Oh please. Is Maya taking designers by force? Against their will? No. She obviously offers designers a spot and they accept it. She isn't kidnapping them.
^You need to look up the definition of cut-throat. It has nothing to do with kidnapping or taking designers against their will.
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I actually know the definition of cutthroat already, but thanks for the helpful suggestion to look it up. I was responding to the statement that Maya is "Stealing designers left and right..."
She doesn't steal them. She asks them to come. If they leave their old store behind (likely small time crappy store and likely your small time crappy store judging by your bitterness on the subject), then that is the designer's choice. Store owners own the store, they don't own the designer.
I'm the OP. I wasn't bitter. I was actually being sarcastic based on a past conversation and the surge of Maya talk about her taking designers from PBP. (next time I'll note my sarcasism.)
Ok, want to share with me then why someone would hate Maya so badly for "stealing" designers if it isn't personal in some way? Maybe you aren't the store owner, maybe you aren't a passed by designer, CT wanna be, a scrapper she was rude to. So why the comments about her? You just like to pick a random person and talk shit on them? Why? There is no reason for that.
They kinda do if there's a contract in place. ---------
Only if the signed and agreed upon contract states that the designer has agreed to stay at that store for ever and ever amen.
And good luck enforcing that. Different countries have different contract laws. Different states in the US have different contract laws from each other. And the contract that some store owner wrote up herself while her kid was taking a nap, isn't likely to be the most legally binding document of the century.
------- You're welcome. I hate to see you continue to swill in your ignorance. There are likely to be several designers under your direct ownership afterall.
It's quite obvious that no one is going to be able to change your mind about this. So go ahead, have your little thoughts and ideas. May they serve you well, even when they are incorrect.
Ok thanks for your permission. And pardon me for attempting a reasonable conversation. Next time I'll be sure to sink to a jr. highschool level before expressing any opinions here.
Feel free to continue on bashing away at whomever for no reason whatsoever. Because at this point, I definitely believe you when you say there is nothing personal involved. Some people are obviously immature enough to bash someone for no reason at all except that everyone else is doing it.
Well yes, actually, I'm leaving for now. Because it's really really late here and I'm tired.
But no I'm not leaving forever. I've been posting here for years. You aren't the first person to disagree with me, nor will you be the last. Thanks for entertaining me for a little while though.
But no I'm not leaving forever. I've been posting here for years. You aren't the first person to disagree with me, nor will you be the last. ------
If you been posting for years, you would know that there's usually more than one person posting and you've actually been disagreeing with at least two people. I know, because I'm one of them and I didn't post everything you replied to.
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You're so fucking hilarious. You must be the smartest person in the world..NOT
You think you know Amy and Trish so well. You don't fuckers. ESS was probably the best and most laid back site to work for. They had the best pay and the best requirements of any site I've ever known.
You know..Karma is a bitch and I hope you all get yours. Fucking assholes.
MY life is good bitch. I am confident enough in my life that I don't need to start a website bashing designers and customers and stores. I'm just bashing the assholes who think they're better than the rest (which you most certainly are NOT.)
You all need to get jobs or better hobbies. You're all probably welfare parents who are sucking up MY husband's hard earned money, while you sit on your fat ass and making babies you can't afford....
For the record, you foul mouthed person who is obviously dependent on stirring up drama (hmm wonder if Alyssa is back?) no one was bashing ESS or Trish or anyone involved until you ran in here calling everyone douchebags.
We were simply talking about the rumors and wondering what was going on.
Oooo she called me foul mouthed. I'm SO scared...please.
I don't know why the hell you people think there were rumors about ESS. It just so happens that the designers were told something and at least one of them couldn't keep their mouth shut and said something which then of course you know how shit spreads and is never told right.
I honestly don't know what the hell you guys care anyway. All you welfare mommies should go find jobs so my husband doesn't have to keep paying for your fat asses and your 15 babies by 10 different daddies.
You are whacked out of your mind! Did you read what was posted here? There wasn't a bunch of untrue rumors. Most posts didn't believe that the store was closing. Quit being so defensive over nothing. You're not helping Trisha because you are proving that she's just as into the drama as everyone else.
You're all probably welfare parents who are sucking up MY husband's hard earned money, while you sit on your fat ass and making babies you can't afford.... -----------
You all need to get jobs or better hobbies. You're all probably welfare parents who are sucking up MY husband's hard earned money, while you sit on your fat ass and making babies you can't afford.... _________________________________
This is too cute. Your HUSBAND's hard earned money! Get a fucking job yourself. You're no better than a welfare queen when you sit at home and let your husband support you except that the welfare is not government sponsored but husband sponsored.
HA..Dumb bitches. My husband makes more in one week than you pathetic losers make in a month. I don't HAVE to work because he provides for me very nicely and I run the show around here.
I honestly don't know what the hell you guys care anyway. All you welfare mommies should go find jobs so my husband doesn't have to keep paying for your fat asses and your 15 babies by 10 different daddies. June 13, 2011 10:45 PM
I honestly don't know what the hell you guys care anyway. All you welfare mommies should go find jobs so my husband doesn't have to keep paying for your fat asses and your 15 babies by 10 different daddies.
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*yawn*. Plenty of people with money, careers and education here. The only one here behaving like a guttersnipe who belongs on Jerry Springer is you my dear. I'd trot out my resume and education for you, but then I couldn't be anonymous anymore and you might stop being my friend, customer, whatever. Though I doubt that would be much of a loss to me.
HA..Dumb bitches. My husband makes more in one week than you pathetic losers make in a month. I don't HAVE to work because he provides for me very nicely and I run the show around here.
June 14, 2011 2:42 AM
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You may have money but you certainly don't have class! Trash exists at all income levels.
If ESS had the "best pay" then it wouldn't be closing. There wasn't a thing in that shop I'd take for free and I have no idea which "big name" designers got their start there. I can't think of any. Can someone shed some light on that one for me?
Amy Lee is about as white trash as it gets. If her husband really does well for himself, great. That means Amy can take the time she has to get herself a decent haircut and lose about 50 pounds. After all, if you're going to sit and home and sponge off your husband, at least look decent doing it.
I can't speak for everyone else here but I don't receive any government money, nice try though. Do you think you're one of a kind because your husband can provide for you and you can stay home? Sorry to burst your bubble but I also stay home because my husband makes enough that I can do so. I'm sure there are more here in the same position.
Also if ESS had the best pay then they would not be closing. You said they had the most laid back requirements and I would guess that is one reason the store wasn't doing well. I'm not just guessing that it wasn't doing well, Trish stated herself that it wasn't making money.
Ellie Lash WAS selling her PU kits there...then Connie Prince joined in....Ellie is suddenly gone, or else I'm missing something. Sugarhill is going CU only, so she won't be selling her kits there...
and I see Wyld Web is still selling at Gingerscraps...even tho she's also over at Scrapmatters - and I thought they went exclusive?
Ellie Lash announced she was taking a break from selling personal use products. She will only have new CU products now. I think you can still find her personal use products in her personal shop.
and I see Wyld Web is still selling at Gingerscraps...even tho she's also over at Scrapmatters - and I thought they went exclusive?
------ She was at SM after their Design Star competition. I think they had a period of time to decide to go exclusive at SM or not. Regardless, she's not at SM now. At least I don't see her on their designer list.
Ellie Lash WAS selling her PU kits there...then Connie Prince joined in....Ellie is suddenly gone, or else I'm missing something.
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Trying to create drama that isn't there? June 14, 2011 11:26 AM
Anyone who has ever sold in a store with Connie Prince knows she is nothing but a drain. Her CT does everything for her - including making half her products and running her challenges.
Anyone who has ever sold in a store with Connie Prince knows she is nothing but a drain. Her CT does everything for her - including making half her products and running her challenges.
June 14, 2011 11:32 AM
So you think she has the power to run Ellie off? Get real!
Plenty of designers work just fine with her and don't jump ship. And who cares who is making her quick pages and word art? Many designers do it that way. CP wasn't the firts and won't be the last. Every designer worth anything has CT running their blogs and challenges.
Anyone who has ever sold in a store with Connie Prince knows she is nothing but a drain. Her CT does everything for her - including making half her products and running her challenges.
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A designer and CT that actually stays active and creates new products is such a drain on the store? Makes sense to me.
Plenty of designers work just fine with her and don't jump ship. And who cares who is making her quick pages and word art? Many designers do it that way. CP wasn't the firts and won't be the last. Every designer worth anything has CT running their blogs and challenges.
