I wasn't aware you could copyright a spider. Or a shape that looks like a mask. Does that mean no one can ever make a spider again? Or a mask? (That was sarcasm.)
December 26, 2010 8:20 PM
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You know, before you are sarcastic, you should have had a look at what she was talking about. Now you just look stupid, but sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
The spider and the mask were distinctly Spiderman, in the same way that certain mouse ears are Mikey and a certain bate shape is Batman.
If it is altered by 20% it isn't a violation. She isn't using the exact trademarked shapes for the objects. She is using commercially available vectors. If they were in a Halloween kit, you wouldn't say anything.
I'm sorry but I don't see "spidey" with a trademark or copyright. Can you link me up please because a search produced no results.
"Spider-Man" is trademark.
And it isn't even worth bitching about unless you report it and let Disney sort it out and decide if they feel it is a violation. They'll probably overlook it as inspiration.
Anonymous said... If it is altered by 20% it isn't a violation. She isn't using the exact trademarked shapes for the objects. She is using commercially available vectors. If they were in a Halloween kit, you wouldn't say anything.
December 27, 2010 6:35 AM
Thanks, Barb!
You know what the problem is with digital scrapbookiers and designers? You think you are the centre of the universe and your TOUs must be above laws, but guess what, most people don't even know you exist! (not you in particular, scrapbooking as a hobby that is).
You would email marvel comics /legal not Disney, since marvel has their own legal section, which I did, I do want to know if this is ok, I am a designer and if it is we all will start making all kind of super hero scrap kits, put our kid in a costume and pop it right on the product to promote that kit. WHY NOT? Some of the comments make little sense and are a little more arrogant then sarcastic, If you buy a Halloween costume such as spider- man you can do what ever you want with it, cut it up into a curtain, have your kid run up and down in a store with it, go and make pillow covers for all they care, but to put it on a commercial use item is using a trademarked figure to promote and sale a commercial use item. Marvel like many others will not care if the item is commercial use ( like you all know it) to them any project you make money off is commercial use. If it was only in a gallery, maybe it would not be discussed but it is in a STORE on a item packaging of a item for sale. I for one do not think this project will be up for much longer, I guess we will see.
One more thing, why do you think there is no “Spidey” “batman” or “Disney” collection in the Paper world? Other than some stickers which probably are made by Marvel or Disney you will not find a set such as this, you d have to go scrounge for some red and blue papers, ribbons etc get some comic stickers and do it that way. You may find that Halloween collection, orange with some bats, spiders, witches, or even may find a spider kit that's black, brown, spooky type, But you will not find a blue and red Spider Boy collection, where there is a kid in a costume on the cover. Just something to chew on while thinking of a new sarcastic comment rather than being in an real intellectual conversation where we can learn something from.
to report Disney you should use , tips@disneyantipiracy.com or 818-560-3300 to report Marvel , infringements@marvel.com I posted that they did reply to me in less than 24 hours but now the post is gone. (weird) they said: Dear *** This is a counterfeit item. Nothing contained in this e-mail shall (a) be considered a legally binding agreement, amendment or modification of any agreement with Marvel, each of which requires a fully executed agreement to be received by Marvel or (b) be deemed approval of any product, packaging, advertising or promotion material, which may only come from Marvel's Legal Department.
I reported the designer a number of posts up many times and never heard anything back. She's been selling for about 3 years now. Apparently other posters have reported her as well.
You know what the problem is with digital scrapbookiers and designers? You think you are the centre of the universe and your TOUs must be above laws, but guess what, most people don't even know you exist! (not you in particular, scrapbooking as a hobby that is). December 27, 2010 9:00 AM
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So you aren't one of us? If we are so non-existant why are you even bothering to follow the comments in this blog? That's really weird.
I don't understand why it matters whether Disney is going after people legally or not - wrong is wrong, regardless of whether you are going to get into trouble.
They are likely not bothering because they know that there is no money to get from it - even if they get a judgment against these small time designers, they won't get enough money to make the actual cost of the court proceedings worthwhile. If a big company like Basic Grey or Stampin Up or Creative Memories did it without a licenses, you can bet there would be a lawsuit.
Turn it on yourself - if someone started copying and selling something you make, you may not have the time or the money to go after them legally, but does that make it OK for the person to keep doing it?
For the Two Peas link ... it looks like Websters Pages is the actual physical manufacturer of these items, based on the packaging? If that's true, it's totally legit for them to scan their own items in and sell them digitally.
It's also completely possible that thy aren't really Webster's Pages, or that they take things out of other people's package and put them on a Webster's package to make it look legit.
I don't understand why it matters whether Disney is going after people legally or not - wrong is wrong, regardless of whether you are going to get into trouble.
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I do agree with this. BUT if they actually did something about the problem, then designers probably wouldn't do it any longer. Why should we care if designers are doing this if they don't care? And the other thing to consider is that some of them are on line of "inspired" and not actual copyright violations. That leads me to believe that we (as an industry) might be more hard-nosed about copyright rules than we actually need to be.
I personally like the kits someone like Britt-ish designs does for scrapping. Disney is a main vacation we take every year and I like being able to scrap those with coordinating kits. Kellybelle really skirts the line but a lot of the copyright items she gives away ad freebies. I am not sure how that falls under the freedom of use act
Either way why do any of you care? If you think it is wrong then don't support them. But really you would take the time to turn them in?
You all sound like a bunch of wannabe hall monitors. Time to get out the demerit books.
Webster's Pages is the manufacturer of the bloomers trim. When I first saw the "digi" version I went to our LSS and checked out the actual product to see if it was a knock-off or the actual webster's product she'd photographed and extracted. Webster's bloomers are circular flowers with a swirly shape between them. Those are clearly webster's extracted. And they don't "belong" to TwoPeas...you can get them from several places.
I just thought it was odd given that Two Peas sells the "real" version that they would allow one of their digi designers to sell the "copyright violation" version in their store as well.
I guess I think that digital designing should be more than just photographing your "paper" supplies.
Turn it on yourself - if someone started copying and selling something you make, you may not have the time or the money to go after them legally, but does that make it OK for the person to keep doing it?
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This is happened a lot to me. I don't give a damn, I have other things to worry about and it's my item. How some of you can get so worked up about something that doesn't directly effect you or even relate to you is beyond me.
One more thing, why do you think there is no “Spidey” “batman” or “Disney” collection in the Paper world? Other than some stickers which probably are made by Marvel or Disney you will not find a set such as this, you d have to go scrounge for some red and blue papers, ribbons etc get some comic stickers and do it that way. You may find that Halloween collection, orange with some bats, spiders, witches, or even may find a spider kit that's black, brown, spooky type, But you will not find a blue and red Spider Boy collection, where there is a kid in a costume on the cover. Just something to chew on while thinking of a new sarcastic comment rather than being in an real intellectual conversation where we can learn something from.
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What the heck is your point? There are lot of things in digi that aren't in the paper scrap world and vise-versa.
For the Two Peas link ... it looks like Websters Pages is the actual physical manufacturer of these items, based on the packaging? If that's true, it's totally legit for them to scan their own items in and sell them digitally.
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Uh, but they didn't. Vinnie Pearce is the manufacturer of the digital kit, not Websters.
You know what the problem is with digital scrapbookiers and designers? You think you are the centre of the universe and your TOUs must be above laws, but guess what, most people don't even know you exist! (not you in particular, scrapbooking as a hobby that is).
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You are such an idiot. As for people not knowing scrapbooking exists, not sure what universe you live in, but it isn't this one.
For the Two Peas link ... it looks like Websters Pages is the actual physical manufacturer of these items, based on the packaging? If that's true, it's totally legit for them to scan their own items in and sell them digitally.
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Uh, but they didn't. Vinnie Pearce is the manufacturer of the digital kit, not Websters.
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I was talking about the first link, to the items, in a Websters store at Two Peas.
Maybe they sold them CU to other designers at Two Peas?
Maybe they sold them CU to other designers at Two Peas? December 27, 2010 9:57 PM
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Or she did it the hard way and actually got permission to use the item.
Again, I think the people that read and post this crap on this blog care more about it than the companies that are supposedly being violated. I like the hall monitor reference.
Again, I think the people that read and post this crap on this blog care more about it than the companies that are supposedly being violated. I like the hall monitor reference.
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I agree. I have no idea what a hall monitor is, some American innovation?
A hall monitor is a kid in school, who sits out in the hall, 'monitoring' for hall violations between classes. Checks for hall passes to be out of class. Usually thinks he/she is a school God. Loves to turn violators in.
agree. I have no idea what a hall monitor is, some American innovation? December 28, 2010 12:01 AM
In schools they monitor the hall and write kids up for being bad or being out of class. They are the ultimate brown nosers and tattle talers. And typically they end up being wannabe police officers because they are too wimpy to be real police. And then they become security officers for the library where they kick you out for having a water bottle or talking to loudly.
OR they end up posting any potentially pirated product on DSTHOF.
Turn it on yourself - if someone started copying and selling something you make, you may not have the time or the money to go after them legally, but does that make it OK for the person to keep doing it?
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It has happened to me. Wal-Mart actually sold t-shirts marketed to the same industry with our trademark on them. We paid well over $2000 to trademark the item 4 different ways.(Online Sales, Retail in-store sales, magazine marketing, video gaming) Unfortunately we are small fish in a big pond trying to fight them, but we will continue.
Either way I found out on my own. I didn't need tattle tales to send emails to me letting me know of the violation. It is my job as a business owner to protect my interests. I shouldn't rely on internet spies.
One person emailed me to let me know of a cafe press violation and then expected I send him a free shirt. The fact is all the tattle tales do it for a reason.
yeah you are fooled with the one bat in the first preview but take a look at the paper bats and the bat in the brad it is the batman bat. what ever right, lets just rip everyone off i guess, who gives a shit anymore. now talking about copyright issues on a smack blog is considered being a hall monitor, those calling people this here are the ones wanting to brake the rules anyhow, they are hoping this stops so they can finally get that Disney kit out, i for one hope every one starts getting ripped off, let the paper industry start printing digital designs and make profit of it, yey for wall-mart ripping off your shirt design! you deserve it, i hope you never win a penny from your "fight against them"
what ever right, lets just rip everyone off i guess, who gives a shit anymore. now talking about copyright issues on a smack blog is considered being a hall monitor, those calling people this here are the ones wanting to brake the rules anyhow, they are hoping this stops so they can finally get that Disney kit out, -----------
I guess your major was drama, right?
I just don't give a damn about the constant yammering about copyright on this blog. It's boring and repetitive. It's the same conversation regurgitated over and over and over and over again.
Just because I'm bored with something, doesn't mean I want to break the rules.
yeah you are fooled with the one bat in the first preview but take a look at the paper bats and the bat in the brad it is the batman bat. -----------
I did look at the paper bats and the brad and the background paper, it's not the batman logo, it's very similar, but it's no the same. Yes, I did check. Fooled you though, didn't it?
Either way I found out on my own. I didn't need tattle tales to send emails to me letting me know of the violation. It is my job as a business owner to protect my interests. I shouldn't rely on internet spies. -----------
One person emailed me to let me know of a cafe press violation and then expected I send him a free shirt. The fact is all the tattle tales do it for a reason.
December 28, 2010 4:25 PM
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How true is that. It's like all those witnesses who only come forward when a reward is posted.
December 28, 2010 7:17 PM So tired of people saying they hate the drama here and are bored with it, yet they come back to comment on and read the boring drama blog
One person emailed me to let me know of a cafe press violation and then expected I send him a free shirt. The fact is all the tattle tales do it for a reason.
December 28, 2010 4:25 PM
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How true is that. It's like all those witnesses who only come forward when a reward is posted. December 28, 2010 7:24 PM **** NEWSFLASH **** And that LAWYER you are going to get To snoop out those violations and laws, then tattle tale to the Judge Will not want a t-shirt, he will only want a cut of your $$$.
**** NEWSFLASH **** And that LAWYER you are going to get To snoop out those violations and laws, then tattle tale to the Judge Will not want a t-shirt, he will only want a cut of your $$$. ---------------------------------------
***NEWSFLASH*** It is different when I chose to HIRE someone to do a job.
Don't you have a copyright violation to go report?
**** NEWSFLASH **** And that LAWYER you are going to get To snoop out those violations and laws, then tattle tale to the Judge Will not want a t-shirt, he will only want a cut of your $$$.
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Yeah, because that's exactly the same thing, exactly!! I'm impressed with your skills of interpretation and understanding.
personally I don't care if a kit is inspired by something. I like having kits to match a theme. If Disney, Marvel, etc etc etc. don't give a shit, why should I?
