Thank you! The voice of reason. ------------- You're ever so welcome. The unnecessary tangent arguments were starting to drive me crazy. Wanted to get everyone back on topic. Carry on now...
Are you fucking kidding? You feel like you can't use it now? I'm jealous of you if this is a major concern in your day to day life. Unless you're the designer being ripped off, why should you care? Insane. -------
Not the OP, but some people clearly have a higher moral compass than you do.
May 29, 2011 5:58 PM
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We are talking about scrapbooking here, not murder. Being a bit dramatic, IMO.
We are talking about scrapbooking here, not murder. Being a bit dramatic, IMO. ------
Would have to agree on this one. If you purchased the kit with intent to create a few LOs, maybe print a few pages and/or a book at the end of the year for your family's enjoyment... does this whole situation suddenly make you unable to do that? I'd say you're fine. Unless, every time you were to look at that page it would make you all sad and weepy about SMJ...
Now, if you purchased the kit with plans to copy parts of it and sell it, then yes, I'd say you can no longer do that. Or wait... apparently you can. *sarcasm*
Some people don't feel happy about using stolen goods, other people clearly don't give a shit.
May 29, 2011 7:22 PM
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Maybe you're right. If I went to a store and bought a TV...then found that the store had 'stolen' that TV from another store, you bet your ass I'm not giving the TV back. Not my problem. It wasn't ME that stole the TV, and it still serves its purpose to me.
Now, it's been established here that SMJ obviously scanned/photographed the original items and used them in her kit. Let's not argue this, OK? You can see the glue residue, etc. It wasn't created digitally. So essentially, she's passing off someone else's work as her own. This violates copyright.
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What if she has permission?
And it only violates copyright if Jolee's says it violates copyright. They may not care either.
Maybe you're right. If I went to a store and bought a TV...then found that the store had 'stolen' that TV from another store, you bet your ass I'm not giving the TV back. Not my problem. It wasn't ME that stole the TV, and it still serves its purpose to me.
May 29, 2011 7:34 PM
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Except the police can take the TV and give it back to the rightful owner.
Those of you that bought the kit, email SMJ and request a refund. She'll get the point that she did the wrong thing.
so I'm not crazy about Scrappity-Doo-Dah's new look. I USED to have a little more respect for the store, tho. The designers there weren't half bad. but NOW??? any store that INVITES COLS??? they are now off my list. (info is from COLS on her blog..that her 'friends' there invited her to join the store). I have nothing against COLS personally, except for that she is way weird. but her products??? Good Lord have mercy. Nope. no more Sdd for me.
I've heard from someone on her team that she knows about the accusations being made here..but that's all I know. Dont even know if that's true honestly.
I guess it bugs me that she still has the kit up knowing this accusation is out there. But then again, maybe by some strange occurrence she did get permission..Somehow I doubt it though.
Oh, and by the way, the kit is 44% off right now. Maybe she's trying to make as much as she can from it to pay her upcoming legal bills. LOL
I guess it bugs me that she still has the kit up knowing this accusation is out there. But then again, maybe by some strange occurrence she did get permission..Somehow I doubt it though.
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I think she got permission and is paying royalties for the usage. I don't see why else she wouldn't remove it. The best way to find out is if someone requests a refund and see what her response is.
Wow! SMJ has over 5000 fans on FB! That's a lot for a digital designer. I seriously wonder if she has worked something out with Jolee's? I can't imagine that she would do something that crazy to mess up her career!
I wrote of SDD when they wrote that post about the 'rules' of our craft, where they stated that we had to credit everything, down to the last button. I don't need that shit - and neither do people who are new to digital scrapbooking and feel ashamed to post their layouts in case they don't credit properly. It's too bad because there are a few designers I like who are exclusive there, but since here is no way to support the designer without also supporting the store ... I don't buy from them anymore.
I'm not a 'stalker' of COLS - but I do admit to peeking at her blog once in a while to see what she is peddling now. I had a near miss situation when she was trying to join a shop I was in over a year ago, and was turned down due to quality issues. What anyone else would call jaggies, stray pixels, resolution problems, she credits to artistic license. and heaven help you if you dare to disagree with her. She is a royal pain in the arse - - and what yvonne is thinking is way beyond my comprehension. I'm just very glad I'm NOT a designer at SDD.
Anonymous said... Not everyone at SDD is thrilled about that addition either. It is not fair to write off all of the designers in a store because you do not like one.
no, its not fair - but I gotta tell ya - it makes me question the owners judgement. If SDD is taking on someone like COLS - - I shudder to think of whats/who is next.
Are you fucking kidding? You feel like you can't use it now? I'm jealous of you if this is a major concern in your day to day life. Unless you're the designer being ripped off, why should you care? Insane. -------
Is it what you teach your kids? You are the insane one.
"Anonymous said... A knock-off is something that is meant to look like something else, but has enough differences that it's not a direct copy. The elements in the kit by SMJ are not a knock-off, they are an direct copy. And it doesn't matter if they were scanned or if she re-created them. Either way, they are a direct copy and that is not legal unless she had permission to do that.
I'm disappointed about this because I did buy the kit and now I feel like I can't use it.
May 29, 2011 2:57 PM"
Whatever everyone else has been saying here, you are now in a perfect position to write and ask SMJ directly about this "accusation." You can tell her that a friend informed you about this (if you don't want to admit you're reading here, that is) and you are not comfortable using the kit now because of it. She should/might at least give you some explanation or background info that I hope you would consider sharing with us later. :)
Is it what you teach your kids? You are the insane one.
May 30, 2011 4:15 AM
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Yes, I sat my kids down last night and let them know that if they purchase a digital scrapbooking kit only to find that the designer used scanned paper products, they should NOT use said digital scrapbooking kit or they're a bad person. How did you know?
A knock-off is something that is meant to look like something else, but has enough differences that it's not a direct copy. The elements in the kit by SMJ are not a knock-off, they are an direct copy. And it doesn't matter if they were scanned or if she re-created them. Either way, they are a direct copy and that is not legal unless she had permission to do that.
Well at least you know the difference between knockoff and counterfeit unlike some and I was just making a point. I think I also said that if she scanned and used the Jolee items then she was breaking copyright so get off your high horse and lecture someone else. Buying knockoffs is legal and you will find them in every store in the mall. Buying counterfeits is illegal and in New York City for example they arrest some of the street vendors for selling those counterfeits. That being said the point I was trying to make was what some others said-there is very little that is totally and thoroughly original. Ideas come from everywhere and those who have good ideas and good selling goods are going to be mimicked by others.
OMG, it all makes sense now. SDD's site suddenly takes on a nonsensical half-fantasy/half-not, mish-mashed look. Now COLS is opening up shop there. I think it's clear that she was hired to redesign the site, and her payment was a spot at the shop after she was done. God help us all. LOL.
Here is some new news: Sugar Hill Company is going ALL CU only as of July first. No more PU at all. I applied to their designer call out of curiousity, sent a link to product samples. They were PU. Got an email from Tina saying that "sorry, but we are going totally CU products only as of July 1, and to send a link to some CU samples". just fyi here.
I wish that the knock-off monkey would stfu. Sorry, but it is annoying that every other post is you repeating yourself. I get that you have beliefs about knock offs. What will it take to get you to stop talking about it?
OMG, it all makes sense now. SDD's site suddenly takes on a nonsensical half-fantasy/half-not, mish-mashed look. Now COLS is opening up shop there. I think it's clear that she was hired to redesign the site, and her payment was a spot at the shop after she was done. God help us all. LOL.
Here is some new news: Sugar Hill Company is going ALL CU only as of July first. No more PU at all. I applied to their designer call out of curiousity, sent a link to product samples. They were PU. Got an email from Tina saying that "sorry, but we are going totally CU products only as of July 1, and to send a link to some CU samples". just fyi here.
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Makes sense. CU is the only reason I ever shop there, anyway. Guess I'm not the only one.
OMG, it all makes sense now. SDD's site suddenly takes on a nonsensical half-fantasy/half-not, mish-mashed look. Now COLS is opening up shop there. I think it's clear that she was hired to redesign the site, and her payment was a spot at the shop after she was done. God help us all. LOL. ____________
Ha! Obviously she designed the site using one of her upcoming kits, no less. ROFLMAO.
The site design was created by Magical Reality. It says so at the bottom of the store.
I know SDD checks new designers quality carefully. Is it possible that COLS has finally learned something about quality? Does anyone know if there are new samplers from her we can download to see?
I wish that the knock-off monkey would stfu. Sorry, but it is annoying that every other post is you repeating yourself. I get that you have beliefs about knock offs. What will it take to get you to stop talking about it?
A knock-off is something that is meant to look like something else, but has enough differences that it's not a direct copy. The elements in the kit by SMJ are not a knock-off, they are an direct copy. And it doesn't matter if they were scanned or if she re-created them. Either way, they are a direct copy and that is not legal unless she had permission to do that.
It's illegal to sell counterfeits, not knock-offs. Counterfeits are illegal because you aren't getting an authentic product and the seller is stealing the trademark of the company. This happens all the time with purses, Disney items, and watches.
A knock-off would indicate that there is some difference and the company is using it's own brand logo and trademark.
I wish that the knock-off monkey would stfu. Sorry, but it is annoying that every other post is you repeating yourself. I get that you have beliefs about knock offs. What will it take to get you to stop talking about it?
To whoever is randomly cutting and pasting old comments from above into the current comments... seriously? I don't know that I have EVER been bored enough to do something so stupid. Either contribute something interesting and new to the convo, or don't. But none of us wants to read shit from 30 comments ago again. We've all moved on, and suggest you do the same.
you are always shopping with the owner - every single sales benefits the owner.
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So? She made a bad choice in a designer in her store, how does that really effect you?
It doesn't effect me, but it does make me not want to spend money there. I don't give my money to stores when I don't agree with what they are doing. This is the same in my 'real world' life too.
If other designers in the store don't like it - they can talk to Yvonne about it or move on to a different store.
I could see a lot of the girls from SO fitting in at SSD, but I don't think that would really be a step up. (It's more of a sideways move IMO.) So I don't see the point in any of them moving.
Maybe Jady Day or Amy Stoffel. They both kind of have that SSD style.
Jady, yes maybe. Amy's style isn't very SSD at all, though, just IMO. Her style is way funkier, less "paper-scrapper-ish". Seems to me that almost all of the SSD designers have the same general style. Amy's doesn't seem to fit that mold at all (not that I don't like her designs, b/c I do... but it's just less generic than most all of SSD's).