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I agree. Connie is a sweetheart and all the designers I've talked to who work with her just love her. Just because Ellie is taking a break from her PU products doesn't mean it has anything to do with Connie.
As a designer, I have my ct handling my blog posts and challenges -- most designers do it this way because it gives them more time to do the actual designing.
Every designer worth anything has CT running their blogs and challenges. June 14, 2011 11:36 AM
------------- This is the kind of thinking that is hurting this industry. It is, however, a great way to induce CT burnout.
I don't personally know Connie Prince, and I wouldn't blame just one person for most problems in this industry. Because, like someone else said, she's not the first and wont be the last. But having your CT do half your work isn't helping this industry at all.
All Connie's CTs do in forums is bump threads. They're not actually contributing anything to the store or community.
If you go to active forum shops like SSD and SO, you see designers (and the owners) in those forums ALL THE TIME. And you see their CT doing more than bumping threads.
If you go to active forum shops like SSD and SO, you see designers (and the owners) in those forums ALL THE TIME. And you see their CT doing more than bumping threads.
June 14, 2011 12:11 PM
I've been on CTs for designers from both those stores. They still have CT making freebies, doing challenges, and posting on their blogs. CTs are the designers little slaves. LOL! (I'm not complaining either, I chose it and had fun while I was active.)
I don't hang out in forums any more so I don't care how a designer interacts (or doesn't for that matter) in a forum. I buy their products because I like them and I've grown to trust the quality. CP is one of those designers. I appreciate that she regularly release new items.
I think we should do away with all the forums. It's a major time and money suck for the stores. Only a few stores run a great forum that probably helps the store make money.
I think we should do away with all the forums. It's a major time and money suck for the stores. Only a few stores run a great forum that probably helps the store make money. ---------
It's a great theory, but terrible in practice. Most consignment stores that don't have forums don't do very well.
This industry is so weird. Do you think paper cares about a designer being active in a forum? ----------
It's apples and oranges. The paper business didn't start as a cottage industry. Besides, judging from the paper scrap smack blogs, they do care what designers do and how they behave and where they are active.
The one paper smack blog I used to visit all the time shut down, the owner couldn't handle all the crap. I didn't blame her. The stuff that went down on that blog makes the last few days around here tame by comparison.
On to a new topic: what stores do YOU consider middle-tier? And why?
June 14, 2011 11:54 AM
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I go strictly by FB fan numbers.
June 14, 2011 12:03 PM
^^^^^^^^^^
That method is inflated, with freebies now being posted to fan pages, when they blog about the fb freebies.. the freebie blogs & sites pick up on it. Freebie hunters will "like" anything that gets them more stuff.
Funkycrapground opened without forums when Michelle took over, they were going to be so 'unique' and 'original.' And then they just copied everyone else.
You may not like forums, but customers obviously do.
I rather like this part, and think we should all try to do this here:
"Thank you to our regulars who have done an excellent job in recent times of keeping it clean, and maintaining a pretty productive and constructive discussion.
For the newcomers to the most recent thread; I reiterate the statement I am forced to make every few months: this is a place to smack the shoddy business practices that appear all to often in this industry, to smack poor customer service and substandard product. It is not a place to denigrate someone's appearance, or worse still, make up lies about a scrapbooker who you dislike. It is not a place to smack parenting skills, weight, genetics, personal alcohol choices, spousal occupations or otherwise."
Ha I was just going to post that! I can't stand her, she shows up every few weeks or months to try and drum up attention for her crappy projects. Then when someone puts her in her place, she disappears again. Maybe she wouldn't be so stressed if she wasn't such an attention whore.
Anyone ever hear of Graphics by Pokadot? - http://graphicsbypokadot.blogspot.com/
I just got a newsletter from there today. I've never heard of Graphics by Pokadot before today and didn't subscribe to the newsletter. Anyone have insight on who this is?
Anyone ever hear of Graphics by Pokadot? - http://graphicsbypokadot.blogspot.com/
I just got a newsletter from there today. I've never heard of Graphics by Pokadot before today and didn't subscribe to the newsletter. Anyone have insight on who this is? -----------------
Shameless and transparent way to advertise yourself, IMO. Nobody else would have come here and posted such a stupid "question", because you obviously already had the blog address and could have answered your own "question" by going to the blog. Except I think YOU'RE "pokadot". Fail.
Shameless and transparent way to advertise yourself, IMO. Nobody else would have come here and posted such a stupid "question", because you obviously already had the blog address and could have answered your own "question" by going to the blog. Except I think YOU'RE "pokadot". Fail. ---------------
Nice try by I'm not Pokadot. As a matter of fact, I'm not a designer, period. I'm a consumer. All I wanted to know was if anyone here had heard of that desginer. I certainly don't want to advertise for whomever it is cause from the brief glance I got at the stuff for sale in the newsletter...it looked like so much crap...and the blog address was in the newsletter.
Anyone ever hear of Graphics by Pokadot? - http://graphicsbypokadot.blogspot.com/
----- I had heard of her as she posts scripts in the products gallery of DST. I have to say that her kits "seem" better (and more useful) than most of her scripts, but I am only commenting from the previews as I never purchased or downloaded any of her stuff (not my style). (remember this one? http://www.digishoptalk.com/products/showphoto.php?photo=83489 )
You just like to pick a random person and talk shit on them? Why? -------
Nah, just Maya and there's plenty of reason for it too. Ask anyone on this blog, oh, anyone but you that is. --------------------------------- Me too. I have no grudge against Maya. I've always liked her and I like SBG too.
I don't think there are that many Maya haters on this blog. Since the postings are anonymous the few can sometimes seem like the many.
I think it is pretty funny that when someone comes here to bash anonymous posters, they are also bashing themselves because they are also posting on the blog anonymously....
Anyone who has ever sold in a store with Connie Prince knows she is nothing but a drain. Her CT does everything for her - including making half her products and running her challenges. ------------------------------ That is called delegating which can be a smart way to run your business.
For the newcomers to the most recent thread; I reiterate the statement I am forced to make every few months: this is a place to smack the shoddy business practices that appear all to often in this industry, to smack poor customer service and substandard product. It is not a place to denigrate someone's appearance, or worse still, make up lies about a scrapbooker who you dislike. It is not a place to smack parenting skills, weight, genetics, personal alcohol choices, spousal occupations or otherwise." ------------------------------- I love this!
I don't know who that tornado was that came in here but I'm glad she is gone. Her anger was totally misplaced. All I saw was some questions about whether ESS was closing or not and some confusion about a temporary versus a permanent shutdown. There were no rumors and no bashing. Then Trish came in to clarify the situation. (Thank you Trish). The next thing I know this tornado comes along with a rant like I haven't seen in a long time. It is almost like she blames this blog for the store closing, which doesn't make sense at all. I think this chickie was just majorly PMSing and somehow misunderstood the role this blog played in the situation.
But I have to say I do not subscribe to the notion that an anonymous blog gives us a license to be foul-mouthed and mean-spirited. I think how one acts on an anonymous should be reflection to how they act in real life. At least that is how it is for me.
But I have to say I do not subscribe to the notion that an anonymous blog gives us a license to be foul-mouthed and mean-spirited. I think how one acts on an anonymous should be reflection to how they act in real life. At least that is how it is for me. ----------
Me too. I think most of the regulars would agree. It's only the occasional drive by poster that tends to be really nasty and foul mouthed.
Me too. I have no grudge against Maya. I've always liked her and I like SBG too. -----
I don't have a grudge either, but that's because I don't hold grudges. I do have a problem with Maya though. If you've only dealt with her on a customer basis, she's great, behind the scenes, not so much.
Well in the midst of happy tits and trucker trash I must have missed the answer to the real question I think we all had back with the old topic going. Whatever happened with the Shabby Miss use of the Jolee sticker thing? Did we just forget and move on because of who she is? Or did someone actually get a response back from someone and proof that she was allowed to use them? Spotlighting was diverted.
Cuz while an interesting train wreck to read, no one really gives a rats behind about ESS or Demo. Unless I missed somewhere how crap designers translate into hot topic worthy
Anyone who has ever sold in a store with Connie Prince knows she is nothing but a drain. Her CT does everything for her - including making half her products and running her challenges. ------------------------------ That is called delegating which can be a smart way to run your business.