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I was just catching up on old posts and saw this. That is not accurate. Not only is she still actively designing, there's much more to that story. Another successful cover-up at GP.
She was in the process of taking over GP and instead made off with payout.
I want to hear more about the GP cover-up and Liz! Details, anyone? She was going to purchase it and made off with cash instead? Inquiring minds want to know...
Has anyone checked out the DST Blog Train, yet? I went to about 20 sites and have only downloaded from two so far. The rest are really crappy. I was very disappointed with some of the "better-known" designers, especially Connie Prince.
I believe if you read the post at Connie's site, "her" contribution is actually by someone named Shari that she has been mentoring, not by Connie herself.
That being said I do not understand her popularity. She cranks out tons of products, but IMO not particularly unique. But it seems every other person requested her for one of the gold member kit designers.
Connie is exceptionally sweet and easy to work with. I know she treats her CT, other designers and customers well! Something can be said for the way you act.
Not really. I have no clue how she acts and quite honestly, couldn't care less. That goes for all designers. If I like it, I buy it. A designer would have to have been extremely obnoxious for me not to buy from them. Even then I might weaken if they had something I really wanted.
The reason Connie was named by 'every other post' for a Gold Member kit was because her rabid CT hit the thread.
There are a lot of really sweet designers that treat CT, customers and other designers well who were not named.
I checked out the blog train. Some good stuff, some total crap. Love that COLS didn't even enter her blog address right so the link from headquarters doesn't work. :)
I'd like to hear more from the person who did a drive-by comment on Sweet Digi Scraps. Since she co-owned the site, I don't see how she could have mad a takeover attempt?
"Theme Challenge: THE WINTER Make a page using the colours of the winter (white, blue, grey, brown etc.) I have just one condition: The photo, you use must be connected to snow. There can be landscapes or people...just with snow!"
Hello? What about another half of the world that has never seen snow in their lifetime? How inconsiderate is this?
I can't believe nobody in the team sees that this can be a problem. The site's "Challenge Leader" (not this challenge's host) herself lives in a place where there's no snow either and yet she thinks this challenge is fair to all members? I can understand it if the rules are only about color theme and such. But photo as well?
The way I see it, it's just not right to (more or less) force people to use others' pictures to scrap for a challenge. Especially when scrappers and designers cry foul everytime someone just takes the pictures/material they posted on the web without permission.
^^^^ Oh puh-leeeeeezzz, have you nothing better to bitch about? You are certainly free to NOT participate in that particular challenge, no? How about looking at any one of the hundreds of other challenges you could choose from?
I'm sick of all this "Oh poor me! I'm excluded from this _____. I think I'll raise a stink about it instead of finding a challenge that is better suited to my needs" behavior! Every single thing online is not going to appeal to every single person in the world. Get over it.
^^^ Excuse me, is there any thing in my message that makes you think it's about me? Can't I bitch about things I find inconsiderate even when it's not about me? So everyone who comes here has to bitch only about things directly concerning them?
For the record I have loads and loads of my own pictures IF I choose to participate. But the challenge itself puts me off.
You are right, those who feel excluded can walk away and find other things better suited them anytime. That's exactly my point! Why do forums have challenges to begin with? Isn't it because they want people to participate, feel included, and stay with them? And how does offering one that they know full well a number of members won't be able to participate in serve that purpose?
I'm not fighting with you and don't have anything against the store. Challenges are supposed to be for fun after all. I only raised this issue because I thought it's better for stores/forums to think it through before they do things like this.
Er, I live in a part of the world that doesn't' get snow and I wouldn't feel excluded from that challenge. It's not that hard to get a photo that has snow in it.
You are right, those who feel excluded can walk away and find other things better suited them anytime. That's exactly my point! Why do forums have challenges to begin with? Isn't it because they want people to participate, feel included, and stay with them? And how does offering one that they know full well a number of members won't be able to participate in serve that purpose? ---------------------
If it was a bunch of challenges, then I would get the complaint, but one challenge? Geez, if people are the easily offended, they ought not to participate in anything. The world is not fair, how would they cope with things that actually matter?
I'll bet if there was a christmas challenge that required ONLY "summer" christmas photos you'd have a bitch about it. Not everyone lives in the northern hemisphere.
"If it was a bunch of challenges, then I would get the complaint, but one challenge? Geez, if people are the easily offended, they ought not to participate in anything. The world is not fair, how would they cope with things that actually matter?
January 1, 2011 9:34 PM"
--------------------------------- Yeah, the world isn't fair unless everything runs to suit the good old US of A :P Newsflash! The US isn't the bee all and end all.
Yeah, the world isn't fair unless everything runs to suit the good old US of A :P Newsflash! The US isn't the bee all and end all.
January 1, 2011 10:30 PM
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not sure where the US comment comes from? Plenty of places in the U.S. where it does not snow -
does it have to be real snow? personally, I'd find a snowglobe or something to take a picture and scrap a page "this is as close to snow as I will ever get" lol
Yeah, the world isn't fair unless everything runs to suit the good old US of A :P Newsflash! The US isn't the bee all and end all.
January 1, 2011 10:30 PM
Last time I checked, it still snows in much of Europe and Asia so I'm not sure how you think that was just fair to the US? There are many states in the US that don't get snow and they are heavily populated too!
Go ahead and offer a Christmas challenge with summer photos. I won't complain. I won't participate either. But not every challenge suits how I scrap and I wouldn't expect them to just do what I want.
does it have to be real snow? personally, I'd find a snowglobe or something to take a picture and scrap a page "this is as close to snow as I will ever get" lol January 1, 2011 11:32 PM
Great idea!!! That would be creative! Which I htink is the purpose of challenges, to inspire creativity! Some people just do them to earn the freebie kit though.
"If it was a bunch of challenges, then I would get the complaint, but one challenge? Geez, if people are the easily offended, they ought not to participate in anything. The world is not fair, how would they cope with things that actually matter?
January 1, 2011 9:34 PM"
--------------------------------- Yeah, the world isn't fair unless everything runs to suit the good old US of A :P Newsflash! The US isn't the bee all and end all.
January 1, 2011 10:30 PM
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You're an idiot. I made the comment you are referring to and I don't live in the USA, I don't even live in the Northern Hemisphere.
Besides, you obviously aren't aware that there are quite a few places in the good ol' USA where it doesn't snow either.
I'll bet if there was a christmas challenge that required ONLY "summer" christmas photos you'd have a bitch about it. Not everyone lives in the northern hemisphere.
January 1, 2011 10:26 PM
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Nope, you'd be wrong, I wouldn't bitch about it, because I would just choose not to participate. It's my choice to enter or not. Bitching about a challenge that doesn't suit me personally is just childish. There are plenty of challenges in the forum where I hang, some I participate in and some I don't. To expect them to all suit me or to suit everyone is ridiculous.
does it have to be real snow? personally, I'd find a snowglobe or something to take a picture and scrap a page "this is as close to snow as I will ever get" lol
January 1, 2011 11:32 PM
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Now that's being creative and proactive, instead of being negative and whiny. Great idea.
I'll bet if there was a christmas challenge that required ONLY "summer" christmas photos you'd have a bitch about it. Not everyone lives in the northern hemisphere.
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Are you aware that quite a few places in the Northern Hemisphere don't get snow in the winter? They would probably have 'summer' Christmas photos? I'm told that ignorance is bliss, is that true?
Such a fun read. Just want to make clear that I'm the "uncreative" and "childish" original poster on the challenge, and I have stopped posting since January 1, 2011 8:32 PM. I am NOT the one mentioning the US. (Sorry. I know you sided with me but that one IS childish. LOL) Do go on.
She wasn't doing a takeover attempt, Stacy was selling her the store and walking away. Until she failed to pay anyone and she had to come back and clean up the mess.
I was indeed in a buying out process of GP and had been doing so for 6 months. The contract for the buyout ended in middle October. I did not walk away from the site, nor was I sent away because I refused to pay the designers, but was found in breech of contract that Stacy and I had between each other. This was due to failure of keeping up with the admin duties of the site to the extent that was healthy. My personal life had become something of a whirlwind of a wreck, and instead of swallowing my pride and admitting that I just didn't have the time to do all that needed to be done, or asking for help I tried to press on and keep up. I failed miserably, and it resulted in me being able to do only the absolute necessities on the site. I was in contact the entire time during my personal "crisis" with several of the designers and Stacy as much as possible and almost daily up until a few days prior to my being removed.
Either way, something happened that forced me in a position in personal life to be out of touch for a couple of days. (This I will add was AFTER I had already done payout for the designers in which they DID get paid with exception of 2 people that was a complete oversight and non-intentional, and both were corrected as SOON as I was aware of the oversight)
At the point when I could not be reached, Stacy did what was in the best interest of the designers/team members and the site by removing my admin access and taking back the site to ensure everything was operating as it should. It was absolutely the best choice, and one I was too stupid to make on my own far before things became as they were. At the time of my removal, and Stacy regaining control of the site I had just a couple days worth of pay in my business account, in which I never relinquished over to Stacy and she covered on her own to complete the payout following my removal. There are only 2 people in which I owe money to Stacy and My prior CT lead (Who was NOT on the payroll from GP but was of a different agreement and will be rectified in the near future) - However I have been informed (although I do not know to what extent it to be true) that a lawsuit from Stacy will be coming my way for the days of GP money as well as several other items and we will hash out the details about the breech of contract at that point - As I have several things and reasons as to why I took the actions I did after my removal and can not fully discuss those at the moment in time because I still have no clue what the future is holding for this.
I will add, and admit that my absence in the last couple days was not a first time for me in those 6 months. I sucked at balancing out personal and business life, and when things got extreme on the personal side I went on "techcation" so to speak in order to deal with the things in the best way I (at the time) knew how to do. It was extremely wrong of me, and things COULD have been handled much easier, but they weren't. I wont get into my personal woes, as there is no poor pity me, or excuses to be made. I was simply too stubborn and full of too much pride to admit that things weren't all sunshine and rainbows when I should have.
Yes, as the far before poster mentioned. I am actively designing again- but only for myself. The ladies at ACOT were kind enough to reactivate my store that I had with them before ever becoming an admin at GP and have allowed me to make designs available through them and I have put my designs up on my own personal website that I had far before joining GottaPixel even as a designer. I have just in the last month found a better balance and got rid of some of the preventions I had before that have allowed me to design and be part of the scrapbooking world (in sorts) once again. It is something that I love to do, and will continue to do for a good while I am sure (whether or not I share with anyone) It is just something I enjoy during my "free time".
I am not looking for, and did not plan on looking for another store to add to my list or place to hang my hat. I simply can not promise the time and devotion necessary to be in a consignment shop, as life is still not all that peachy over here. Nor do I wish my "taint" to affect any other designers.
Not that I think it matters all that much, but yes I was not only one of the designers that Joedee skipped out on, but also the one she ended up using as a go to and let the questions come running to. It was me that took care of the admin items for her while she was making off with money in the end (Which at the time I was completely oblivious to what the master plan was) She used and fooled me, Jenn, Amanda and Angie far beyond just making off with money.
I have a great found respect for the designers with whom I have worked with and got to know personally. Many know what was going on with me, several I talked with on skype, yahoo ect.. and know personally to be true I never had intentions of becoming a failure with GP. I had ideas, and a great deal of plans for the site to flourish- but just couldn't follow through even though I wanted to. And even though we have so much left needing taken care of, extreme respect for Stacy and all other owners for that matter that run successful sites. All of which are stronger women than I, and do far more than an outsider (no offense intended)could even begin to imagine.
Bottom line- I failed and needed weeded out of the store before my failure became a complete domino affect on the entire site (in which it was fastly approaching that)There is still business left unfinished, and people I am sure that have strong distaste for me. But what happened happened, I can't change that. I can only press forward, learn from my stupidity and do what I feel is best. Regardless of how long it takes to get there.
Liz - you are a good person and seem to be a straight shooter, I wondered if you would get wind of this and want to clear it up.
It sounds to me that you are painting a rosy picture of how Stacy handled things - sure you were in breach of contract, but for her to just remove you from the site because you were having a rough time is pretty heartless. A frank heart-to-heart with you, where she told you you needed to step back, would have been a whole lot kinder than just removing you. But that is all in line with things we have heard about Stacy in the past, so I guess that doesn't surprise me, either.
I hope that the lawsuit, when and if it comes, isn't too painful. If it was just a couple of designers you overlooked, maybe you can just pay that off and be done with it?
