 10-20 designers. Assuming even distribution, maybe 250-300 purchases per designer, most likely across 2-4 kits, or per kit sales of 60-80ish being pretty average. So, not necessarily accurate and definitely a guessing game on my part, but I think 100 would be pretty good for most while 1000 would be pretty awesome, but I doubt many (if any) are at that volume (with the possible exception of Shabby Princess).
My 2 cents...
bout damn time
Talk to me about the LO that got removed from DST and MSA, who was the designer and who was the scrapper? I missed the excitement, too busy in the last few days to even log on.
I don't remember her name but she was from Poland. I think the designer was Mystica or something like that.
Yes, and as she was seated on her knees and I fail to see how they could be been having intercourse. That is in response to a poster from the previous thread.
For the poster who finds a man "grabbing" a women's ass in a passionate embrace to be something a child shouldn't see, I can't wrap my mind around that mentality. Perhaps I am more European and less Puritanical than most, but there was nothing porno about that photo. In fact, I find the designer ads for lingerie - and those ads for Abercrombie to be more salacious than this photo of an intimate embrace between a man and a woman.
Does your child watch TV? Do you shut it off when the Carl's JR. ads of late come on? When that young woman is seen coveting a hamburger - the crack of her ass clearly seen, the sides of her suit bottoms nearly revealing her genitals. The camera pausing too long on her suit bottom - just long enough to seduce.
Do you protect your child from the crap like this? Or just from actual loving images of a man and a woman together?
You see more ass at the beach and more of the female body at the beach. The issue is more likely that you as an adult add in your own history and baggage when you see that photo than anything a child could add to it.
If this is the image that so many thought was disgusting, I feel sorry for them. This is not disgusting:
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6176/goldiq.jpg
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NO....that is much more modest...the one everyone is talking about was a stock photo of a girl getting her ass grabbed obviously in a sexual nature...this is tame and not in the same category although I don't care for this one either...just a style difference though.
Do you protect your child from the crap like this? Or just from actual loving images of a man and a woman together?
You see more ass at the beach and more of the female body at the beach. The issue is more likely that you as an adult add in your own history and baggage when you see that photo than anything a child could add to it.
What complete and utter bullshit. YES, I do protect my children from images like those, and we most definitely do NOT "see more ass at the beach." Not even close.
For you to assume and imply that anyone has "history and baggage" that gives them a warped view is such absolute nonsense I can't even believe anyone would say something so ridiculous! Obviously you feel that YOUR viewpoint is vastly superior to anyone else's, including those who have moral standards different (higher) than your own, but guess what? We are entitled to our opinions as well, without being told we have "baggage" or whatever silly thing you want to call it. Complete and utter bullshit.
The picture clearly showed sexual behavior inappropriate for a "family-friendly" gallery, and should have remained on the person's personal computer, or in a private gallery and not in a public one. I am happy to see those gallery moderators felt the same. Apparently you do not set the standards. ;)
Sexy picture? Yes.
Extreme? Yes.
Pornographic? No. The woman's legs are completely closed and folded!
Inappropriate for the gallery? No.
Please stop whining. You all act like someone molested you.
What complete and utter bullshit. YES, I do protect my children from images like those, and we most definitely do NOT "see more ass at the beach." Not even close.
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I agree that the post this refers to was bullshit. Was it pornographic? Not really but it was NOT family gallery appropriate and to act as though someone is frigid for thinking that is ridiculous and inflammatory.
To the ^^^^^^^^ it is just crazy that you think anyone here is acting like they were molested...give me a break...what a dumb ass thing to say!
are the designers over at 2peas making any $? I wonder if they're happy.
Personally, I just thought it was a LO that made no sense. I wasn't offended by it, but I didn't see the point of it either.
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totally agree with your post. My thoughts exactly.
Personally, I just thought it was a LO that made no sense. I wasn't offended by it, but I didn't see the point of it either.
I agree. I think the point of it was probably for attention. She got it too! LOL!! What better advertisement for her designer's product than by having it linked here! ;)
What better advertisement for her designer's product than by having it linked here! ;)
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Not really. As no one even remembers who created the page, or the designer's name that made the kit.
Does your child watch TV? Do you shut it off when the Carl's JR. ads of late come on? When that young woman is seen coveting a hamburger - the crack of her ass clearly seen, the sides of her suit bottoms nearly revealing her genitals. The camera pausing too long on her suit bottom - just long enough to seduce.
Do you protect your child from the crap like this? Or just from actual loving images of a man and a woman together?
You see more ass at the beach and more of the female body at the beach.
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YES I do turn off the tv when that commercial comes on. IN FACT I don't allow my children to watch programming that would have that type of commercial. And if I see it being run on a g-rated movie or show (or any other inappropriate commercial!) I email the networks and complain. I'm sick of this world targeting my children with sexual images to continue to make them numb like you are towards something that is supposed to be beautiful and private.
And the beach comment, well the pool I go to has a dress code. They ask people to leave if what they are wearing doesn't cover up all the parts. Bikini's are allowed, just no strings that show butt cheeks.
I saw that image. I think it should have been removed from the galleries. Although not pornographic it was innapriopriate for a general audience. It isn't just children but also adults who doen't really want to see people's butt hanging out!
The page was created by Ptylarka from Poland she uses stckpohots a lot. Mystica Designs and Joelle Designs where used to create the page. She is not on Joelle's CT but she is on Mystica's CT.
No it wasnt real porno, but it is not something to share on an open gallery. I do not think it was her own ass, surely it was a stockphoto like almost all of her layouts are.
As for using stockphotos I do not get the idea behind it, making layouts and giving it titles for complete strangers. I'd rather scrap my own family and friends.
so those that know?
stock photo's? isn't it copyright infringement or are they free to use anyway you want?
slap me around if this has been answered a million times,
and I saw it, didn't think the kit was good or the layout...the picture grabbed (no pun intended) you, but the title, the layout didn't even make sense...perhaps it was lost in the translation. ha ha
as for seeing it in the gallery, I would rather not have it but (woo hoo, on the puns) it is a thumbnail preview...you would really have to click on it to figure out what it was....
shock value is advertising value
how about the discussion of ads or animation gifs in the description of your layouts made from the kit? love to hear ya'lls input...I'm trying to find the link...
Personally, I just thought it was a LO that made no sense. I wasn't offended by it, but I didn't see the point of it either.
June 28, 2009 8:06 AM
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I can say that about a lot of LOs. I never saw the one that caused the furor though.
so those that know?
stock photo's? isn't it copyright infringement or are they free to use anyway you want?
slap me around if this has been answered a million times,
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Depends on the terms of use. Some of them are in violation of copyright and others aren't.
so those that know?
stock photo's? isn't it copyright infringement or are they free to use anyway you want?
slap me around if this has been answered a million times,
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There are stock photo sites that are public domain. You can use the photo anyway you want. There are others that are royalty free some are free sites with no cost and others have big $$ on them.
So I guess people are free to scrap about anything as long as it does not offend conservative sensibilities.
That's the point right? You have determined what is decent or indecent and therefore anything that you deem inappropriate should be banned.
Oh and by the way, scrapbooking is not just an American hobby. And unlike America most of the rest of the world isn't afraid of seeing naked humans.
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So I guess people are free to scrap about anything as long as it does not offend conservative sensibilities.
That's the point right? You have determined what is decent or indecent and therefore anything that you deem inappropriate should be banned.
Oh and by the way, scrapbooking is not just an American hobby. And unlike America most of the rest of the world isn't afraid of seeing naked humans.
June 28, 2009 9:58 PM
Well seeing how DST is a site based in America, run by an American, the owners and moderates have the right to make that decision don't they.
