Too busy to keep up with the digi scene.
Out turning tricks to make sure I have 20 bucks for each of my 5 kids so I can go to Walmart later and shop the after Christmas sales when the picked over crap is on sale so my kids can have the best Christmas ever. Thanks to my loyal customers, you are the best!
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Is it just me, or do Ruby's kits always looked like a lot of repackaged Dover clipart?
http://shop.scrapbookgraphics.com/product.php?productid=27201&cat=0&page=1
January 28, 2010 3:53 PM
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Geez, all altered art kits look like that. Pick on someone else for a change.
I use Dover, for sure. I also use ephemera images from other PD and licensed sources, and scans from my own collection. Nothing gets used 'right out of the box', if it were it would be completely unusable for scrapping or digital art. In addition, comfortably the majority of each kit is hand drawn or otherwise created by me personally.
The proportion of Dover and other PD/licensed ephemera in my kits is no higher than any other altered art style kit designer. But thanks for the ad, much appreciated.
8:12 here... definitely wasn't trying to be passive. There are, in fact, people who will only donate if they are getting something tangible in return. If you're not one of them, then it wasn't directed at you and you can calm down.
Ruby's kit looks perfect for people that are into Art Journal and ATCs. And there's a huge following in Tangie's Art Journal Caravan that started at the beginning of the year...there's already over 800 layouts (with over 11,000 comments) posted and it's only January! Ruby's kit is very fitting.
ooops...meant to post a link:
http://www.scrapbookgraphics.com/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=3500
Although I'm not into altered art myself, I appreciate it and find it interesting.
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I find it interesting that some people think throwing a bunch of 'altered' stuff on a page is altered art or art journaling, while others really know what it's about and it's so obvious from just looking at the thumbnails.
Have you noticed how slow DST is lately? Hardly any threads at all. Where did everybody go???
Can you guys recommend any digi sites that have a busier message board? Nice mix of helpful info & chatter?
Thanks :)
The same could be said for scrapbooking 12.20, so what's your point?
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What's your point?
You show me yours and I'll show you mine :)
Have you noticed how slow DST is lately? Hardly any threads at all. Where did everybody go???
Can you guys recommend any digi sites that have a busier message board? Nice mix of helpful info & chatter?
Thanks :)
I wish I knew. Not only is DST slow message-wise, I can't even get it to load half the time. If Shannon (if, haha) has lost interest, I wish she would sell/give it to someone who gives a crap.
I'm not on any CT's and I like a bunch of different stores, so I enjoyed being at the 'hub'.
ick. some of that "altered" stuff is hideous and creepy. looks like what that bad kid Sid in Toy Story did to his toys. At least in the paper world, you had to DO more to get your stuff "altered". I made some altered books and you have to get in there and get messy. Too much digi altered art stuff IS just plunked onto the blank canvas. NOT art. NOT altered. Just creepy
That's not the fault of 'altered art' as a genre though, that's just laziness (or inability, or lack of confidence) on the part of the people trying to get into it. Just the same as element vomit and cluster overload in digi scrapping aren't really scrapping and can be simply hideous. It's the users, not the genre. But everyone has to start somewhere.
Well I'd say that's why they're taking a class! LOL! If they were experts at altered art, then they wouldn't be paying to take a class now would they? They are LEARNING. And it's probably something that will come easily for some and not for others. I'd venture to guess that if you looked through the 800+ layouts posted, you'd find some true art in there.
But all that aside, the thing that impresses me most is how the group is supporting one another with comments and encouragement. I think that sort of 'community' is what's missing from most sites that are just focused on making sales. My impression is that SBG is about supporting people in their art, whatever form that takes. Sort of makes me wish I would've signed up for Tangie's class...although I'm just not that interested in altered art myself.
So who bought Scrapable and then shut it down?
I wonder if that KutnKudly cow has had any offers for Scraphead yet LOL
Scraphead still is around?? Are there any designers there LOL
Well I'd say that's why they're taking a class! LOL! If they were experts at altered art, then they wouldn't be paying to take a class now would they? They are LEARNING.
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First, it's not a class. Second, that is the most ignorant statement I have ever heard in my life. Even 'experts' will know that there is always more to learn. If you think you are beyond learning and taking classes, then you are no longer any good. Any artist will tell you that.
At least in the paper world, you had to DO more to get your stuff "altered".
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Really? I don't think so. I've seen a ton of paper 'altered' art that is also just stuff plunked down. It's no different from some of the digi stuff.
So who bought Scrapable and then shut it down?
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I've been dying to know. I'm wondering what's going on now because the forums are back.
Maybe the new owner was just changing things around a bit before revealing. Not everything has to be a conspiracy or have a hidden agenda LOL
Mscraps is open. Thoughts ladies?
To me there isn't much variety there. For the most part they all have the same style. Nothing is really jumping out at me but I haven't gotten to look around much yet.
haven't been here in a while, thanks for the chuckle, the 'oh my is this person serious?' moments and for making me feel grateful that although not deeply in the black we have what we need and a few extras (I'm referring to economy, Haiti).
Now, now, Ruby Rudeness - aren't you being a bit greedy seeking earnings like that? I thought you were anti-capitalism.
-- Anne of Green Gables
(Not global-warming GREEN, either. That's Al Gore BUNK.)
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You don't believe in climate change, or you don't believe in Al Gore?
Al Gore? Does anyone believe that man? What a windbag
Looks like Scrapable has (another?) new owner(s)? I can't keep up.
I don't understand why a person buys a store, closes it down and then sells it again. Where is the logic in that?
Maybe she sold it at a profit.