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No, Connie. It's annoying that every blog train submission you put up is actually created by your CT designers-in-training. It's annoying that you rarely post anything as yourself on your blog/FB anymore. It's annoying because if we wanted to follow your CT, we would have done that (and now you're probably losing customers, who originally wanted to buy from you and not your underlings).
Delegation is good to a point, but there's a line and certain designers like you have crossed it into lazyland. This post is to all designers who aren't doing anything for themselves anymore, not just miss Prince.
^^^^ I agree. But this is worse: http://www.sunnydayscraps.com/2011/06/blog-girl-call-and-sale.html She's looking for a CT assistant and... a designer assistant!!! Her job will be: "Help me with the CT Assistant to make sure she is doing her job". Well, then Sunny Day will hire a Designer Director, to make sure the designer assistant is doing her job and so on!
^^^^^^^^ Who cares? She's trying to run her business like a business. Seems smart to me. A lot, (if not most) sucessful professionals hire someone to help them create and market their products. I don't see what the problem is.
she creates a lot of the freebies on her blog. It will say if it's by someone else which isn't that unusual for a designer (except the blog train, I've only seen her do that). And the posts are signed with her name if she posted them. She does post on her blog. It's possible that someone might be posting under her name, but why bother with the charade if she isn't doing it that way all the time?
I bet if you emailed her and told her that you were disappointed that she didn't do the blog train freebies, she would take that into consideration next time.
Who cares? She's trying to run her business like a business. Seems smart to me. A lot, (if not most) sucessful professionals hire someone to help them create and market their products. I don't see what the problem is.
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not the OP here, but I'd disagree here b/c the point of a blog train is to generate some traffic for the designer, maybe gain some new customers, and let them sample your work. CP's not letting anyone sample anything, as the entire contribution (every month of blog train!) is totally done by her girl shari. I'm a designer and I think it's ridiculous and stupid. she's the only person I have ever seen that doesn't even put together a few measly papers and 5 ellies for blog train. don't want to do it? stop signing up, then. make shari sign up under her own design name/blog. it's so crazy.
I guess I just don't get why some CT members are willing to do so much work for free. Or are they getting paid (but I doubt it)? If they want to waste their time just to receive free kits, it's their problem.
I'm a designer, too, and I make all my own products. Freebies included. I want customers to see MY work, not my CT's work. I never ask my CT to make anything but layouts with my products.
I don't consider it good business to not have your products represent YOU. If you have people make extras (like clusters and templates) for you, that's great. But if they need their name attached to them, then they're not representing you, the designer. They're just marketing themselves riding on your coattails.
It's one thing to be a mentor. It's quite another to be a pimp.
I'm a designer, too, and I make all my own products. Freebies included. I want customers to see MY work, not my CT's work. I never ask my CT to make anything but layouts with my products.
I don't consider it good business to not have your products represent YOU. If you have people make extras (like clusters and templates) for you, that's great. But if they need their name attached to them, then they're not representing you, the designer. They're just marketing themselves riding on your coattails.
It's one thing to be a mentor. It's quite another to be a pimp.
^^^ Totally agree - and I, as a fellow designer, also do all my own work (all my own advertising, freebies, challenges, posting, etc). Sure - some outsource - but I'd rather my customers know me
I do all my own work as a designer as well. That's just how I prefer to work. I am really picky about my quality and my style and I only want my own personal creations to represent me.
I don't actually know how Connie works, because I've not been paying any attention to her, except from what is written here. But it sounds like she prefers to outsource some of her work. She uses her name sort of like a brand, and hires out people to fill in the product. That's also a completely appropriate method of designing.
Just because something isn't done the way you'd do it, doesn't make it incorrect. I suggest not buying from her if her method bothers you.
It's one thing to be a mentor. It's quite another to be a pimp. _______________
Amen. This is the point: yes, "outsourcing" (as termed above) is a completely acceptable means of doing business, although I wouldn't ever do it this way myself. But if Connie wants to, and it's working for her (and obviously it is, because she's extremely successful), then super for her.
I do think, though, that she needs to quit signing up for blog trains/etc if it's not actually her work being showcased. It's one thing to have CT's make QP's for sale w/ their name/tag on them (which she has done), or templates, or a cluster/freebie here and there for the blog. It's quite another to have your CT's designing entire offerings (blog train portions and the like). In those cases, the CTM (or CTMs) need to get pushed out of the nest and stand on their own two feet. You want to design? Get a blog and join in. Good luck to ya.
I guess I just don't get why some CT members are willing to do so much work for free. Or are they getting paid (but I doubt it)? If they want to waste their time just to receive free kits, it's their problem. ______________
No, the weirder part is a designer who's willing to let another (wanna-be) designer pimp themselves on her blog. Who does that? Sekel must have photo blackmail material on the Princes or something.
She uses her name sort of like a brand, and hires out people to fill in the product. That's also a completely appropriate method of designing.
Just because something isn't done the way you'd do it, doesn't make it incorrect. I suggest not buying from her if her method bothers you. --------------
Just because it's only a small piece doesn't mean it's ok. I don't know if they are Amy Butler's or not, nor do I even know who that is, but I would assume that any fabric with patterns would have a copyright.
It's not the same. Tina copied a lot of the Ikea stuff, it was easily recognizable. In this case, the person isn't even sure if it's Amy Butler fabrics or not.
http://www.sunnydayscraps.com/2011/06/blog-girl-call-and-sale.html ^^^ I think she needs a post and ad editor instead of design and CT assistant. She can't spell or at least uses incorrect forms of words like there/their/they're. Ugh.
Not all patterned fabric is copyrighted. It would be nice if those who think they know all about the copyright laws really learn what's allowed and what's not and what might be and what is royalty free.
I'm 105% sure that it looks almost exactly like some copyrighted images that I can't exactly remember. But I pinkie promise that I've seen them before by someone else. Now lets all beat the crap out of this topic for next 3 days! No one stop discussing this before we resolve the issue, or I'll be outraged that you let the subject die. And I'll know it's just because she's a big named designer. Shame on you all for letting it go...in advance.
Not all patterned fabric is copyrighted. It would be nice if those who think they know all about the copyright laws really learn what's allowed and what's not and what might be and what is royalty free. ------
True. I was looking it up. While a fabric pattern can fall under the copyright law, which in the case of an Amy Buterl fabric, it would, what is done with the fabric does not fall under the copyright law. So, the designer has cut up some fabric and is selling the image of those scraps. She's not selling the pattern, just the scraps.
http://www.sunnydayscraps.com/2011/06/blog-girl-call-and-sale.html ^^^ I think she needs a post and ad editor instead of design and CT assistant. She can't spell or at least uses incorrect forms of words like there/their/they're. Ugh.
June 16, 2011 6:36 PM
She's the same person who posted looking for someone to make her a CU sun when she was changing her design name.
I'm 105% sure that it looks almost exactly like some copyrighted images that I can't exactly remember. But I pinkie promise that I've seen them before by someone else. Now lets all beat the crap out of this topic for next 3 days! No one stop discussing this before we resolve the issue, or I'll be outraged that you let the subject die. And I'll know it's just because she's a big named designer. Shame on you all for letting it go...in advance.
^^^ That wouldn't load - says the url isn't found?
It's not the same. Tina copied a lot of the Ikea stuff, it was easily recognizable. In this case, the person isn't even sure if it's Amy Butler fabrics or not.
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This is by far one of the dumbest arguments someone has posted on this blog in quite a while. Just because one poster this afternoon "isn't sure" if it's Amy Butler or not, doesn't make this case any different, in theory, from the Tina/IKEA thing from ages ago. What if the first poster about Tina's hadn't been 100% sure, either? The two situations aren't any different just because one person "isn't sure" today. The next 20 people might be sure, and just haven't checked the blog yet today.
Now, what MIGHT make these situations different is what is being done w/ the product (cut up scraps vs selling a CU pattern). But the selective memory abilities of other posters here have NOTHING to do w/ whether or not these situations are the same or not.
I really, really hope you're being sarcastic/funny/ironic. Otherwise, please grow a sense of humor.
^^^ LMAO ... oops ... seriously - I thought it was some "new" thing where it strictly was "copycat" - not just "inspired" by all other designers ... yadda yadda - I get it - sorry - it's been a long ass week
^^^ I assumed that the pp was also 7:41 PM. Apologies for assuming of you weren't. Just bored with the same exact copyright arguement over and over and over.