I think most people who agreed with that LO are taggers as they mostly "tag" naked women (which is quite weird. I would rather "tag" a naked man)
Oh and by the way, scrapbooking is not just an American hobby. And unlike America most of the rest of the world isn't afraid of seeing naked humans.
June 28, 2009 9:58 PM
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Good for you for being part of the ranks of the perversely numb. If the rest of the world prefers to behave that way, then they can do what they please in their countries and on their own websites. But DST & MSA are US based sites.
Just because the "rest" of the world thinks it's ok doesn't mean that it is. I can think of a lot of terrible things that have come out of European history that doesn't exactly put them in the best light when it comes to morality. Not an example I chose to follow or use to set my own standards.
Just because the "rest" of the world thinks it's ok doesn't mean that it is. I can think of a lot of terrible things that have come out of European history that doesn't exactly put them in the best light when it comes to morality. Not an example I chose to follow or use to set my own standards.
June 28, 2009 11:15 PM
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I can think the same of a lot of things that have occurred in US history too. I see lots of Americans preaching morality, but the reality is quite different.
I can think the same of a lot of things that have occurred in US history too. I see lots of Americans preaching morality, but the reality is quite different.
June 29, 2009 12:24 AM
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We aren't preaching morality on this issue. We are asking that our choice of morality be respected. You can choose to look at whatever you want. Scrap about it. I don't really care. I would like that distasteful sexual images not be put in my view in a scrapbook gallery that says that nudity is inappropriate.
We aren't preaching morality on this issue. We are asking that our choice of morality be respected. You can choose to look at whatever you want. Scrap about it. I don't really care. I would like that distasteful sexual images not be put in my view in a scrapbook gallery that says that nudity is inappropriate.
June 29, 2009 12:34 AM
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I don't want to see the either, but when you start making racial slurs, I get upset.
I haven't sold more than 10 for each kit since I started designing. I'd be elated if I sell more than 10.
I haven't sold more than 10 for each kit since I started designing. I'd be elated if I sell more than 10.
How long does it take you to make one? Just to sell 10? Is it worth it?
I can think the same of a lot of things that have occurred in US history too. I see lots of Americans preaching morality, but the reality is quite different.
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AMEN! Sing it, sister!
sad truth is there are ugly Americans, Aussies, English and all the other countries...we ALL have our dirty laundry, attacking and cappin on others due to country or ethnic basis is pitiful and sad...
I am proud to be an American and just as proud to have the other country woman I have met thru digiscrapping and call them friends!
yeah I know, I am one of those happy scrappers...lol, sunshine girls I think is the slam? I wear it proudly.
American "values" were attacked first. Although I'm not sure that the majority of Americans feel this way when you look at our movies, TV, and ads. So in many ways it's a sterotype of our country from long ago.
"And unlike America most of the rest of the world isn't afraid of seeing naked humans.
June 28, 2009 9:58 PM"
I'm amazed that whenever someone says something negative about another country it becomes a racial slur but anyone can make any comment they choose or make fun of American values with very little payback. It's a double standard and makes the rest of the world look like hyprocrits. You can dish it out but can't take it in!
"American" is not a race. FYI.
"American" is not a race. FYI.
June 29, 2009 8:39 AM
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Neither is European. But someone called that statement above a "racial" slur.
So I guess people are free to scrap about anything as long as it does not offend conservative sensibilities.
That's the point right? You have determined what is decent or indecent and therefore anything that you deem inappropriate should be banned.
Oh and by the way, scrapbooking is not just an American hobby. And unlike America most of the rest of the world isn't afraid of seeing naked humans.
June 28, 2009 9:58 PM
It has nothing to do with being conservative, or having the right to deem what is decent or indecent. It has everything to do with what should and should not be seen on a "family friendly" site. I got hell for posting a hunting layout once upon a time, even though I had WARNING in the title. It wasn't graphic, bloody or gory, but it was a dead animal, and upset quite a few people, American and non-American alike. We all have the right to our opinions about what is appropriate and what is not. It's not censorship, it's no one pushing religious values or puritanical points of view.
Yes I'm very careful about what my kids watch on t.v. There are commercials that even make my mouth drop open, so I sure don't want my kids to see them. Some of the commercials on the AMC channel are absolutely horrendous, therefore we don't watch that channel when the kids are awake. I have no intentions of making my kids prudish, but I also have no intention of allowing them to think that sexual displays are okay for the world to watch.
I haven't sold more than 10 for each kit since I started designing. I'd be elated if I sell more than 10.
How long does it take you to make one? Just to sell 10? Is it worth it?
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So far it's still 'worth it' since I enjoy the designing process. Everything else is bonus, but of course, I'd love to sell more and make more $$$.
Neither is European. But someone called that statement above a "racial" slur.
My point exactly.
My point exactly.
June 29, 2009 10:07 AM
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Then why didn't you state that for both? Why did you just pick on the American?
So there's a war going on and US soldiers getting killed every day. Men and women with families and children who are dying. Yet you people are seriously focused on whether a layout in a gallery on a digital scrapbooking site was inappropriate? Get a fucking life. Grow some morals and perspective people. Who the fuck cares about this crap?!?
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I haven't sold more than 10 for each kit since I started designing. I'd be elated if I sell more than 10.
Then you should stop designing. Your stuff probably sucks and your friends are too nice to tell you.
What better advertisement for her designer's product than by having it linked here! ;)
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Not really. As no one even remembers who created the page, or the designer's name that made the kit.
June 28, 2009 10:59 AM
Yes they did you dumbass. They posted the designers kits. Or did you just forget how to read?
wv= nosta= Nosta sharpest knife in the drawer.
So there's a war going on and US soldiers getting killed every day. Men and women with families and children who are dying. Yet you people are seriously focused on whether a layout in a gallery on a digital scrapbooking site was inappropriate? Get a fucking life. Grow some morals and perspective people. Who the fuck cares about this crap?!?
June 29, 2009 1:36 PM
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What the hell are you doing here if there is so much important stuff going on in the world?
Why don't you contribute something useful if you want to talk about something else?
What the hell are you doing here if there is so much important stuff going on in the world?
Why don't you contribute something useful if you want to talk about something else?
June 29, 2009 1:40 PM
Because you illiterate and idiotic dumb bitches wouldn't understand what any of it means. I'm here simply for giggles. It humors me to see such ignorance all in one place. Who knew such amusement could be free?
Who the fuck cares about this crap?!?
June 29, 2009 1:36 PM
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I DO!
It humors me to see such ignorance all in one place. Who knew such amusement could be free?
June 29, 2009 1:43 PM
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Like I haven't read that response before on this blog. So unoriginal and boring.
Who the fuck cares about this crap?!?
June 29, 2009 1:36 PM
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I DO!
Hi Melissa Bennett
Hi Melissa Bennett
June 29, 2009 2:54 PM
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HI IDIOT!
(not MB though! why would she care about a nudey layout?)
The nude layout is old news now. There is new drama on DST today. FWIW I'm glad I'm not posting layouts online anymore. I'm sure that blog(s) will be down soon when Disney sees their stuff plastered on it.
http://nubiagroup.blogspot.com/
So there's a war going on and US soldiers getting killed every day. Men and women with families and children who are dying. Yet you people are seriously focused on whether a layout in a gallery on a digital scrapbooking site was inappropriate? Get a fucking life. Grow some morals and perspective people. Who the fuck cares about this crap?!?
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Not to minimize your point about people dying but there are more than Americans getting killed. Many innocent men, women and children are being killed.
But I fail to see what that has to do with this site and if it's so important to you then maybe you should be elsewhere doing something about it.