Some "designers" really suck! They steal a photo, they extract it badly and then they say it's a CU item (for taggers, but still awful):
http://pimp-your-tags.blogspot.com/2010/01/cu-freebie-lil-felties.html
After a little search, I found those:
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=36382225&ref=sr_gallery_1&&ga_search_query=turtle+felt&ga_search_type=handmade&ga_page=&includes[]=tags&includes[]=title
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?ref=sr_gallery_1&listing_id=38248944&ga_search_query=dog&ga_search_type=user_shop_ttt_id_38121
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=38640318&ref=sr_gallery_5&&ga_search_query=felt+owl+blue&ga_search_type=handmade&ga_page=&includes[]=tags&includes[]=title
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=38568430&ref=sr_gallery_15&&ga_search_query=ice+cream+felt+pink&ga_search_type=handmade&ga_page=&includes[]=tags&includes[]=title
LOL as if it's shocking news that Cora is a pirate.
Yea no shocker there.You need to notify the Etsy sellers. Not just post it on an anon blog.
There's simply no shame, dignity or humility in designing anymore. I have been so turned off by the whole thing since I started designing.
This is supposed to be a form of art. Designers are supposed to be artists. Every time I see a kit filled with nothing but CU (which is questionable in where it came from, anyway) and then I see that kit pimped out everywhere by these designers thinking it's SOOO awesome and they didn't do anything but rename a bunch of files and zip them up, I just get sick a little.
Um Cora doesnt design anymore. I dont think pimp your tags is her. Just cause it looks alike doesnt mean its from Etsy. I see ALOT of things in kits that resemble things from there but it dont mean its from there. KWIM?
Maybe the new owner was just changing things around a bit before revealing. Not everything has to be a conspiracy or have a hidden agenda LOL
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Go read the Scrapable blog. There's definitely some sort of drama going on behind the scenes.
http://www.pimpyourscrapbook.com/
Same Cora.
Um Cora doesnt design anymore. I dont think pimp your tags is her.
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It says posted by Cora Evans. So what there is another Cora Evans who uses the word Pimp in her design name?
Dont be so rude! That was the last I heard. So what something looks like an item on Etsy. I see alot of things in KITS that look like things on Etsy. BORING!!
I'd like to hear more about Scrapable or Scraphead.
Some designers need to learn how to recolor the right way before trying to sell the items in a kit. The quality is shitty.
ITA 9:45. Gah it really pisses me off.
Some designers need to learn a lot more than how to recolor before selling anything. If they can't even recolor something correctly, they need to rethink what they're doing.
Dont be so rude! That was the last I heard. So what something looks like an item on Etsy. I see alot of things in KITS that look like things on Etsy. BORING!!
I'd like to hear more about Scrapable or Scraphead.
January 30, 2010 1:04 PM
Hey, it doesn't just look like it, it is the same thing, stolen and extracted!!! Why shouldn't you care? Maybe because you do the same thing?
Who cares about Scraphead...
Hey, it doesn't just look like it, it is the same thing, stolen and extracted!!! Why shouldn't you care? Maybe because you do the same thing?
Who cares about Scraphead...
January 30, 2010 3:41 PM
LOL I dont design or extract!! I will leave the shitty designs for the ones that are already on sale in some shops thank you!
And no I really dont care. I don't use her stuff. It really doesn't affect me. Besides I don't feel like playing scrapcop today, it's the weekend.
Some designers need to learn a lot more than how to recolor before selling anything. If they can't even recolor something correctly, they need to rethink what they're doing.
January 30, 2010 2:46 PM
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You'd think so, wouldn't you and yet there are quite a few very successful designers who don't know how to do this, amongst other things they don't know how to do.
How many successful designers are there though really? All I hear is how the freebies are ruining the market and how no one can make any money. Is is true? Isn't anyone buying anything or is the only stuff that's really selling CU?
Scrapable was bought by Doohikey Designs when it went up for sale earlier. Then looks like she sold it to the person who shut it down. Now most recently bought by My Creative Pixels, (who just opened a shop at Sun so I'm guessing she'll be closing down there), and Kandy Kane Creations
There are still plenty of designers who make a decent living on their designs. I don't do it for a full-time wage, but a part time to supplement our family's income. I have quite a few designers friends who are making decent, full-time incomes with their designing. While we'd all love to make more, and the economy and buying habits have affected our sales, we're not gone. I actually did better this year than in all the years I've been designing previously.
How many successful designers are there though really? All I hear is how the freebies are ruining the market and how no one can make any money. Is is true? Isn't anyone buying anything or is the only stuff that's really selling CU?
January 30, 2010 10:24 PM
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I'm not crying, I can tell you that. The market is doing much better than it was doing this time last year.
Sure, the designer stable is quite large, but hey, that's capitalism for you. Excel and you will succeed. Make a mark, create your style and find your niche. And work your tail off.
dang! WTH is wrong with DST?! As an advertiser, I'd be spittin' mad!
"I have quite a few designers friends who are making decent, full-time incomes with their designing."
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What do you consider a decent full-time income for digi designers?
Anyone?
I guess it depends where you live in the world. USD 3k per month upwards I guess. For a Brazilian (for example), a decent full time income could be a lot less than that, for Scandinavians it might be a fair bit more. But I know at least a couple who make more than twice that, and I reckon that's definitely a very good full time income for a home based job, wherever you live.
Well I'd say that's why they're taking a class! LOL! If they were experts at altered art, then they wouldn't be paying to take a class now would they? They are LEARNING.
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First, it's not a class. Second, that is the most ignorant statement I have ever heard in my life. Even 'experts' will know that there is always more to learn. If you think you are beyond learning and taking classes, then you are no longer any good. Any artist will tell you that.