I assumed that the pp was also 7:41 PM. Apologies for assuming of you weren't. Just bored with the same exact copyright arguement over and over and over. --------
You assumed wrong and I only just saw your apology, so I apologize for my curt original reply one post above.
So I saw this morning that Sugary Fancy is now at ScrapMatters. She also sells at DigscrapBrasil and DSW. It says on her blog she's closing her DSW store, but will continue to sell at DSB even though she's at ScrapMatters.
Did SM change their exclusive policy? What's the scoop?
A screw is the best thing we've got for today? How sad that we've all morphed into 13 year old boys... Guess it's a good thing there wasn't a nut in there, too.
No news on the ScrapMatters thing? No one is talking?
I thought the acrylic thought bubble was much funnier than the screw. I had to reread it several times before I realized that it was only the word screw that was supposed to be funny.
I don't consider it good business to not have your products represent YOU.
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For the last 2 months I have picked up a whole lot of old kits. They are all crap and I can't believe you all still have them for sale in your shop. No, I am not complaining to each individual designer to get my money back, but I am crossing designers off left and right. (Just because you are still selling them doesn't mean your customers are happy after they open then and try to use them.) If you have kits older than 15 months for sale in your shop, you need to open them up and QC them and quietly fix them.
I like Wendy (wendyzine scraps) but sometimes am totally baffled by some of the actions she creates. She must have a market for them or she wouldn't create them. Honestly, why do you need an action to help you stack papers?
No, I am not complaining to each individual designer to get my money back, but I am crossing designers off left and right. (Just because you are still selling them doesn't mean your customers are happy after they open then and try to use them.) If you have kits older than 15 months for sale in your shop, you need to open them up and QC them and quietly fix them.
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That's fine, you're allowed to cross designers off your list, quietly. Your choice. But it would definitely help out if you'd just post names/kits here, instead of being all "polite" about it; this is a smack blog, for god sake. Tell us what's so bad, so we can avoid (or fix) it.
No, I am not complaining to each individual designer to get my money back, but I am crossing designers off left and right. (Just because you are still selling them doesn't mean your customers are happy after they open then and try to use them.) If you have kits older than 15 months for sale in your shop, you need to open them up and QC them and quietly fix them
----- You probably don't want to take the time to email the designers but I'm sure they would like to know of any issues. I would so I could fix it.
I am just an average scrapper, not a designer. I am not active on any CT's, although I have been in the past. I am not active in any "scrapbook community", I don't post on the message boards, and I don't post my layouts online anymore. I read the Digi boards for entertainment, and am constantly amazed at what people share on the internet. I freely admit to reading the scrapbook smack blogs, it is a guilty pleasure.
You can email me at: DSTHallofFame@gmail.com
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Their mothers obviously didn't love them enough and they have no self esteem.
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You found me out. My mother hated me and I have zero self esteem. Oh the tragedy!
Replying to yourself is really lame.
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I didn't write the reply, fyi. I'm not a freaking schizophrenic.
That's not what schizophrenia is, fyi.
Well, someone managed to turn the spotlight off of Trish. How convenient!!!
Oh please. Is Maya taking designers by force? Against their will? No. She obviously offers designers a spot and they accept it. She isn't kidnapping them.
^You need to look up the definition of cut-throat. It has nothing to do with kidnapping or taking designers against their will.
June 13, 2011 7:03 PM
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I actually know the definition of cutthroat already, but thanks for the helpful suggestion to look it up. I was responding to the statement that Maya is "Stealing designers left and right..."
She doesn't steal them. She asks them to come. If they leave their old store behind (likely small time crappy store and likely your small time crappy store judging by your bitterness on the subject), then that is the designer's choice. Store owners own the store, they don't own the designer.
I'm the OP. I wasn't bitter. I was actually being sarcastic based on a past conversation and the surge of Maya talk about her taking designers from PBP. (next time I'll note my sarcasism.)
*sarcasm
(and I'll learn how to type)
Well, someone managed to turn the spotlight off of Trish. How convenient!!!
June 13, 2011 8:51 PM
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So true! Wow Trish, your mom or friend or whomever you sent here to defend you sure has a potty mouth!
Probably Amy Lee.
Store owners own the store, they don't own the designer.
June 13, 2011 8:53 PM
Whatch ya talkin' 'bout? Them be my hoes!
likely your small time crappy store judging by your bitterness on the subject
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Is that the best you can do? Always thinking it's personal? It just isn't so.
It is usually personal.
Is she gone yet? I was so scared of her bad language.
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I don't know who it is, but she comes through here on a regular basis.
It is usually personal.
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But not always
Store owners own the store, they don't own the designer.
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They kinda do if there's a contract in place.
It really wasn't. It was sarcasm.
Ok, want to share with me then why someone would hate Maya so badly for "stealing" designers if it isn't personal in some way? Maybe you aren't the store owner, maybe you aren't a passed by designer, CT wanna be, a scrapper she was rude to. So why the comments about her? You just like to pick a random person and talk shit on them? Why? There is no reason for that.
It's personal.
^she says she was being sarcastic.
They kinda do if there's a contract in place.
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Only if the signed and agreed upon contract states that the designer has agreed to stay at that store for ever and ever amen.
And good luck enforcing that. Different countries have different contract laws. Different states in the US have different contract laws from each other. And the contract that some store owner wrote up herself while her kid was taking a nap, isn't likely to be the most legally binding document of the century.
Thank you Bob Loblaw.
Thank you Bob Loblaw.
June 13, 2011 9:19 PM
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You're welcome. I hate to see you continue to swill in your ignorance. There are likely to be several designers under your direct ownership afterall.
There are likely to be several designers under your direct ownership afterall.
June 13, 2011 9:22 PM
And they kiss the ground I walk on too. I hired an attorney in exchange for digital scrapbook kits so I could have an air-tight contract.
Only if the signed and agreed upon contract states that the designer has agreed to stay at that store for ever and ever amen.
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I said KINDA, as in, kind of. Geez.
Thank you Bob Loblaw.
June 13, 2011 9:19 PM
LMAO!!!
You just like to pick a random person and talk shit on them? Why?
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Nah, just Maya and there's plenty of reason for it too. Ask anyone on this blog, oh, anyone but you that is.
It's personal.
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It's quite obvious that no one is going to be able to change your mind about this. So go ahead, have your little thoughts and ideas. May they serve you well, even when they are incorrect.
Ok thanks for your permission. And pardon me for attempting a reasonable conversation. Next time I'll be sure to sink to a jr. highschool level before expressing any opinions here.
Feel free to continue on bashing away at whomever for no reason whatsoever. Because at this point, I definitely believe you when you say there is nothing personal involved. Some people are obviously immature enough to bash someone for no reason at all except that everyone else is doing it.
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What are you talking about? Are you delusional?
does this mean you're leaving?
There's a lot of high and mighties tonight.
Well yes, actually, I'm leaving for now. Because it's really really late here and I'm tired.
But no I'm not leaving forever. I've been posting here for years. You aren't the first person to disagree with me, nor will you be the last. Thanks for entertaining me for a little while though.
Sincerely, Bob Loblaw
Everyone who posts on this blog is a high and mighty. Including me. Including you. That's why it's such a fun train wreck.
So you lecture people about how they should behave on a smack blog?
You can take your high and mighty position. I'll stay down here with the blog scum. ;)
But no I'm not leaving forever. I've been posting here for years. You aren't the first person to disagree with me, nor will you be the last.
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If you been posting for years, you would know that there's usually more than one person posting and you've actually been disagreeing with at least two people. I know, because I'm one of them and I didn't post everything you replied to.
Replying to yourself is really lame.
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You're so fucking hilarious. You must be the smartest person in the world..NOT
You think you know Amy and Trish so well. You don't fuckers. ESS was probably the best and most laid back site to work for. They had the best pay and the best requirements of any site I've ever known.
You know..Karma is a bitch and I hope you all get yours. Fucking assholes.
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What are you talking about?
If you believe in Karma, you need to be more careful.
MY life is good bitch. I am confident enough in my life that I don't need to start a website bashing designers and customers and stores. I'm just bashing the assholes who think they're better than the rest (which you most certainly are NOT.)
You all need to get jobs or better hobbies. You're all probably welfare parents who are sucking up MY husband's hard earned money, while you sit on your fat ass and making babies you can't afford....
For the record, you foul mouthed person who is obviously dependent on stirring up drama (hmm wonder if Alyssa is back?) no one was bashing ESS or Trish or anyone involved until you ran in here calling everyone douchebags.