At any rate, I don't see a 'taint' associated with you at all. If anythign I have an even more sour taste in my mouth for Stacy. The more I hear about her the less inclined I am to shop there.
It sounds to me that you are painting a rosy picture of how Stacy handled things - sure you were in breach of contract, but for her to just remove you from the site because you were having a rough time is pretty heartless. A frank heart-to-heart with you, where she told you you needed to step back, would have been a whole lot kinder than just removing you. -------
Not for or against Stacy, but it was a business decision. In business you have to make decisions that are for the good of the majority and the business, not the individual.
Tables turned, Liz could have had a heart to heart with Stacy, before things got out of control. Sure Liz was having a hard time, but her personal hard time effected everyone in the store, effected the business, was that fair? By Liz's own admission, it wasn't fair.
Six months of that crap and you think it was heartless for Stacy to remove someone? I doubt you'd be saying that if it was you who was being effected.
Yes I do think that after 6 months to just remove someone is heartless. I don't think it's necessary to run your business without regard for people's personal circumstances. Temporarily close her store, contact her, sure, until you can talk it over and come to an agreement, but for a couple of days of absence to remove her completely and sue her, that is uncalled for.
Sounds like there were 2 designers who didn't get paid by Liz, and Stacy would have people believe that Liz made off with the whole pay period. That is also heartless to spread disinformation.
I agree with above ^^^^ I am not painting anything out for Stacy to look on the upper hand, nor do I wish to do so for the lower end either. Business is business- And it was treated as such. When I was removed, as said before, I was completely out of touch- Not one digi soul knew what was going on with me for those few days. And at the time I didn't even stop and think about telling anyone. And in her shoes- I completely understand her fears about "what ifs" and "maybes" about me and her removing me
Me and Stacy had talked before about personal situations ect.. we had hashed things out and I pushed forward and she supported me in pushing forward. I was determined to make it work.
Could things have been handled differently? Of course they could have- by both. But two wrongs didn't make anything right, and something had to give, and I was too stubborn to let go when I should have.
I wasn't a totally crappy admin, as I was co-admining with Stacy even before we entered a buyout agreement. It was just in the last few months that my personal life began interfering and I just lost it.
Stacy really isn't so bad. And I get no brownie points for saying so- I got to know her on a personal level, and I think that is the difference that most don't get to see. She is just business and frank when it comes to the scrap world- Just as a CEO would be for a company. She doesn't play around with words or sugar coats anything for people (like myself and many like to hear)She doesn't play around when it comes to the site. She is who she is, and as far as ownership- She runs GP like a well oiled machine and its pretty darn nice for those on the back end.
*I will say that I am only speaking on time from when I personally got to know her forward.
Yes I do think that after 6 months to just remove someone is heartless. I don't think it's necessary to run your business without regard for people's personal circumstances. Temporarily close her store, contact her, sure, until you can talk it over and come to an agreement, but for a couple of days of absence to remove her completely and sue her, that is uncalled for. ------
That's not what happened. In Liz's original post she said she was incommunicado for some time and she confirmed that fact again following your post.
Stacy really isn't so bad. And I get no brownie points for saying so- I got to know her on a personal level, and I think that is the difference that most don't get to see. She is just business and frank when it comes to the scrap world- Just as a CEO would be for a company. She doesn't play around with words or sugar coats anything for people (like myself and many like to hear)She doesn't play around when it comes to the site. She is who she is, and as far as ownership- She runs GP like a well oiled machine and its pretty darn nice for those on the back end. ------------
Thanks for your plain speaking Liz. Props to you.
I see it so often in the scrap world that anyone who is frank and doesn't sugar coat is considered heartless, stuck up, a know-it-all, etc. etc. Personally I prefer plain speaking any time over a whole lot of nothing and sugar coating, but then, I don't have a sweet tooth, so it's not surprising.
I have found that in the real world and on the internet, it's the sweet talkers you have to watch out for.
Sounds like there were 2 designers who didn't get paid by Liz, and Stacy would have people believe that Liz made off with the whole pay period. That is also heartless to spread disinformation.
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I never heard Stacy say anything of the kind. I've heard other people say it, but not Stacy. Have you herd Stacy say it? If not, you too are spreading disinformation.
I was just wondering if you could explain the Jodee thing. I knew somthing went down long ago with her and her shop where lot of money went missing but I thought it was never proven. Did I miss something somewhere? What ever happened to her? Just curious. Thanks.
^Joedee didn't pay her designers after the sale of ES and disappeared with the final payout. That is proven. She hasn't showed up in digiland since.
What wasn't ever really proven was that the site's paypal account was hacked and someone stole some charity money. (this was about 1 year before ES was sold and Jodee made off with payout.) It's harder to believe since she disappeared with that final payout.
Hello ladies. I've been away from dgiland and the blog for a while now (was off getting married and having a baby..lol) Since I've got some new found time I wanted to get back to scrapping and since it's been more than a year since I've so much as looked around I'm wondering who the new and better designers are nowadays. I cant believe the turnover since I've been around. Went to DST and whoa..holy cow! Too many people I dont even know. I knew I'd get the whole truth and nothing but the truth from you gals over here. So, where do I start? Thanks!!
I knew I'd get the whole truth and nothing but the truth from you gals over here. So, where do I start? Thanks!!
Are you kidding? You expect truth on a slam blog. You've been out of the net too long. There's a lot of garbage on this blog. That you can be sure of!!
Too many people I dont even know. I knew I'd get the whole truth and nothing but the truth from you gals over here. So, where do I start? Thanks!!
January 3, 2011 12:07 PM
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It's because there is too much crap at DST. The 'old' designers stopped writting there and it's full of newbies who think they can design. Where are the old ones? I don't know. Probably designing instead of gossiping :)
The smart ones do their designing and keep their personal lives and business personal. If they come here it's because they like to shoot others down whether there is really a good reason or not they'll make one up. The digiscrap business just like any other. There are the bad, the good and the ugly. Most times when somewhen gets put down on the blog people are just being ugly. Every now and then they might actually have something worthwhile to say but most times it's just to get a rise out of the others.
Ok, so who are these great "smart" designers? Im serious. I went to DST and could barely look at the product gallery..disgusting! Here is what was on the first few pages...
Someone please tell me what made these "designers" think they have a clue? I looked through several pages and honestly could not find one thing I'd take for free! Do they realize how badly they are embarassing themselves? Boy this industry has turned to diarrhea.
None of the really decent designers ever promoted themselves in the product gallery, except maybe in the first few months it was open.
Basing your assessment on the entire industry on one product gallery is just limiting yourself. The whole industry has not turned to diarrhea. That's like going to Walmart and saying the entire clothing industry has gone down the hole.
Go and check out Oscraps, quite a few new designers over there, plus some of the old ones. At least most of them seem to design stuff you can scrap with.
Ok, so who are these great "smart" designers? Im serious. I went to DST and could barely look at the product gallery..disgusting! Here is what was on the first few pages...
The third one is CU4CU! How in the world could something like that be used CU4CU or even just CU? The heart shape is not even smooth! I don't even think you can choose the word(s). Not very versatile for a CU product!
the first item ...well, not my thing either, but at least stargazy usually does good work. The 2nd one...that gal has been selling that stuff for years at scrap it sassy...nuff said. and the third...well, its people like this that give PSP'ers a bad name.
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Rubbish? There are too many to list. Any place that sells TAGGERS and posers shit. and all the PSP users that make scripts that make a black hockey puck. They are all over the place. You can toss Enchanted Studio into that mess now too.
Oh yeah! a hockey puck. I remember seeing that too (cannot remember where though). "Fully interactive: you can choose any color". Laughable! I wonder how come store owners dont say anything when it comes to products like that. I mean, you dont need to be a genius to see how basic, and not-very-useful those things can be. Do those scripts really sell. I have to say though, that i have seen PS actions in that same category too. Sad.
Since scripts and actions have been brought up...who do you think has the best (or worst)?
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don't know who is 'best' or 'worst' (don't have psp) but I know which psp script-maker gets her ideas by going through other designers stores and ads or galleries and then claiming a customer asked her to make a script like this other design.
considering that I (capital I there) am one customer that asked Cassel (I think that is who you are referring to) for a script based on something I saw somewhere else....I think perhaps you should better think out your comment. I see copy after copy of actions - someone comes out with a new one, and suddenly there are 10 just like it out there. For PSP users...there is ONE goto person for scripts...and that is Cassel. Think what YOU want about her...she does excellent work, and DOES make them based on customer requests. I have more than one script made by request. Considering all the conversations here on originality....the general conclusion being that there is NONE anymore....and you aren't a PSP user...what the hell do you care anyway?
Yes, I agree on the Cassel comment. I couldn't care less if she copies anybody, especially not after I saw what happened to Rachael's rolled flowers. They were copied by 20 people within a week of coming out. The consensus here on this blog was, "Well, what did you expect? They were cute."
And it's not Cassel who combs the stores looking for things to copy; as the previous poster said, I have done it myself, and said, "Here, we PSP users need something like this."
Meanwhile, Atomic Cupcake is copying Cassel and nobody is whining about that!
Zig Zag Scrap is having a designer call. Explain to me how they can say that they want their designers to be original and use as little CU as possible, yet most if not all of their designers sell CU product? Doesn't that seem hypocritical?
Rachel was not the first to make the rolled flowers. They were in several other designer's digital kits long before she started selling them. They were popular in paper scrapping months before they started appearing in digi. And they have been used in other crafting for a long long time.
Looks like Basic Grey is having a hard time putting Digi Kits together. They have a lovey Dovey Always in my heart word art with Hemi Power and Digging tools? I don't get it and they are very BASIC!
To me it looks like a brand new digi designer. Maybe they should set up shop at scrappable or somewhere else.
Wow.I have to agree with the mom who has been out of digiland for a while. I was also not around for quite a while. Much longer than her and all I can say is holy cow! Where did these horrible so-called designers come from. I started digiscrapping waaay back when Gina Miller, Corina, Holly Mccaig and other real artists were around. Those were the days of real designing. These new girls who seem to have woken up one day thinking they could actually design look so foolish. It's absolutely amazing to me. I'm sitting here lmao off at what I have seen. The market is oversaturated with total crap. I CT'ed for one of the original old time designers (yes, you all know who she is) and she never used CT crap. Her designs were quality and not copied from anyone. She had a team of 10 of us and I know for a fact she cleared $3k a month easy. I'm curious to know if these newbies are making much more than $5 a month. How do they do it with such terrible work? I've heard stories about the quality of this new generation but I did not believe it until I saw it with my own two eyes. I know most of those original quality designers have moved on to big paper companies and work with other companies (non-consignment shop) so maybe thats why so much of this crap has moved in. I'm sorry but I would be embarassed if I were 99% of these "designers". Just because they figured out how to download a free pirate copy of photoshop and use more than half of CU shit in their collections does NOT make them an artist. I sure wish this were 5 years ago when the real artists ruled this industry. Oh and yes, I do believe there are a few great ones left but I'd call that maybe 1%. The rest should hang up their mouse and realize how stupid they look to the digi world.
I CT'ed for one of the original old time designers (yes, you all know who she is) and she never used CT crap ============================== Oops, meant CU Crap. Not CT.
I started digiscrapping waaay back when Gina Miller, Corina, Holly Mccaig and other real artists were around. -------------
Don't make me laugh. All of the above designers used CU, and they used a fair bit of it too. It's just that in those 'olden' days, CU wasn't as available as it is now, so most scrappers didn't realize the amount of CU used. Now, with CU being everywhere, it's more recognizable when used.
I started digiscrapping waaay back when Gina Miller, Corina, Holly Mccaig and other real artists were around. -------------
Don't make me laugh. All of the above designers used CU, and they used a fair bit of it too. It's just that in those 'olden' days, CU wasn't as available as it is now, so most scrappers didn't realize the amount of CU used. Now, with CU being everywhere, it's more recognizable when used. ======= Not even close to what's going on today. Nonetheless, I still stand by my words. 99% of what is out there designing today is total crap. Slapping some shit on a preview and into a consignment shop doesn't make you an artist. Not by any stretch of the word.
Agreed. 99.99999% digital scrap design out there is crap.It's painful to dig through it all. I would love to see some of these idiots design a single paper with NO commercial use items at all!!! Personally it makes me laugh too when I see these "designers", who never even thought about art as a profession, wake up one morning dl a pirated copy of PS and call themself a designer. The only reason they think they can be considered as such is because no one needs to approve them before they begin. Hell, I can take a few pictures and open up a website and call myself a professional photographer.....right? No different. Wannabe artists/designers, why dont you apply to a paper company and ask for feedback while your at it. That should send most of you home crying to pack up your commercial use crap and move onto your next fly by night profession. Oh how silly they look. ROFLMAO
The only reason they think they can be considered as such is because no one needs to approve them before they begin. ^^^^^^^ This is sadly true, but at the same time, many store owners (not all) don't seem to set any "quality requirements" except for the QC and we all know that there is much more to quality products than checking for blurriness, jaggies and stray pixels.