I have come to think that SSD picks people whose products seem marketable to a wider audience, rather than going w/ designer choices that are actually unique and offer something different to the shop. That's the difference I see between SSD and SO. SO takes on some designers who, honestly, I don't like their designs at all... but those designs add variety. At SSD is all the same.
And no, I am not affiliated w/ either store and haven't ever applied either place (before anyone assumes I am badmouthing SSD due to jealous rage).
I agree with Jady Day. I don't know if any of these would apply but I could also see fitting in at SSD Micheline Martin, Thaty Borges, Kristin Aagard, Stolen Moments and Mye De Leon (even though she seems unliked here).
To whoever is randomly cutting and pasting old comments from above into the current comments... seriously? I don't know that I have EVER been bored enough to do something so stupid. Either contribute something interesting and new to the convo, or don't. But none of us wants to read shit from 30 comments ago again. We've all moved on, and suggest you do the same.
I see that Shilo is still at Digiscrappers Brasil. I would have thought that would be the first store to kick her out. Especially after she came here and posted their private forum comments.
I see that Shilo is still at Digiscrappers Brasil. I would have thought that would be the first store to kick her out. Especially after she came here and posted their private forum comments.
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I thought the EXACT same thing! She must know where the bodies are buried @ DSB.
Shilo didn't post those comments. They already kicked the person out that did when it happened.
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I call bull shit on this. If she'd steal from her "collaborators" .. she'd post private forum messages. No one has heard from her since the accusations.
Micheline? No way, not if they do QC on products at SSD. I'm actually glad that someone brought her up. I love her products. Well, the previews anyway. They always look so original and cute and she definitely has her own, distinct style. But I have been suckered into buying from her one too many times, and have found quality issues on at least 3 different occasions. You should see the jaggies on a heart in one of the kits I just got from her shop during iNSD. Who can manage jaggies on a heart? Also, she routinely enlarges elements to make them bigger, but ends up with a pixelated-looking mess that is horrendous and makes it impossible to use on any layout that's actually going to be printed. The final straw for me came when I got a set of her CU cardstock textures recently... zoomed in to 100%, they're also a pixelated mess. She obviously stretched something out that was scanned on an 8.5x11 bed so she could make it 12x12. Ugh. The first couple of times, I was shocked, since she's so well-known and popular, and I figured it was an odd mistake/oversight. Now, looking at these disastrous overlays, I realize that she has no understanding of quality. Has nobody else noticed this?
One of the CT members? A few have "left" recently! I dont think it was Shilo. There was no proof posted that she did post it here. Then again who knows anymore.
COLS = Circle of Life Scraps who recently changed it to COL Studio. Big deal . Google it - check the blog.
and listen - I sell in a shop with Mye. She's nice. She's cute. Thats it. Her kits are all CU, the girl has NO imagination what so ever. If you pay attention, you will see that she copies color schemes routinely, too. There is very little variety in her kits..alot of recolors. There is no way on earth that she would make SSD. Like many others, I was surprized when she made the Digichick. Nice? yes. Basic? VERY. IF Mye could come up with an original idea for a kit once in a while , then, maybe down the road, yeah - she might qualify. and no - I don't expect anyone here to see the color palette copies - you would have to watch the new releases of others in her shops and then watch her new releases a week or two later. NO - its no biggie to copy color schemes, or themes for that matter. But this is ALL the time.
and Thaty Borges would be a shoe in for SSD, but since she just got into SBG, I rather doubt she would make the move.
@ 3:39 ... no offense to you but if you don't like her CU then why the hell do you waste your money on inferior product? Why can't you make your own? You know, if you have a quality camera you can take pictures of the bottom of a sauce pan or the paint on your house and make a kick ass texture. It's free and all it costs you is a little bit of time and ingenuity.
Again, no offense against the OP but damn, I'm really tired of all of the BS belly aching, when it is SO FRIGGIN' SIMPLE to make your own textures!
Learn how to do it yourself then you won't have to bitch and moan when shit doesn't come out the way you expect.
Make it your own damn self (collective self, not any individual poster). Learn your friggin' software. If you have PS ... it is the MOST amazing tool.
Gawd ... I hate to see people complaining all the time about inferior CU providers.
At least they have the balls to get out there and attempt something.
^^^^^^ Then maybe you need to take a break from designing. Get YOUR priorities straight. That $10 you are spending on Crap CU ... could be your Medicare prescription co-pay.
Get a life.
If you really wanted to buy a quality camera, all it takes is a little squeezing of the belt.
Take it from someone who knows. I saved for 2 years before I bought a good camera.
Wow you are amazing! It only took you 2 years to save up $500?? That must have cost you a lot of extra night shifts at the drive through window. And now you don't have to use CU. So I really respect you!
I see nothing wrong with CU, especially templates and stuff like that. What bothers me is seeing the same clip art in 10 different kits in the same store (ummm, Stuff to Scrap, anyone?). If designers want to use CU, please use it creatively. If you just plop, I don't care. I just won't buy from you.
Did Kay Miller ever sell at SSD? Her style seems to fit in there pretty well. I used to buy from Micheline pretty frequently, and hadn't noticed any quality issues. What I did begin to notice though was the same CU flowers being used from kit to kit - and a few of kits I purchased from her had multiple items (same strings, buttons, frames, doodles) that were the same - just recolored to suit the kits color scheme. That to me is lazy and a little stupid because why would you put the same things in multiple kits? If you want to generate repeat business, that's not the way to do it. If you're going to use CU - at least buy enough of it so that you're not using the same CU over and over in all of your kits.
As far as the comment about "anyone can be a template designer", I don't agree with that. Just like I don't agree that "anyone can be a designer". Yes, it's true that anyone can "try" to be either - but very few will be successful. I happen to like using templates, but will only purchase templates from those designers that are also talented scrappers. There are way too many people just pumping out templates that don't know the first thing about what makes a good layout design.
I call bull shit on this. If she'd steal from her "collaborators" .. she'd post private forum messages. No one has heard from her since the accusations. -----------
Right, because that's a logical leap, not! I'm not for or against Shilo, but that is a stupid ass assumption.
The first couple of times, I was shocked, since she's so well-known and popular, and I figured it was an odd mistake/oversight. Now, looking at these disastrous overlays, I realize that she has no understanding of quality. Has nobody else noticed this? ---------
She's well known as a store hopper with poor quality. If you've been around for long enough, you would have known this.
There is no way on earth that she would make SSD. Like many others, I was surprized when she made the Digichick. Nice? yes. Basic? VERY. IF Mye could come up with an original idea for a kit once in a while , then, maybe down the road, yeah - she might qualify. and no - I don't expect anyone here to see the color palette copies - you would have to watch the new releases of others in her shops and then watch her new releases a week or two later. NO - its no biggie to copy color schemes, or themes for that matter. But this is ALL the time. 0------------
Sounds just like Melissa Bennett, who does sell at SSD.
A lot of people at SSD use CU in their kits. So do most other designers out there. Big deal. I don't see that being a reason to keep someone new from selling there.
I have never bought Micheline Martin's kits. It's too bad that the quality isn't good, her kits look really cute based on the previews.
In response to the person asking about Kay Miller, I think she did sell at SSD a while back. I think she's at A5D now. I wonder why she left SSD.
Right, because that's a logical leap, not! I'm not for or against Shilo, but that is a stupid ass assumption. ********************
Yeah ... how stupid of me to assume Shilo is dishonest when "Happy Tits" proved that Shilo was stealing and Shilo never bothered to respond when we "know" she is a frequent visitor here
I'd love to live where you do where everything is rainbows and lollipops.
Nice try @ deflection, Shilo.
Look, we all know you tried and it's not going to work. Own up already.
Happy Tits was at least bold enough to come clean, why won't you?
Wow you are amazing! It only took you 2 years to save up $500?? That must have cost you a lot of extra night shifts at the drive through window. And now you don't have to use CU. So I really respect you!
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Ummmmmm ... I'm not the one who is bitching about spending my hard earned $$$$ on crap CU.
Damn straight I worked hard for every extra nickel, dime and dollar.
I have a point and shoot and a old scanner - and can still photography and extract
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Thank YOU! Someone who is willing to put in some elbow grease and at least attempt to be creative.
May 30, 2011 6:07 PM
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Put your shoulder to the wheel!! Always remember, creating all of your own product and never using anything you didn't make yourself with a stick and your own home made glue, makes you way better than everyone else! (Just make sure the stick is from your own yard and that you originally planted the tree it grew on.)
Wow you are amazing! It only took you 2 years to save up $500?? That must have cost you a lot of extra night shifts at the drive through window. And now you don't have to use CU. So I really respect you!
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Ummmmmm ... I'm not the one who is bitching about spending my hard earned $$$$ on crap CU.
Damn straight I worked hard for every extra nickel, dime and dollar.
Try it, you might find a sense of self worth!
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I wasn't the one who posted about using CU, that was someone else. I actually don't use CU and I don't care if anyone else does. I do think you are on some pointless crusade to rid the world of CU and I think it's fun to push your buttons.
Plus I'm sick of hearing the CU argument over and over. So I thought I'd play with it.
You know what is funny? Is that I am NOT against CU. I am simply against people who complain about purchasing sub-par CU. I mean it is non-stop around here.
Simple solution = If you don't like it ... make your own.
Period.
End of sentence.
There's the tired adage ... "If you want something done right, do it yourself"
Yeah ... how stupid of me to assume Shilo is dishonest when "Happy Tits" proved that Shilo was stealing and Shilo never bothered to respond when we "know" she is a frequent visitor here
I'd love to live where you do where everything is rainbows and lollipops.
Nice try @ deflection, Shilo.
Look, we all know you tried and it's not going to work. Own up already.
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Oh, wow, you are so smart! You guessed it was me!! I'm so impressed with your skills of deduction. Who knew that someone would guess who it was? Gee willikers, did you ever think of going on Who Wants to be a Millionaire? You'd be a shoo in, you're so smart.
You know what is funny? Is that I am NOT against CU. I am simply against people who complain about purchasing sub-par CU. I mean it is non-stop around here.
Simple solution = If you don't like it ... make your own.
Period.
End of sentence.
There's the tired adage ... "If you want something done right, do it yourself" --------------------
I actually can't think of many designers off the top of my head that would be a good fit for SSD. I like a couple of those that were already mentioned, but they are already in good stores (which means they aren't likely to move). I think Jady Day might be a good choice. I think SSD is a step up from SM.
good on Kay leaving SSD, instead of being lost in the sea of sameness. She probably left for A5 so her designs wouldn't be the same as everyone else's in the shop.Seriously looking at SSD's shop makes my eyes hurt because it's all so similar. I get that the style of the designers there is geared toward more "paper" looking kits, but really - would a little bit of diversity hurt?