You totally missed the point. People were criticizing the participants in Tangie's Art Journal Caravan by saying things like: "some people think throwing a bunch of 'altered' stuff on a page is altered art or art journaling, while others really know what it's about..."
I was simply trying to point out that the participants are trying to learn about altered art journaling and are not experts at it (at least the ones I know who are excited to dive into the world of Art Journaling because it's new to them).
I wasn't meaning to state an opinion on whether artists can or should stop learning. You've got such a know-it-all attitude with your "Any artist will tell you that" statement.
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Wow, you can tell what kind of person I am by one statement? That I'm a "know-it-all" (gotta love that, haven't heard that since middle school)
Geez, you must be a know it all too, then, huh?
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Yeah guess so. I can tell that you're argumentative, hostile, and smug.
Now this is one heckuva nice Charity Kit- "Port au Prince" at Songbird Ave:
http://www.songbirdavenue.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=59
Nice price too.
eh - it's ok.
So...FPD is for sale...
So who was the person that bought scrapable and then shut it down? I see it's been re-bought and back up - great! But who's the original nutcase that bought a store just to shut it down?
So...FPD is for sale...
February 1, 2010 9:09 AM
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Is this posted somewhere?
DCR, but Traci posted that it was closing in Scrap Talk. According to the DCR post they would like to sell if possible, but will be closing anyway if they don't get a buyer.
My mistake, she posted the public message in Announcements, not Scrap Talk.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=228540
Thanks for the link to the Songbird Ave kit. I think it's beautiful! I already bought the One Love kit (thanks to this blog) and now I've bought the Songbird Ave one too. It's going to Doctors Without Borders, which I love!
When you and your family sleep in the car, is there any room left for 3,000 rubber stamps? Just wondering...
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Yeah guess so. I can tell that you're argumentative, hostile, and smug.
February 1, 2010 7:06 AM
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You should stop speaking of yourself.
My mistake, she posted the public message in Announcements, not Scrap Talk.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=228540
February 1, 2010 10:54 AM
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Have to love the hypocrisy of former designers expressing sadness at the closing.
I have to ask, if the store has thousands of customers, why sell? TLP opened at the same time, and are going strong, so why not FPD?
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I haven't been to DST in weeks because last time I went I couldn't get in. So I am trying to get to Traci's post and can't get in. Seriously this is ridiculous. I would think it is my computer but I am here aren't I??
If others are experiencing the same thing it is no wonder the message boards are dead over there.
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I've been having the same problem for the last two or three months. It is ridiculous, considering that the traffic over there is down by half, if not more and that' before not being able to get in half the time.
I'm so f***ing tired of DST being slow. RIDICULOUS!
FPD closing/for sale is also in their newsletter.
wonder how much they plan to sell it for now that most of the designers have already left
Didn't FPD just have a designer call?
You all make me laugh - your all talking about a bunch of crap - whining and bitching. You all are hoot, sad that some of you have nothing better to do with your time don't you have family and children, jobs, something to keep yourself busy with. Is your life's so sad you need to come in and spread your nastiness. Whenever I need a wake up call - I come in here and my life don't seem so bad.
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Ever hear of free time? I'm not tied to my family, children and job 24/7. So sorry that you are, and yet you have enough time to call us out. What a sad and pathetic person you are.
Edeline Designs has moved again!
Maybe, just maybe, she should realize by now it's her designs and not the store that's at fault.
I don't know Edeline but you seem to. Mind elaborating? What's wrong with her designs? Is it just that you don't like her style? Or what?
I don't know who that is, either. Where'd she move from / to?
She's at SBE. And so is Shellyrae Cusbert.
I seriously think Edeline is addicted to the move. Most designers see a bump in sales when they move stores - new folks, new pastures, etc., but when the sales slow down and the new factor is gone, she ups and move again. I can't believe with as many stores as she has been in, that it's always been the store's fault.
she could try guest spots? lol
Has she actually blamed stores for low sales? or are you assuming? Not being snarky here, just wondering.
No Edeline never blamed any stores for her sales! She just wants more sales thats why she moved from one store to three new ones.
Isn't leaving a store in order to get more sales at another the same as blaming the first one for not enough sales? :P
I have to ask, if the store has thousands of customers, why sell? TLP opened at the same time, and are going strong, so why not FPD?
You're assuming TLP is going strong. You're assuming FPD has thousands of customers. You would really be surprised if you crunched the numbers. It's a ton of work for very little reward. I've seen things go from their heights a couple of years ago when you could release a kit and make $1000 the first day to the point that the very same kit today may only sell one or two copies a week. Quality has gotten so much better, but you can only charge so much for your designs. Customers demand more for less money. Designers refuse to do anything but whine and complain about how they aren't making sales. A few years of that crap will suck the life out of you.
SA is exclusive. Edeline wanted to be able to sell in more than one store. So she had to leave.
Anybody know how much Tracy and Corina want for FPD? Just curious. I've looked around, and the prices some people think they can get are really out there. What would you pay for it?
But SA isn't the only store edeline has been in..she's flitted through alot of the majors.
You're assuming TLP is going strong. You're assuming FPD has thousands of customers.
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No, I'm not assuming FPD has thousands of customers, that is a direct quote from Traci, one of the owners.
I am assuming that TLP is going strong, but the fact that very few designers leave there, and that they take very few on board would indicate they are happy with the status quo. I can therefore infer that they are doing well.
You would really be surprised if you crunched the numbers. It's a ton of work for very little reward.
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No, I wouldn't. It's one of the reasons I have never wanted to own a digi store, or any kind of "cottage" industry. In most cases, you are rarely going to get back what you put in.
Didn't FPD just have a designer call?
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IDK but if they did that has to suck for any new designers there.
No, I'm not assuming FPD has thousands of customers, that is a direct quote from Traci, one of the owners.