We were simply talking about the rumors and wondering what was going on.
Oooo she called me foul mouthed. I'm SO scared...please.
I don't know why the hell you people think there were rumors about ESS. It just so happens that the designers were told something and at least one of them couldn't keep their mouth shut and said something which then of course you know how shit spreads and is never told right.
I honestly don't know what the hell you guys care anyway. All you welfare mommies should go find jobs so my husband doesn't have to keep paying for your fat asses and your 15 babies by 10 different daddies.
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Referring to yourself in the third person is really lame.
MY husband's hard earned money,
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Not working then? Maybe you should get a job, staying at home is clearly stressing you out.
You are whacked out of your mind! Did you read what was posted here? There wasn't a bunch of untrue rumors. Most posts didn't believe that the store was closing. Quit being so defensive over nothing. You're not helping Trisha because you are proving that she's just as into the drama as everyone else.
MY life is good bitch. I am confident enough in my life that I don't need to start a website bashing designers
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Clearly you aren't as confident as you think, if you feel the need to call me names and bash other people as well.
Oooo she called me foul mouthed. I'm SO scared...please.
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She wasn't trying to scare you.
You're all probably welfare parents who are sucking up MY husband's hard earned money, while you sit on your fat ass and making babies you can't afford....
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Is that the best you can do? Fail.
I honestly don't know what the hell you guys care anyway.
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We don't. Quit bringing it up.
I see that Amy is back.
You all need to get jobs or better hobbies. You're all probably welfare parents who are sucking up MY husband's hard earned money, while you sit on your fat ass and making babies you can't afford....
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This is too cute. Your HUSBAND's hard earned money! Get a fucking job yourself. You're no better than a welfare queen when you sit at home and let your husband support you except that the welfare is not government sponsored but husband sponsored.
Her husband is probably a long haul trucker. I know that if I were married to such a shrew, I would stay away from home as much as possible.
HA..Dumb bitches. My husband makes more in one week than you pathetic losers make in a month. I don't HAVE to work because he provides for me very nicely and I run the show around here.
Any person who starts a store who doesn't expect it to be FULL TIME is a moron. Plain and simple.
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You're so better than everyone else *eye rolls* I'm not even a store owner, but I don't like your attitude.
People like you should be gathered up and shot.
June 13, 2011 8:15 PM
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Hey Hitler, you should be careful about what you say. Karma is a bitch and you'll think of this blog if you lose a love one soon.
The fact that people keep saying Karma is bitch goes to show they have no clue what they are talking about.
I honestly don't know what the hell you guys care anyway. All you welfare mommies should go find jobs so my husband doesn't have to keep paying for your fat asses and your 15 babies by 10 different daddies.
June 13, 2011 10:45 PM
Yet your husband is paying for YOUR fat ass.
The fact that people keep saying Karma is bitch goes to show they have no clue what they are talking about.
June 14, 2011 3:15 AM
If YOU're a bitch, Karma will get you.
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Fer sure!
This place reads like a book version of 'real housewives'. At least with the tv versions you get to put a face to the catty comments.
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People actually watch that?
am I in lala land or back in highschool? Let's do some more name calling. It's very intelligent conversation to be sure.
I honestly don't know what the hell you guys care anyway. All you welfare mommies should go find jobs so my husband doesn't have to keep paying for your fat asses and your 15 babies by 10 different daddies.
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*yawn*. Plenty of people with money, careers and education here. The only one here behaving like a guttersnipe who belongs on Jerry Springer is you my dear. I'd trot out my resume and education for you, but then I couldn't be anonymous anymore and you might stop being my friend, customer, whatever. Though I doubt that would be much of a loss to me.
Wow.
The fact that people keep saying Karma is bitch goes to show they have no clue what they are talking about.
June 14, 2011 3:15 AM
Karma doesn't like being called a bitch.
HA..Dumb bitches. My husband makes more in one week than you pathetic losers make in a month. I don't HAVE to work because he provides for me very nicely and I run the show around here.
June 14, 2011 2:42 AM
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You may have money but you certainly don't have class! Trash exists at all income levels.
I have found that generally people who feel the need to brag about their income are insecure and make about 1/2 of what they say they do.
If ESS had the "best pay" then it wouldn't be closing. There wasn't a thing in that shop I'd take for free and I have no idea which "big name" designers got their start there. I can't think of any. Can someone shed some light on that one for me?
Amy Lee is about as white trash as it gets. If her husband really does well for himself, great. That means Amy can take the time she has to get herself a decent haircut and lose about 50 pounds. After all, if you're going to sit and home and sponge off your husband, at least look decent doing it.
You're so better than everyone else *eye rolls* I'm not even a store owner, but I don't like your attitude.
June 14, 2011 2:55 AM
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Said the person responding on a smack blog...
I can't speak for everyone else here but I don't receive any government money, nice try though.
Do you think you're one of a kind because your husband can provide for you and you can stay home? Sorry to burst your bubble but I also stay home because my husband makes enough that I can do so. I'm sure there are more here in the same position.
Also if ESS had the best pay then they would not be closing. You said they had the most laid back requirements and I would guess that is one reason the store wasn't doing well. I'm not just guessing that it wasn't doing well, Trish stated herself that it wasn't making money.
Gingerscraps.
Ellie Lash WAS selling her PU kits there...then Connie Prince joined in....Ellie is suddenly gone, or else I'm missing something. Sugarhill is going CU only, so she won't be selling her kits there...
and I see Wyld Web is still selling at Gingerscraps...even tho she's also over at Scrapmatters - and I thought they went exclusive?
Umm...has anyone even SEEN ESS?! The store sucked, get over it.
Ellie Lash announced she was taking a break from selling personal use products. She will only have new CU products now. I think you can still find her personal use products in her personal shop.
Ellie Lash WAS selling her PU kits there...then Connie Prince joined in....Ellie is suddenly gone, or else I'm missing something.
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Trying to create drama that isn't there?
and I see Wyld Web is still selling at Gingerscraps...even tho she's also over at Scrapmatters - and I thought they went exclusive?
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She was at SM after their Design Star competition. I think they had a period of time to decide to go exclusive at SM or not. Regardless, she's not at SM now. At least I don't see her on their designer list.
Ellie is suddenly gone, or else I'm missing something.
Yes, the announcement on her blog!
Ellie Lash WAS selling her PU kits there...then Connie Prince joined in....Ellie is suddenly gone, or else I'm missing something.
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Trying to create drama that isn't there?
June 14, 2011 11:26 AM
Anyone who has ever sold in a store with Connie Prince knows she is nothing but a drain. Her CT does everything for her - including making half her products and running her challenges.
Anyone who has ever sold in a store with Connie Prince knows she is nothing but a drain. Her CT does everything for her - including making half her products and running her challenges.
June 14, 2011 11:32 AM
So you think she has the power to run Ellie off? Get real!
Plenty of designers work just fine with her and don't jump ship. And who cares who is making her quick pages and word art? Many designers do it that way. CP wasn't the firts and won't be the last. Every designer worth anything has CT running their blogs and challenges.
Anyone who has ever sold in a store with Connie Prince knows she is nothing but a drain. Her CT does everything for her - including making half her products and running her challenges.
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A designer and CT that actually stays active and creates new products is such a drain on the store? Makes sense to me.
Plenty of designers work just fine with her and don't jump ship. And who cares who is making her quick pages and word art? Many designers do it that way. CP wasn't the firts and won't be the last. Every designer worth anything has CT running their blogs and challenges.
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I agree. Connie is a sweetheart and all the designers I've talked to who work with her just love her. Just because Ellie is taking a break from her PU products doesn't mean it has anything to do with Connie.
As a designer, I have my ct handling my blog posts and challenges -- most designers do it this way because it gives them more time to do the actual designing.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s15e07-youre-getting-old
Watch this. Basically what everyone is saying here.. I now read it just like stuff sounds in this episode.
Enjoy!
On to a new topic: what stores do YOU consider middle-tier? And why?
On to a new topic: what stores do YOU consider middle-tier? And why?
June 14, 2011 11:54 AM
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I go strictly by FB fan numbers.
lol.
Every designer worth anything has CT running their blogs and challenges.
June 14, 2011 11:36 AM
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This is the kind of thinking that is hurting this industry. It is, however, a great way to induce CT burnout.
I don't personally know Connie Prince, and I wouldn't blame just one person for most problems in this industry. Because, like someone else said, she's not the first and wont be the last. But having your CT do half your work isn't helping this industry at all.