How many stores was Micheline in? I never noticed her designs until she appeared at A5D.
I think sometimes you have to move around before you find the right store. But it seems like some people look down on a designer for changing stores and call them store jumpers. I don't get that.
I think sometimes you have to move around before you find the right store. But it seems like some people look down on a designer for changing stores and call them store jumpers. I don't get that. -------
We've been through this before, a store hopper is someone who changes stores frequently in a short space of time. Micheline was in at least six stores before she retired and then turned up at A5D.
We've been through this before, a store hopper is someone who changes stores frequently in a short space of time. Micheline was in at least six stores before she retired and then turned up at A5D.
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I "found" her at Catscrap - and then she moved to A5D - I didn't know of her before then though ... never realized she retired
I'm not the one who posted about crap CU ... but I tried making my own for a long time and failed. Even when I thought I had a good image, I'd get right in close and see it wasn't clear enough to sell. I'd rather spend money on CU than make my own and have my stuff be crap.
I know how to do it, I just don't have the tools. I am actually saving for a DSLR but its going to take some time. In the meantime I'm not going to NOT design.
If you get an undercooked steak at the restaurant, do you think 'oh well, if I wanted it done right I'd do it myself' and not complain?
If you get a pair of pants home and find the seam was sewn wrong, do you think 'oh well, I should have sewn my own pair if I wanted them done right'?
When you build your home, if the glass for the windows arrives with a fault, do you think 'damn, I should have hand-blown the glass myself, I guess I can't complain'?
We buy things from people - everything from tools of various trades to finished product - when we don't have the time, inclination, or skills to make them ourselves. You aren't giving up your right to quality when you pay for something - in fact, you have even MORE right to quality when you are paying someone to do it rather than doing it yourself.
Micheline did not retire and then turn up at A5, she was at Catscrap for a while before A5 had a designer call.
What I love are the designers that are in like 5 stores...sometimes having different prices at each store for the same product.
A few million-store designers that come to mind are Connie 'no creativity' Prince, her puppy dog Mye, Trixie 'triple chin' Scraps and I think even Shilo and Happy Tits have multi-stored it at one time or another...
Scrap Outside The Box Scrap 2 Basics Distressed Diva We Do Scraps One of a Kind Scrapz The Digi Shoppe Sweet Shoppe Designs Scrap Artist Oscraps (then retired in June 2009) CatScrap After Five
@ 3:39 ... no offense to you but if you don't like her CU then why the hell do you waste your money on inferior product? Why can't you make your own? You know, if you have a quality camera you can take pictures of the bottom of a sauce pan or the paint on your house and make a kick ass texture. It's free and all it costs you is a little bit of time and ingenuity.
Again, no offense against the OP but damn, I'm really tired of all of the BS belly aching, when it is SO FRIGGIN' SIMPLE to make your own textures!
Learn how to do it yourself then you won't have to bitch and moan when shit doesn't come out the way you expect.
Make it your own damn self (collective self, not any individual poster). Learn your friggin' software. If you have PS ... it is the MOST amazing tool.
Gawd ... I hate to see people complaining all the time about inferior CU providers.
At least they have the balls to get out there and attempt something.
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Alright, I'm the OP from 3:39, and just came back and read everything from this evening. I haven't been involved in any of the conversation from my OP to now, but I do have a couple of things to add now.
First of all, I know I set myself up for the tongue-lashing you just gave me, but wanted to clarify that I actually DO make my own CU. I sell some (not all) of it, too, and I'd say it's probably at least half of my product line (and sadly, brings in a lot more income than PU, because so few other people DO make their own tools). So the point here is that I completely agree with just about everything you said in this post, above... except for the part about people constantly purchasing/complaining about inferior CU when they should just make it themselves. For the record, I'm not an idiot. I didn't purchase CU from Micheline, decide it was crap, and purchase it again and again. The overlays I mentioned above were my first CU experience with her (and last). And I see nothing wrong with someone using someone else's textures every once in a while. Guess what? Even people who sell quality CU, like myself, like to dabble in other products now and then... to mix it up, and avoid a sea of sameness. I saw a texture in her pack that I didn't already have in my own files, and thought I'd give it a whirl. Then I unzipped the pack and saw it up close. Yikes.
My point in posting was mainly to argue the idea that Micheline could get into a shop like SSD, unless they don't QC anything. Then again, very few shops do QC anything. But while posting, yes, I got off onto a little ranting tangent about her quality. Regrettably, since it spawned such and endless argument about the merits of CU-use throughout the past few hours.
One final p.s. for those who don't have the resources to buy a good camera or scanner (and yes, everyone, there ARE people who can afford $10 a month on CU but can't afford items that cost hundreds... so let's be respectful of that): if you ARE using CU on everything, at least have the creativity to blend your overlays with each other to create something new and fresh. Nothing I hate more than seeing a kit preview from one of my customers and I can immediately recognize every texture in it as mine, because they used it out of the box.
LOL ... sorry ... had to check out Circle of Life Scraps' blog ... apparently she had a "guess where I'm moving to" RAK going on ... someone guessed Scrapbook Graphics.
LOL ... sorry ... had to check out Circle of Life Scraps' blog ... apparently she had a "guess where I'm moving to" RAK going on ... someone guessed Scrapbook Graphics. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ LOL IRL. So, is that a testament to the lunacy of her fan base, or instead an indication of the downfall of SBG? Discuss. Ha ha ha JK.
If SSD want a new designer to fill the gap that Mandabean left then they could just get everyone else to make some stuff and throw it in a kit together with a new designer's name - it's not like anybody would notice.
I read you talking about SDD as if it was a top store. Are you serious? Are we talking about the same www.scrappity-doo-dah.com? Jesus, that store is at the bottom of my shop list!
I read you talking about SDD as if it was a top store. Are you serious? Are we talking about the same www.scrappity-doo-dah.com? Jesus, that store is at the bottom of my shop list!
^^^ I was thinking the same thing!
Whoever posted about Thaty I also don't get your comment. She's not my favorite but I have bought from her before and she doesn't have bad quality at all. Maybe not your style but not bad.
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---- The end of that list consists of some of the better shops... how in the hell did she get in all of those? Gross.
I read you talking about SDD as if it was a top store. Are you serious? Are we talking about the same www.scrappity-doo-dah.com? Jesus, that store is at the bottom of my shop list!
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Wow, you have a problem. Creepy. Do you know what store every designer has been over the years or just her?
Wow, you have a problem. Creepy. Do you know what store every designer has been over the years or just her? _______
LMAO, I was just going to post the same thing. Then I realized that it's probably just Micheline posting. No wonder "someone" got so offended about the quality post about her from earlier.
Think SSD will be looking to fill MandaBean's spot? Who do you think the good candidates would be? Or who do you think would be vying for the spot? --------- You're not considering the possibility that they've already filled Manda's spot. Pure speculation here, but Meredith Cardall just this week announced that she's leaving Sunshine Studio Scraps and Sugar Hill because she received an offer that was too good to pass up on (or something along those lines) and the new shop requires her to be exclusive. Her designs definitely fit into the generic SSD style, and she just collabed with Misty Cato earlier this month. That's my best guess.
Agreed. I know we all come here to dish the dirt and talk smack about other designers, etc. But unless someone actually invites personal attacks (for instance: Happy Tits being such an A-glass moron here last week), it seems like it's unnecessary to make unsolicited snide comments about someone's personal appearance. I'm POSITIVE that there are a lot of you out there who are overweight, and it's irrelevant. Smack her designs, leave her body out of it. Just my opinion (tho I am sure it's shared).
i rather doubt Meredith is going to SBG. i'm thinking the Digichick.
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Doubtful. Digichick doesn't require designers to be exclusive (just that the products they sell there are exclusive to Digichick). I think that whoever said Scrapmatters up above was probably right. As I type this, I am realizing that I can't believe we're all sitting around playing a guessing game about Meredith Cardall. !?
Whoever posted about Thaty I also don't get your comment. She's not my favorite but I have bought from her before and she doesn't have bad quality at all. Maybe not your style but not bad. ------------
Her style is boring and about six other designers at SBG already do it. I never mentioned quality, but the last thing I got from her was questionable and her ideas aren't all that original. Anyone remember the tree templates that were an exact rip from iStock vectors?
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I especially looked it up yesterday as someone asked about how many stores Micheline had been in. Everyone always asks for proof. I provide proof. Some of you smack hags are never happy.
I informed Jolee's legal department. So either they don't care, she had permission, or they are handling it on their own without feeling the need to inform us. In any case, if they aren't going to do anything about it, there's really nothing any of us can do. Is there?
Did anyone email SMJ and ask for a refund?? No response from Jolee?? Amazing how that topic got passed over with no closure. ^^^ I didn't, don't care enough to ask for a refund especially since I still plan on using it for some layouts.
Did anyone email SMJ and ask for a refund?? No response from Jolee?? Amazing how that topic got passed over with no closure. ^^^
Yeah it did. I blame you for not following up better. You should be way more proactive about it. So tell us, what are you going to do to rectify this problem?
If Jolee has been informed, SMJ knows it is being talked about and the kit is still in the shop, then it must be ok and SMJ has whatever permissions she needs.
What I'd like to know is how someone realized this. What are the chances that you happened to see SMJ's kit and also saw the Jolee pack. Was it a coincidence? Are you a serious shopper. Curious minds want to know...
So tell us, what are you going to do to rectify this problem? ---------------------------------- I'm not going to do anything. I knew someone else had already contacted Jolee. I didn't purchase the kit so I couldn't very well ask for a refund. It was mentioned in a previous post so I wondered if someone else had asked.
I've done my part in the past by notifying original creators that their work may be used inappropriately. Since I have not actually seen the Jolee pack nor do I own the kit, I don't feel it is my place to be proactive in this situation.
Gina is a sweetheart at W&W and quality is good on everything I have. I'm not sure about collabs but I see some with Cinzia and she's usually good too.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/products/showphoto.php?photo=91859&cat=all&limit=last1 LMFAO what a name for a kit. May 31, 2011 3:22 PM -------------- lmao Thank you. I needed that!
Gee, if you can't use Mickey in a kit, cuz its a copyright violation, how 'bout Kermit?