Looks like Basic Grey is having a hard time putting Digi Kits together. They have a lovey Dovey Always in my heart word art with Hemi Power and Digging tools? I don't get it and they are very BASIC!
Is there anything wrong with basic? There are new scrappers everyday who wouldn't know where to start unless there was some basic stuff out there. What you see in CT LOs are really not what scrappers are scrapping. Quit living in lala land and get real. Most scrappers and not CT Scrappers are scrapping memories not fantasy crap!! Luckily I have CT who like to scrap just plain and normal LOs and many use lots of basic items!
LOL I love coming here and while reading some of the inane comments being made, I can only laugh. If you have such an adversion to what is being designed today why do you even bother to complain. Why don't you just go about designing everything yourself. You obviously then wouldn't have to worry about all the CU being used or which designers are using it and you certainly wouldn't have to worry about quality because we all know what you would design would be of the highest quality. If you are designer then you obviously aren't one of the many you are putting down. I mean really........
The only thing I can agree with is that designers aren't making what they use to make in sales because of the amount of designers in the market today and many have left for that reason. Obviously though some must be making enough to satisfy them or would they really stay around and design for peanuts? So why are you so worried what they make. When all is said and done the market will right itself eventually and many more will leave just as many stores are closing their doors. But really this line is getting so old it's beginning to stink. If you can't find something worthwhile to find to discuss lets just go back over how bad designers are these days and continue to beat it to death, beat it to death, beat it to death.
I agree. I also firmly believe that if you're going to call yourself a "commercial use" designer, you need to actually design something. Scanning/photographing and extracting is NOT designing. Rendering a DAZ model in 24 different poses is not designing. Making a square with a hole in it and calling it a tag template is not designing. It's funny because when I need some inspiration or ideas for things to put in a kit, I'll browse the cu shops for ideas and if (that's a big IF) I find something that piques my interest, I'll just make it myself because 99.9 percent of it is so simple, my MOM could make it and trust me when I say my mom can barely turn on a computer without having an issue. It truly is laughable to see what is for sale today from a designer's view but it's very, very sad that it sells and the people buying it are actually using it to try and make money.
Here's a hint: If you need a commercial-use item for your "designs" that took 30 seconds to make with 3 steps, you shouldn't be designing ANYTHING. Take the really badly made heart with words PSD template and script/action that was mentioned above. Seriously, if you need to buy that....there is NO hope for you.
You don't necessarily need to know how to draw to design but you do need a firm knowledge of your design software, along with a unique sense of creativity and color-coordination. With such a saturated market, selling a badly-drawn heart with "I love you" written on it in PSD format isn't going to earn you any love, never mind money. When I create something, I try to create something that would make people say I wonder how she did that. If you don't have to wonder how it was made, it's not worth buying. The only exception I make to this rule is when I need something right away and it's something that would take longer than a few minutes, like a pretty lace ribbon or really well-extracted bow, but they'd have to be moderately unique and not over-used by other designers. Those types of things are rare to find.
I would have to add that CU can be perceived as "to be used commercially", but some are meant to be "ok if used commercially", which, in my opinion is not at all the same. A product that is created for the prime purpose of being used commercially should be something that is to be a tool (set of brushes, styles, actions, scripts, overlays, etc) and not as likely to be used by a scrapper directly. On the other hand, some products are "ok to use commercially" as they might be elements that a scrapper can use, almost as is (like a frame, a tag, etc.) but COULD be used by a creative designer, in a commercial way in her kit.
Either way, some products are not worth the "CU" label, no matter what definition you use.
LOL I love coming here and while reading some of the inane comments being made, I can only laugh. If you have such an adversion to what is being designed today why do you even bother to complain. Why don't you just go about designing everything yourself. You obviously then wouldn't have to worry about all the CU being used or which designers are using it and you certainly wouldn't have to worry about quality because we all know what you would design would be of the highest quality. If you are designer then you obviously aren't one of the many you are putting down. I mean really........
The only thing I can agree with is that designers aren't making what they use to make in sales because of the amount of designers in the market today and many have left for that reason. Obviously though some must be making enough to satisfy them or would they really stay around and design for peanuts? So why are you so worried what they make. When all is said and done the market will right itself eventually and many more will leave just as many stores are closing their doors. But really this line is getting so old it's beginning to stink. If you can't find something worthwhile to find to discuss lets just go back over how bad designers are these days and continue to beat it to death, beat it to death, beat it to death. ------------- Shut up bitch. Ill complain about shit designers like you all day if I want. So you say dont complain but then complain yourself? HA, ha haha..Stop being a dripping clit.
I try to create something that would make people say I wonder how she did that. If you don't have to wonder how it was made, it's not worth buying.
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I don't shop like that and judging by the popularity of designers like Connie Prince, neither do most scrappers. I can make 95% of what I buy, but I don't want to - I want to spend my time scrapping instead of creating - so I buy the kits in colors that I like that have lots of elements I like, regardless of if I can make it myself.
Shut up bitch. Ill complain about shit designers like you all day if I want. So you say dont complain but then complain yourself? HA, ha haha..Stop being a dripping clit. ^^^^^^^^
Lovely. Got this here, and the other at ScrapOrchard. Whoever you are that continually posts that inane crap - I sure hope you enjoy yourself as much as you seem to enjoy typing such oh so shocking words.
Is there anything wrong with basic? There are new scrappers everyday who wouldn't know where to start unless there was some basic stuff out there. What you see in CT LOs are really not what scrappers are scrapping. Quit living in lala land and get real. Most scrappers and not CT Scrappers are scrapping memories not fantasy crap!! Luckily I have CT who like to scrap just plain and normal LOs and many use lots of basic items!
I'm sorry but Basic Grey sells that very basic items. They can't even compete with someone like Connie Prince. I scrap regular not all that fantasy poser shit so get it straight. I have been on several CT's and I have only done 1 layout for a CT that never made it in one of my books.
I persoanlly like just plain and normal layouts but Basic Grey's stuff looks like the most basic of people could create it!
So let me get this straight? You want to use someone else's Commercial use product to create your own Commercial use product? It makes no sense at all. If you cannot come up with a CU product on your own you should not be creating CU.
Because of all the shitty designers out there I only shop at a few stores. I NEVER go to any others since I have already seen there stuff is shitty!
The problem is someone that can't design creates a store because she thinks she will make loads of money. But since all the good designers are selling at established stores she takes anyone she can get, you know the bottom of the barrel designers, begging for a home. Then her store gets a rep for being shitty and they lose their chance of ever having a reputable designer there. So we end up with tons and tons of shitty shitty stores.
Stores I shop at: Scrap Matters Scrap Orchard The Lily Pad Scrapbook Graphics Sweet Shoppe Designs
I have about 5 other stores I'll peak into once every couple months. But for the most part it is a waste of my time to look anywhere else.
SOME tools would be ok to use CU4CU, like, for example, a style, a texture, etc. You want to use that fantastic gold style to make a set of fancy photo corners. Or a "string" texture to create a few sets of various color strings. I also think that some designers include blog design as CU so if they make a paper/overlay, then you buy it and can make a blogwear to sell.
But, i am sure the marketability of the product should be considered.
Shut up bitch. Ill complain about shit designers like you all day if I want. So you say dont complain but then complain yourself? HA, ha haha..Stop being a dripping clit.
Well obviously you aren't one of the more normal people considering your language. If that is the only way you can express yourself maybe you need to go back to school. I use to tell my kids that those who have to cuss like you do are just plain ignorant. I'm sure if we knew who you were we'd be just appalled as it seems like those who play nice in the forums are the worst offenders on the slam blogs.
Is there anything wrong with basic? There are new scrappers everyday who wouldn't know where to start unless there was some basic stuff out there. What you see in CT LOs are really not what scrappers are scrapping. Quit living in lala land and get real. Most scrappers and not CT Scrappers are scrapping memories not fantasy crap!! Luckily I have CT who like to scrap just plain and normal LOs and many use lots of basic items!
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Really? What you see in CT LOs is not what people are scrapping? Maybe you need to quit living in lala land or quit visiting the DST gallery.
BTW, my fantasy crap are memories, just different ones from yours. Not all memories are as obvious as birthday parties and vacations
Lovely. Got this here, and the other at ScrapOrchard. Whoever you are that continually posts that inane crap - I sure hope you enjoy yourself as much as you seem to enjoy typing such oh so shocking words.
"Shut up bitch. Ill complain about shit designers like you all day if I want. So you say dont complain but then complain yourself? HA, ha haha..Stop being a dripping clit. "
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If your clit drips then I think you have a problem and need to see a doctor LOL If you're going to type such disgusting things you might at least type something that makes sense! Vagina's may "drip" when excited but if your clit drips you definitely have a problem LOL
I know! Sorry about that, I wasn't talking about your comment.
Alright, previously I wrote this:
Anonymous said... I agree. I also firmly believe that if you're going to call yourself a "commercial use" designer, you need to actually design something. Scanning/photographing and extracting is NOT designing. Rendering a DAZ model in 24 different poses is not designing. Making a square with a hole in it and calling it a tag template is not designing.
Why are you so concerned if people are 'true designers' or 'true artists' or if what they do can qualify as 'designing'? Obviously, they do what they do, they sell a lot or just enough to be satisfied and will keep doing it. I smell jealousy here. :)
Graphic artist and web designers all use what we would call 'CU' but they don't call it that - they are just design resources. Search free brushes or free textures and you will see whole communities of people sharing (often free) resources to be used commercially. They even teach it in design school - to use other resources to save time. It doesn't necessarily mean you don't know how to make them yourself, it just means you are saving time. The problem isn't using resources, the problem is the lack of creativity/skill being put into the use of them.
I smell jealousy here. :) _________________ OMG you're SO right, I'm just glowing green with envy.
What?
My opinion isn't concern, it's an opinion. You know, those things people form with their thoughts when they observe stuff. Why do people like to inject jealousy as their opinion of someone else's? Is it because you can't form any better opinion of your own?
My opinion of what digi designers do to qualify themselves as designers spans to any other profession. I wouldn't consider anyone a doctor because they sport a white lab coat and can take a temperature. I don't consider someone a digital scrapbook designer because they sport a copy of Photoshop and call a square with a hole in it a template. If we had more designers creating unique, original and quality stuff, the level of animosity probably wouldn't diminish between designers but it would certainly up the quality of what's out there. The market will sort itself out by how the customers spend, so opinions hardly matter but...
That's my personal opinion. No one says you have to agree and you are free to form your own opinions all you want. If your opinion is that I'm jealous, well, good for you, then. I get that this is a smack blog and although I do see some intelligent conversation happen every now and then, the "dripping clit" and "you're so jealous" types of comments are much more typical of how conversations go around here.
Yes! Another copyright infringement rant for Disney! They should really hire you ladies!
How is what she doing any different than this??
http://www.disney-clipart.com/
http://clipart.disneysites.com/
http://freedisneyclipartsite.com/
These sites have existed for YEARS! Disney has never went after them. Why?? because it is free advertisement for them. and it doesn't cut into anything they sell. I have contacted them in doing digital scrapbooking kits and they aren't interested.
LOL right from the front page of the last site you listed:
"All free disney clipart on this site has been gathered from the public domain to the best of our knowledge."
I agree that going after and reporting this type of thing is futile because I'm sure Disney knows all about it but it's funny they claim such a thing. At the very least, someone needs to give them some learnin' on what the public domain is and that anything Disney ISN'T in it. LOL
Ding Ding Ding. I have an idea leave your comments on their blogs instead on this one because the Disney Copyright issue is getting REALLY OLD! Who cares if Disney doesn't. I mean really do you care that much that that is all you have to talk about?
My, my, my. How things have changed. You all tore several designers apart not too long ago for doing Disney inspired kits, now all of a sudden, no one cares. Interesting.
My, my, my. How things have changed. You all tore several designers apart not too long ago for doing Disney inspired kits, now all of a sudden, no one cares. Interesting.
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No I didn't. I didn't care then, I don't care now.
Sorry for the interuption ladies...really quick, can you tell me who has awesome ribbon/bows? Not the shiny kind. Gingham might be nice and while its for a personal page cu would be fine too. Thanks...sorry again for interupting your convo.