This site doesn't proclaim to be about the ills of the outside world. I believe it is a place for folks to debate, dish and bitch about a hobby that we all say we love so much.
But I fail to see what that has to do with this site and if it's so important to you then maybe you should be elsewhere doing something about it.
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She doesn't really give a crap about that stuff. She just wanted to bully us into changing the subject.
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http://nubiagroup.blogspot.com/
June 29, 2009 4:11 PM
What sort of idiot thinks this is okay to do? Whether they add text to those qp's or not, it's not okay for them to distribute them that way.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=198834
If you post layouts online you might want to check out the thread.
I have no worries. None of my layouts get any views anyways at DST. Really think that place is about worthless.
Do your layouts get views at anyplace? I doubt one place is different than another. If you want views and comments, view and leave comments for other people.
Play the praise game and you'll get some views!
I don't give a crap about views. That praise game is sick & a waste of time. It's the same players day after day. Fawning over each other.
Just love scrap & being creative. :)
I'm amazed that whenever someone says something negative about another country it becomes a racial slur but anyone can make any comment they choose or make fun of American values with very little payback. It's a double standard and makes the rest of the world look like hyprocrits. You can dish it out but can't take it in!
June 29, 2009 8:30 AM
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really? I've never noticed and I live in America. The thing I dislike the most about us as Americans and this vibe we give of being so much superior to everyone else. We aren't all that innocent.
So there's a war going on and US soldiers getting killed every day. Men and women with families and children who are dying. Yet you people are seriously focused on whether a layout in a gallery on a digital scrapbooking site was inappropriate? Get a fucking life. Grow some morals and perspective people. Who the fuck cares about this crap?!?
June 29, 2009 1:36 PM
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This is a digi scrap smack blog, not the nightly news. Don't like it, don't visit.
Besides, Americans are not the only ones getting killed, so get some perspective yourself.
Because you illiterate and idiotic dumb bitches wouldn't understand what any of it means. I'm here simply for giggles. It humors me to see such ignorance all in one place. Who knew such amusement could be free?
June 29, 2009 1:43 PM
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Let me bow down and scrape before your exalted company. I'm so honored to have you amongst us lowly people. Get over yourself.
So there's a war going on and US soldiers getting killed every day. Men and women with families and children who are dying. Yet you people are seriously focused on whether a layout in a gallery on a digital scrapbooking site was inappropriate? Get a fucking life. Grow some morals and perspective people. Who the fuck cares about this crap?!?
June 29, 2009 1:36 PM
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Bush lied through his smirking mouth, to start this miserable war. Do believe there was a bunch of republicans cheering him on. Don't know if they are still cheering.
Go find a political forum to trash.
So there's a war going on and US soldiers getting killed every day. Men and women with families and children who are dying. Yet you people are seriously focused on whether a layout in a gallery on a digital scrapbooking site was inappropriate? Get a fucking life. Grow some morals and perspective people. Who the fuck cares about this crap?!?
June 29, 2009 1:36 PM
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Obviously you care about this crap. Otherwise you wouldn't be here.
BTW, if no one cared about this crap, this blog would cease to exist. Now go clean your dirty mouth out.
YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH WHEN BILLY MAYS IS TALKING
wow. someone forgot to take their meds this morning.
So how many languages should designers translate their TOUs into?
WV= shiple How many shiple will bitch when the folder full of various TOUs takes up too much space/DL time?
um... the native language of whatever country the store is in seems to be adequate. if that isn't your language, it's on you to figure it out.
Billy Mays is dead.
Yes, and 1:48 is speaking to him...hushhhhhh
So how many languages should designers translate their TOUs into?
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It doesn't matter in how many languages you write your TOU. If someone doesn't want to follow it, she won't and if she's honest and doesn't understand, she will ask you.
If I had a big following of people from a certain country I might consider putting my TOU's in their language. Otherwise I would just stick to my own native language.
So how many languages should designers translate their TOUs into?
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The whole language barrier thing is BS. As someone pointed out, if they don't understand and they are honest, they will contact the designer. the others don't care and will conveniently not speak or understand English when it suits them.
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pirate much?
a couple of people on that DST thread about QP's being used as e-cards are really rude.
English is obviously not the first language of the owner of that site. it would be much more helpful to explain things clearly in simple English, rather than being obnoxious to her.
copyright & tou's are confusing to people, even those native English speakers. no reason to be jerks to someone that doesn't understand it.
Come on! She is seriously dumb. She uses copyrighted photos and quotes on "her layouts". She doesn't want to understand that just because she found these photos and quotes for free through yahoo groups, it's ok to use them. A LOT of yahoo sharing groups are used for piracy (reditributing copyrighted material).
ugh...another month of the dig files...I am SO SICK of it already...glad they did that survey so they could put the SAME type of shit in there each month!...Unless you are some "big name" designer in her 5 fave stores there is NO WAY in hell you will be featured...I was over it in month 1! plus the site is only a few months old and alreay has a banner at DST???!! Some designers have been waiting for over a year to get a banner....how in the hell can this chick waltz in the scene and get special treatment....I hate that this community can be full of cliques all the time
Look who is listed as an instructor at the DSE event:
http://www.scrapandpapercorner.com/events/dse/instructors.html
Tell me it's not so!
12:31 what are you talking about?
Look who is listed as an instructor at the DSE event:
http://www.scrapandpapercorner.com/events/dse/instructors.html
Tell me it's not so!
July 1, 2009 12:59 PM
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Amanda dykan! But is it new stuff though?
Look who is listed as an instructor at the DSE event:
http://www.scrapandpapercorner.com/events/dse/instructors.html
Tell me it's not so!
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Seriously?? That's bad juju man. I so wouldn't want to be associated with her in any way shape or form.
12:31 - What are you, new?
Janet did not waltz onto the scene. She was a designer before she started TDD.
As for the Digifiles - she knows what sells. Everyone that she has had in there is a major player in the scrap world. You get bigger & well know designers to design for the digi files, you sell more. You put a nobody or crap in there - you will not sell as many. It's a business & she is a smart business woman whether you agree or like it.
It's as simple as that.
Oh - as far as having a banner - don't underestimate the power of the all mighty dollar once again. I don't know how you get a banner or pay for one, but I know that money talks. She has a good product. Her site is informative. You know she is reputable & "good for it" within the community - why not bump Janet's name up on the list?
http://www.scrapandpapercorner.com/events/dse/instructors.html#9
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How do they allow this to happen. Whew, and Amanda Dykan in the same room as Amanda Rockwell? I hope AR tells her off! LOL
Hey, well you can always contact dseinfo@ckmedia.com if you want to let them know that Amanda Dykan has banned in the community. She's in charge of the event. I would never attend one of her classes..NEVER. Just the thought of her makes me sick. Were there any formal charges brought against her?
I'll bet they booked them all months ago to be at the DSE. How long has that page been up?
Surely it's not up to date.
Look who is listed as an instructor at the DSE event:
http://www.scrapandpapercorner.com/events/dse/instructors.html
Tell me it's not so!
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Seriously?? That's bad juju man. I so wouldn't want to be associated with her in any way shape or form.
July 1, 2009 2:04 PM
OMG, no kidding! I can't believe that anyplace that knows anything about AD would take her on as an instructor! Or that the other gals there would want to have their names associated together with hers! Wow! If I was in that crew, I would be saying either she leaves, or I do. And I'd be talking to the other instructors about the same thing, trying to get her out of there before my name got tarnished by association.
Whatever happened to Amanda's "I'm leaving the digi-scrap community for
good" ?? Ugh! So do you suppose the people who run that site have even a small clue as to what she has done?