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/digital-site-designer-announcements-25/news-dhl-june-1st-278900/ --- Wow. I think some people just want to get caught doing stupid shit so they get some sort of attention. Is the brand name still on that piece of chocolate that's CU? lol.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/products/showphoto.php?photo=91859&cat=all&limit=last1 LMFAO what a name for a kit. May 31, 2011 3:22 PM -------------- lmao Thank you. I needed that!
are you all ready for what, in my opinion, is the ugliest damn blog train ever??? Starts at midnight! "Monkeying Around". I have never seen such awful previews...there are a couple cute ones...but OMG - the same monkey's...over and over and over and over.......I can see why quite a few people dropped out. They didn't even get the normal 100 signups.....
Muppets are owned by Disney. It's a big no-no. But reporting stuff like this to Disney is useless because they never do anything. The best results come from a public flogging at DST. Or contacting the store owner. lol
yeah, its the blogtrain blog. and wow....it DOES suck.
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Where do you see the previews? Are you talking about this blog http://www.blogtrainblog.blogspot.com/ ? Last post is from April. Is it again in the DCR? Not everyone here has access.
It doesn't officially launch until noon on the 1st, so the Blog Train Blog will be updated then. In the meantime you can probably find it on some people's blogs.
^^^^^ That one's actually one of the better ones I've seen. You should see some of the others. Horrible. Simply horrible. It's probably the color palette, which admittedly I don't like, but still. Gross.
Muppets are owned by Disney. It's a big no-no. But reporting stuff like this to Disney is useless because they never do anything. The best results come from a public flogging at DST. Or contacting the store owner. lol
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i like how everyone is always willing to publicly flog (at DST) the "lesser designers" like this kermit idiot, as you suggest we do... but nobody's done the same to SMJ (all the while complaining here that her case is "unresolved"). such a hypocritical lot, we are.
Anonymous said... If Jolee has been informed, SMJ knows it is being talked about and the kit is still in the shop, then it must be ok and SMJ has whatever permissions she needs.
What I'd like to know is how someone realized this. What are the chances that you happened to see SMJ's kit and also saw the Jolee pack. Was it a coincidence? Are you a serious shopper. Curious minds want to know...
May 31, 2011 6:25 PM
----------- I'm the one who originally posted the question (without naming SMJ). The reason I noticed is because I love her designs, but still do some paper scrapping as well. I actually purchased the Jolee's Boutique stickers in question and used them on a layout recently, so that's why it stood out for me. For those that don't dabble in the paper world, Jolee's Boutique and EK Success (the makers) are one of the biggest companies out there, so thought it was odd that would scan their stuff.
i like how everyone is always willing to publicly flog (at DST) the "lesser designers" like this kermit idiot, as you suggest we do... but nobody's done the same to SMJ (all the while complaining here that her case is "unresolved"). such a hypocritical lot, we are.
June 1, 2011 7:03 AM
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One person posted that suggestion. That's not "everyone". One post is not the representation of the opinion of all the readers.
Are you willing to start the thread flogging SMJ? I'm not. Because it's possible that Jolee's sold commercial rights to the items. I doubt they handed over that permission for free and there is some sort of royalties arrangement.
I know that Disney doesn't give out that sort of rights unless one is willing to pay a lot of money in royalties.
^^^ Two different situations, to a degree. But I think the point made by OP is pretty valid, which is that none of us is willing to start the public flogging thread when it's someone well-known and respected like SMJ, but we'll throw any random no-name designer out to the wolves without even blinking. Hypocritical, yes. Reality, yes. Sucks to be a no-name designer.
But nobody has posted a thread at DST about the kermit kit! (I'm not a designer. Maybe in the designer special forum?) Right now they are both being treated in the same way. It's not hypocritical until someone actually only posts about the Kermit kit and leaves out SMJ.
people post "questions" like that all the time in the designer forum, and then people get all high and mighty about copyright violations for a day or two, tho I haven't seen anything about kermit yet. haven't been to dst in a few days anyway
haha, yes that one's awful. I went thru the first 20 or so and only found 4 worth downloading (4! just #5,10,13,18, which is not a great ratio out of 20). then I decided I just don't like the colors and probably won't ever scrap with any of it, so I stopped. this month's colors are horrid. kudos to the few designers I saw who found a way to make it seem more neutral and less like mcdonald's on crack.
They need to stop doing that blog train. They are always gross.
Speak for yourself. I don't think that this blog train is awful. There are some cute ideas and the colors if used in another theme would probably have been perfect for you. Why you need to come here and wine is beyond me. Just because you don't like it plenty of others do as I've already had many downloads and several comments and it hasn't even been up one day. Sooooo thbbbbbbbb on you!! ROFL
I think the colors are fabulous for Halloween or Thanksgiving layouts. Or outdoorsy camping type of layouts.
Personally I don't care for the monkeys but I think people with little children would like them. Looking through the slideshow I see many possibilities. When I download from a blog train I put everything in one folder and then keep what I like. In a large collab like this I do not keep the designers separate. Since everything goes together I can mix and match as I see fit.
Those colors are ugly for any kit. They are just mucky and dark and heavy. She'd do better going to a color pallette site or blog and picking someone else's swatch. The blog train themes are usually pretty fun (IMO) but the swatches are terrible.
I am just an average scrapper, not a designer. I am not active on any CT's, although I have been in the past. I am not active in any "scrapbook community", I don't post on the message boards, and I don't post my layouts online anymore. I read the Digi boards for entertainment, and am constantly amazed at what people share on the internet. I freely admit to reading the scrapbook smack blogs, it is a guilty pleasure.
You can email me at: DSTHallofFame@gmail.com
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You're ever so welcome. The unnecessary tangent arguments were starting to drive me crazy. Wanted to get everyone back on topic. Carry on now...
Are you fucking kidding? You feel like you can't use it now? I'm jealous of you if this is a major concern in your day to day life. Unless you're the designer being ripped off, why should you care? Insane.
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Not the OP, but some people clearly have a higher moral compass than you do.
May 29, 2011 5:58 PM
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We are talking about scrapbooking here, not murder. Being a bit dramatic, IMO.
Now who is being dramatic...
We are talking about scrapbooking here, not murder. Being a bit dramatic, IMO.
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Would have to agree on this one. If you purchased the kit with intent to create a few LOs, maybe print a few pages and/or a book at the end of the year for your family's enjoyment... does this whole situation suddenly make you unable to do that? I'd say you're fine. Unless, every time you were to look at that page it would make you all sad and weepy about SMJ...
Now, if you purchased the kit with plans to copy parts of it and sell it, then yes, I'd say you can no longer do that. Or wait... apparently you can. *sarcasm*
Some people don't feel happy about using stolen goods, other people clearly don't give a shit.
Some people don't feel happy about using stolen goods, other people clearly don't give a shit.
May 29, 2011 7:22 PM
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Maybe you're right. If I went to a store and bought a TV...then found that the store had 'stolen' that TV from another store, you bet your ass I'm not giving the TV back. Not my problem. It wasn't ME that stole the TV, and it still serves its purpose to me.
Now, it's been established here that SMJ obviously scanned/photographed the original items and used them in her kit. Let's not argue this, OK? You can see the glue residue, etc. It wasn't created digitally. So essentially, she's passing off someone else's work as her own. This violates copyright.
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What if she has permission?
And it only violates copyright if Jolee's says it violates copyright. They may not care either.
Maybe you're right. If I went to a store and bought a TV...then found that the store had 'stolen' that TV from another store, you bet your ass I'm not giving the TV back. Not my problem. It wasn't ME that stole the TV, and it still serves its purpose to me.
May 29, 2011 7:34 PM
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Except the police can take the TV and give it back to the rightful owner.
Those of you that bought the kit, email SMJ and request a refund. She'll get the point that she did the wrong thing.
Change of subject, sorry.
so I'm not crazy about Scrappity-Doo-Dah's new look. I USED to have a little more respect for the store, tho. The designers there weren't half bad. but NOW??? any store that INVITES COLS??? they are now off my list. (info is from COLS on her blog..that her 'friends' there invited her to join the store). I have nothing against COLS personally, except for that she is way weird. but her products??? Good Lord have mercy. Nope. no more Sdd for me.
I've heard from someone on her team that she knows about the accusations being made here..but that's all I know. Dont even know if that's true honestly.
I guess it bugs me that she still has the kit up knowing this accusation is out there. But then again, maybe by some strange occurrence she did get permission..Somehow I doubt it though.
Oh, and by the way, the kit is 44% off right now. Maybe she's trying to make as much as she can from it to pay her upcoming legal bills. LOL
I have lost all respect for SDD. Wow. COLS.
Are you stalking COLS? Do you actually read her blog? I wrote her off a long time ago.
I guess it bugs me that she still has the kit up knowing this accusation is out there. But then again, maybe by some strange occurrence she did get permission..Somehow I doubt it though.
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I think she got permission and is paying royalties for the usage. I don't see why else she wouldn't remove it. The best way to find out is if someone requests a refund and see what her response is.
who is COLS? what's her design name at SDD?
Those of you who are saying that maybe she got permission, why is it not listed in the TOU for the kit?
who is COLS? what's her design name at SDD?
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Circle of Life Studio and she's turning up June 1st.
Those of you who are saying that maybe she got permission, why is it not listed in the TOU for the kit?
May 29, 2011 9:49 PM
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It might not be required as part of Jolee's terms.
Or she forgot to update the TOU before uploading. Honest mistake.
Wow! SMJ has over 5000 fans on FB! That's a lot for a digital designer. I seriously wonder if she has worked something out with Jolee's? I can't imagine that she would do something that crazy to mess up her career!
Not everyone at SDD is thrilled about that addition either. It is not fair to write off all of the designers in a store because you do not like one.
I wrote of SDD when they wrote that post about the 'rules' of our craft, where they stated that we had to credit everything, down to the last button. I don't need that shit - and neither do people who are new to digital scrapbooking and feel ashamed to post their layouts in case they don't credit properly. It's too bad because there are a few designers I like who are exclusive there, but since here is no way to support the designer without also supporting the store ... I don't buy from them anymore.
I'm not a 'stalker' of COLS - but I do admit to peeking at her blog once in a while to see what she is peddling now. I had a near miss situation when she was trying to join a shop I was in over a year ago, and was turned down due to quality issues. What anyone else would call jaggies, stray pixels, resolution problems, she credits to artistic license. and heaven help you if you dare to disagree with her. She is a royal pain in the arse - - and what yvonne is thinking is way beyond my comprehension. I'm just very glad I'm NOT a designer at SDD.
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Not everyone at SDD is thrilled about that addition either. It is not fair to write off all of the designers in a store because you do not like one.
no, its not fair - but I gotta tell ya - it makes me question the owners judgement. If SDD is taking on someone like COLS - - I shudder to think of whats/who is next.