Sorry for the interuption ladies...really quick, can you tell me who has awesome ribbon/bows? Not the shiny kind. Gingham might be nice and while its for a personal page cu would be fine too. Thanks...sorry again for interupting your convo.
I think RachelScraps has the best bows and ribbons
They are if they are in a scrapbook and not all the bows are flattened. Not to mention, that no one said they were 'fascinated' and there was no raving about them either. Me thinks you are a bit of a dick actually.
I am just an average scrapper, not a designer. I am not active on any CT's, although I have been in the past. I am not active in any "scrapbook community", I don't post on the message boards, and I don't post my layouts online anymore. I read the Digi boards for entertainment, and am constantly amazed at what people share on the internet. I freely admit to reading the scrapbook smack blogs, it is a guilty pleasure.
You can email me at: DSTHallofFame@gmail.com
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«Oldest ‹Older 1001 – 1198 of 1198I wasn't aware you could copyright a spider. Or a shape that looks like a mask. Does that mean no one can ever make a spider again? Or a mask? (That was sarcasm.)
December 26, 2010 8:20 PM
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You know, before you are sarcastic, you should have had a look at what she was talking about. Now you just look stupid, but sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
The spider and the mask were distinctly Spiderman, in the same way that certain mouse ears are Mikey and a certain bate shape is Batman.
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Stupid typs, *bat not *bate.
If it is altered by 20% it isn't a violation. She isn't using the exact trademarked shapes for the objects. She is using commercially available vectors. If they were in a Halloween kit, you wouldn't say anything.
She called the kit Spidey that is a Trademark violation as Marvel/ Disney uses Spidey in their marketing.
I'm sorry but I don't see "spidey" with a trademark or copyright. Can you link me up please because a search produced no results.
"Spider-Man" is trademark.
And it isn't even worth bitching about unless you report it and let Disney sort it out and decide if they feel it is a violation. They'll probably overlook it as inspiration.
^exactly. They don't even do anything about blatant rip-offs that are reported.
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If it is altered by 20% it isn't a violation. She isn't using the exact trademarked shapes for the objects. She is using commercially available vectors. If they were in a Halloween kit, you wouldn't say anything.
December 27, 2010 6:35 AM
Thanks, Barb!
You know what the problem is with digital scrapbookiers and designers? You think you are the centre of the universe and your TOUs must be above laws, but guess what, most people don't even know you exist! (not you in particular, scrapbooking as a hobby that is).
but sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
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Nuh uh- that would be the "pun".
You would email marvel comics /legal not Disney, since marvel has their own legal section, which I did, I do want to know if this is ok, I am a designer and if it is we all will start making all kind of super hero scrap kits, put our kid in a costume and pop it right on the product to promote that kit. WHY NOT?
Some of the comments make little sense and are a little more arrogant then sarcastic, If you buy a Halloween costume such as spider- man you can do what ever you want with it, cut it up into a curtain, have your kid run up and down in a store with it, go and make pillow covers for all they care, but to put it on a commercial use item is using a trademarked figure to promote and sale a commercial use item. Marvel like many others will not care if the item is commercial use ( like you all know it) to them any project you make money off is commercial use. If it was only in a gallery, maybe it would not be discussed but it is in a STORE on a item packaging of a item for sale. I for one do not think this project will be up for much longer, I guess we will see.
One more thing, why do you think there is no “Spidey” “batman” or “Disney” collection in the Paper world? Other than some stickers which probably are made by Marvel or Disney you will not find a set such as this, you d have to go scrounge for some red and blue papers, ribbons etc get some comic stickers and do it that way. You may find that Halloween collection, orange with some bats, spiders, witches, or even may find a spider kit that's black, brown, spooky type, But you will not find a blue and red Spider Boy collection, where there is a kid in a costume on the cover.
Just something to chew on while thinking of a new sarcastic comment rather than being in an real intellectual conversation where we can learn something from.
to report Disney you should use , tips@disneyantipiracy.com or 818-560-3300
to report Marvel , infringements@marvel.com
I posted that they did reply to me in less than 24 hours but now the post is gone. (weird)
they said: Dear *** This is a counterfeit item.
Nothing contained in this e-mail shall (a) be considered a legally binding agreement, amendment or modification of any agreement with Marvel, each of which requires a fully executed agreement to be received by Marvel or (b) be deemed approval of any product, packaging, advertising or promotion material, which may only come from Marvel's Legal Department.
^ wow! good for you! And they replied too!
I reported the designer a number of posts up many times and never heard anything back. She's been selling for about 3 years now. Apparently other posters have reported her as well.
You know what the problem is with digital scrapbookiers and designers? You think you are the centre of the universe and your TOUs must be above laws, but guess what, most people don't even know you exist! (not you in particular, scrapbooking as a hobby that is).
December 27, 2010 9:00 AM
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So you aren't one of us? If we are so non-existant why are you even bothering to follow the comments in this blog? That's really weird.
We talk a lot here about copyrighting Disney, etc, but what about designers who scan in scrapbooking supplies?
http://www.twopeasinabucket.com/shop/websters-pages/92610-petal-bloomers-trim-1-yard/
http://www.twopeasinabucket.com/shop/vinnie-pearce/103338-digikit-the-apple-of-my-eye-flowers/?filters=vinnie-pearce%2Fdigital-kits
I just don't get how Two Peas can honestly sell a digital kit (element pack) that is clearly the first product photographed.
I don't understand why it matters whether Disney is going after people legally or not - wrong is wrong, regardless of whether you are going to get into trouble.
They are likely not bothering because they know that there is no money to get from it - even if they get a judgment against these small time designers, they won't get enough money to make the actual cost of the court proceedings worthwhile. If a big company like Basic Grey or Stampin Up or Creative Memories did it without a licenses, you can bet there would be a lawsuit.
Turn it on yourself - if someone started copying and selling something you make, you may not have the time or the money to go after them legally, but does that make it OK for the person to keep doing it?
I won't buy from designers who skirt that line.
For the Two Peas link ... it looks like Websters Pages is the actual physical manufacturer of these items, based on the packaging? If that's true, it's totally legit for them to scan their own items in and sell them digitally.
It's also completely possible that thy aren't really Webster's Pages, or that they take things out of other people's package and put them on a Webster's package to make it look legit.
I don't understand why it matters whether Disney is going after people legally or not - wrong is wrong, regardless of whether you are going to get into trouble.
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I do agree with this. BUT if they actually did something about the problem, then designers probably wouldn't do it any longer. Why should we care if designers are doing this if they don't care? And the other thing to consider is that some of them are on line of "inspired" and not actual copyright violations. That leads me to believe that we (as an industry) might be more hard-nosed about copyright rules than we actually need to be.
I personally like the kits someone like Britt-ish designs does for scrapping. Disney is a main vacation we take every year and I like being able to scrap those with coordinating kits. Kellybelle really skirts the line but a lot of the copyright items she gives away ad freebies. I am not sure how that falls under the freedom of use act
Either way why do any of you care? If you think it is wrong then don't support them. But really you would take the time to turn them in?
You all sound like a bunch of wannabe hall monitors. Time to get out the demerit books.
Webster's Pages is the manufacturer of the bloomers trim. When I first saw the "digi" version I went to our LSS and checked out the actual product to see if it was a knock-off or the actual webster's product she'd photographed and extracted. Webster's bloomers are circular flowers with a swirly shape between them. Those are clearly webster's extracted.
And they don't "belong" to TwoPeas...you can get them from several places.
I just thought it was odd given that Two Peas sells the "real" version that they would allow one of their digi designers to sell the "copyright violation" version in their store as well.
I guess I think that digital designing should be more than just photographing your "paper" supplies.
Turn it on yourself - if someone started copying and selling something you make, you may not have the time or the money to go after them legally, but does that make it OK for the person to keep doing it?
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This is happened a lot to me. I don't give a damn, I have other things to worry about and it's my item. How some of you can get so worked up about something that doesn't directly effect you or even relate to you is beyond me.
One more thing, why do you think there is no “Spidey” “batman” or “Disney” collection in the Paper world? Other than some stickers which probably are made by Marvel or Disney you will not find a set such as this, you d have to go scrounge for some red and blue papers, ribbons etc get some comic stickers and do it that way. You may find that Halloween collection, orange with some bats, spiders, witches, or even may find a spider kit that's black, brown, spooky type, But you will not find a blue and red Spider Boy collection, where there is a kid in a costume on the cover.
Just something to chew on while thinking of a new sarcastic comment rather than being in an real intellectual conversation where we can learn something from.
December 27, 2010 9:45 AM
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What the heck is your point? There are lot of things in digi that aren't in the paper scrap world and vise-versa.
I guess I think that digital designing should be more than just photographing your "paper" supplies.
December 27, 2010 3:51 PM
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That about describes 70% of today's designers. Extraction experts or buying CU from extraction experts.
For the Two Peas link ... it looks like Websters Pages is the actual physical manufacturer of these items, based on the packaging? If that's true, it's totally legit for them to scan their own items in and sell them digitally.
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Uh, but they didn't. Vinnie Pearce is the manufacturer of the digital kit, not Websters.
Thanks, Barb!
You know what the problem is with digital scrapbookiers and designers? You think you are the centre of the universe and your TOUs must be above laws, but guess what, most people don't even know you exist! (not you in particular, scrapbooking as a hobby that is).
December 27, 2010 9:00 AM
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You are such an idiot. As for people not knowing scrapbooking exists, not sure what universe you live in, but it isn't this one.
She called the kit Spidey that is a Trademark violation as Marvel/ Disney uses Spidey in their marketing.
December 27, 2010 6:52 AM
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Nope, not a trademark violation but it is a copyright violation.
For the Two Peas link ... it looks like Websters Pages is the actual physical manufacturer of these items, based on the packaging? If that's true, it's totally legit for them to scan their own items in and sell them digitally.
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Uh, but they didn't. Vinnie Pearce is the manufacturer of the digital kit, not Websters.
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I was talking about the first link, to the items, in a Websters store at Two Peas.
Maybe they sold them CU to other designers at Two Peas?
Maybe they sold them CU to other designers at Two Peas?
December 27, 2010 9:57 PM
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Or she did it the hard way and actually got permission to use the item.
Again, I think the people that read and post this crap on this blog care more about it than the companies that are supposedly being violated. I like the hall monitor reference.
I was talking about the first link, to the items, in a Websters store at Two Peas.
Maybe they sold them CU to other designers at Two Peas?
December 27, 2010 9:57 PM
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So was I. The first link was to the Webster item the second link was to a kit designed by Vinnie Pearce which contained the Webster item.
Again, I think the people that read and post this crap on this blog care more about it than the companies that are supposedly being violated. I like the hall monitor reference.
December 27, 2010 10:54 PM
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I agree. I have no idea what a hall monitor is, some American innovation?
Or she did it the hard way and actually got permission to use the item.
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Or she designed them FOR the company! A lot of digital designers work for big paper companies as well.
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Um, no. Yes, a few digi designers design for paper companies but they don't design products like those flower ribbons
A hall monitor is a kid in school, who sits out in the hall, 'monitoring' for hall violations between classes. Checks for hall passes to be out of class. Usually thinks he/she is a school God. Loves to turn violators in.
agree. I have no idea what a hall monitor is, some American innovation?
December 28, 2010 12:01 AM
In schools they monitor the hall and write kids up for being bad or being out of class. They are the ultimate brown nosers and tattle talers. And typically they end up being wannabe police officers because they are too wimpy to be real police. And then they become security officers for the library where they kick you out for having a water bottle or talking to loudly.
OR they end up posting any potentially pirated product on DSTHOF.
Turn it on yourself - if someone started copying and selling something you make, you may not have the time or the money to go after them legally, but does that make it OK for the person to keep doing it?
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It has happened to me. Wal-Mart actually sold t-shirts marketed to the same industry with our trademark on them. We paid well over $2000 to trademark the item 4 different ways.(Online Sales, Retail in-store sales, magazine marketing, video gaming) Unfortunately we are small fish in a big pond trying to fight them, but we will continue.
Either way I found out on my own. I didn't need tattle tales to send emails to me letting me know of the violation. It is my job as a business owner to protect my interests. I shouldn't rely on internet spies.
One person emailed me to let me know of a cafe press violation and then expected I send him a free shirt. The fact is all the tattle tales do it for a reason.
If you thought that other one was bad this is against both Marvel and DC comics.
http://scraporchard.com/market/product.php?productid=18727&cat=0&page=4
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Nope. Both the Batman and Spiderman symbols are different from the trademarked logo.