It makes me nauseous just to read her grandiose bio. She has one big ego, despite being completely rejected by the digi community, and being caught red-handed stealing another designer's work and passing it off as her own. How the hell does she just go on as if nothing happened? I think people should contact the owners of that site and event (whatever it is), and let them know about the piracy problems they are opening themselves up to!
If I was in that crew, I would be saying either she leaves, or I do. And I'd be talking to the other instructors about the same thing, trying to get her out of there before my name got tarnished by association.
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That wouldn't be my response. Are you kidding? CK acknowledging their existance! This is big for them and they probably don't want to rock the boat because there are hundreds of other designers out there that can take their place.
And she did leave digi. CK is a paper company.
"12:31 - What are you, new?"
Nope not new...just tired. There is more in the digi scrap world then she protrays. Actually I think she is turning SOME of us off by not being diverse. I would rather her showcase someone who is "new/er" and still has good quality then all these BIG players. Why not place someone like, Amy sumrall, Pam Donnis, megan turnidge, tracie stroud...I mean I could go on and on... the market is saturated with talent...try something else!..
$$ talks...I know...sucks though..isn't that why there is a list!?
$$ talks...I know...sucks though..isn't that why there is a list!?
July 1, 2009 3:47 PM
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yes, there's a list but sometimes the spots don't get paid in time so they are given away. And it could be that Janet reserved the spot for her own designs a long time ago.
Amanda Dykan has banned in the community.
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Who banned her? There's no governing authority.
I think Janet's banner at dst is probably from when she was still at SBG, she always had a banner. She may have kept her spot by paying for it but not using it possibly. The income from the digifiles is what she uses to run her site. If it was me I would also use established designers that have a following. The customers are buying it sight unseen (for some), they know the work of these designer and it fits their styles. The newer designers you named don't have that following so the digifiles may not sell. I went and looked at the work of the new designers you named and their kits look ok, but it is stuff that I have seen before and alot of the elements I already have in other kits. There are just so many designers out there doing the same thing and using the same CU products that alot of the kits are just repetitions of the same idea.
Amanda Dykan has banned in the community.
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Who banned her? There's no governing authority.
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There does not need to be a governing authority. Anyone who knows anything about her has banned her in their own mind. I might have paid the big bucks to go to the DSE event. No way in hell would I go if A.D. will be there.
You know what sucks about that (one of the very many things)? Her participation in that event would reflect SOO poorly on the digi industry and community. She should NOT be a representative of digital scrapbooking. EVER. period.
LOL... I looked that the first photo: Ana Cabrera. Got confused thinking "Gina Cabrera" and went, "What the hell happened?!?" Ha
Any company/site willing to feature the Dyke won't get my custom. You'd think those companies would have higher standards..........
I wonder if A.D.'s freebie kit contains any copyright stuff.
AD being an instructor at the DSE is old news. It's been brought up here quite a lot of times and I'm surprised she is still listed there. AR knows full well that AD stole her tutorials, she has proof so I don't understand why she hasn't shown that proof to CK.
I think maybe that site just hasn't been updated. If you click on the instructors profiles, all of the links in Amanda's lead to dead sites. If she was active again, she'd have probably changed to links to active sites.
Who banned her? There's no governing authority.
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There does not need to be a governing authority. Anyone who knows anything about her has banned her in their own mind. I might have paid the big bucks to go to the DSE event. No way in hell would I go if A.D. will be there.
July 1, 2009 4:59 PM
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But if you are an outside company are you really going to believe a bunch of petty digital scrapbookers saying she has been banned from the community? They would just think you're an idiot with a twig up your ass over AD. A BAN by definition requires a governing authority.
I think you mean boycot. But then it's just personal.
If someone would find a way to bring up charges against her and she was found guilty that might be a different story. But that probably won't happen because of the cost and technically she didn't break any laws. Copying doesn't get someone thrown in jail.
How do they allow this to happen. Whew, and Amanda Dykan in the same room as Amanda Rockwell? I hope AR tells her off! LOL
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I know amanda and I am pretty certain A.D. will be told off.
Anyone else think that Kristen Rice is a copycat? Every time she releases a product, I've seen it before somewhere else. She just released photo textures and Kasia did the same a few weeks ago.
There are so many designers out there. I think crediting designers has gotten just too ridiculous. If I see a painting at an art gallery, it is not the artisit's responsibility to name what type of paint brush he/she used, where they bought the paint, who made the canvass that was used, or the manufacturer of the frame. The artist took supplies from various sources and created something with it. The artist is who gets credit for the art, not the maker of the supplies they used.
I agree... I am so sick of crediting also. And who really looks at the credits?
On all my stuff, I don't require any credit. I think it's ridiculous to require customers to make a list while they're designing or to remember what came from where, especially when they're using my items for personal layouts. I remember when I started digiscrapping, I HATED trying to keep track of what I was using. It got to the point I never posted anything to online galleries and still don't. As far as I'm concerned, I paid for the item and as long as I'm not using it illegally or sharing it, I don't owe anybody anything. My customers paid me fairly and they owe me nothing further, as far as I'm concerned.
As for my commercial stuff, I simply don't have the time to keep up with who has what and how they're using it. If someone's gonna pirate, they're gonna pirate whether I require credit or not. If they're honest, I have nothing to worry about anyway.
I would go - organize a picket line and bring public awareness to her lying, demented behavior. Blow up a picture of that women she said was her - and ask her to explain who she is today - is it really Amanda Dyken teaching, or Lilly, or does she have a new alternate personality that would like to greet the masses.
Maybe her next personality should be an attorney/PR person - that way when things get confused, she can conjur up her support system and put them out front.
Was there some drama? Is Kim serious?
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=197745&page=2
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Ruby stop trying to cause trouble.
Anyone else think that Kristen Rice is a copycat? Every time she releases a product, I've seen it before somewhere else. She just released photo textures and Kasia did the same a few weeks ago.
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Kasia is hardly the first to offer photo textures. It's been done and done and done.
1:52 Sorry to burst your bubble but I am not Ruby.
Anyone else think that Kristen Rice is a copycat? Every time she releases a product, I've seen it before somewhere else. She just released photo textures and Kasia did the same a few weeks ago.
July 2, 2009 12:22 PM
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I don't know Kristen but you have to be kidding about the photo textures, right? They have been around way before Kasia was even designing. Think of something else to pick on. Sheesh.
Two Sisters did photo textures over 2 years ago... and they weren't the first either. They've existed in photography circles forever.
I was doing photo textures four years ago in digi scrapping and I wasn't the first to do them. They just weren't the thing then, as everyone was trying to make paper style pages. What a long way digi has come and I'm so glad.
Can't stand Kristen or A5, but that was the lamest attempt at calling copycat I've ever seen.
testing
why didnt Ashlee Wall last at Sraporchard?
I see Ruby is now selling at a new site and no longer at DSP, I guess she didn't sign a non compete clause like they supposedly have there. It wasn't that long ago she was still at DSP.
Why doesn't Kellie Mize sell at DesignerDigitals.com anymore?
What happened?
Thank you Lauren Reid for leaving Little Dreamer. Ever since I got bad CS from Michelle Coleman I swore I would NEVER buy from them again. SSD isn't all that but to buy from Lauren again I am thankful! Thanks Lauren :-)
July 3, 2009 11:12 PM
she had a big blowout there over store collaborations.
I guess Lauren Reid was going to end up at SSD eventually. After all, it's about the only store she hadn't moved to.
Where is Ruby selling now?