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But if you aren't shopping with the owner, but other designers, what the heck does it matter?
you are always shopping with the owner - every single sales benefits the owner.
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So? She made a bad choice in a designer in her store, how does that really effect you?
Are you fucking kidding? You feel like you can't use it now? I'm jealous of you if this is a major concern in your day to day life. Unless you're the designer being ripped off, why should you care? Insane.
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Is it what you teach your kids? You are the insane one.
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A knock-off is something that is meant to look like something else, but has enough differences that it's not a direct copy. The elements in the kit by SMJ are not a knock-off, they are an direct copy. And it doesn't matter if they were scanned or if she re-created them. Either way, they are a direct copy and that is not legal unless she had permission to do that.
I'm disappointed about this because I did buy the kit and now I feel like I can't use it.
May 29, 2011 2:57 PM"
Whatever everyone else has been saying here, you are now in a perfect position to write and ask SMJ directly about this "accusation." You can tell her that a friend informed you about this (if you don't want to admit you're reading here, that is) and you are not comfortable using the kit now because of it. She should/might at least give you some explanation or background info that I hope you would consider sharing with us later. :)
Is it what you teach your kids? You are the insane one.
May 30, 2011 4:15 AM
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Yes, I sat my kids down last night and let them know that if they purchase a digital scrapbooking kit only to find that the designer used scanned paper products, they should NOT use said digital scrapbooking kit or they're a bad person. How did you know?
A knock-off is something that is meant to look like something else, but has enough differences that it's not a direct copy. The elements in the kit by SMJ are not a knock-off, they are an direct copy. And it doesn't matter if they were scanned or if she re-created them. Either way, they are a direct copy and that is not legal unless she had permission to do that.
Well at least you know the difference between knockoff and counterfeit unlike some and I was just making a point. I think I also said that if she scanned and used the Jolee items then she was breaking copyright so get off your high horse and lecture someone else. Buying knockoffs is legal and you will find them in every store in the mall. Buying counterfeits is illegal and in New York City for example they arrest some of the street vendors for selling those counterfeits. That being said the point I was trying to make was what some others said-there is very little that is totally and thoroughly original. Ideas come from everywhere and those who have good ideas and good selling goods are going to be mimicked by others.
OMG, it all makes sense now. SDD's site suddenly takes on a nonsensical half-fantasy/half-not, mish-mashed look. Now COLS is opening up shop there. I think it's clear that she was hired to redesign the site, and her payment was a spot at the shop after she was done. God help us all. LOL.
Here is some new news: Sugar Hill Company is going ALL CU only as of July first. No more PU at all. I applied to their designer call out of curiousity, sent a link to product samples. They were PU. Got an email from Tina saying that "sorry, but we are going totally CU products only as of July 1, and to send a link to some CU samples". just fyi here.
I wish that the knock-off monkey would stfu. Sorry, but it is annoying that every other post is you repeating yourself. I get that you have beliefs about knock offs. What will it take to get you to stop talking about it?
OMG, it all makes sense now. SDD's site suddenly takes on a nonsensical half-fantasy/half-not, mish-mashed look. Now COLS is opening up shop there. I think it's clear that she was hired to redesign the site, and her payment was a spot at the shop after she was done. God help us all. LOL.
May 30, 2011 9:25 AM
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omg, lmao here! EXACTLY!
Here is some new news: Sugar Hill Company is going ALL CU only as of July first. No more PU at all. I applied to their designer call out of curiousity, sent a link to product samples. They were PU. Got an email from Tina saying that "sorry, but we are going totally CU products only as of July 1, and to send a link to some CU samples". just fyi here.
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Makes sense. CU is the only reason I ever shop there, anyway. Guess I'm not the only one.
OMG, it all makes sense now. SDD's site suddenly takes on a nonsensical half-fantasy/half-not, mish-mashed look. Now COLS is opening up shop there. I think it's clear that she was hired to redesign the site, and her payment was a spot at the shop after she was done. God help us all. LOL.
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Ha! Obviously she designed the site using one of her upcoming kits, no less. ROFLMAO.
The site design was created by Magical Reality. It says so at the bottom of the store.
I know SDD checks new designers quality carefully. Is it possible that COLS has finally learned something about quality? Does anyone know if there are new samplers from her we can download to see?
I wish that the knock-off monkey would stfu. Sorry, but it is annoying that every other post is you repeating yourself. I get that you have beliefs about knock offs. What will it take to get you to stop talking about it?
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Does her quality matter? Her designs are fugly.
A knock-off is something that is meant to look like something else, but has enough differences that it's not a direct copy. The elements in the kit by SMJ are not a knock-off, they are an direct copy. And it doesn't matter if they were scanned or if she re-created them. Either way, they are a direct copy and that is not legal unless she had permission to do that.
It's illegal to sell counterfeits, not knock-offs. Counterfeits are illegal because you aren't getting an authentic product and the seller is stealing the trademark of the company. This happens all the time with purses, Disney items, and watches.
A knock-off would indicate that there is some difference and the company is using it's own brand logo and trademark.
I wish that the knock-off monkey would stfu. Sorry, but it is annoying that every other post is you repeating yourself. I get that you have beliefs about knock offs. What will it take to get you to stop talking about it?
The site design was created by Magical Reality. It says so at the bottom of the store.
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Oh. My. God. Sarcasm, you moron. The person who posted about COLS creating the site was using sarcasm. It was a joke. Much like your brain.
The site design was created by Magical Reality. It says so at the bottom of the store.
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This makes even MORE sense. I'm sorry but her fantasy kits are some of the poorest quality I've seen. Give me quality over quantity any day!
To whoever is randomly cutting and pasting old comments from above into the current comments... seriously? I don't know that I have EVER been bored enough to do something so stupid. Either contribute something interesting and new to the convo, or don't. But none of us wants to read shit from 30 comments ago again. We've all moved on, and suggest you do the same.
Think SSD will be looking to fill MandaBean's spot? Who do you think the good candidates would be? Or who do you think would be vying for the spot?
you are always shopping with the owner - every single sales benefits the owner.
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So? She made a bad choice in a designer in her store, how does that really effect you?
It doesn't effect me, but it does make me not want to spend money there. I don't give my money to stores when I don't agree with what they are doing. This is the same in my 'real world' life too.
If other designers in the store don't like it - they can talk to Yvonne about it or move on to a different store.
I could see a lot of the girls from SO fitting in at SSD, but I don't think that would really be a step up. (It's more of a sideways move IMO.) So I don't see the point in any of them moving.
Maybe Jady Day or Amy Stoffel. They both kind of have that SSD style.
Jady, yes maybe. Amy's style isn't very SSD at all, though, just IMO. Her style is way funkier, less "paper-scrapper-ish". Seems to me that almost all of the SSD designers have the same general style. Amy's doesn't seem to fit that mold at all (not that I don't like her designs, b/c I do... but it's just less generic than most all of SSD's).
I have come to think that SSD picks people whose products seem marketable to a wider audience, rather than going w/ designer choices that are actually unique and offer something different to the shop. That's the difference I see between SSD and SO. SO takes on some designers who, honestly, I don't like their designs at all... but those designs add variety. At SSD is all the same.
And no, I am not affiliated w/ either store and haven't ever applied either place (before anyone assumes I am badmouthing SSD due to jealous rage).
Some of Amy's stuff is total crap. It's hit or miss with her.
I agree with Jady Day. I don't know if any of these would apply but I could also see fitting in at SSD Micheline Martin, Thaty Borges, Kristin Aagard, Stolen Moments and Mye De Leon (even though she seems unliked here).
To whoever is randomly cutting and pasting old comments from above into the current comments... seriously? I don't know that I have EVER been bored enough to do something so stupid. Either contribute something interesting and new to the convo, or don't. But none of us wants to read shit from 30 comments ago again. We've all moved on, and suggest you do the same.
May 30, 2011 11:01 AM
Why don't you follow your own advice!
I see that Shilo is still at Digiscrappers Brasil. I would have thought that would be the first store to kick her out. Especially after she came here and posted their private forum comments.
Didn't Micheline sell at SSD back in the day?
I think Mye is too new to be invited to sell at SSD.
And Stolen Moments? You've got to be kidding. Basic as basic gets.
I agree with Kristin, though. I think her style is a good fit...maybe too much competing for customers between her and Liella though?
I see that Shilo is still at Digiscrappers Brasil. I would have thought that would be the first store to kick her out. Especially after she came here and posted their private forum comments.
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I thought the EXACT same thing! She must know where the bodies are buried @ DSB.
Shilo didn't post those comments. They already kicked the person out that did when it happened.
Shilo didn't post those comments. They already kicked the person out that did when it happened.
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I call bull shit on this. If she'd steal from her "collaborators" .. she'd post private forum messages. No one has heard from her since the accusations.
Shilo didn't post those comments. They already kicked the person out that did when it happened.
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then who was it?
Micheline? No way, not if they do QC on products at SSD. I'm actually glad that someone brought her up. I love her products. Well, the previews anyway. They always look so original and cute and she definitely has her own, distinct style. But I have been suckered into buying from her one too many times, and have found quality issues on at least 3 different occasions. You should see the jaggies on a heart in one of the kits I just got from her shop during iNSD. Who can manage jaggies on a heart? Also, she routinely enlarges elements to make them bigger, but ends up with a pixelated-looking mess that is horrendous and makes it impossible to use on any layout that's actually going to be printed. The final straw for me came when I got a set of her CU cardstock textures recently... zoomed in to 100%, they're also a pixelated mess. She obviously stretched something out that was scanned on an 8.5x11 bed so she could make it 12x12. Ugh. The first couple of times, I was shocked, since she's so well-known and popular, and I figured it was an odd mistake/oversight. Now, looking at these disastrous overlays, I realize that she has no understanding of quality. Has nobody else noticed this?
One of the CT members? A few have "left" recently!
I dont think it was Shilo.
There was no proof posted that she did post it here. Then again who knows anymore.
Now who the is COLS? I never heard of them!
Micheline DID sell at SSD a while ago.
Is it just me or is there a new template designer opening up shop every week?
Is it just me or is there a new template designer opening up shop every week?