All Connie's CTs do in forums is bump threads. They're not actually contributing anything to the store or community.
If you go to active forum shops like SSD and SO, you see designers (and the owners) in those forums ALL THE TIME. And you see their CT doing more than bumping threads.
If you go to active forum shops like SSD and SO, you see designers (and the owners) in those forums ALL THE TIME. And you see their CT doing more than bumping threads.
June 14, 2011 12:11 PM
I've been on CTs for designers from both those stores. They still have CT making freebies, doing challenges, and posting on their blogs. CTs are the designers little slaves. LOL! (I'm not complaining either, I chose it and had fun while I was active.)
I don't hang out in forums any more so I don't care how a designer interacts (or doesn't for that matter) in a forum. I buy their products because I like them and I've grown to trust the quality. CP is one of those designers. I appreciate that she regularly release new items.
This industry is so weird. Do you think paper cares about a designer being active in a forum?
I think we should do away with all the forums. It's a major time and money suck for the stores. Only a few stores run a great forum that probably helps the store make money.
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Agreed. I never visit any forum.
On to a new topic: what stores do YOU consider middle-tier? And why?
June 14, 2011 11:54 AM
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That is so fucking not a new topic.
That is so fucking not a new topic.
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I meant new as in: different from what was currently being talked about. Bitchy much?
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I do believe she was being ironic or sarcastic, duh.
I think we should do away with all the forums. It's a major time and money suck for the stores. Only a few stores run a great forum that probably helps the store make money.
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It's a great theory, but terrible in practice. Most consignment stores that don't have forums don't do very well.
This industry is so weird. Do you think paper cares about a designer being active in a forum?
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It's apples and oranges. The paper business didn't start as a cottage industry. Besides, judging from the paper scrap smack blogs, they do care what designers do and how they behave and where they are active.
Can you link to paper smack blogs?
Oh there were paper smack blogs. 2 Peas in Your Azz or something, for one. Not sure if any are still around.
The one paper smack blog I used to visit all the time shut down, the owner couldn't handle all the crap. I didn't blame her. The stuff that went down on that blog makes the last few days around here tame by comparison.
For sure. This blog is like the PG version compared to those old paper ones.
I do believe she was being ironic or sarcastic, duh.
June 14, 2011 5:44 PM
Thanks :)
I have no idea which "big name" designers got their start there. I can't think of any. Can someone shed some light on that one for me?
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Suzy Q Scraps and By Becca are two I can think of, off the top of my head.
On to a new topic: what stores do YOU consider middle-tier? And why?
June 14, 2011 11:54 AM
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I go strictly by FB fan numbers.
June 14, 2011 12:03 PM
^^^^^^^^^^
That method is inflated, with freebies now being posted to fan pages, when they blog about the fb freebies.. the freebie blogs & sites pick up on it. Freebie hunters will "like" anything that gets them more stuff.
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She was being sarcastic.
I have no idea which "big name" designers got their start there. I can't think of any. Can someone shed some light on that one for me?
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Suzy Q Scraps and By Becca are two I can think of, off the top of my head.
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Who? Never heard of them.
It's a great theory, but terrible in practice. Most consignment stores that don't have forums don't do very well.
June 14, 2011 5:46 PM
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Which ones don't have forums?
Scrap Artist dropped their forums and look what happened to them.
When PDW first opened, it was forumless but that didn't last long.
There are a few others, which I can't think of right now.
^Thank you. Those are good examples.
Funkycrapground opened without forums when Michelle took over, they were going to be so 'unique' and 'original.' And then they just copied everyone else.
You may not like forums, but customers obviously do.
I think customers lie the idea of forums. Most of them don't seem to hang around them. If you look at most forums, not very much happens.
There is no need for a store to have a forum. A smack blog would be better.
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Probably.
here you go:
http://thesmackcenter.blogspot.com/
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/search-100/iso-break-dealing-troubles-stress-280061/
Someone should link her up to a sex toys store!
Re: the link provided by 3:45am...
I rather like this part, and think we should all try to do this here:
"Thank you to our regulars who have done an excellent job in recent times of keeping it clean, and maintaining a pretty productive and constructive discussion.
For the newcomers to the most recent thread; I reiterate the statement I am forced to make every few months: this is a place to smack the shoddy business practices that appear all to often in this industry, to smack poor customer service and substandard product. It is not a place to denigrate someone's appearance, or worse still, make up lies about a scrapbooker who you dislike. It is not a place to smack parenting skills, weight, genetics, personal alcohol choices, spousal occupations or otherwise."
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/search-100/iso-break-dealing-troubles-stress-280061/
Someone should link her up to a sex toys store!
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Someone's starving for attention. (and her "stress" is probably well-deserved)
Sex toys are win. You say it like it's a bad thing!
Prude. ~_^
Ha I was just going to post that! I can't stand her, she shows up every few weeks or months to try and drum up attention for her crappy projects. Then when someone puts her in her place, she disappears again. Maybe she wouldn't be so stressed if she wasn't such an attention whore.
Suzy Q Scraps and By Becca are two I can think of, off the top of my head.
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Who? Never heard of them.
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Suzy sells at Scrap Orchard; Becca sells at 9th & Bloom.
Anyone ever hear of Graphics by Pokadot? - http://graphicsbypokadot.blogspot.com/
I just got a newsletter from there today. I've never heard of Graphics by Pokadot before today and didn't subscribe to the newsletter. Anyone have insight on who this is?
Anyone ever hear of Graphics by Pokadot? - http://graphicsbypokadot.blogspot.com/
I just got a newsletter from there today. I've never heard of Graphics by Pokadot before today and didn't subscribe to the newsletter. Anyone have insight on who this is?
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Shameless and transparent way to advertise yourself, IMO. Nobody else would have come here and posted such a stupid "question", because you obviously already had the blog address and could have answered your own "question" by going to the blog. Except I think YOU'RE "pokadot". Fail.
Shameless and transparent way to advertise yourself, IMO. Nobody else would have come here and posted such a stupid "question", because you obviously already had the blog address and could have answered your own "question" by going to the blog. Except I think YOU'RE "pokadot". Fail.
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Nice try by I'm not Pokadot. As a matter of fact, I'm not a designer, period. I'm a consumer. All I wanted to know was if anyone here had heard of that desginer. I certainly don't want to advertise for whomever it is cause from the brief glance I got at the stuff for sale in the newsletter...it looked like so much crap...and the blog address was in the newsletter.
^just unsub
^just unsub
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for real
I hate when designers subscribe people to their newsletters without permission. Tacky much?
pokadot hosted an ADSR challenge - if you did ADSR maybe you got subbed to their newsletter?
I agree it's really ugly stuff.
Anyone ever hear of Graphics by Pokadot? - http://graphicsbypokadot.blogspot.com/
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I had heard of her as she posts scripts in the products gallery of DST. I have to say that her kits "seem" better (and more useful) than most of her scripts, but I am only commenting from the previews as I never purchased or downloaded any of her stuff (not my style).
(remember this one? http://www.digishoptalk.com/products/showphoto.php?photo=83489 )
pokadot hosted an ADSR challenge - if you did ADSR maybe you got subbed to their newsletter?
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Not the OP, but I did ADSR and never got her newsletter.
Do you subscribe to the newsletter of the store she sells at? Maybe that's where she got your email.
You just like to pick a random person and talk shit on them? Why?
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Nah, just Maya and there's plenty of reason for it too. Ask anyone on this blog, oh, anyone but you that is.
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Me too. I have no grudge against Maya. I've always liked her and I like SBG too.
I don't think there are that many Maya haters on this blog. Since the postings are anonymous the few can sometimes seem like the many.
I think it is pretty funny that when someone comes here to bash anonymous posters, they are also bashing themselves because they are also posting on the blog anonymously....
Anyone who has ever sold in a store with Connie Prince knows she is nothing but a drain. Her CT does everything for her - including making half her products and running her challenges.
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That is called delegating which can be a smart way to run your business.
For the newcomers to the most recent thread; I reiterate the statement I am forced to make every few months: this is a place to smack the shoddy business practices that appear all to often in this industry, to smack poor customer service and substandard product. It is not a place to denigrate someone's appearance, or worse still, make up lies about a scrapbooker who you dislike. It is not a place to smack parenting skills, weight, genetics, personal alcohol choices, spousal occupations or otherwise."
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I love this!