I was wondering about the whole Kellie Mize thing too. She has like an 1/8 of the products at WST than she had at DD. I don't really like her stuff at WST.... probably because she is not as diverse as she was at DD. It was pretty abrupt how she left though.
a friend of mine did a couple of chargebacks last month and now is getting sued! WTF is up with that? Is that even legal?!
Are you kidding with that question?
Where is Ruby selling now?
July 4, 2009 12:21 PM
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I forget the name, a really dinky little store.. why she is selling there I do not know, I would have thought she would do better at DSP or some other large store. I think I saw the link in her DST siggy.
I forget the name, a really dinky little store.. why she is selling there I do not know, I would have thought she would do better at DSP or some other large store. I think I saw the link in her DST siggy.
July 4, 2009 5:55 PM
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Sometimes it has nothing to do with doing better, sometimes it's about the commitment that the store requires from you. I guess that DSP were asking too much and the new store is asking a whole lot less. I've seen some store requirements that are ridiculous. Tow products a month, plus contributing to the store collab, plus running challenges etc.
DSP may be a "large" store, but it's definitely not that great. They lost me a long time ago w/ their ridiculous 200 dpi line in the sand. By the time they decided to offer anything @ 300, I had found FAR better places to shop. It does seem like they require a lot of their designers, and their non-compete thing is completely beyond lame. There's something wrong with a place that doesn't treat their employees OR their customers very well.
There's something wrong with a place that doesn't treat their employees OR their customers very well.
July 4, 2009 9:58 PM
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I haven't seen a site treat their customers better than DSP anywhere! The community there is unlike anywhere else. And how would you know how they treat their employees unless you were one yourself? I bet you aren't/weren't.
does DSP have a non-compete clause for designers after they leave the store for a certain period of time?
I recall reading that on this blog before. Don't know if it's true or not but Ruby hasn't been gone from DSP very long?
DSP has a non-compete. However, if THEY break the contract, they can't hold you to it.
DSP has a non-compete. However, if THEY break the contract, they can't hold you to it.
July 5, 2009 12:21 AM
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Who says THEY broke it? I read on the DSP forums that Ruby left.
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I was wondering about the whole Kellie Mize thing too. She has like an 1/8 of the products at WST than she had at DD. I don't really like her stuff at WST.... probably because she is not as diverse as she was at DD. It was pretty abrupt how she left though.
July 4, 2009 12:32 PM
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I wondered why Kellie Mize left DesignerDigitals too. I thought Kellie was one of their main big designers at DesignerDigitals for many years.
Is DesignerDigitals considered a good place to work/design for? Good commission/fees etc....???
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They said that about the last several designers to leave as well. We all know that it wasn't true for at least Irene and Amber.
DSP sucks. I was a loyal customer for quite a while when I first started digi scrapping. After a few episodes of horrendous CS, and downright rude BS from some of their higher ups, I found much better sites and haven't even been tempted to look back. That place blows.
Quick Question:
Do you prefer designers to be exclusive to ONE store?
or:
Do you prefer they sell the SAME product at NUMEROUS stores (so you can choose your fave store)?
Another Question:
Do you follow your favorite DESIGNERS around as they jump from store to store?
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Do you stick to your favorite STORES irrespective of who sells there?
Personally, I tend to do a bit of both. I follow some designers from place to place cause I like their stuff then while I'm there I may check out some other designer's as well. The vast majority (maybe 80% or more) of the kits I buy tend to come from the same 5-10 designers, though.
I would say that I don't necessarily care if a designer is exclusive or not, which I guess means that I don't really see any advantage in selling at more than one place. Seems like it just makes more work for you and either way I'll find your store if I want to. I do get a little annoyed, though, if a designer has different kits at different stores. Kind of a pain to keep track of both, I'd rather see them have 100% of their stuff in one place.
good questions. I get frustrated when one store I shop I purchase a designer's items and then find out that another store they also sell at has the same item cheaper or on sale. I don't have time to check out all three stores that a designer I like may sell at.
If it's a designer I really like yes I will follow them. This has resulted in me finding new designers that I like, so win-win for me.
Sticking to favourite stores....that depends, if there isn't anything I like there then no I won't stay.
There are some designers I follow from place to place, regardless of where they are, and some stores I tend to spend most of my time/money in (the 4s's, SSD, SO, SPD, and SBG). If I really liked a designer, I'd possibly follow them anywhere, though, unless I just really disliked the store for some reason (and there are a few stores that fall in this category).
My 2 cents...
I'd rather see them have 100% of their stuff in one place.
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I agree with this statement.
It's much easier for me to stay updated with my favourite designers if they remain in one spot.
I have no idea how some designers can keep up with different stores (some are selling at like 10-12). Doesn't that create a whole lot of extra work? Some stores require store packaging, so previews must be redone.
Then when they have the same product in different stores and one store is having a sale, they have to mark down that kit at all the other stores too. How the heck do they keep track?
"...(the 4s's, SSD, SO, SPD, and SBG)..."
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LOL, that was funny! When I started scrapping 4+ years ago the S's included such places as SBB and SBE. Those stores are still going strong after all these years. What is it about them that they don't seem "in vogue" any more like the smaller trendy boutiques? Obviously they still must have a (large) loyal fan base to keep going.
SBE is in serious need of a makeover. Or at the least modernized css. It only displays right on ONE of my computers. It wont even load on the new laptop...
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SBE is in serious need of a makeover. Or at the least modernized css. It only displays right on ONE of my computers. It wont even load on the new laptop...
July 5, 2009 4:35 PM
hmmmmmmmm.....I CT for 2 designers there and never had a problem loading the site in over 2 years. is it something to do with the store, or galleries, or what? just trying to be helpful and find out what the problem is. hopefully there will be a site makeover in the works :).
BTW, is this the only reason for not going there? the wonky or old-fashioned css?
LOL, that was funny! When I started scrapping 4+ years ago the S's included such places as SBB and SBE. Those stores are still going strong after all these years. What is it about them that they don't seem "in vogue" any more like the smaller trendy boutiques?
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I dunno, but agreed with the other comment, SBE is hideously ugly. SBB isn't much better, but at least doesn't look like it was designed by a high schooler in 1995. Anyways, they're out there I suppose but the way the sites look is a pretty big turn off and hard to get around. This is admittedly somewhat irrelevant to how good the designers are or aren't, but for some reason I just can't deal with a lame-looking digital arts-related website (DSP falls in this category as well).
So what would you all consider a WELL-designed digital-arts related website? Examples? Thanx!
What is it about them that they don't seem "in vogue" any more like the smaller trendy boutiques?
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To pile on a bit, I don't know if I'd necessarily consider them (SBB and SBE in particular) larger than any of the 4 mentioned. Looking at the traffic (unique visitors) for each, looks like SBB has fallen off a lot this year, SBE is somewhat even, but either way not really what I'd consider a whole lot bigger than SBG, SO, SPD, or SSD. Can't say that traffic translates to revenue/sales directly, but have to imagine at some level it probably does.
So am I correct in interpreting your comments:
It doesn't matter how good a designer is or how much you like her stuff.... you won't shop at her store because the look there is outdated or the site is hard to navigate?
Perhaps I'm missing some really great designers because I don't visit the site they sell at.
So am I correct in interpreting your comments:
It doesn't matter how good a designer is or how much you like her stuff.... you won't shop at her store because the look there is outdated or the site is hard to navigate?
Perhaps I'm missing some really great designers because I don't visit the site they sell at.