May 30, 2011 3:49 PM
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Everyone can be a template designer, didn't you know? :P
COLS = Circle of Life Scraps who recently changed it to COL Studio. Big deal . Google it - check the blog.
and listen - I sell in a shop with Mye. She's nice. She's cute. Thats it. Her kits are all CU, the girl has NO imagination what so ever. If you pay attention, you will see that she copies color schemes routinely, too. There is very little variety in her kits..alot of recolors. There is no way on earth that she would make SSD. Like many others, I was surprized when she made the Digichick. Nice? yes. Basic? VERY. IF Mye could come up with an original idea for a kit once in a while , then, maybe down the road, yeah - she might qualify. and no - I don't expect anyone here to see the color palette copies - you would have to watch the new releases of others in her shops and then watch her new releases a week or two later. NO - its no biggie to copy color schemes, or themes for that matter. But this is ALL the time.
and Thaty Borges would be a shoe in for SSD, but since she just got into SBG, I rather doubt she would make the move.
@ 3:39 ... no offense to you but if you don't like her CU then why the hell do you waste your money on inferior product? Why can't you make your own? You know, if you have a quality camera you can take pictures of the bottom of a sauce pan or the paint on your house and make a kick ass texture. It's free and all it costs you is a little bit of time and ingenuity.
Again, no offense against the OP but damn, I'm really tired of all of the BS belly aching, when it is SO FRIGGIN' SIMPLE to make your own textures!
Learn how to do it yourself then you won't have to bitch and moan when shit doesn't come out the way you expect.
Make it your own damn self (collective self, not any individual poster). Learn your friggin' software. If you have PS ... it is the MOST amazing tool.
Gawd ... I hate to see people complaining all the time about inferior CU providers.
At least they have the balls to get out there and attempt something.
Just put up or shut up.
because we all have high quality cameras, of course ...
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That's a bullshit excuse. Anyone can get a quality camera for less than $500. Even the friggin' cell phones take a good shot every once in a while.
Dang ... for a while I had a crappy point and shoot and every once in a while got a good shot. LOL
Yeah, it's only about $500. Who doesn't have that kind of spare cash just kicking around?
Not using CU is WAY more important than feeding your family, paying your mortgage, or medical bills and the like. Some people have no priorities!
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Then maybe you need to take a break from designing. Get YOUR priorities straight. That $10 you are spending on Crap CU ... could be your Medicare prescription co-pay.
Get a life.
If you really wanted to buy a quality camera, all it takes is a little squeezing of the belt.
Take it from someone who knows. I saved for 2 years before I bought a good camera.
Wow you are amazing! It only took you 2 years to save up $500?? That must have cost you a lot of extra night shifts at the drive through window. And now you don't have to use CU. So I really respect you!
I see nothing wrong with CU, especially templates and stuff like that. What bothers me is seeing the same clip art in 10 different kits in the same store (ummm, Stuff to Scrap, anyone?). If designers want to use CU, please use it creatively. If you just plop, I don't care. I just won't buy from you.
I have a point and shoot and a old scanner - and can still photography and extract
Did Kay Miller ever sell at SSD? Her style seems to fit in there pretty well. I used to buy from Micheline pretty frequently, and hadn't noticed any quality issues. What I did begin to notice though was the same CU flowers being used from kit to kit - and a few of kits I purchased from her had multiple items (same strings, buttons, frames, doodles) that were the same - just recolored to suit the kits color scheme. That to me is lazy and a little stupid because why would you put the same things in multiple kits? If you want to generate repeat business, that's not the way to do it. If you're going to use CU - at least buy enough of it so that you're not using the same CU over and over in all of your kits.
As far as the comment about "anyone can be a template designer", I don't agree with that. Just like I don't agree that "anyone can be a designer". Yes, it's true that anyone can "try" to be either - but very few will be successful. I happen to like using templates, but will only purchase templates from those designers that are also talented scrappers. There are way too many people just pumping out templates that don't know the first thing about what makes a good layout design.
Didn't Micheline sell at SSD back in the day?
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Yep, she sure did, for about six months or less, before she moved. She used to do a lot of store hopping in the day
I call bull shit on this. If she'd steal from her "collaborators" .. she'd post private forum messages. No one has heard from her since the accusations.
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Right, because that's a logical leap, not! I'm not for or against Shilo, but that is a stupid ass assumption.
The first couple of times, I was shocked, since she's so well-known and popular, and I figured it was an odd mistake/oversight. Now, looking at these disastrous overlays, I realize that she has no understanding of quality. Has nobody else noticed this?
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She's well known as a store hopper with poor quality. If you've been around for long enough, you would have known this.
There is no way on earth that she would make SSD. Like many others, I was surprized when she made the Digichick. Nice? yes. Basic? VERY. IF Mye could come up with an original idea for a kit once in a while , then, maybe down the road, yeah - she might qualify. and no - I don't expect anyone here to see the color palette copies - you would have to watch the new releases of others in her shops and then watch her new releases a week or two later. NO - its no biggie to copy color schemes, or themes for that matter. But this is ALL the time.
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Sounds just like Melissa Bennett, who does sell at SSD.
Did Kay Miller ever sell at SSD? Her style seems to fit in there pretty well.
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Very, very briefly, before she decided to stick with her own store, but this was about two years ago? Maybe a little less.
A lot of people at SSD use CU in their kits. So do most other designers out there. Big deal. I don't see that being a reason to keep someone new from selling there.
I have never bought Micheline Martin's kits. It's too bad that the quality isn't good, her kits look really cute based on the previews.
In response to the person asking about Kay Miller, I think she did sell at SSD a while back. I think she's at A5D now. I wonder why she left SSD.
Right, because that's a logical leap, not! I'm not for or against Shilo, but that is a stupid ass assumption.
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Yeah ... how stupid of me to assume Shilo is dishonest when "Happy Tits" proved that Shilo was stealing and Shilo never bothered to respond when we "know" she is a frequent visitor here
I'd love to live where you do where everything is rainbows and lollipops.
Nice try @ deflection, Shilo.
Look, we all know you tried and it's not going to work. Own up already.
Happy Tits was at least bold enough to come clean, why won't you?
I have a point and shoot and a old scanner - and can still photography and extract
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Thank YOU! Someone who is willing to put in some elbow grease and at least attempt to be creative.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Wow you are amazing! It only took you 2 years to save up $500?? That must have cost you a lot of extra night shifts at the drive through window. And now you don't have to use CU. So I really respect you!
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Ummmmmm ... I'm not the one who is bitching about spending my hard earned $$$$ on crap CU.
Damn straight I worked hard for every extra nickel, dime and dollar.
Try it, you might find a sense of self worth!
I have a point and shoot and a old scanner - and can still photography and extract
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Thank YOU! Someone who is willing to put in some elbow grease and at least attempt to be creative.
May 30, 2011 6:07 PM
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Put your shoulder to the wheel!! Always remember, creating all of your own product and never using anything you didn't make yourself with a stick and your own home made glue, makes you way better than everyone else! (Just make sure the stick is from your own yard and that you originally planted the tree it grew on.)
Wow you are amazing! It only took you 2 years to save up $500?? That must have cost you a lot of extra night shifts at the drive through window. And now you don't have to use CU. So I really respect you!
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Ummmmmm ... I'm not the one who is bitching about spending my hard earned $$$$ on crap CU.
Damn straight I worked hard for every extra nickel, dime and dollar.
Try it, you might find a sense of self worth!
May 30, 2011 6:12 PM
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I wasn't the one who posted about using CU, that was someone else. I actually don't use CU and I don't care if anyone else does. I do think you are on some pointless crusade to rid the world of CU and I think it's fun to push your buttons.
Plus I'm sick of hearing the CU argument over and over. So I thought I'd play with it.
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You know what is funny? Is that I am NOT against CU. I am simply against people who complain about purchasing sub-par CU. I mean it is non-stop around here.
Simple solution = If you don't like it ... make your own.
Period.
End of sentence.
There's the tired adage ... "If you want something done right, do it yourself"
Yeah ... how stupid of me to assume Shilo is dishonest when "Happy Tits" proved that Shilo was stealing and Shilo never bothered to respond when we "know" she is a frequent visitor here
I'd love to live where you do where everything is rainbows and lollipops.
Nice try @ deflection, Shilo.
Look, we all know you tried and it's not going to work. Own up already.
Happy Tits was at least bold enough to come clean, why won't you?
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Oh, wow, you are so smart! You guessed it was me!! I'm so impressed with your skills of deduction. Who knew that someone would guess who it was? Gee willikers, did you ever think of going on Who Wants to be a Millionaire? You'd be a shoo in, you're so smart.
You know what is funny? Is that I am NOT against CU. I am simply against people who complain about purchasing sub-par CU. I mean it is non-stop around here.
Simple solution = If you don't like it ... make your own.
Period.
End of sentence.
There's the tired adage ... "If you want something done right, do it yourself"
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Word.
I actually can't think of many designers off the top of my head that would be a good fit for SSD. I like a couple of those that were already mentioned, but they are already in good stores (which means they aren't likely to move). I think Jady Day might be a good choice. I think SSD is a step up from SM.
good on Kay leaving SSD, instead of being lost in the sea of sameness. She probably left for A5 so her designs wouldn't be the same as everyone else's in the shop.Seriously looking at SSD's shop makes my eyes hurt because it's all so similar. I get that the style of the designers there is geared toward more "paper" looking kits, but really - would a little bit of diversity hurt?
How many stores was Micheline in? I never noticed her designs until she appeared at A5D.
I think sometimes you have to move around before you find the right store. But it seems like some people look down on a designer for changing stores and call them store jumpers. I don't get that.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
good on Kay leaving SSD, instead of being lost in the sea of sameness. She probably left for A5
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She didn't turn up at A5 until about a year after she left SSD. Might have been less, but it wasn't immediately afterwards.
I think sometimes you have to move around before you find the right store. But it seems like some people look down on a designer for changing stores and call them store jumpers. I don't get that.
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We've been through this before, a store hopper is someone who changes stores frequently in a short space of time. Micheline was in at least six stores before she retired and then turned up at A5D.
We've been through this before, a store hopper is someone who changes stores frequently in a short space of time. Micheline was in at least six stores before she retired and then turned up at A5D.
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I "found" her at Catscrap - and then she moved to A5D - I didn't know of her before then though ... never realized she retired
I'm not the one who posted about crap CU ... but I tried making my own for a long time and failed. Even when I thought I had a good image, I'd get right in close and see it wasn't clear enough to sell. I'd rather spend money on CU than make my own and have my stuff be crap.
I know how to do it, I just don't have the tools. I am actually saving for a DSLR but its going to take some time. In the meantime I'm not going to NOT design.
If you get an undercooked steak at the restaurant, do you think 'oh well, if I wanted it done right I'd do it myself' and not complain?
If you get a pair of pants home and find the seam was sewn wrong, do you think 'oh well, I should have sewn my own pair if I wanted them done right'?