I don't know who that tornado was that came in here but I'm glad she is gone. Her anger was totally misplaced. All I saw was some questions about whether ESS was closing or not and some confusion about a temporary versus a permanent shutdown. There were no rumors and no bashing. Then Trish came in to clarify the situation. (Thank you Trish). The next thing I know this tornado comes along with a rant like I haven't seen in a long time. It is almost like she blames this blog for the store closing, which doesn't make sense at all. I think this chickie was just majorly PMSing and somehow misunderstood the role this blog played in the situation.
But I have to say I do not subscribe to the notion that an anonymous blog gives us a license to be foul-mouthed and mean-spirited. I think how one acts on an anonymous should be reflection to how they act in real life. At least that is how it is for me.
But I have to say I do not subscribe to the notion that an anonymous blog gives us a license to be foul-mouthed and mean-spirited. I think how one acts on an anonymous should be reflection to how they act in real life. At least that is how it is for me.
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Me too. I think most of the regulars would agree. It's only the occasional drive by poster that tends to be really nasty and foul mouthed.
Me too. I have no grudge against Maya. I've always liked her and I like SBG too.
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I don't have a grudge either, but that's because I don't hold grudges. I do have a problem with Maya though. If you've only dealt with her on a customer basis, she's great, behind the scenes, not so much.
Well in the midst of happy tits and trucker trash I must have missed the answer to the real question I think we all had back with the old topic going.
Whatever happened with the Shabby Miss use of the Jolee sticker thing? Did we just forget and move on because of who she is? Or did someone actually get a response back from someone and proof that she was allowed to use them? Spotlighting was diverted.
Cuz while an interesting train wreck to read, no one really gives a rats behind about ESS or Demo. Unless I missed somewhere how crap designers translate into hot topic worthy
Did we just forget and move on because of who she is?
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I don't we forgot and moved on because of who she is, it's just that there was no answer and you only beat a dead horse for so long.
If it was a problem with Jolee's, the product would have been removed. Which means she probably had permission or they decided not to care.
I'd go for decided not to care.
Did we just forget and move on because of who she is?
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Yes
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No, I don't know who she is supposed to be, I just don't see the point in endless speculation.
Anyone who has ever sold in a store with Connie Prince knows she is nothing but a drain. Her CT does everything for her - including making half her products and running her challenges.
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That is called delegating which can be a smart way to run your business.
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No, Connie. It's annoying that every blog train submission you put up is actually created by your CT designers-in-training. It's annoying that you rarely post anything as yourself on your blog/FB anymore. It's annoying because if we wanted to follow your CT, we would have done that (and now you're probably losing customers, who originally wanted to buy from you and not your underlings).
Delegation is good to a point, but there's a line and certain designers like you have crossed it into lazyland. This post is to all designers who aren't doing anything for themselves anymore, not just miss Prince.
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I agree. But this is worse:
http://www.sunnydayscraps.com/2011/06/blog-girl-call-and-sale.html
She's looking for a CT assistant and... a designer assistant!!! Her job will be: "Help me with the CT Assistant to make sure she is doing her job". Well, then Sunny Day will hire a Designer Director, to make sure the designer assistant is doing her job and so on!
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Who cares? She's trying to run her business like a business. Seems smart to me. A lot, (if not most) sucessful professionals hire someone to help them create and market their products. I don't see what the problem is.
^the problem is that she didn't get a freebie created by CP so it ticked her off. boo hoo.
Hardly any of the designers post for themselves and very few create their own freebies. It's mostly CT making templates, clusters, qps and alphas.
she creates a lot of the freebies on her blog. It will say if it's by someone else which isn't that unusual for a designer (except the blog train, I've only seen her do that). And the posts are signed with her name if she posted them. She does post on her blog. It's possible that someone might be posting under her name, but why bother with the charade if she isn't doing it that way all the time?
I bet if you emailed her and told her that you were disappointed that she didn't do the blog train freebies, she would take that into consideration next time.
Who cares? She's trying to run her business like a business. Seems smart to me. A lot, (if not most) sucessful professionals hire someone to help them create and market their products. I don't see what the problem is.
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not the OP here, but I'd disagree here b/c the point of a blog train is to generate some traffic for the designer, maybe gain some new customers, and let them sample your work. CP's not letting anyone sample anything, as the entire contribution (every month of blog train!) is totally done by her girl shari. I'm a designer and I think it's ridiculous and stupid. she's the only person I have ever seen that doesn't even put together a few measly papers and 5 ellies for blog train. don't want to do it? stop signing up, then. make shari sign up under her own design name/blog. it's so crazy.
I guess I just don't get why some CT members are willing to do so much work for free. Or are they getting paid (but I doubt it)? If they want to waste their time just to receive free kits, it's their problem.
I'm a designer, too, and I make all my own products. Freebies included. I want customers to see MY work, not my CT's work. I never ask my CT to make anything but layouts with my products.
I don't consider it good business to not have your products represent YOU. If you have people make extras (like clusters and templates) for you, that's great. But if they need their name attached to them, then they're not representing you, the designer. They're just marketing themselves riding on your coattails.
It's one thing to be a mentor. It's quite another to be a pimp.
I'm a designer, too, and I make all my own products. Freebies included. I want customers to see MY work, not my CT's work. I never ask my CT to make anything but layouts with my products.
I don't consider it good business to not have your products represent YOU. If you have people make extras (like clusters and templates) for you, that's great. But if they need their name attached to them, then they're not representing you, the designer. They're just marketing themselves riding on your coattails.
It's one thing to be a mentor. It's quite another to be a pimp.
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Totally agree - and I, as a fellow designer, also do all my own work (all my own advertising, freebies, challenges, posting, etc). Sure - some outsource - but I'd rather my customers know me
I do all my own work as a designer as well. That's just how I prefer to work. I am really picky about my quality and my style and I only want my own personal creations to represent me.
I don't actually know how Connie works, because I've not been paying any attention to her, except from what is written here. But it sounds like she prefers to outsource some of her work. She uses her name sort of like a brand, and hires out people to fill in the product. That's also a completely appropriate method of designing.
Just because something isn't done the way you'd do it, doesn't make it incorrect. I suggest not buying from her if her method bothers you.
It's one thing to be a mentor. It's quite another to be a pimp.
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Amen. This is the point: yes, "outsourcing" (as termed above) is a completely acceptable means of doing business, although I wouldn't ever do it this way myself. But if Connie wants to, and it's working for her (and obviously it is, because she's extremely successful), then super for her.
I do think, though, that she needs to quit signing up for blog trains/etc if it's not actually her work being showcased. It's one thing to have CT's make QP's for sale w/ their name/tag on them (which she has done), or templates, or a cluster/freebie here and there for the blog. It's quite another to have your CT's designing entire offerings (blog train portions and the like). In those cases, the CTM (or CTMs) need to get pushed out of the nest and stand on their own two feet. You want to design? Get a blog and join in. Good luck to ya.
I guess I just don't get why some CT members are willing to do so much work for free. Or are they getting paid (but I doubt it)? If they want to waste their time just to receive free kits, it's their problem.
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No, the weirder part is a designer who's willing to let another (wanna-be) designer pimp themselves on her blog. Who does that? Sekel must have photo blackmail material on the Princes or something.
Speaking of designers who don't do their own work... pretty sure these fabric patterns are copyrighted...
http://www.mscraps.com/shop/product.php?productid=2990&cat=105&page=1
Some of those look like retired Amy Butler fabrics...
Do you have a link for the actual fabrics?
She uses her name sort of like a brand, and hires out people to fill in the product. That's also a completely appropriate method of designing.
Just because something isn't done the way you'd do it, doesn't make it incorrect. I suggest not buying from her if her method bothers you.
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Agreed completely.
Her CT does everything for her - including making half her products and running her challenges.
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That's their choice. If it doesn't bother them, why the heck does it bother you? No one is holding a gun to anyone's head, as far as I know.
Speaking of designers who don't do their own work... pretty sure these fabric patterns are copyrighted...
http://www.mscraps.com/shop/product.php?productid=2990&cat=105&page=1
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That's reaching a bit. It's only some small scraps. I was expecting 12 x 12 papers.
Just because it's only a small piece doesn't mean it's ok. I don't know if they are Amy Butler's or not, nor do I even know who that is, but I would assume that any fabric with patterns would have a copyright.
Exactly... just like Miss Tiina with Ikea's stuff.