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That is a direct quote from someone trying to make some money by selling her business.
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I know that but the point was, I was not assuming it, I was merely quoting :)
It's quite obvious they don't have thousands of customers. They don't even have any fans on their FPD FB page.
I am assuming that TLP is going strong, but the fact that very few designers leave there, and that they take very few on board would indicate they are happy with the status quo. I can therefore infer that they are doing well.
Or maybe they're just tired of moving around. Most of those designers have sold at other stores, some have sold at several other stores. There aren't any other stores they can move to!
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I would disagree with that. Some of them may have, but not most, not by a long shot.
If they had thousands of customers, they wouldn't be in such a hurry to shut it down, I'd think.
Although, all the customers in the world don't do you much good without designers. However, why would the designers have left if there were thousands of customers?
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There may be thousands of customers on the store database, but that doesn't mean they are thousands of repeat customers, does it?
How's that saying go? A lie of omission is still a lie.
Thousands of people that show up for a freebie. ;)
what would you consider a successful store, customer base wise? I wonder from time to time when I'm shopping at my favourite stores how many sales they make per week, per month ... hmm.
I actually think that both Traci and Corinna are more interested and involved in their respective photography businesses.
It even looks as though Corinna is no longer designing for Prima. She doesn't have the link on her blog anymore.
That doesn't explain why they'd say "we're closing whether it sells or not". I doubt their photography businesses are doing so well that money means nothing to them anymore. I would think they'd still want to try to sell the store and get what money they can out of it. A bit confused about why they wouldn't try to sell it first, rather than starting out by announcing it's closure, though.
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Maybe slowing down their pace in life is more important than money.
lol k
Well, what's the point in having a ton of money if you are too sick or tired to enjoy it? None as far as I can see.
I'd rather be a little poorer and happy, than a little richer and over worked.
I agree there's more to life than money. But that doesn't mean you should just throw it away. It takes no more time to sell the site for $1k than it does to shut it down completely.
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Agreed, but maybe they just want to be rid of it. Maybe they've been wanting out for a while and just made the decision to close by a certain date, whether or not it's sold.
It might be financial in the other direction, eg hosting renewal date and they don't want to pay for another year/x years, so their are closing to avoid a big bill.
Maybe they should just have a big 'Going out of Business' sale, close it down and then open it up in a month under a new name and a new list of designers (like the Oriental rug stores on the corner).
That would probably be a good strategy in this community, where everyone can't wait to jump on the new latest and greatest store. And in the end, it's all just the same old same old.
Miss Tiina has been caught selling CU products that are copied. One specific: designs copyrighted by IKEA. DUH!
Miss Tiina has been caught selling CU products that are copied. One specific: designs copyrighted by IKEA. DUH!
February 3, 2010 2:19 PM
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Tell me more! Where did you read that?
So Traci's drop shadow actions are not available at FPD? I thought that is where I bought them before??
They are here http://tracimurphydesigns.com/store/
I have bought a LOT of Miss Tiina's stuff and would like to know if what I have now is legit. PLEASE post info
I've seen the evidence, it is legit. Not sure how to post it here without getting myself wrapped up in the controversy. You will notice a lot of her vectors have now been removed from her store.
I just checked her store and a lot of her stuff looks like things I have seen elsewhere by someone else, especially her fonts. I know that a lot of fonts do look alike but I think being 'inspired' by one and making one almost identical and selling it for CU is tacky.
I've seen the evidence, it is legit. Not sure how to post it here without getting myself wrapped up in the controversy. You will notice a lot of her vectors have now been removed from her store.
February 3, 2010 4:39 PM
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I understand how you feel but if no one releases the proof, she will keep doing the same thing. She has been for years!
Do you think designers who take other peoples works and sell them for CU should be tarred and feathered and disgraced from the digi community?
Shouldn't there be a logical assumption that a "designer" selling CU items actually designed the CU item?
How scary is it that the customer has no assurance that what they are buying is legitimate. I think given the huge amount of issues relating to CU items, I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. I would much rather put out less quantity of my own work and have the confidence that my reputation is intact.
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There's nothing wrong with purchasing CU, just make sure you aren't purchasing it from the digi scrap community. It's sad for the few legit CU designers, but so many have been shown to be fishy.
If you bought stuff from Miss Tina, is it really that big of a deal? If it is, could you explain to me why? I'm a regular scrapper, not a designer, so I'm curious.
Would scrappers who unknowingly bought kits made with stolen stuff be expected to delete the items? I'm sympathetic, but not willing to delete something I bought in good faith.
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No, scrappers are not expected to delete their stuff.
However, designers who bought the CU in good faith will not be able to use it, they should get their money back.
There's nothing wrong with purchasing CU, just make sure you aren't purchasing it from the digi scrap community. It's sad for the few legit CU designers, but so many have been shown to be fishy.
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That's a pile of bullshit. Don't purchase from the digiscrap community? Who else would you purchase CU from? I think I know who you are ..... you're pretty full of yourself aren't you.
Many digi scrap designers produce great CU and they aren't pirating anything. So why don't you shove your blanket, incredibly wrong generalizations up your ass.
Yes, Jagarwoman, shut the fuck up.
Do you think designers who take other peoples works and sell them for CU should be tarred and feathered and disgraced from the digi community?
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February 3, 2010 5:59 PM
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Yes, I do!
Once can be called a mistake but in Miss Tiina's case, she has been selling other's people work for a long time. She takes an image on the web (a clipart, a stock photo, etc) and trace over it and/or turn it into a vector. That's not called designing. Moreover, most of these images are copyrighted. The only reason she is still in the digiscrap community is because she is friend with some big names and they keep making collabs with her and advertising for her stuff.