When you build your home, if the glass for the windows arrives with a fault, do you think 'damn, I should have hand-blown the glass myself, I guess I can't complain'?
We buy things from people - everything from tools of various trades to finished product - when we don't have the time, inclination, or skills to make them ourselves. You aren't giving up your right to quality when you pay for something - in fact, you have even MORE right to quality when you are paying someone to do it rather than doing it yourself.
Micheline did not retire and then turn up at A5, she was at Catscrap for a while before A5 had a designer call.
What I love are the designers that are in like 5 stores...sometimes having different prices at each store for the same product.
A few million-store designers that come to mind are Connie 'no creativity' Prince, her puppy dog Mye, Trixie 'triple chin' Scraps and I think even Shilo and Happy Tits have multi-stored it at one time or another...
She's been at
Scrap Outside The Box
Scrap 2 Basics
Distressed Diva
We Do Scraps
One of a Kind Scrapz
The Digi Shoppe
Sweet Shoppe Designs
Scrap Artist
Oscraps
(then retired in June 2009)
CatScrap
After Five
@ 3:39 ... no offense to you but if you don't like her CU then why the hell do you waste your money on inferior product? Why can't you make your own? You know, if you have a quality camera you can take pictures of the bottom of a sauce pan or the paint on your house and make a kick ass texture. It's free and all it costs you is a little bit of time and ingenuity.
Again, no offense against the OP but damn, I'm really tired of all of the BS belly aching, when it is SO FRIGGIN' SIMPLE to make your own textures!
Learn how to do it yourself then you won't have to bitch and moan when shit doesn't come out the way you expect.
Make it your own damn self (collective self, not any individual poster). Learn your friggin' software. If you have PS ... it is the MOST amazing tool.
Gawd ... I hate to see people complaining all the time about inferior CU providers.
At least they have the balls to get out there and attempt something.
Just put up or shut up.
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Alright, I'm the OP from 3:39, and just came back and read everything from this evening. I haven't been involved in any of the conversation from my OP to now, but I do have a couple of things to add now.
First of all, I know I set myself up for the tongue-lashing you just gave me, but wanted to clarify that I actually DO make my own CU. I sell some (not all) of it, too, and I'd say it's probably at least half of my product line (and sadly, brings in a lot more income than PU, because so few other people DO make their own tools). So the point here is that I completely agree with just about everything you said in this post, above... except for the part about people constantly purchasing/complaining about inferior CU when they should just make it themselves. For the record, I'm not an idiot. I didn't purchase CU from Micheline, decide it was crap, and purchase it again and again. The overlays I mentioned above were my first CU experience with her (and last). And I see nothing wrong with someone using someone else's textures every once in a while. Guess what? Even people who sell quality CU, like myself, like to dabble in other products now and then... to mix it up, and avoid a sea of sameness. I saw a texture in her pack that I didn't already have in my own files, and thought I'd give it a whirl. Then I unzipped the pack and saw it up close. Yikes.
My point in posting was mainly to argue the idea that Micheline could get into a shop like SSD, unless they don't QC anything. Then again, very few shops do QC anything. But while posting, yes, I got off onto a little ranting tangent about her quality. Regrettably, since it spawned such and endless argument about the merits of CU-use throughout the past few hours.
One final p.s. for those who don't have the resources to buy a good camera or scanner (and yes, everyone, there ARE people who can afford $10 a month on CU but can't afford items that cost hundreds... so let's be respectful of that): if you ARE using CU on everything, at least have the creativity to blend your overlays with each other to create something new and fresh. Nothing I hate more than seeing a kit preview from one of my customers and I can immediately recognize every texture in it as mine, because they used it out of the box.
LOL ... sorry ... had to check out Circle of Life Scraps' blog ... apparently she had a "guess where I'm moving to" RAK going on ... someone guessed Scrapbook Graphics.
LOL ... sorry ... had to check out Circle of Life Scraps' blog ... apparently she had a "guess where I'm moving to" RAK going on ... someone guessed Scrapbook Graphics.
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LOL IRL. So, is that a testament to the lunacy of her fan base, or instead an indication of the downfall of SBG? Discuss. Ha ha ha JK.
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both. They did take on Thaty, nuff said.
If SSD want a new designer to fill the gap that Mandabean left then they could just get everyone else to make some stuff and throw it in a kit together with a new designer's name - it's not like anybody would notice.
I don't get your comment^^, Thaty is good.
Anonymous said...
I don't get your comment^^, Thaty is good.
May 31, 2011 1:38 AM
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I agree with you, Thaty.
I read you talking about SDD as if it was a top store. Are you serious? Are we talking about the same www.scrappity-doo-dah.com? Jesus, that store is at the bottom of my shop list!
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No one was talking about SDD being a top store. Gee, read between the lines much?
I don't get your comment^^, Thaty is good.
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Compared too ...?
I read you talking about SDD as if it was a top store. Are you serious? Are we talking about the same www.scrappity-doo-dah.com? Jesus, that store is at the bottom of my shop list!
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I was thinking the same thing!
Whoever posted about Thaty I also don't get your comment. She's not my favorite but I have bought from her before and she doesn't have bad quality at all. Maybe not your style but not bad.
She's been at
Scrap Outside The Box
Scrap 2 Basics
Distressed Diva
We Do Scraps
One of a Kind Scrapz
The Digi Shoppe
Sweet Shoppe Designs
Scrap Artist
Oscraps
(then retired in June 2009)
CatScrap
After Five
May 30, 2011 7:50 PM
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The end of that list consists of some of the better shops... how in the hell did she get in all of those? Gross.
I read you talking about SDD as if it was a top store. Are you serious? Are we talking about the same www.scrappity-doo-dah.com? Jesus, that store is at the bottom of my shop list!
SSD - Sweet Shoppe Designs
SDD - Scrappity Doo Dah
She's been at
Scrap Outside The Box
Scrap 2 Basics
Distressed Diva
We Do Scraps
One of a Kind Scrapz
The Digi Shoppe
Sweet Shoppe Designs
Scrap Artist
Oscraps
(then retired in June 2009)
CatScrap
After Five
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Wow, you have a problem. Creepy. Do you know what store every designer has been over the years or just her?
Wow, you have a problem. Creepy. Do you know what store every designer has been over the years or just her?
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LMAO, I was just going to post the same thing. Then I realized that it's probably just Micheline posting. No wonder "someone" got so offended about the quality post about her from earlier.
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both. They did take on Thaty, nuff said.
May 30, 2011 10:28 PM
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Instead of you maybe?
I noticed that Basic Grey is not selling at SBG anymore. Improvement for SBG?
Basic Grey digi is really expensive, very small downloads, not cute and not new and fresh at all. I am guessing it never sells.
Think SSD will be looking to fill MandaBean's spot? Who do you think the good candidates would be? Or who do you think would be vying for the spot?
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You're not considering the possibility that they've already filled Manda's spot. Pure speculation here, but Meredith Cardall just this week announced that she's leaving Sunshine Studio Scraps and Sugar Hill because she received an offer that was too good to pass up on (or something along those lines) and the new shop requires her to be exclusive. Her designs definitely fit into the generic SSD style, and she just collabed with Misty Cato earlier this month. That's my best guess.
LMAO @ Trixie 'triple chin' and Happy Tits!
I know for a fact that the store Meredith is going to is not SSD.
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My guess is she's going to Scrap Orchard...do I win something if I'm right?
That would be a better move for her. I think her designs would sell better at SO than at SSD.
I don't get the Trixie hate?
(And no, I'm not her)
Meredith isn't going to SO or SSD.
If she was invited to a store where exclusivity is required, could it be SBG???
Scrapmatters is exclusive now.
What is there not to get about the Trixie hate? She's a two faced, fat bitch.
I don't get the Trixie hate?
(And no, I'm not her)
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Agreed. I know we all come here to dish the dirt and talk smack about other designers, etc. But unless someone actually invites personal attacks (for instance: Happy Tits being such an A-glass moron here last week), it seems like it's unnecessary to make unsolicited snide comments about someone's personal appearance. I'm POSITIVE that there are a lot of you out there who are overweight, and it's irrelevant. Smack her designs, leave her body out of it. Just my opinion (tho I am sure it's shared).
Speaking of Happy Tits, where'd she go?
The OP was smacking her designs.
What store do you shop at the most lately?
i rather doubt Meredith is going to SBG. i'm thinking the Digichick.
Speaking of Happy Tits, where'd she go?
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She's probably at the bank ... counting the thousands of dollars Shilo was forced to pay up.
And by $1,000, you really mean $6? LOL
i rather doubt Meredith is going to SBG. i'm thinking the Digichick.
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Doubtful. Digichick doesn't require designers to be exclusive (just that the products they sell there are exclusive to Digichick). I think that whoever said Scrapmatters up above was probably right. As I type this, I am realizing that I can't believe we're all sitting around playing a guessing game about Meredith Cardall. !?
It isn't SM either.
You didn't say it wasn't SBG.
different person than above but it's not SBG either
Who the fuck is Meredith Cardall?
Who the fuck is Meredith Cardall?
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Amen
http://www.digishoptalk.com/products/showphoto.php?photo=91859&cat=all&limit=last1
LMFAO what a name for a kit.
Meredith --> http://sunshinestudioscraps.com/shop/manufacturers.php?manufacturerid=112
Scrap That Idea is closing at the end of June. Bummed. I liked their stuff.
Meredith is going to 9&B.
They have several new designers joining them
http://www.digishoptalk.com/products/showphoto.php?photo=91859&cat=all&limit=last1
LMFAO what a name for a kit.
May 31, 2011 3:22 PM
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Seriously? someone thought to name their kit "Doggie Style"? LOL!!!!!!
What is there not to get about the Trixie hate? She's a two faced, fat bitch.
May 31, 2011 1:46 PM
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It sounds like you have a story? Perhaps you would be willing to share what she did to be granted such a title?
I just googled her and she seems real nice from her blog.
Instead of you maybe?
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LMBO, I have no interest in designing.
Wow, you have a problem. Creepy. Do you know what store every designer has been over the years or just her?
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Yeah, I do. I have an eidetic memory, jealous?
Who would be jealous of that. Ignorance is bliss:)
Yeah, I do. I have an eidetic memory, jealous?
May 31, 2011 6:08 PM
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No you don't. You are just a wierd stalker.
Whoever posted about Thaty I also don't get your comment. She's not my favorite but I have bought from her before and she doesn't have bad quality at all. Maybe not your style but not bad.
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Her style is boring and about six other designers at SBG already do it. I never mentioned quality, but the last thing I got from her was questionable and her ideas aren't all that original. Anyone remember the tree templates that were an exact rip from iStock vectors?