It's not the same. Tina copied a lot of the Ikea stuff, it was easily recognizable. In this case, the person isn't even sure if it's Amy Butler fabrics or not.
http://www.sunnydayscraps.com/2011/06/blog-girl-call-and-sale.html
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I think she needs a post and ad editor instead of design and CT assistant. She can't spell or at least uses incorrect forms of words like there/their/they're. Ugh.
Not all patterned fabric is copyrighted. It would be nice if those who think they know all about the copyright laws really learn what's allowed and what's not and what might be and what is royalty free.
OMG look at this kit:
http://www.anykitanywhere.anydigishop.com/
I'm 105% sure that it looks almost exactly like some copyrighted images that I can't exactly remember. But I pinkie promise that I've seen them before by someone else. Now lets all beat the crap out of this topic for next 3 days! No one stop discussing this before we resolve the issue, or I'll be outraged that you let the subject die. And I'll know it's just because she's a big named designer. Shame on you all for letting it go...in advance.
Not all patterned fabric is copyrighted. It would be nice if those who think they know all about the copyright laws really learn what's allowed and what's not and what might be and what is royalty free.
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True. I was looking it up. While a fabric pattern can fall under the copyright law, which in the case of an Amy Buterl fabric, it would, what is done with the fabric does not fall under the copyright law. So, the designer has cut up some fabric and is selling the image of those scraps. She's not selling the pattern, just the scraps.
http://www.sunnydayscraps.com/2011/06/blog-girl-call-and-sale.html
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I think she needs a post and ad editor instead of design and CT assistant. She can't spell or at least uses incorrect forms of words like there/their/they're. Ugh.
June 16, 2011 6:36 PM
She's the same person who posted looking for someone to make her a CU sun when she was changing her design name.
Even a circle and some rays are too hard for her.
OMG look at this kit:
http://www.anykitanywhere.anydigishop.com/
I'm 105% sure that it looks almost exactly like some copyrighted images that I can't exactly remember. But I pinkie promise that I've seen them before by someone else. Now lets all beat the crap out of this topic for next 3 days! No one stop discussing this before we resolve the issue, or I'll be outraged that you let the subject die. And I'll know it's just because she's a big named designer. Shame on you all for letting it go...in advance.
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That wouldn't load - says the url isn't found?
It's not the same. Tina copied a lot of the Ikea stuff, it was easily recognizable. In this case, the person isn't even sure if it's Amy Butler fabrics or not.
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This is by far one of the dumbest arguments someone has posted on this blog in quite a while. Just because one poster this afternoon "isn't sure" if it's Amy Butler or not, doesn't make this case any different, in theory, from the Tina/IKEA thing from ages ago. What if the first poster about Tina's hadn't been 100% sure, either? The two situations aren't any different just because one person "isn't sure" today. The next 20 people might be sure, and just haven't checked the blog yet today.
Now, what MIGHT make these situations different is what is being done w/ the product (cut up scraps vs selling a CU pattern). But the selective memory abilities of other posters here have NOTHING to do w/ whether or not these situations are the same or not.
That wouldn't load - says the url isn't found?
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I really, really hope you're being sarcastic/funny/ironic. Otherwise, please grow a sense of humor.
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i didn't click the url, knew it was a fake, i just didn't know it was supposed to be funny.
That wouldn't load - says the url isn't found?
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I really, really hope you're being sarcastic/funny/ironic. Otherwise, please grow a sense of humor.
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LMAO ... oops ... seriously - I thought it was some "new" thing where it strictly was "copycat" - not just "inspired" by all other designers ... yadda yadda - I get it - sorry - it's been a long ass week
This is by far one of the dumbest arguments someone has posted on this blog in quite a while.
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I was tired. It is a dumb argument.
It's a derivative work:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work
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i didn't click the url, knew it was a fake, i just didn't know it was supposed to be funny.
June 16, 2011 8:04 PM
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No? Click this one then:
http://www.selfappointedsuperannoyingknowitalldigipolice.blogspot.com/
Feel free to register that blog and hang out there.
how was the pp being a digi police?
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I assumed that the pp was also 7:41 PM. Apologies for assuming of you weren't. Just bored with the same exact copyright arguement over and over and over.
**should be 'if' you weren't. I'm tired.
what would you like to talk about? that's what most digi drama is centered around.
No? Click this one then:
http://www.selfappointedsuperannoyingknowitalldigipolice.blogspot.com/
Feel free to register that blog and hang out there.
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Still not funny and I don't give a crap about the whole copyright, so blow it out your hole
I assumed that the pp was also 7:41 PM. Apologies for assuming of you weren't. Just bored with the same exact copyright arguement over and over and over.
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You assumed wrong and I only just saw your apology, so I apologize for my curt original reply one post above.
So I saw this morning that Sugary Fancy is now at ScrapMatters. She also sells at DigscrapBrasil and DSW. It says on her blog she's closing her DSW store, but will continue to sell at DSB even though she's at ScrapMatters.
Did SM change their exclusive policy? What's the scoop?
I thought SM went exclusive also - no idea on what's up with SF.
on a brighter note. its friday, and I find this funny - can you find what I'm laughing at in this product description???
http://www.pickleberrypop.com/shop/product.php?productid=19606&cat=0&page=1
(yes its a REAL link, LOL!)
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that's hilarious!
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I second that.
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I might be dense, but what is so funny about it?
Big thanks for the laugh!!! :D
11:11 AM, look closely at the element list.
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OOOOH I get it now! Getting late here! lol
Maybe she was watching the Congressman Wiener story when she wrote it.
A screw is the best thing we've got for today? How sad that we've all morphed into 13 year old boys... Guess it's a good thing there wasn't a nut in there, too.
No news on the ScrapMatters thing? No one is talking?
Might have been slightly funny if there were 2 nuts along with the screw but that really wasn't funny at all. You can do better than that!.... Fail!
Not the op but she fixed it - the crocheted piece originally said something like crotched.
I thought the acrylic thought bubble was much funnier than the screw. I had to reread it several times before I realized that it was only the word screw that was supposed to be funny.
Yeah, is that the best we can do?
Not the op but she fixed it - the crocheted piece originally said something like crotched.
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Ah, now that makes sense.
That makes more sense than screw, but it's still not funny.
I don't consider it good business to not have your products represent YOU.
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For the last 2 months I have picked up a whole lot of old kits. They are all crap and I can't believe you all still have them for sale in your shop. No, I am not complaining to each individual designer to get my money back, but I am crossing designers off left and right. (Just because you are still selling them doesn't mean your customers are happy after they open then and try to use them.) If you have kits older than 15 months for sale in your shop, you need to open them up and QC them and quietly fix them.
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maybe it's just the designers you buy from.
They are all crap...
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So, what makes them crap?
No, I am not complaining to each individual designer to get my money back, but I am crossing designers off left and right.
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So you put it here because "everyone" reads this blog? Even if that is true, a designer will read this and think it doesn't apply to their work.
I would ask for my money back with a reason. If anything do it for the next customer that comes along.
I like Wendy (wendyzine scraps) but sometimes am totally baffled by some of the actions she creates. She must have a market for them or she wouldn't create them. Honestly, why do you need an action to help you stack papers?
http://shop.scrapbookgraphics.com/ACTION-Paper-Stacker-PRO.html
it's faster, maybe? I'm too cheap to pay for something like that!
For all you copyright experts. Is this ok? The ears I think might be borderline, but what about the Mickey profile?
http://www.sunshinestudioscraps.com/shop/product.php?productid=36401&cat=99&page=2
^nope, it's not ok. It's a trademark violation and counterfeiting. You can report it to Disney but they won't do anything.
No, I am not complaining to each individual designer to get my money back, but I am crossing designers off left and right. (Just because you are still selling them doesn't mean your customers are happy after they open then and try to use them.) If you have kits older than 15 months for sale in your shop, you need to open them up and QC them and quietly fix them.
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That's fine, you're allowed to cross designers off your list, quietly. Your choice. But it would definitely help out if you'd just post names/kits here, instead of being all "polite" about it; this is a smack blog, for god sake. Tell us what's so bad, so we can avoid (or fix) it.
No, I am not complaining to each individual designer to get my money back, but I am crossing designers off left and right. (Just because you are still selling them doesn't mean your customers are happy after they open then and try to use them.) If you have kits older than 15 months for sale in your shop, you need to open them up and QC them and quietly fix them
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You probably don't want to take the time to email the designers but I'm sure they would like to know of any issues. I would so I could fix it.
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