Look, if it concerns you, go and report it to the proper authorities, the rest of us don't really care.
Thanks to those who explained the hall monitor. That's exactly what you are, a wannabe do gooder on a power trip.
yeah you are fooled with the one bat in the first preview but take a look at the paper bats and the bat in the brad it is the batman bat. what ever right, lets just rip everyone off i guess, who gives a shit anymore. now talking about copyright issues on a smack blog is considered being a hall monitor, those calling people this here are the ones wanting to brake the rules anyhow, they are hoping this stops so they can finally get that Disney kit out, i for one hope every one starts getting ripped off, let the paper industry start printing digital designs and make profit of it, yey for wall-mart ripping off your shirt design! you deserve it, i hope you never win a penny from your "fight against them"
Speak for yourself. Lots of us do care.
seems like some dont, it was my turn for sarcasm lol
Speak for yourself. Lots of us do care.
December 28, 2010 6:43 PM
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Speak for yourself. lots of really don't give a crap.
what ever right, lets just rip everyone off i guess, who gives a shit anymore. now talking about copyright issues on a smack blog is considered being a hall monitor, those calling people this here are the ones wanting to brake the rules anyhow, they are hoping this stops so they can finally get that Disney kit out,
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I guess your major was drama, right?
I just don't give a damn about the constant yammering about copyright on this blog. It's boring and repetitive. It's the same conversation regurgitated over and over and over and over again.
Just because I'm bored with something, doesn't mean I want to break the rules.
yeah you are fooled with the one bat in the first preview but take a look at the paper bats and the bat in the brad it is the batman bat.
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I did look at the paper bats and the brad and the background paper, it's not the batman logo, it's very similar, but it's no the same. Yes, I did check. Fooled you though, didn't it?
yey for wall-mart ripping off your shirt design! you deserve it, i hope you never win a penny from your "fight against them"
December 28, 2010 6:36 PM
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How childish can you get? At least that person did her own research and didn't wait for some tattle tale.
Either way I found out on my own. I didn't need tattle tales to send emails to me letting me know of the violation. It is my job as a business owner to protect my interests. I shouldn't rely on internet spies.
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Exactly!
One person emailed me to let me know of a cafe press violation and then expected I send him a free shirt. The fact is all the tattle tales do it for a reason.
December 28, 2010 4:25 PM
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How true is that. It's like all those witnesses who only come forward when a reward is posted.
December 28, 2010 7:17 PM
So tired of people saying they hate the drama here and are bored with it, yet they come back to comment on and read the boring drama blog
December 28, 2010 7:20 PM
and what good did it do her? NADA
shes here amongst us spies telling her sad story... yawn
One person emailed me to let me know of a cafe press violation and then expected I send him a free shirt. The fact is all the tattle tales do it for a reason.
December 28, 2010 4:25 PM
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How true is that. It's like all those witnesses who only come forward when a reward is posted.
December 28, 2010 7:24 PM
**** NEWSFLASH ****
And that LAWYER you are going to get To snoop out those violations and laws, then tattle tale to the Judge Will not want a t-shirt, he will only want a cut of your $$$.
**** NEWSFLASH ****
And that LAWYER you are going to get To snoop out those violations and laws, then tattle tale to the Judge Will not want a t-shirt, he will only want a cut of your $$$.
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***NEWSFLASH***
It is different when I chose to HIRE someone to do a job.
Don't you have a copyright violation to go report?
So tired of people saying they hate the drama here and are bored with it, yet they come back to comment on and read the boring drama blog
December 28, 2010 8:03 PM
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I said I was bored with the copyright issue, not everything. So tired of people not reading what's actually written.
**** NEWSFLASH ****
And that LAWYER you are going to get To snoop out those violations and laws, then tattle tale to the Judge Will not want a t-shirt, he will only want a cut of your $$$.
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Yeah, because that's exactly the same thing, exactly!! I'm impressed with your skills of interpretation and understanding.
December 28, 2010 7:20 PM
and what good did it do her? NADA
shes here amongst us spies telling her sad story... yawn
December 28, 2010 8:05 PM
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And your point is what exactly? Other than proving you are, without a doubt, a complete fruit.
personally I don't care if a kit is inspired by something. I like having kits to match a theme. If Disney, Marvel, etc etc etc. don't give a shit, why should I?
Bring them on!
Divine Digital has exceeded their bandwidth again. When is that site going to get it together and stop being laughingstock of the digiscrap industry?
Actually, Liz has a family member with health problems and she had to leave to help the family. It was nothing bad.
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I was just catching up on old posts and saw this. That is not accurate. Not only is she still actively designing, there's much more to that story. Another successful cover-up at GP.
She was in the process of taking over GP and instead made off with payout.
I feel sorry for the next store to take her on.
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Any store owner that doesn't do any form of due diligence on designers they take on deserve what they get.
WTF? Details please.
Happy New Year fellow Smack Hags!!!
Yep! Happy New Year!
Thanks for all the entertainment you help provide. :)
It's 10.30 at night and still bloody hot!!!
Summer - what is it to be in hell!!!!
Happy goddamn new year!!!
And it's going to be even hotter today. Happy New Year!
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Not here it isn't. It's a whole 15 degrees cooler today
It's only 7:30 pm here and I am curled up in the recliner by the fireplace trying to stay warm. LOL!
But I'll commiserate with you in 6 months.
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I'd swap places in a heartbeat.
I want to hear more about the GP cover-up and Liz! Details, anyone? She was going to purchase it and made off with cash instead? Inquiring minds want to know...
I want to know, too! Is there a scandal here?
Has anyone checked out the DST Blog Train, yet? I went to about 20 sites and have only downloaded from two so far. The rest are really crappy. I was very disappointed with some of the "better-known" designers, especially Connie Prince.
I believe if you read the post at Connie's site, "her" contribution is actually by someone named Shari that she has been mentoring, not by Connie herself.
That being said I do not understand her popularity. She cranks out tons of products, but IMO not particularly unique. But it seems every other person requested her for one of the gold member kit designers.
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Connie is exceptionally sweet and easy to work with. I know she treats her CT, other designers and customers well! Something can be said for the way you act.
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Not really. I have no clue how she acts and quite honestly, couldn't care less. That goes for all designers. If I like it, I buy it. A designer would have to have been extremely obnoxious for me not to buy from them. Even then I might weaken if they had something I really wanted.
The reason Connie was named by 'every other post' for a Gold Member kit was because her rabid CT hit the thread.
There are a lot of really sweet designers that treat CT, customers and other designers well who were not named.
I checked out the blog train. Some good stuff, some total crap. Love that COLS didn't even enter her blog address right so the link from headquarters doesn't work. :)
I'd like to hear more from the person who did a drive-by comment on Sweet Digi Scraps. Since she co-owned the site, I don't see how she could have mad a takeover attempt?
Stupid challenge:
http://www.mscraps.com/forum/showthread.php?p=96878#post96878
"Theme Challenge: THE WINTER
Make a page using the colours of the winter (white, blue, grey, brown etc.)
I have just one condition: The photo, you use must be connected to snow. There can be landscapes or people...just with snow!"
Hello? What about another half of the world that has never seen snow in their lifetime? How inconsiderate is this?
I can't believe nobody in the team sees that this can be a problem. The site's "Challenge Leader" (not this challenge's host) herself lives in a place where there's no snow either and yet she thinks this challenge is fair to all members? I can understand it if the rules are only about color theme and such. But photo as well?
The way I see it, it's just not right to (more or less) force people to use others' pictures to scrap for a challenge. Especially when scrappers and designers cry foul everytime someone just takes the pictures/material they posted on the web without permission.
^^^^ Oh puh-leeeeeezzz, have you nothing better to bitch about? You are certainly free to NOT participate in that particular challenge, no? How about looking at any one of the hundreds of other challenges you could choose from?
I'm sick of all this "Oh poor me! I'm excluded from this _____. I think I'll raise a stink about it instead of finding a challenge that is better suited to my needs" behavior! Every single thing online is not going to appeal to every single person in the world. Get over it.
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Excuse me, is there any thing in my message that makes you think it's about me? Can't I bitch about things I find inconsiderate even when it's not about me? So everyone who comes here has to bitch only about things directly concerning them?
For the record I have loads and loads of my own pictures IF I choose to participate. But the challenge itself puts me off.
You are right, those who feel excluded can walk away and find other things better suited them anytime. That's exactly my point! Why do forums have challenges to begin with? Isn't it because they want people to participate, feel included, and stay with them? And how does offering one that they know full well a number of members won't be able to participate in serve that purpose?
I'm not fighting with you and don't have anything against the store. Challenges are supposed to be for fun after all. I only raised this issue because I thought it's better for stores/forums to think it through before they do things like this.
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Er, I live in a part of the world that doesn't' get snow and I wouldn't feel excluded from that challenge. It's not that hard to get a photo that has snow in it.
You are right, those who feel excluded can walk away and find other things better suited them anytime. That's exactly my point! Why do forums have challenges to begin with? Isn't it because they want people to participate, feel included, and stay with them? And how does offering one that they know full well a number of members won't be able to participate in serve that purpose?
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If it was a bunch of challenges, then I would get the complaint, but one challenge? Geez, if people are the easily offended, they ought not to participate in anything. The world is not fair, how would they cope with things that actually matter?
I'll bet if there was a christmas challenge that required ONLY "summer" christmas photos you'd have a bitch about it. Not everyone lives in the northern hemisphere.
"If it was a bunch of challenges, then I would get the complaint, but one challenge? Geez, if people are the easily offended, they ought not to participate in anything. The world is not fair, how would they cope with things that actually matter?
January 1, 2011 9:34 PM"
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Yeah, the world isn't fair unless everything runs to suit the good old US of A :P Newsflash! The US isn't the bee all and end all.
should be "be all and end all". Just saving the grammar police from pouncing LOL
Yeah, the world isn't fair unless everything runs to suit the good old US of A :P Newsflash! The US isn't the bee all and end all.
January 1, 2011 10:30 PM
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not sure where the US comment comes from? Plenty of places in the U.S. where it does not snow -
does it have to be real snow? personally, I'd find a snowglobe or something to take a picture and scrap a page "this is as close to snow as I will ever get" lol
Yeah, the world isn't fair unless everything runs to suit the good old US of A :P Newsflash! The US isn't the bee all and end all.
January 1, 2011 10:30 PM
Last time I checked, it still snows in much of Europe and Asia so I'm not sure how you think that was just fair to the US? There are many states in the US that don't get snow and they are heavily populated too!
Go ahead and offer a Christmas challenge with summer photos. I won't complain. I won't participate either. But not every challenge suits how I scrap and I wouldn't expect them to just do what I want.
does it have to be real snow? personally, I'd find a snowglobe or something to take a picture and scrap a page "this is as close to snow as I will ever get" lol
January 1, 2011 11:32 PM
Great idea!!! That would be creative! Which I htink is the purpose of challenges, to inspire creativity! Some people just do them to earn the freebie kit though.
"If it was a bunch of challenges, then I would get the complaint, but one challenge? Geez, if people are the easily offended, they ought not to participate in anything. The world is not fair, how would they cope with things that actually matter?
January 1, 2011 9:34 PM"
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Yeah, the world isn't fair unless everything runs to suit the good old US of A :P Newsflash! The US isn't the bee all and end all.
January 1, 2011 10:30 PM
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You're an idiot. I made the comment you are referring to and I don't live in the USA, I don't even live in the Northern Hemisphere.
Besides, you obviously aren't aware that there are quite a few places in the good ol' USA where it doesn't snow either.
I'll bet if there was a christmas challenge that required ONLY "summer" christmas photos you'd have a bitch about it. Not everyone lives in the northern hemisphere.
January 1, 2011 10:26 PM
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Nope, you'd be wrong, I wouldn't bitch about it, because I would just choose not to participate. It's my choice to enter or not. Bitching about a challenge that doesn't suit me personally is just childish. There are plenty of challenges in the forum where I hang, some I participate in and some I don't. To expect them to all suit me or to suit everyone is ridiculous.
does it have to be real snow? personally, I'd find a snowglobe or something to take a picture and scrap a page "this is as close to snow as I will ever get" lol
January 1, 2011 11:32 PM
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Now that's being creative and proactive, instead of being negative and whiny. Great idea.
I'll bet if there was a christmas challenge that required ONLY "summer" christmas photos you'd have a bitch about it. Not everyone lives in the northern hemisphere.
January 1, 2011 10:26 PM
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Are you aware that quite a few places in the Northern Hemisphere don't get snow in the winter? They would probably have 'summer' Christmas photos? I'm told that ignorance is bliss, is that true?