That's a pile of bullshit. Don't purchase from the digiscrap community? Who else would you purchase CU from? I think I know who you are ..... you're pretty full of yourself aren't you.
Many digi scrap designers produce great CU and they aren't pirating anything. So why don't you shove your blanket, incredibly wrong generalizations up your ass.
February 3, 2010 10:07 PM
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Simmer down, okay?
I find it hysterical that you think that the only place to purchase CU is from the digi scrap community.
You have no clue who I am. However, I know that you are a narrow minded idiot with a temper.
Yes, Jagarwoman, shut the fuck up.
February 3, 2010 10:16 PM
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You know, you may think you know who is posting here but when you say it out aloud, it just makes you look like an idiot.
ok so what is the deal with Miss Tiina?
Why was Amanda Dykan splashed all over DSA and no one is mentioning Miss T?
I want my money back!!!!!!!!
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Because apparently it depends on who a designer is, and who likes or doesn't like said designer. If the average scrapper outs someone, either the designers friends rush to attack the scrapper, or no one pays much attention anyway. There are all kinds of designers who copycat...but they have too many friends that back them up. Ruby had it in for Amanda Dykan and started a thread at DST, which then spilled over to DSA. Amanda didn't have the friends to back her up, so now she hides waiting for the next opportunity to strike.
wv: pardins: Some designers are given pardins when they are caught copying/pirating.
You know, you may think you know who is posting here but when you say it out aloud, it just makes you look like an idiot.
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You're either Jaguarwoman or one of her friends, period. You must think we're all pretty naive here to think otherwise.
We read your shit for days, trust me we know what you think of the digi community.
What I don't get are the witch hunters....Why spend HOURS and HOURS looking for a picture to see if someone copied it. Don't we have better things to do with our time, like take care of our children?
OMGOsh these smack blogs are liberating! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
So I take it that they aren't even giving heroic measures to DST anymore? It's twitching in the last throes of death?
Glad I never bought a diamond membership. I'd be plenty steamed about that right now.
anymore? They were before?
Difference with Amanda Dykan was I knew about it, and knew the facts of it. Since Feb 3 2.19 is the first I have heard of anything to do with Tiina, and I therefore know absolutely nothing facts-wise, I'm not really in a position to say anything about it, here or anywhere.
No favouritism about it, I can assure you.
^^ That was me.
She takes an image on the web (a clipart, a stock photo, etc) and trace over it and/or turn it into a vector.
Michelle Coleman's been doing the same thing for years!
now I am really curious as to what the deal with Tina is. Her guest and template girl have just up and left from her store, along with all the cute vector CU stuff she had.
Silence leaves nothing to believe except that she was in fact caught stealing/copying and its all being kept from the public.
So I take it that they aren't even giving heroic measures to DST anymore? It's twitching in the last throes of death?
Glad I never bought a diamond membership. I'd be plenty steamed about that right now.
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Crap...I just remembered I'm a Diamond member...DST better not close down!
And who in the world is jaguarwoman and why do you think it's her? Tell us the scoop!!!
The scoop?
Laitha used one of Jaguarwoman's items. Jaguar emailed Laitha about it. Laitha didn't like being told she had used the items in a way that wasn't permitted. Further emails were exchanged. Lathia didn't like being told that simply recolouring and item wasn't considered "making a DERIVITIVE" (ie: adding the item to something like a cluster so that it wasn't possible for people to extract it). Laitha wanted to read what SHE wanted to read in Jaguar's TOU. Laitha brought it to the public hoping to get people on her side. Jaguar stated her case. It went back and forth etc until Jaguar explicitly told Laitha to remove her stuff from all Laitha's kits. Laitha point blank refused and said she was leaving them in, threatened to resign from designing which Jaguar thought was hilarious. Mods finally locked the thread. Now those kits have been removed from stores. End of story.
people would rather cover it up than stick their neck out to out the person, and so it goes on
You're either Jaguarwoman or one of her friends, period. You must think we're all pretty naive here to think otherwise.
We read your shit for days, trust me we know what you think of the digi community.
February 4, 2010 6:51 AM
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Actually, I'm not either. You aren't going to believe me, so there's not point in denying it really, but I felt I had to set your straight.
When you assume, you look like an ass.
Don't we have better things to do with our time, like take care of our children?
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Why do I need go take care of my children 24/7? I really need to know because someone always come here and asks the regulars that.
Are you tied to your children all the time? Don't they go to bed or school or pre-school or day care or something?
Why was Amanda Dykan splashed all over DSA and no one is mentioning Miss T?
I want my money back!!!!!!!!
February 4, 2010 5:57 AM
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Speaking of Amanda, she is now going by the name Mandy Roberts.
The scoop?
Laitha used one of Jaguarwoman's items. Jaguar emailed Laitha about it. Laitha didn't like being told she had used the items in a way that wasn't permitted. Further emails were exchanged. Lathia didn't like being told that simply recolouring and item wasn't considered "making a DERIVITIVE" (ie: adding the item to something like a cluster so that it wasn't possible for people to extract it). Laitha wanted to read what SHE wanted to read in Jaguar's TOU. Laitha brought it to the public hoping to get people on her side. Jaguar stated her case. It went back and forth etc until Jaguar explicitly told Laitha to remove her stuff from all Laitha's kits. Laitha point blank refused and said she was leaving them in, threatened to resign from designing which Jaguar thought was hilarious. Mods finally locked the thread. Now those kits have been removed from stores. End of story.
February 4, 2010 3:22 PM
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Where exactly did she "take it to the public?"
She takes an image on the web (a clipart, a stock photo, etc) and trace over it and/or turn it into a vector.