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Ummm... No, not at all what I said. What I said was I don't like SBE and SBB because they look pretty dated. If one of the designers I like went there exclusively, I'd probably shop there. At the moment, this isn't the case so I have no interest in trying to browse their somewhat crappy looking websites. Nothing against the designers, it's entirely possible there are people at both that I'd love, but it's just sort of a turn off to me. I guess my point being if I was a designer, I'd probably not work at a site that didn't at least somewhat look well put together. It sort of like being an architect in a run-down cruddy building- probably not what you want your potential clients to see. In the virtual world, I can't see your building, so first impressions are critical.
Anyways, just my particular thoughts, not trying to speak for everyone.
Thank you for explaining! It makes sense to me. Hmmmm...food for thought now....
I don't really have a fav designer or store anymore. There are so many designers out there making similar stuff, it's not worth my time to stick to just a few. Not to mention that quite a few of my favs decided to completely change their style to fit in with trends. I don't mind them fitting in with the trend, but there's no need to completely change to the trend and quit making their old stuff. That's bad business, throwing all your eggs in one basket. I totally get wanting new customers or trying new styles, but that doesn't mean they should forget the existing ones.
I used to shop at bit a SBB but all the designers I followed there left a long time ago or have an alternate store, so I don't visit any more. I never liked navigating at SBE, so didn't shop there and still don't. I don't go to the other S's either. I don't really shop anywhere at the moment, nothing interesting out there. I spend my money on other crafts these days.
I am just the opposite...if a store is hard to shop, difficult to search or too big-I don't shop there.
I dont mind if a person has a personal shop and another shop but more than one store is too hard to follow. And I am not likely to follow them anymore. I HATE buying something one place and later seeing it cheaper somewhere else. I have stopped buying from more than one designer for that reason.
I never liked navigating at SBE, so didn't shop there and still don't. I don't go to the other S's either. I don't really shop anywhere at the moment, nothing interesting out there. I spend my money on other crafts these days.
July 5, 2009 7:23 PM
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What exactly is so hard about navigating SBE? It has the same New Products, Categories and List of Designers like other stores.
My issues is the fact that SBE is so big......
40 designers....
It has too many categories--Quick pages, Quick page albums
Holidays-each holiday
1200~kits....way to many to look thru...
but I think the main reason I dont shop there is because the previews are small and have low quality. When I roll over them I see the item clearly and it is kinda tempting but too much work.
Thank you for all your feedback! As a new store owner I'm trying very hard to be as customer-friendly as possible.
Some very good ideas have come out of this discussion.
Among them I see:
- initial previews should be large enough (120x120pixels too small? more like 200x200pixels?)
- easy to navigate (not too many menus - what else?)
- not too many designers (40 is too much - is 20 better?)
- perhaps categorize designers by exclusive/non-exclusive?
- keep product categories to the minimum
- easy-to-find NEW products (or designer stores able to sort by date)
- professional-looking site graphics / corporate branding
- interface compatible with majority of web browsers
What else is important to YOU as a shopper? What is an instant turnoff and what draws you in?
Then when they have the same product in different stores and one store is having a sale, they have to mark down that kit at all the other stores too. How the heck do they keep track?
July 5, 2009 4:16 PM
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Hmmmmm, I never do that...should I?
There is nothing to say you have to mark down the same item in all stores. That is entirely up to you.
To the new store owner -
Enlarged previews, it takes forever to click on a product, go to another page, enlarge, then close, go back, etc. An enlarged preview will tell me right away if I want to see more.
Cute store, have something unique. Every kit looks the same these days. Most shops require designers to put out x amount of products a month. They would do better to do one a month and have it be something special, imho.
Thanks for asking!
Don't forget that larger previews mean those on dialup or those who have limited download quotas are forced to download things they might not want. Smaller previews with a "mouse over" enlargement are much more user friendly for those people.
You can't please everyone I guess. People will find something to complain about no matter what store owners do.
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That's a very valid point. I took my laptop with me on vacation last month and only had limited dialup service. Usually my browser zips through the store previews but this time it was taking f.o.r.e.v.e.r... to load. Very frustrating especially because it was during a sale weekend!
Someone complained about SBE's small & low quality previews. I don't really see how they are much smaller than other stores who run ZenCart.
The thing that I did like was the mouse-over effect. Without having to go into the list view (or each individual product) I could see a bigger preview and then decide if it warranted further looking into. That really helps me a lot, not having to navigate back and forth.
perhaps I am just missing something, but when I am in the shopping mood, my paypal loaded up..
I go thru and add to cart...I hit continue shopping and instead of bringing me to where I was I start all over...I know I can do back page, but I would like to keep browsing that particular designer...
just a peeve of mine, but not one that has stopped me from buying...lol
I also like the feature to be emailed if there is something added or that goes with the things I just bought...nice
Yeah, that "continue shopping" thing annoys me too but it seems to be at all the stores I visit.
At least at SBE you can go to a category eg templates and then sort them by Designer. There are stores out there that don't allow that and you have to look through all the templates to find the ones you want.
Another peeve of mine is that some stores sort their product by alphabetical order and not by the date added. They also don't allow you to sort them by designer.
If Designer A adds their Zoo Kit today, it is listed right at the end where by their Animal Kit is 6 months old but at the top of the listing. There is no way of sorting that designers list to "Date Added". Those are the stores I couldn't be bothered trying to sort through.
Anonymous said...
My issues is the fact that SBE is so big......
40 designers....
It has too many categories--Quick pages, Quick page albums
Holidays-each holiday
1200~kits....way to many to look thru...
but I think the main reason I dont shop there is because the previews are small and have low quality. When I roll over them I see the item clearly and it is kinda tempting but too much work.
July 5, 2009 9:53 PM
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As a long-time shopper there (more than 4 years) I don't think all the things you mentioned are necessarily negative points. But I do understand that what irritates one person could be what another person values - you cannot please all the people all the time unfortunately.
For example, I appreciate the fact that they divide the holidays up between Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, etc. If they just had a general "holiday" category it will be so much harder to find a product I need if I only want to something for my Halloween photos.
The same goes for the quick pages and templates. I only scrap 8.5x11, so I don't need to browse through pages and pages of 12x12 QPs and templates to find what I'm looking for.
I do agree, however, that there are too many designers and lots of old stuff from 4 years ago that should be culled. I think only half the designers listed are actually still active, while the other half seem to have disappeared off the scene and are only shelving their products there hoping for an occasional sale. I myself visit every Sunday so i can stay on top of what the newest releases are.
Looking at the traffic (unique visitors) for each
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Where can you find this information?? (Looking up how many unique visitors each site has)?
Thanks in advance
I don't like sifting through more than 5 or 6 pages of a designer's products.
Anonymous said...
Yeah, that "continue shopping" thing annoys me too but it seems to be at all the stores I visit.
At least at SBE you can go to a category eg templates and then sort them by Designer. There are stores out there that don't allow that and you have to look through all the templates to find the ones you want.
Another peeve of mine is that some stores sort their product by alphabetical order and not by the date added. They also don't allow you to sort them by designer.
If Designer A adds their Zoo Kit today, it is listed right at the end where by their Animal Kit is 6 months old but at the top of the listing. There is no way of sorting that designers list to "Date Added". Those are the stores I couldn't be bothered trying to sort through.
July 5, 2009 11:38 PM
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Oh, I like that too (being able to filter through categories according to designer)! Most other stores allow you to sort by date/price or something vague called "product".
But at SBE I can go to the Kit Category, choose the designer I want from the drop-down list, and then also sort according to date (model#) or price, etc.
Or, I can choose the designer I want from the menu, then choose the category from the drop-down list and sort the products the way I want.
That way I can see, for example, what the latest alphabet from designer XYZ is. Either by sorting/filtering the category or sorting/filtering the designer.