Did anyone email SMJ and ask for a refund?? No response from Jolee?? Amazing how that topic got passed over with no closure.
No you don't. You are just a wierd stalker.
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I especially looked it up yesterday as someone asked about how many stores Micheline had been in. Everyone always asks for proof. I provide proof. Some of you smack hags are never happy.
I informed Jolee's legal department. So either they don't care, she had permission, or they are handling it on their own without feeling the need to inform us. In any case, if they aren't going to do anything about it, there's really nothing any of us can do. Is there?
Did anyone email SMJ and ask for a refund?? No response from Jolee?? Amazing how that topic got passed over with no closure.
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I didn't, don't care enough to ask for a refund especially since I still plan on using it for some layouts.
Did anyone email SMJ and ask for a refund?? No response from Jolee?? Amazing how that topic got passed over with no closure.
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Yeah it did. I blame you for not following up better. You should be way more proactive about it. So tell us, what are you going to do to rectify this problem?
If Jolee has been informed, SMJ knows it is being talked about and the kit is still in the shop, then it must be ok and SMJ has whatever permissions she needs.
What I'd like to know is how someone realized this. What are the chances that you happened to see SMJ's kit and also saw the Jolee pack. Was it a coincidence? Are you a serious shopper. Curious minds want to know...
Trixie has burned bridges all over digiland. If you haven't crossed paths with her, consider yourself lucky.
So tell us, what are you going to do to rectify this problem?
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I'm not going to do anything. I knew someone else had already contacted Jolee. I didn't purchase the kit so I couldn't very well ask for a refund. It was mentioned in a previous post so I wondered if someone else had asked.
I've done my part in the past by notifying original creators that their work may be used inappropriately. Since I have not actually seen the Jolee pack nor do I own the kit, I don't feel it is my place to be proactive in this situation.
Any 411 on Weeds and Wildflowers that I should be aware of before I purchase something?
Gina is a sweetheart at W&W and quality is good on everything I have. I'm not sure about collabs but I see some with Cinzia and she's usually good too.
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I haven't purchased from Weeds & Wildflowers in a long time, so don't know what they are like now. In the past however, the quality was hit and miss.
Get a life.
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When you are on a smack blog, telling anyone to get a life makes you look like an idiot.
OK - not to change the subject but does anyone know how to make papers like this? Is this artrage?
http://www.sugarhillco.com/shop/CU-Painted-Bundle/
Meredith is going to ninth & bloom.
OK - not to change the subject but does anyone know how to make papers like this? Is this artrage?
http://www.sugarhillco.com/shop/CU-Painted-Bundle/
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Looks like it. It could also be using brushes from CS5
Looks like it. It could also be using brushes from CS5
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Thanks :)
Gee, if you can't use Mickey in a kit, cuz its a copyright violation, how 'bout Kermit?
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/digital-site-designer-announcements-25/news-dhl-june-1st-278900/
Anonymous said...
Meredith is going to 9&B.
May 31, 2011 4:10 PM
Anonymous said...
They have several new designers joining them
May 31, 2011 4:12 PM
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Must be a bunch leaving... shocking.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/products/showphoto.php?photo=91859&cat=all&limit=last1
LMFAO what a name for a kit.
May 31, 2011 3:22 PM
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lmao Thank you. I needed that!
http://www.digishoptalk.com/products/showphoto.php?photo=91859&cat=all&limit=last1
LMFAO what a name for a kit.
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It's even funnier that it's at Divine Digital.
I think it's the new brushes in CS5 for painting. I've never gotten such a smooth look from Art Rage.
Gee, if you can't use Mickey in a kit, cuz its a copyright violation, how 'bout Kermit?
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/digital-site-designer-announcements-25/news-dhl-june-1st-278900/
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Wow. I think some people just want to get caught doing stupid shit so they get some sort of attention.
Is the brand name still on that piece of chocolate that's CU? lol.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/products/showphoto.php?photo=91859&cat=all&limit=last1
LMFAO what a name for a kit.
May 31, 2011 3:22 PM
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lmao Thank you. I needed that!
^^^^^^^^
I second this. Made my night. :-)
I think it's the new brushes in CS5 for painting. I've never gotten such a smooth look from Art Rage.
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There a lumps and bumps, I think it's Art Rage.
***BUGLE FANFARE***
are you all ready for what, in my opinion, is the ugliest damn blog train ever??? Starts at midnight! "Monkeying Around". I have never seen such awful previews...there are a couple cute ones...but OMG - the same monkey's...over and over and over and over.......I can see why quite a few people dropped out. They didn't even get the normal 100 signups.....
oh. ***STOPS THE BUGLE FANFARE***
Gee, if you can't use Mickey in a kit, cuz its a copyright violation, how 'bout Kermit?
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/digital-site-designer-announcements-25/news-dhl-june-1st-278900/
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I don't even know why he's in there in the first place, he doesn't fit the rest of the kit at all.
got a link to the ugliest damn blog train ever? please and thank you
Gee, if you can't use Mickey in a kit, cuz its a copyright violation, how 'bout Kermit?
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/digital-site-designer-announcements-25/news-dhl-june-1st-278900/
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Muppets are owned by Disney. It's a big no-no. But reporting stuff like this to Disney is useless because they never do anything. The best results come from a public flogging at DST. Or contacting the store owner. lol
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I'm assuming it's the DST Blog Train.
yeah, its the blogtrain blog. and wow....it DOES suck.
yeah, its the blogtrain blog. and wow....it DOES suck.
June 1, 2011 2:12 AM
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Where do you see the previews?
Are you talking about this blog http://www.blogtrainblog.blogspot.com/ ? Last post is from April.
Is it again in the DCR? Not everyone here has access.
It doesn't officially launch until noon on the 1st, so the Blog Train Blog will be updated then. In the meantime you can probably find it on some people's blogs.
http://www.wishingwellcreations.com/
that one is towards the top of the list but not sure how many of them are posted already
^^^^^
That one's actually one of the better ones I've seen. You should see some of the others. Horrible. Simply horrible. It's probably the color palette, which admittedly I don't like, but still. Gross.
Muppets are owned by Disney. It's a big no-no. But reporting stuff like this to Disney is useless because they never do anything. The best results come from a public flogging at DST. Or contacting the store owner. lol
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i like how everyone is always willing to publicly flog (at DST) the "lesser designers" like this kermit idiot, as you suggest we do... but nobody's done the same to SMJ (all the while complaining here that her case is "unresolved"). such a hypocritical lot, we are.
Anonymous said...
If Jolee has been informed, SMJ knows it is being talked about and the kit is still in the shop, then it must be ok and SMJ has whatever permissions she needs.
What I'd like to know is how someone realized this. What are the chances that you happened to see SMJ's kit and also saw the Jolee pack. Was it a coincidence? Are you a serious shopper. Curious minds want to know...
May 31, 2011 6:25 PM
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I'm the one who originally posted the question (without naming SMJ). The reason I noticed is because I love her designs, but still do some paper scrapping as well. I actually purchased the Jolee's Boutique stickers in question and used them on a layout recently, so that's why it stood out for me. For those that don't dabble in the paper world, Jolee's Boutique and EK Success (the makers) are one of the biggest companies out there, so thought it was odd that would scan their stuff.
i like how everyone is always willing to publicly flog (at DST) the "lesser designers" like this kermit idiot, as you suggest we do... but nobody's done the same to SMJ (all the while complaining here that her case is "unresolved"). such a hypocritical lot, we are.
June 1, 2011 7:03 AM
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One person posted that suggestion. That's not "everyone". One post is not the representation of the opinion of all the readers.
Are you willing to start the thread flogging SMJ? I'm not. Because it's possible that Jolee's sold commercial rights to the items. I doubt they handed over that permission for free and there is some sort of royalties arrangement.
I know that Disney doesn't give out that sort of rights unless one is willing to pay a lot of money in royalties.
So two different situations...
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Two different situations, to a degree. But I think the point made by OP is pretty valid, which is that none of us is willing to start the public flogging thread when it's someone well-known and respected like SMJ, but we'll throw any random no-name designer out to the wolves without even blinking. Hypocritical, yes. Reality, yes. Sucks to be a no-name designer.
But nobody has posted a thread at DST about the kermit kit! (I'm not a designer. Maybe in the designer special forum?) Right now they are both being treated in the same way. It's not hypocritical until someone actually only posts about the Kermit kit and leaves out SMJ.
people post "questions" like that all the time in the designer forum, and then people get all high and mighty about copyright violations for a day or two, tho I haven't seen anything about kermit yet. haven't been to dst in a few days anyway
I think I may have nightmares from seeing Barf's contribution to the blog train.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ABXHVGzKHH8/TcXM9NJEa9I/AAAAAAAAAnE/48FkD8jFxZo/s400/Bspeck-monkeyingaround.jpg
haha, yes that one's awful. I went thru the first 20 or so and only found 4 worth downloading (4! just #5,10,13,18, which is not a great ratio out of 20). then I decided I just don't like the colors and probably won't ever scrap with any of it, so I stopped. this month's colors are horrid. kudos to the few designers I saw who found a way to make it seem more neutral and less like mcdonald's on crack.
They need to stop doing that blog train. They are always gross.
They need to stop doing that blog train. They are always gross.
Speak for yourself. I don't think that this blog train is awful. There are some cute ideas and the colors if used in another theme would probably have been perfect for you. Why you need to come here and wine is beyond me. Just because you don't like it plenty of others do as I've already had many downloads and several comments and it hasn't even been up one day. Sooooo thbbbbbbbb on you!! ROFL
The colors of the blog train were gross for the theme IMO. I think the organizer needs to let someone else pick the palette.
I think the colors are fabulous for Halloween or Thanksgiving layouts. Or outdoorsy camping type of layouts.
Personally I don't care for the monkeys but I think people with little children would like them. Looking through the slideshow I see many possibilities. When I download from a blog train I put everything in one folder and then keep what I like. In a large collab like this I do not keep the designers separate. Since everything goes together I can mix and match as I see fit.
I can see some of the more generic kits in the blog train being perfect for Fall photos.
I don't really get the colors for the theme. How can you have monkey stuff without green (for leaves) and yellow (for bananas)? Just blah.
^^^^^^^^
This!!!!
Those colors are ugly for any kit. They are just mucky and dark and heavy. She'd do better going to a color pallette site or blog and picking someone else's swatch. The blog train themes are usually pretty fun (IMO) but the swatches are terrible.
Has any body bought the New Digi Files? Any sneak peeks of what's in it?
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