Such a fun read. Just want to make clear that I'm the "uncreative" and "childish" original poster on the challenge, and I have stopped posting since January 1, 2011 8:32 PM. I am NOT the one mentioning the US. (Sorry. I know you sided with me but that one IS childish. LOL) Do go on.
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I had to look that up to figure out what the heck you are talking about.
She wasn't doing a takeover attempt, Stacy was selling her the store and walking away. Until she failed to pay anyone and she had to come back and clean up the mess.
Until she failed to pay anyone and she had to come back and clean up the mess.
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She who? Stacy or Liz?
Liz didn't pay the designers, so Stacy had to. Out of her own personal money.
and Liz was one of the designers that Joedee didn't pay.
Only partial truth ^^^^^Above posters
I was indeed in a buying out process of GP and had been doing so for 6 months. The contract for the buyout ended in middle October. I did not walk away from the site, nor was I sent away because I refused to pay the designers, but was found in breech of contract that Stacy and I had between each other. This was due to failure of keeping up with the admin duties of the site to the extent that was healthy. My personal life had become something of a whirlwind of a wreck, and instead of swallowing my pride and admitting that I just didn't have the time to do all that needed to be done, or asking for help I tried to press on and keep up. I failed miserably, and it resulted in me being able to do only the absolute necessities on the site. I was in contact the entire time during my personal "crisis" with several of the designers and Stacy as much as possible and almost daily up until a few days prior to my being removed.
Either way, something happened that forced me in a position in personal life to be out of touch for a couple of days. (This I will add was AFTER I had already done payout for the designers in which they DID get paid with exception of 2 people that was a complete oversight and non-intentional, and both were corrected as SOON as I was aware of the oversight)
At the point when I could not be reached, Stacy did what was in the best interest of the designers/team members and the site by removing my admin access and taking back the site to ensure everything was operating as it should. It was absolutely the best choice, and one I was too stupid to make on my own far before things became as they were. At the time of my removal, and Stacy regaining control of the site I had just a couple days worth of pay in my business account, in which I never relinquished over to Stacy and she covered on her own to complete the payout following my removal. There are only 2 people in which I owe money to Stacy and My prior CT lead (Who was NOT on the payroll from GP but was of a different agreement and will be rectified in the near future) - However I have been informed (although I do not know to what extent it to be true) that a lawsuit from Stacy will be coming my way for the days of GP money as well as several other items and we will hash out the details about the breech of contract at that point - As I have several things and reasons as to why I took the actions I did after my removal and can not fully discuss those at the moment in time because I still have no clue what the future is holding for this.
I will add, and admit that my absence in the last couple days was not a first time for me in those 6 months. I sucked at balancing out personal and business life, and when things got extreme on the personal side I went on "techcation" so to speak in order to deal with the things in the best way I (at the time) knew how to do. It was extremely wrong of me, and things COULD have been handled much easier, but they weren't. I wont get into my personal woes, as there is no poor pity me, or excuses to be made. I was simply too stubborn and full of too much pride to admit that things weren't all sunshine and rainbows when I should have.
Yes, as the far before poster mentioned. I am actively designing again- but only for myself. The ladies at ACOT were kind enough to reactivate my store that I had with them before ever becoming an admin at GP and have allowed me to make designs available through them and I have put my designs up on my own personal website that I had far before joining GottaPixel even as a designer. I have just in the last month found a better balance and got rid of some of the preventions I had before that have allowed me to design and be part of the scrapbooking world (in sorts) once again. It is something that I love to do, and will continue to do for a good while I am sure (whether or not I share with anyone) It is just something I enjoy during my "free time".
I am not looking for, and did not plan on looking for another store to add to my list or place to hang my hat. I simply can not promise the time and devotion necessary to be in a consignment shop, as life is still not all that peachy over here. Nor do I wish my "taint" to affect any other designers.
Not that I think it matters all that much, but yes I was not only one of the designers that Joedee skipped out on, but also the one she ended up using as a go to and let the questions come running to. It was me that took care of the admin items for her while she was making off with money in the end (Which at the time I was completely oblivious to what the master plan was) She used and fooled me, Jenn, Amanda and Angie far beyond just making off with money.
I have a great found respect for the designers with whom I have worked with and got to know personally. Many know what was going on with me, several I talked with on skype, yahoo ect.. and know personally to be true I never had intentions of becoming a failure with GP. I had ideas, and a great deal of plans for the site to flourish- but just couldn't follow through even though I wanted to. And even though we have so much left needing taken care of, extreme respect for Stacy and all other owners for that matter that run successful sites. All of which are stronger women than I, and do far more than an outsider (no offense intended)could even begin to imagine.
Bottom line- I failed and needed weeded out of the store before my failure became a complete domino affect on the entire site (in which it was fastly approaching that)There is still business left unfinished, and people I am sure that have strong distaste for me. But what happened happened, I can't change that. I can only press forward, learn from my stupidity and do what I feel is best. Regardless of how long it takes to get there.
Liz, you didn't need to explain to us, but it takes a lot of guts to come clean on a smack blog.
Liz - you are a good person and seem to be a straight shooter, I wondered if you would get wind of this and want to clear it up.
It sounds to me that you are painting a rosy picture of how Stacy handled things - sure you were in breach of contract, but for her to just remove you from the site because you were having a rough time is pretty heartless. A frank heart-to-heart with you, where she told you you needed to step back, would have been a whole lot kinder than just removing you. But that is all in line with things we have heard about Stacy in the past, so I guess that doesn't surprise me, either.
I hope that the lawsuit, when and if it comes, isn't too painful. If it was just a couple of designers you overlooked, maybe you can just pay that off and be done with it?
At any rate, I don't see a 'taint' associated with you at all. If anythign I have an even more sour taste in my mouth for Stacy. The more I hear about her the less inclined I am to shop there.
It sounds to me that you are painting a rosy picture of how Stacy handled things - sure you were in breach of contract, but for her to just remove you from the site because you were having a rough time is pretty heartless. A frank heart-to-heart with you, where she told you you needed to step back, would have been a whole lot kinder than just removing you.
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Not for or against Stacy, but it was a business decision. In business you have to make decisions that are for the good of the majority and the business, not the individual.
Tables turned, Liz could have had a heart to heart with Stacy, before things got out of control. Sure Liz was having a hard time, but her personal hard time effected everyone in the store, effected the business, was that fair? By Liz's own admission, it wasn't fair.
Six months of that crap and you think it was heartless for Stacy to remove someone? I doubt you'd be saying that if it was you who was being effected.
What money would be owed to Stacy if all the designers were paid and the sale of the store voided?
Yes I do think that after 6 months to just remove someone is heartless. I don't think it's necessary to run your business without regard for people's personal circumstances. Temporarily close her store, contact her, sure, until you can talk it over and come to an agreement, but for a couple of days of absence to remove her completely and sue her, that is uncalled for.
Sounds like there were 2 designers who didn't get paid by Liz, and Stacy would have people believe that Liz made off with the whole pay period. That is also heartless to spread disinformation.
I agree with above ^^^^ I am not painting anything out for Stacy to look on the upper hand, nor do I wish to do so for the lower end either.
Business is business- And it was treated as such. When I was removed, as said before, I was completely out of touch- Not one digi soul knew what was going on with me for those few days. And at the time I didn't even stop and think about telling anyone. And in her shoes- I completely understand her fears about "what ifs" and "maybes" about me and her removing me
Me and Stacy had talked before about personal situations ect.. we had hashed things out and I pushed forward and she supported me in pushing forward. I was determined to make it work.
Could things have been handled differently? Of course they could have- by both. But two wrongs didn't make anything right, and something had to give, and I was too stubborn to let go when I should have.
I wasn't a totally crappy admin, as I was co-admining with Stacy even before we entered a buyout agreement. It was just in the last few months that my personal life began interfering and I just lost it.
Stacy really isn't so bad. And I get no brownie points for saying so- I got to know her on a personal level, and I think that is the difference that most don't get to see. She is just business and frank when it comes to the scrap world- Just as a CEO would be for a company. She doesn't play around with words or sugar coats anything for people (like myself and many like to hear)She doesn't play around when it comes to the site. She is who she is, and as far as ownership- She runs GP like a well oiled machine and its pretty darn nice for those on the back end.
*I will say that I am only speaking on time from when I personally got to know her forward.
Yes I do think that after 6 months to just remove someone is heartless. I don't think it's necessary to run your business without regard for people's personal circumstances. Temporarily close her store, contact her, sure, until you can talk it over and come to an agreement, but for a couple of days of absence to remove her completely and sue her, that is uncalled for.
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That's not what happened. In Liz's original post she said she was incommunicado for some time and she confirmed that fact again following your post.
Stacy really isn't so bad. And I get no brownie points for saying so- I got to know her on a personal level, and I think that is the difference that most don't get to see. She is just business and frank when it comes to the scrap world- Just as a CEO would be for a company. She doesn't play around with words or sugar coats anything for people (like myself and many like to hear)She doesn't play around when it comes to the site. She is who she is, and as far as ownership- She runs GP like a well oiled machine and its pretty darn nice for those on the back end.
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Thanks for your plain speaking Liz. Props to you.
I see it so often in the scrap world that anyone who is frank and doesn't sugar coat is considered heartless, stuck up, a know-it-all, etc. etc. Personally I prefer plain speaking any time over a whole lot of nothing and sugar coating, but then, I don't have a sweet tooth, so it's not surprising.
I have found that in the real world and on the internet, it's the sweet talkers you have to watch out for.
Sounds like there were 2 designers who didn't get paid by Liz, and Stacy would have people believe that Liz made off with the whole pay period. That is also heartless to spread disinformation.
January 2, 2011 7:17 PM
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I never heard Stacy say anything of the kind. I've heard other people say it, but not Stacy. Have you herd Stacy say it? If not, you too are spreading disinformation.
I was just wondering if you could explain the Jodee thing. I knew somthing went down long ago with her and her shop where lot of money went missing but I thought it was never proven. Did I miss something somewhere? What ever happened to her? Just curious. Thanks.
^Joedee didn't pay her designers after the sale of ES and disappeared with the final payout. That is proven. She hasn't showed up in digiland since.
What wasn't ever really proven was that the site's paypal account was hacked and someone stole some charity money. (this was about 1 year before ES was sold and Jodee made off with payout.) It's harder to believe since she disappeared with that final payout.
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That about sums it up.
Hello ladies. I've been away from dgiland and the blog for a while now (was off getting married and having a baby..lol) Since I've got some new found time I wanted to get back to scrapping and since it's been more than a year since I've so much as looked around I'm wondering who the new and better designers are nowadays. I cant believe the turnover since I've been around. Went to DST and whoa..holy cow! Too many people I dont even know. I knew I'd get the whole truth and nothing but the truth from you gals over here. So, where do I start? Thanks!!
I knew I'd get the whole truth and nothing but the truth from you gals over here. So, where do I start? Thanks!!
Are you kidding? You expect truth on a slam blog. You've been out of the net too long. There's a lot of garbage on this blog. That you can be sure of!!
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there's a lot of garbage at DST and other forums too, let's be fair now.
Too many people I dont even know. I knew I'd get the whole truth and nothing but the truth from you gals over here. So, where do I start? Thanks!!
January 3, 2011 12:07 PM
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It's because there is too much crap at DST. The 'old' designers stopped writting there and it's full of newbies who think they can design. Where are the old ones? I don't know. Probably designing instead of gossiping :)
The smart ones do their designing and keep their personal lives and business personal. If they come here it's because they like to shoot others down whether there is really a good reason or not they'll make one up. The digiscrap business just like any other. There are the bad, the good and the ugly. Most times when somewhen gets put down on the blog people are just being ugly. Every now and then they might actually have something worthwhile to say but most times it's just to get a rise out of the others.
Anyone know what happened to the GSO blog?
I know, there was a lot of self promotion going on, but I just noticed that they up and quit?
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Not sure, but I did notice that there are some new peole there and some of the old ones have gone. Maybe it will now stop being so self serving.
Ok, so who are these great "smart" designers? Im serious. I went to DST and could barely look at the product gallery..disgusting! Here is what was on the first few pages...
http://www.digishoptalk.com/products/showphoto.php?photo=82630
http://www.digishoptalk.com/products/showphoto.php?photo=82664
http://www.digishoptalk.com/products/showphoto.php?photo=82647
Someone please tell me what made these "designers" think they have a clue? I looked through several pages and honestly could not find one thing I'd take for free! Do they realize how badly they are embarassing themselves? Boy this industry has turned to diarrhea.