I suppose it just depends on what cart system a store uses as to what they are able to offer their customers, right?
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I don't like sifting through more than 5 or 6 pages of a designer's products.
July 5, 2009 11:50 PM
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So are you saying you don't want a designer to have more than, say, 50 products in one store?
I can understand 50 kits is a lot, but what if you had the option to just sort according to the designer's latest products so that the most recent ones appear at the top of the first page?
SBB's store setup does the same thing.
You can select the Category, then choose the Designer, then sort according to Date. That way you can see the latest kit from your fave designer.
I just read over 30 pages about the Nubia site. There are so many people posting in that thread that are totally stupid. They don't get it at all...Nubia is not 'redistributing' quick pages. When designers refer to 'redistributing' they are talking about the papers, elements or quick pages themselves (ie the scrapbooking supplies), not the finished low resolution page. If anything, what Nubia is doing is closer to S4O IMO.
She's creating cards and posting them to her blog (and in some cases emailing the finished cards to her email list). It's really no different than scrappers posting finished layouts on their blogs or sending them via email for others to see.
Some of the DST people look like idiots (like lizzyfizzy, Grahamlikethecracker, and lilcameronsmommy). They are calling Nubia stupid, when in fact, they are the ones that don't 'get it'.
And M2M started the whole thing by accusing her of copying a layout when in fact, M2M had offered it as a quick page. M2M kept insisting a layout was copied and is responsible for starting a mass-mobbing of hate-mail.
Thankfully, there are a few people who are posting that seem to understand...people like sweetmade, sorashell, carinspixels, LissaEDesigns and Canay.
And the other thing I don't get...why is it okay for _she and Fulloflife to use other's photos, but it's not okay for other people? And why is it okay for vanilladesigns to share her finished pages in an email group, but it's not okay for Nubia? It seems to me that they were doing the exact same thing (posting a low-res finished product to an email group).
Even if what Nubia is doing is classed as S4O, she can only do that if the TOU of the quickpages she is using state that it is okay. Personal Use does not cover making items and sharing them with other people whether they be low or high resolution.
S4O also usually has a stipulation on how many can be distributed. Most are around 100 - not the 25,000 Nubia is sending them to.
I wouldn't categorise my designers by exclusive/nonexclusive, I would put a label on the kits. You know, how some people put a little "new!" sign by the latest releases? And I would probably make it possible to search for exclusive kits in the store search, too. That would be good!
Some of the DST people look like idiots (like lizzyfizzy, Grahamlikethecracker, and lilcameronsmommy). They are calling Nubia stupid, when in fact, they are the ones that don't 'get it'.
They all read here so they're just joining a witch hunt after reading about it on this blog.
Even if what Nubia is doing is classed as S4O, she can only do that if the TOU of the quickpages she is using state that it is okay. Personal Use does not cover making items and sharing them with other people whether they be low or high resolution.
S4O also usually has a stipulation on how many can be distributed. Most are around 100 - not the 25,000 Nubia is sending them to.
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This is a good point, in which case Nubia may be violating the TOU of the Quick Pages. But, that is certainly a lesser crime than 'theft' 'pirating' , 'stealing people's work', Copying layouts and all the other things she's been accused of in that thread.
And if this is true, then personal use should also not include making a printed card and giving it away. This means that all the hybrid scrappers should be using S4H or S4O products unless they are keeping everything for themselves.
And it seems that Vanilladesignz was doing the exact same thing as Nubia. Here is her quote: "Here is the Original of this Layout created by me with a QP from Mimilou. She removed my Watermark.
I realized that this Nubia is a Member of my Yahoogroup where I share my Stationery for incredimail.I have banned her now !!!"
So if I understand the above, VanillaDesignz takes a QP, adds a photo to it, adds her own watermark, to make Stationary, then redistributes it to a Yahoogroup? Isn't this the same EXACT thing?
Another thing - in that example that bml posted on Page 21: I'd like to know if that baby photo is by the scrapper or if it's some sort copyrighted baby photo. I'd like to see if the scrapper gave credit to the photographer if it was not her own photo. I have no idea, but I'm tired of the hypocrisy.
This is another example of the need for more standardization in TOU. Many TOU's don't mention S4O at all. I've gotten to the point that I avoid designers that don't allow S4O or have other non-standard restrictions. And I don't buy CU items that have restrictions such as not using them for freebies or not using them for templates (for example - using the item to create a shape for use in a layered template). When I design a kit, what happens if I want to offer some or part of it in the future as a freebie or a posting bonus? I don't want to be stuck.
I especially don't understand all the strict restrictions on S4H (like not selling over the internet, requiring each S4H product to be created specifically for one individual, or limiting the number of items that can be sold). It's not like S4H scrappers are getting rich - in fact, I think it's pretty hard to make any profit at all given the amount of time it takes to create a customer layout or album. What are the designers afraid of? The designers should WANT S4H scrappers to be successful and sell a lot. If your customers are successful, then YOU will be more successful.
Pretty soon dress designers will tell us we can buy their clothes but we can't wear them while we make money!
It is all getting just ludicrous.
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If the TOU don't state S4O/S4H or CU then it's pretty safe to say the item is for Personal Use only which should be a no brainer.
This is the main reason that I've given up on the idea of trying any kind of S4H business. The restrictions by many designers make it impossible to ever hope to make any decent money.
The restriction that really irks me is when they say that each layout has to be custom-made for ONE specific customer. Many don't allow a layout artist to create a generic page and then customize it for different customers. They say this is the same as creating and selling a QP, however it IS NOT the same thing (You aren't distributing a PNG file which allows the client to use multiple times for multiple layouts). The S4H layout artist is designing a page, and then customizing it for clients with photos, journaling, embellishments etc. They are delivering a flattened jpeg to their client. I don't understand why designers would have a problem with this.
The other restriction that irks me is restrictions over selling over the internet. Huh? It makes one feel that the designers don't really want S4H to ever become a viable business. Don't they see the opportunity? There's a large population that will never learn to scrap for themselves. The S4h layout artists could help bridge this gap.
The other restriction I don't understand is people that sell CU items, but won't let you use them for Freebies or template making. I wanted to create a template that included some stitches, but I couldn't find any CU stitches that could be used with a template. Why this restriction???? What is the difference between using CU stitches in a kit, or using CU stitches as part of a layered template? I just don't get it!
My problem isn't that this Nubia person is redistributing quick pages or whatever, it's the irony of her/him/it bitching about modifying 'their' designs and putting a freakin' watermark on it to make such more difficult. I don't think what they're doing is fine, either, but if it were my stuff I'd likely just ask nicely for attribution and credit, some of which she already seems to be doing. It's not as bad as straight up pirating, but I can see how it could be a bit annoying as well. The bottom line is this sort of thing is always going to be an issue with digital stuff and there's no easy way to stop it. Some jerks are going to abuse it, some assholes are going to pirate it, and the majority of people are probably going to do the right thing.
Royanna Fristchmann's luck doesn't seem to have changed any.
http://www.divinedigital.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11151
WTF is it with this woman? I feel so sorry for her kids.
You have to log on to see it. Please cut and paste.
"We are going through a very tough time here at home right now.
For those who don't know we lost our home again and are being
forced to move yet again...this is like the 6th time since my husbands
terrible accident that we have had to move! Anyhow, we have no place
to go, sales have been so slow because of economy and summer upon
us.... so we are moving our things into a storage unit and will be living
out of our car - alternating with a homeless shelter/motel and going
friends to friends - until we can get back on our feet. "
And guess what, she's having another Buy My Store sale...
Another peeve of mine is that some stores sort their product by alphabetical order and not by the date added. They also don't allow you to sort them by designer.