Michelle Coleman's been doing the same thing for years!
February 4, 2010 10:50 AM
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Yes, she has. Including taking ideas from other designers and then making a poor copy of it.
Actually Laitha said she used the items from Jaquar in accordance with J's first TOU - Laitha bought the items many years ago. After reading everything they both wrote, I do think it was a misunderstanding on L's part, but L got pissed and started a thread to vent. Not a good idea as J got wind of it and came on with some nasty posting regarding 'digiscrap kitters' and how designers aren't really designers they're just reselling each others CU and she makes the best shit since she's a true artist (aka poser maker).
Both woman dug their heels in and the mods shut the thread down. I could actually see both sides, but this J woman was such a condescending bitch towards digital designers that I would never buy anything from her, aside from her poser crap.
You must think we're all pretty naive here to think otherwise.
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There are a lot people unhappy with the whole of the CU end of the digi scrap biz and to think it's only one person and her friends, well, that's pretty naive.
You must have a personal grudge against Jaguarwoman.
but this J woman was such a condescending bitch towards digital designers that I would never buy anything from her, aside from her poser crap.
February 4, 2010 4:27 PM
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There's a few 'old schoolers' from the early days of designing that have the same attitude.
I never liked J's stuff, so it's been no problem not buying from her.
Speaking of Amanda, she is now going by the name Mandy Roberts.
February 4, 2010 3:42 PM
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Is she selling anywhere?
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I don't know if she is still selling at that place, I can't remember the name, where she was put on and then taken off 'for inquiries', and then put back on again.
Mandy Roberts is the name she is using for her photography business, Mulberry Lane.
There are a lot people unhappy with the whole of the CU end of the digi scrap biz and to think it's only one person and her friends, well, that's pretty naive.
You must have a personal grudge against Jaguarwoman.
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I never heard of her before I read the thread. I did go to her website and look at her 'stuff' that she was advocating as being real art resources. I'm sorry, but there was a lot of poser stuff that anyone can render. Granted she made some really rockin flowers that are digitally painted - those looked good, but for her to insinuate that her designs were better than most of the 'digiscrap kitters' simply isn't true. Some are very pretty, but alot of designers also make their share of beautiful flowers or can extract a spectacular flower for a realistic look (which I personally like better anyway).
To be fair, there are lazy designers that are simply reusing CU and spreading it around, but this person kind of lumped everyone in the same catagory and that was uncalled for. She certainly has the right to state in her TOU what you can and cannot do with her items, but Laitha's beef was that the TOU that came with the original items she bought 2 years ago, was different. Although that was Laitha's contention, I was sympathetic to J's perception that the items were only recolored and not changed enough to suite her requirements. As I stated, I could see both sides UNTIL J really got on her high horse and looked down her nose at digital scrapbook designers or as she calls us 'scrapkitters'.
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I wrote what you replied to and I'm not sure why you replied the way you did.
You obviously didn't see my C&P where I was replying to the person who thought I must be either JaguarWoman or one of her friends
http://mulberrylanestudio.com/?pageID=382824
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Oh dear, this lady has balls of steel!
This is hyterical, from the Mulberry Lane blog:
"Our studio artist, Mandy Roberts, is attending The Art Institute of Pittsburgh, where she is studying to receive her Bachelors in Photography."
from the website:
"you can find me studying for the Art Institute of Philadelphia"
Why not the Art Institute of Phoenix, which at least is closer to Texas (I know the course could be by correspondence) and it's another Institute brought to you by the letter "P".
She must be taking online classes. The art institutes online division is run thru their pittsburgh campus.
I did mention that, but you are overlooking the fact that she mentions two different Institutes.
Check out the signatures on the photos on this page http://mulberrylanestudio.blogspot.com/2009_07_01_archive.html Clearly Amanda Dykan LOL
wv: betaming. There'll be no taming of her BS! LOL
Her facebook profile says "Amanda Roberts Dykan" so why wouldnt she use "Mandy Roberts" It is her name? Atleast its not fake like Lily Taylor. I mean, atleast its technicly really her name.
She used to be Amanda Dykan of Mulberry Lane Studios and now she is Mandy Roberts. It's obvious she is trying to hide her wrong doings. Using a Google search, the name Mandy Roberts is going to show up a ton of entries, while Amanda Dykan is going to show up nothing but her.
I just find it interesting.
Miss Tiina got caught tracing a stock image/art seller, along with some IKEA images which were embroidered on pillows. Some proof is passing around, so hopefully someone can share it here.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/93/206165753_ce73f549b3.jpg
http://www.kaboodle.com/reviews/friendship-brushes-cu
dress up cuties by tina that contained a frog, butterfly and firefly
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-illustration-4647527-green-frog.php
then she took these gifts and made her 'make a gift' cu pack
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=7904035
anyone else notice that faith pulled everything from tina's store (even though they had a huge cu deal going on that was advertised tons), and tina yanked almost all of her vector 'art'?
I wonder if this had anything to do with FPD's decision to just close.
I just read the whole LIatha/Jaguarwoman debate and I have to say that it seems like a misunderstanding between two different markets.
I do not think Laitha violated the original TOUs:
"Terms of Use: Jaguarwoman retains ownership and copyright to these images; you are licensing the right to use them under specific circumstances. You may use these images to create your own projects for personal or commercial projects, with no restrictions other than that you may not resell the package or the individual images as discrete, standalone products or include them in collections or PSP tubes for sale. This license is not transferrable."
I often buy CU items from digiscrap designers and I would interpret the above TOUs to mean that you can't offer the exact set of items as a package or stand-alone element set. I would have assumed that it's okay to use 1 item in a kit and recolor it. She doesn't even use the work 'derivative work' or 'modify' in the TOUs.
I believe when digiscrap designers offer CU products such as element sets, they understand that a person may take 1-2 items and put it in a kit as a standalone item. That's the point isn't it? So, that the kit maker doesn't have to make everything from scratch. For example, I just saw a large collection of staples being offered as CU. I assume that a designer could use 1-2 staples in a kit without making major modifications...after all, there's not that much you can do to a staple. I would not buy a product like that if I couldn't use a single image in a kit - I would not want to be forced to use it in a cluster.
If a digital designer offering CU items expects major modifications to the items, then that needs to be stated very clearly because most do not. That's why they will often add the clause about only using X number of items or x% in a kit.
I really wish other CU designers would have stepped in to make Jaguarwoman understand that many digital scrapbook CU makers have a different understanding.
In this case, I think Laitha should remove the items and delete Jaguarwoman's images. And I think that Jaguarwoman should refund her for all her purchases.
OK. I thought "standalone products" meant that they couldn't be sold without being merged with other pieces (like onto a paper, or in a cluster, etc.)
"In this case, I think Laitha should remove the items and delete Jaguarwoman's images. And I think that Jaguarwoman should refund her for all her purchases."
February 5, 2010 11:30 AM
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Will Laitha then split the profit she made on those items?
OK. I thought "standalone products" meant that they couldn't be sold without being merged with other pieces (like onto a paper, or in a cluster, etc.)
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I thought "standalone products' meant not selling it as a separate element set, as opposed to using a piece of it in a kit.
When you sell it as a separate element set, you are competing directly with the original designer, but if you are just using 1-2 items in a kit, then you are not.
I think this scenario really points out that there is a difference between CU Scrapbooking items like buttons and staples, verses CU art pieces such as illustrations and digital paintings.
Surely designers offering CU SCRAPBOOK items such as buttons and brads don't expect them to only be used in clusters! I hope not anyway.
You ARE in direct competition with the original designer of that piece when it was purchased as a single item. Why would an artist sell something and allow it to be sold "as is" without modification? (changing hue is not considered modifying). People will pay $6 to get that kit and CU artwork rather than paying the original designer of that artwork maybe $20 or more just for the one piece. Standalone doesn't necessarily mean you can use it "as is" in a scrapkit.
At the end of the day, Jaguar emailed Laitha in the first place to say she couldn't use her artwork in the manner she did. That should have been the end of it but Laitha dug her heels in and said she wouldn't remove the items from her kits. Those kits have now been pulled from stores. Common sense prevailed and the store owners stepped in and pulled them.
I just want to know what kind of freaky weirdo calls herself "Jaguarwoman." She should have lost the argument for that piece of idiotic eccentricity alone.
But even if her name was Mary Smith, her terms are unclear as written and she should have given the other person the benefit of the doubt.
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I actually think Jaguarwoman's terms were clear enough. The problem is that so many designers have no legal knowledge and can't read legal documents, such as TOUs.
This is the important part:
you may not resell the package or the individual images as discrete, standalone products or include them in collections or PSP tubes for sale.
A collection would include a kit. Discrete in this case means 'distinct and individual parts', recoloring an item still makes it distinct, just colored. No need to say derivative works or modified works.
Before you ask, no, I'm not Jaguarwoman or one of her friends. I'm just aware of contracts, which is why I never get caught doing stupid things with CU items. If the terms are unclear, I contact the seller. It's that simple.
I often buy CU items from digiscrap designers and I would interpret the above TOUs to mean that you can't offer the exact set of items as a package or stand-alone element set. I would have assumed that it's okay to use 1 item in a kit and recolor it. She doesn't even use the work 'derivative work' or 'modify' in the TOUs.
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You are going to find yourself in trouble one day. It's quite obvious that you can't use the item as a recolored item. It's still stand-alone or part of a collection. The only thing she did was recolor it. It's still the same item. It's not derivative and it's not modified.
I wonder if this had anything to do with FPD's decision to just close.
February 5, 2010 10:12 AM
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I doubt it, but it may have been a contributing factor to a decision they were debating about.
It kinda blows my mind that everyone is glossing over this Miss Tiina thing (especially to talk about this ridiculous Jaguarwoman thing). Every 2nd designer has purchased stuff from Miss Tiina and if a good portion of that has been sold illegally... it almost blows my mind how wide this could have spread. You all don't care if you have kits full of copyright violations? The definition of "standalone" is more important than that? No wonder this industry is such a mess.
I think, in part, everyone's afraid to come out for spilling a story they promised not to spill. Screen shots haven't made it out to the general public. I'm not sure everyone knows about it, yet.
The "screenshots" are posted a few posts up. Proof enough for me. *shrugs*
It kinda blows my mind that everyone is glossing over this Miss Tiina thing...
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What do you want us to do? Form a lynch mob?
Wonder why Studio Lorie D hasn't uploaded anything new in two months. I was a big Lorie fan & bought almost everything except the last few kits.
I thought sure she'd have a Christmas or Valentine kit though.
Wonder why Studio Lorie D hasn't uploaded anything new in two months. I was a big Lorie fan & bought almost everything except the last few kits.
I thought sure she'd have a Christmas or Valentine kit though.
February 5, 2010 7:31 PM
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She did. She released "Greymouse Manor" today- and it is stunning.
http://shop.scrapbookgraphics.com/manufacturers.php?manufacturerid=39
Thanbks, I had no idea! I looked last night & didn't see anything new. love me so rats,lol!
I'm really surprised more designers aren't concerned about the Miss Tiina situation too. If any of the people that she's stolen/copied from decide to pursue legal action, a lot of people are going to get screwed! She isn't going to do the right thing and come out & admit to this. Everyone will just look the other way again & keep buying her illegal crap until one day it catches up to her & them.