If Designer A adds their Zoo Kit today, it is listed right at the end where by their Animal Kit is 6 months old but at the top of the listing. There is no way of sorting that designers list to "Date Added". Those are the stores I couldn't be bothered trying to sort through.
July 5, 2009 11:38 PM
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Oh yes, I really hate that! BIG pet peeve here!
Vanilla Designz is the biggest hypocrite out today, using deviant artwork for her Incredimail headers/letters, putting watermarks on everything she makes even if it isn't hers, I don't get why she joined in on that conversation in the first place, good for Nubia for ousting her, Vanilla needs to shut her little trap up and give credit where it is due, as we now see she isn't that talented if she uses quick page freebies for lo / ct work. Makes you want to think...
Vanilla If you are reading here – SHUT up and SHAPE up! I could post 50% of your Incredimail letter creations as QUESTIONABLE and with NO CREDIT to those awesome pictures you love to use from DA.
.... so we are moving our things into a storage unit and will be living
out of our car - alternating with a homeless shelter/motel and going
friends to friends - until we can get back on our feet. "
If that is true, it really is very sad and yes, I agree - especially for their children. :(
But it seems odd to me that someone who is in the process of putting all their things into storage to alternate between car, homeless shelter, and friends would be able to (and have time and resources to) run a website and stay in touch via e-mails, ads, facebook, twitter, etc.... ?
July 6, 2009 3:49 PM
and..Just last month or so she was talking about being at the Disney land for the weekend on Twitter
shes a lier, didn't she say she was gonna be homeless for Christmas?
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.... so we are moving our things into a storage unit and will be living
out of our car - alternating with a homeless shelter/motel and going
friends to friends - until we can get back on our feet. "
If that is true, it really is very sad and yes, I agree - especially for their children. :(
But it seems odd to me that someone who is in the process of putting all their things into storage to alternate between car, homeless shelter, and friends would be able to (and have time and resources to) run a website and stay in touch via e-mails, ads, facebook, twitter, etc.... ?
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Wasn't it just the other day that this blog blasted designers and store-owners for 'disappearing' off the face of the planet and saying it's no excuse for a business owner not to keep her customers updated of her absence due to family issues?
I don't know Royanna or Divine Digital, but it seems to me as if she is making an effort to let everyone know what's going on. There are lots of places you can get free wi-fi internet access to do that.
There's a difference between designers disappearing for whatever reason and being in dire financial distress. If this person really is homeless, she'd need to be designing as much as she can and staying in contact regularly as to try and keep money coming in. I can't stand sob stories like that they tend to smell a little bit scammy to me. Then again, I am not one to scrounge for sympathy and discuss my personal situation with customers, strangers or anyone outside my family and close friends. I guess some people are like that.
10:46 "What is the difference between using CU stitches in a kit, or using CU stitches as part of a layered template? I just don't get it!"
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The difference is that CU stitches are expected to be flattened onto an object and not just "as is" with a template. Adding CU stitches to a template is considered redistributing I guess. Very frustrating. I hardly think anyone is going to buy a set of templates just to get the stitching to use on other things but that's just the way it is.
Anonymous said...
Royanna Fristchmann's luck doesn't seem to have changed any.
http://www.divinedigital.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11151
WTF is it with this woman? I feel so sorry for her kids.
July 6, 2009 12:18 PM
JMO but maybe if her quality wasn't so CRAP her sales might be better. She's had some good ideas in the past, just poorly executed.
And when she does get any kind of feedback, its "Woe is me, my life sucks, I do the best I can."
WV - resses. Royanna should resses from designing until she's learnt her craft and can produce quality products.
When I was designing and the whole S4O was coming in, I used to get asked all the time what my restrictions were. I told everyone that as long as they weren't selling my original product 'as is', they were okay to do what that wanted within the whole S4O. If they wanted to use the product for CU purposes, they would just have to contact me again. Most of the time, there were no restrictions for CU either, it was mostly paying me extra for the privilege.
I was of the opinion, they bought it, it's theirs to use. Imagine me having to contact the yarn company because I wanted to make products to sell? Sheesh, I can understand clearing it with the pattern maker if I was using a pattern, but if I wasn't, why do I need to contact the yarn company? Same thing as far as I'm concerned.
But it seems odd to me that someone who is in the process of putting all their things into storage to alternate between car, homeless shelter, and friends would be able to (and have time and resources to) run a website and stay in touch via e-mails, ads, facebook, twitter, etc.... ?
July 6, 2009 3:49 PM
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It makes sense to me. It's probably the only 'normal' thing she has in her life right now. It's probably one of the few things that's keeping her from going off the edge. Growing up, my family was in some pretty dire circumstances but there would also be one luxury to keep things sane.
Where can you find this information?? (Looking up how many unique visitors each site has)?
Thanks in advance
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Lots of places, if you search for them. One I like is:
http://siteanalytics.compete.com
For free, you can see unique visitors and visits, also allows comparisons of up to 3 sites. Again, not sure if/how either of these relate to actual sales, but as a designer I like to know a little more about a store or digi-portal thing before I sign up. Call me paranoid, but some owners claim a lot of things so I like to do my homework a bit. Plus, interesting to see the trends out there.
Vanilla If you are reading here – SHUT up and SHAPE up! I could post 50% of your Incredimail letter creations as QUESTIONABLE and with NO CREDIT to those awesome pictures you love to use from DA.
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I truly think that it should become a STANDARD part of credits to include a 'photo' credit with all layouts. I'm seeing SO many layouts with photos that look extremely professional these days...but there's no way of knowing for sure. And, I feel silly making comments about how 'spectacular' a photo is if the scrapper didn't even create it. KWIM? For example, does anyone know FOR SURE whether 'She_' or 'bml' uses their own photos? If not, where did these amazing photos come from?
I think this was the point Nubia was trying to make. She was shot down for using quickpages she found on the web, adding her message and then her logo. People would likely think she was responsible for the whole design because of that (and because of the fact that she didn't credit the original QP designer).
She then mentioned something to the effect that lots of scrappers posting at DST were using stock photos on their layouts and not crediting the original photographer.
It is hypocrisy to slam her for doing more or less the same thing they themselves continue doing.
Yeah, I cringed at their holier-than-thou attitude while reading that thread.
Many of the photographers of those stock photos do NOT allow their images to be used that way. Still, they make it to the GSO thread and nobody flinches....
I can't believe that the Nubia thread had more responses than the Amanda D one. I was impressed with Nubia's responses and keeping her cool during all of the thread. I can only imagine the emails & pms that she has received.
I'd like to know the designer's name who threatened to 'take her out' for using a web quality image. What would "designer" do if she caught Nubia downloading & pirating one of her kits? Would she 'take out the entire family?'
I've been in the digiscrapping community for 5 years. Five years of educating the customers on what they can & cannot do with the products. Designers can be banned, forgiven & forgotten for their transgressions. Let an outsider like Nubia come in & look what happened to her.
She then mentioned something to the effect that lots of scrappers posting at DST were using stock photos on their layouts and not crediting the original photographer.
It is hypocrisy to slam her for doing more or less the same thing they themselves continue doing.
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If stock photos are in the public domaine they don't always have the photographers name. I use a lot of stock and I have no idea who the photographer is and there is no way to find out.
If stock photos are in the public domaine they don't always have the photographers name. I use a lot of stock and I have no idea who the photographer is and there is no way to find out.
July 6, 2009 9:45 PM
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Why can't you find out? Where do you find these stocks photos? If you download them from yahoo groups or other pirate sharing groups, of course, you won't find the photographer's name. *eyeroll*
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