I think the Jaguarwoman & other comments are to divert attention from a very BIG issue. She (Tiina) obviously has a lot of friends out there trying to bury this for her by getting us to focus elsewhere!
I don't think that anyone is looking the other way. The proper information is being passed around. If proof hasn't been presented here, it's likely because no one who has seen the proof thus far, feels that this smack blog is the appropriate forum to discuss how the problem should be handled.
No one has the balls to post non-anon. And we all know how posting such things goes at DST. It really needs to be the store (?) or designer that uncovered it that brings it out. Guess they aren't willing to stick their neck out for anyone.
I would really like to know more about the Miss Tiina situation as well. I know I have that frog, plus quite a few of her other things...can I not use any of them now?
No one has the balls to post non-anon. And we all know how posting such things goes at DST. It really needs to be the store (?) or designer that uncovered it that brings it out. Guess they aren't willing to stick their neck out for anyone.
February 5, 2010 8:37 PM
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Sounds like you would be willing to put yourself out there if you had the info in your hands. How about you post your real name and email address and the OP can send the info to you so that you can bring it to the public yourself. Or are you not so eager to stick your own neck out either?
If I had proof that she had done something wrong, which I absolutely do not, I wouldn't blacken my own name by sharing it publicly. Sorry, but the people who make things like this public get dragged through the mud.
Look what happened with the Amanda Dykan thing. Everyone who had any ties to her at all were accused of collaborating with her scheming.
If these accusations are true, the single person who owns the responsibilty for it is Miss Tiina herself. It's hardly likely that she's going to out herself.
Like Paula, who according to one of Amanda's most recent blog posts, is still her "BFF"? Ya she was definitely falsely accused.
You all don't care if you have kits full of copyright violations? The definition of "standalone" is more important than that? No wonder this industry is such a mess.
February 5, 2010 6:49 PM
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WTH are you talking about? I don't have kits full of copyright violations because I don't buy CU, it's so much easier to make it myself. That way, I don't get screwed.
I'm really surprised more designers aren't concerned about the Miss Tiina situation too. If any of the people that she's stolen/copied from decide to pursue legal action, a lot of people are going to get screwed! She isn't going to do the right thing and come out & admit to this. Everyone will just look the other way again & keep buying her illegal crap until one day it catches up to her & them.
I think the Jaguarwoman & other comments are to divert attention from a very BIG issue. She (Tiina) obviously has a lot of friends out there trying to bury this for her by getting us to focus elsewhere!
February 5, 2010 8:22 PM
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Geez, paranoid much over Jaguarwoman? I made a few comments which were not against Jaguarwoman, but I can assure you, I'm not a friend. It's not always for or against, black and white you know. The world really isn't that simple.
The whole problem is that the Miss Tiina thing obviously blew up in the DCR and I, for one, don't have access. I'm not going to throw around accusations about copyright violations if I don't know what the situation is. Maybe you are comfortable doing that, but I'm not.
Like Paula, who according to one of Amanda's most recent blog posts, is still her "BFF"? Ya she was definitely falsely accused.
February 5, 2010 10:05 PM
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What about the others? Faith True, Melissa Bennett, Bren Boone, Christy Lyle, Misty Cato and others who did collabs with her? You find the one person who was guilty to prove your point. How lame is that?
You all don't care if you have kits full of copyright violations? The definition of "standalone" is more important than that? No wonder this industry is such a mess.
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The industry is a mess because far too many designers rely on CU instead of their own skills. This kind of crap rarely happened three years ago when more designers were making their own product.
You all don't care if you have kits full of copyright violations? The definition of "standalone" is more important than that? No wonder this industry is such a mess.
Or some of us are just scrappers who don't give a rat's ass about any of it! I don't give a shit about CU because I have zero interest in designing. Keep this shit in the DCR, make a smack blog just for designers, just stop expecting the rest of us to actually care about this boring shit! I buy kits because I like them, I don't care where the designer got the items in the kit.
The Miss Tiina thing wasn't brought up in the DCR at all.
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where was it brought up then?
IKEA made Tiina pull her products that they had copyrighted OUCH! I'm thinking lawsuit right there.
It was a store owner who noticed Tiina's copyright issues. Word is Tiina got pretty hostile about it, too.
IKEA made Tiina pull her products that they had copyrighted OUCH! I'm thinking lawsuit right there.
February 6, 2010 1:55 AM
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How do you know that?
What about the others? Faith True, Melissa Bennett, Bren Boone, Christy Lyle, Misty Cato and others who did collabs with her? You find the one person who was guilty to prove your point. How lame is that?
Those people are all still going strong, with their reputations in tact, so what exactly is your point?
Tiina should closed her store down, this is sick. If she removed her vectors, it means all those products were copyrighted also, right?
This Tiina thing needs to be brought in DSA and DST. There are a lot designers that used her products. They have all the right to now this.
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I totally agree. I was a customer of hers, and will no longer be. Other designers need to know. I'm pretty pissed off that she hasnt even come forward with an apology.
But as for the products of hers that sit on my HD and now I cannot use, I want my money back!
Barb Speck really irritates me. She always has long answers/tirades in the DCR about a variety of issues and is always quick to say she makes a comfortable income doing this. BUT I just saw a new product of hers (never bought any - they don't appeal to me at all) with a close-up of a BLURRY product. What gives? Is her stuff any good? http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=228963
I think the blur is introduced by the filter she uses (it's just a reduce noise/sharpen filter that produces a slighly watercolour effect by the look of it).
Barb is alright, but her products are widely ridiculed amongst other designers. Have been for years. But if people buy them and she (and they) are happy, then no harm done I guess.
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