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None of the really decent designers ever promoted themselves in the product gallery, except maybe in the first few months it was open.
Basing your assessment on the entire industry on one product gallery is just limiting yourself. The whole industry has not turned to diarrhea. That's like going to Walmart and saying the entire clothing industry has gone down the hole.
Go and check out Oscraps, quite a few new designers over there, plus some of the old ones. At least most of them seem to design stuff you can scrap with.
Ok, so who are these great "smart" designers? Im serious. I went to DST and could barely look at the product gallery..disgusting! Here is what was on the first few pages...
http://www.digishoptalk.com/products/showphoto.php?photo=82630
http://www.digishoptalk.com/products/showphoto.php?photo=82664
http://www.digishoptalk.com/products/showphoto.php?photo=82647
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What's wrong with the first two? The last one is disgusting, but the first two look okay to me. Not my thing, but they aren't disgusting.
The third one is CU4CU! How in the world could something like that be used CU4CU or even just CU? The heart shape is not even smooth! I don't even think you can choose the word(s). Not very versatile for a CU product!
the first item ...well, not my thing either, but at least stargazy usually does good work. The 2nd one...that gal has been selling that stuff for years at scrap it sassy...nuff said. and the third...well, its people like this that give PSP'ers a bad name.
The 2nd one...that gal has been selling that stuff for years at scrap it sassy...nuff said.
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Meaning what?
I like digi scrap addicts. DSA
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I wasn't aware they were a store, just a forum.
Scrap It Sassy is just plain rubbish.
This might then be the place to ask: what other store do you consider to have mostly rubbish overall?
Well, Royanna is opening ANOTHER store!
http://www.scrapdelicious.com/shoppe/Studio-RA-Royanna-Fritschmann/
How does she manage that???
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the question should be, how the heck did she manage to get other designers to sell there? Are they related or just stupid?
Rubbish? There are too many to list. Any place that sells TAGGERS and posers shit. and all the PSP users that make scripts that make a black hockey puck. They are all over the place. You can toss Enchanted Studio into that mess now too.
Oh yeah! a hockey puck. I remember seeing that too (cannot remember where though). "Fully interactive: you can choose any color". Laughable! I wonder how come store owners dont say anything when it comes to products like that. I mean, you dont need to be a genius to see how basic, and not-very-useful those things can be. Do those scripts really sell. I have to say though, that i have seen PS actions in that same category too. Sad.
LOL! no kidding...I saw one once that made an orange...and it also let you pick your color. Um..DUH!
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Hey, that gives you the option to have a fresh orange or a moldy one! THAT is interactive! (and surely versatile as a designer tool!!!)
Since scripts and actions have been brought up...who do you think has the best (or worst)?
Since scripts and actions have been brought up...who do you think has the best (or worst)?
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don't know who is 'best' or 'worst' (don't have psp) but I know which psp script-maker gets her ideas by going through other designers stores and ads or galleries and then claiming a customer asked her to make a script like this other design.
Guesses?
considering that I (capital I there) am one customer that asked Cassel (I think that is who you are referring to) for a script based on something I saw somewhere else....I think perhaps you should better think out your comment. I see copy after copy of actions - someone comes out with a new one, and suddenly there are 10 just like it out there. For PSP users...there is ONE goto person for scripts...and that is Cassel. Think what YOU want about her...she does excellent work, and DOES make them based on customer requests. I have more than one script made by request. Considering all the conversations here on originality....the general conclusion being that there is NONE anymore....and you aren't a PSP user...what the hell do you care anyway?
thousands of posts before we get new space....why?
what does it matter? I just load the most recent page, easy peasy.
Yes, I agree on the Cassel comment. I couldn't care less if she copies anybody, especially not after I saw what happened to Rachael's rolled flowers. They were copied by 20 people within a week of coming out. The consensus here on this blog was, "Well, what did you expect? They were cute."
And it's not Cassel who combs the stores looking for things to copy; as the previous poster said, I have done it myself, and said, "Here, we PSP users need something like this."
Meanwhile, Atomic Cupcake is copying Cassel and nobody is whining about that!
Zig Zag Scrap is having a designer call. Explain to me how they can say that they want their designers to be original and use as little CU as possible, yet most if not all of their designers sell CU product? Doesn't that seem hypocritical?
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How, exactly? Just because they sell CU, doesn't mean they want their designers to use CU.
Meanwhile, Atomic Cupcake is copying Cassel and nobody is whining about that!
January 6, 2011 8:38 PM
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for example?
Rachel was not the first to make the rolled flowers. They were in several other designer's digital kits long before she started selling them. They were popular in paper scrapping months before they started appearing in digi. And they have been used in other crafting for a long long time.
http://shop.scrapbookgraphics.com/BasicGrey-Dawson-Starter-Kit.html
Looks like Basic Grey is having a hard time putting Digi Kits together. They have a lovey Dovey Always in my heart word art with Hemi Power and Digging tools? I don't get it and they are very BASIC!
To me it looks like a brand new digi designer. Maybe they should set up shop at scrappable or somewhere else.
Atomic Cupcake has been around since the beginning. She was the original in CU! I doubt there is much for her to steal from Cassel. LAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow.I have to agree with the mom who has been out of digiland for a while. I was also not around for quite a while. Much longer than her and all I can say is holy cow! Where did these horrible so-called designers come from. I started digiscrapping waaay back when Gina Miller, Corina, Holly Mccaig and other real artists were around. Those were the days of real designing. These new girls who seem to have woken up one day thinking they could actually design look so foolish. It's absolutely amazing to me. I'm sitting here lmao off at what I have seen. The market is oversaturated with total crap. I CT'ed for one of the original old time designers (yes, you all know who she is) and she never used CT crap. Her designs were quality and not copied from anyone. She had a team of 10 of us and I know for a fact she cleared $3k a month easy. I'm curious to know if these newbies are making much more than $5 a month. How do they do it with such terrible work? I've heard stories about the quality of this new generation but I did not believe it until I saw it with my own two eyes. I know most of those original quality designers have moved on to big paper companies and work with other companies (non-consignment shop) so maybe thats why so much of this crap has moved in. I'm sorry but I would be embarassed if I were 99% of these "designers". Just because they figured out how to download a free pirate copy of photoshop and use more than half of CU shit in their collections does NOT make them an artist. I sure wish this were 5 years ago when the real artists ruled this industry. Oh and yes, I do believe there are a few great ones left but I'd call that maybe 1%. The rest should hang up their mouse and realize how stupid they look to the digi world.
I CT'ed for one of the original old time designers (yes, you all know who she is) and she never used CT crap
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Oops, meant CU Crap. Not CT.
I started digiscrapping waaay back when Gina Miller, Corina, Holly Mccaig and other real artists were around.
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Don't make me laugh. All of the above designers used CU, and they used a fair bit of it too. It's just that in those 'olden' days, CU wasn't as available as it is now, so most scrappers didn't realize the amount of CU used. Now, with CU being everywhere, it's more recognizable when used.
Gina Miller was one of the first real big CU users. That is laughable!
Amanda Rockwell is one of the only designers I can think of that creates 99% of her stuff!
I can think of quite a few current designers that create all of their own unique designs.
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So can I, and some designer that at least use CU creatively and don't just buy and plonk.
I started digiscrapping waaay back when Gina Miller, Corina, Holly Mccaig and other real artists were around.
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Don't make me laugh. All of the above designers used CU, and they used a fair bit of it too. It's just that in those 'olden' days, CU wasn't as available as it is now, so most scrappers didn't realize the amount of CU used. Now, with CU being everywhere, it's more recognizable when used.
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Not even close to what's going on today. Nonetheless, I still stand by my words. 99% of what is out there designing today is total crap. Slapping some shit on a preview and into a consignment shop doesn't make you an artist. Not by any stretch of the word.
Agreed. 99.99999% digital scrap design out there is crap.It's painful to dig through it all. I would love to see some of these idiots design a single paper with NO commercial use items at all!!! Personally it makes me laugh too when I see these "designers", who never even thought about art as a profession, wake up one morning dl a pirated copy of PS and call themself a designer. The only reason they think they can be considered as such is because no one needs to approve them before they begin. Hell, I can take a few pictures and open up a website and call myself a professional photographer.....right? No different. Wannabe artists/designers, why dont you apply to a paper company and ask for feedback while your at it. That should send most of you home crying to pack up your commercial use crap and move onto your next fly by night profession. Oh how silly they look. ROFLMAO
Since scripts and actions have been brought up...who do you think has the best (or worst)?
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Nobody knows?
The only reason they think they can be considered as such is because no one needs to approve them before they begin.
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This is sadly true, but at the same time, many store owners (not all) don't seem to set any "quality requirements" except for the QC and we all know that there is much more to quality products than checking for blurriness, jaggies and stray pixels.
Looks like Basic Grey is having a hard time putting Digi Kits together. They have a lovey Dovey Always in my heart word art with Hemi Power and Digging tools? I don't get it and they are very BASIC!
Is there anything wrong with basic? There are new scrappers everyday who wouldn't know where to start unless there was some basic stuff out there. What you see in CT LOs are really not what scrappers are scrapping. Quit living in lala land and get real. Most scrappers and not CT Scrappers are scrapping memories not fantasy crap!! Luckily I have CT who like to scrap just plain and normal LOs and many use lots of basic items!
LOL I love coming here and while reading some of the inane comments being made, I can only laugh. If you have such an adversion to what is being designed today why do you even bother to complain. Why don't you just go about designing everything yourself. You obviously then wouldn't have to worry about all the CU being used or which designers are using it and you certainly wouldn't have to worry about quality because we all know what you would design would be of the highest quality. If you are designer then you obviously aren't one of the many you are putting down. I mean really........
The only thing I can agree with is that designers aren't making what they use to make in sales because of the amount of designers in the market today and many have left for that reason. Obviously though some must be making enough to satisfy them or would they really stay around and design for peanuts? So why are you so worried what they make. When all is said and done the market will right itself eventually and many more will leave just as many stores are closing their doors. But really this line is getting so old it's beginning to stink. If you can't find something worthwhile to find to discuss lets just go back over how bad designers are these days and continue to beat it to death, beat it to death, beat it to death.
I agree. I also firmly believe that if you're going to call yourself a "commercial use" designer, you need to actually design something. Scanning/photographing and extracting is NOT designing. Rendering a DAZ model in 24 different poses is not designing. Making a square with a hole in it and calling it a tag template is not designing. It's funny because when I need some inspiration or ideas for things to put in a kit, I'll browse the cu shops for ideas and if (that's a big IF) I find something that piques my interest, I'll just make it myself because 99.9 percent of it is so simple, my MOM could make it and trust me when I say my mom can barely turn on a computer without having an issue. It truly is laughable to see what is for sale today from a designer's view but it's very, very sad that it sells and the people buying it are actually using it to try and make money.
Here's a hint: If you need a commercial-use item for your "designs" that took 30 seconds to make with 3 steps, you shouldn't be designing ANYTHING. Take the really badly made heart with words PSD template and script/action that was mentioned above. Seriously, if you need to buy that....there is NO hope for you.
You don't necessarily need to know how to draw to design but you do need a firm knowledge of your design software, along with a unique sense of creativity and color-coordination. With such a saturated market, selling a badly-drawn heart with "I love you" written on it in PSD format isn't going to earn you any love, never mind money. When I create something, I try to create something that would make people say I wonder how she did that. If you don't have to wonder how it was made, it's not worth buying. The only exception I make to this rule is when I need something right away and it's something that would take longer than a few minutes, like a pretty lace ribbon or really well-extracted bow, but they'd have to be moderately unique and not over-used by other designers. Those types of things are rare to find.
I would have to add that CU can be perceived as "to be used commercially", but some are meant to be "ok if used commercially", which, in my opinion is not at all the same. A product that is created for the prime purpose of being used commercially should be something that is to be a tool (set of brushes, styles, actions, scripts, overlays, etc) and not as likely to be used by a scrapper directly. On the other hand, some products are "ok to use commercially" as they might be elements that a scrapper can use, almost as is (like a frame, a tag, etc.) but COULD be used by a creative designer, in a commercial way in her kit.
Either way, some products are not worth the "CU" label, no matter what definition you use.
LOL I love coming here and while reading some of the inane comments being made, I can only laugh. If you have such an adversion to what is being designed today why do you even bother to complain. Why don't you just go about designing everything yourself. You obviously then wouldn't have to worry about all the CU being used or which designers are using it and you certainly wouldn't have to worry about quality because we all know what you would design would be of the highest quality. If you are designer then you obviously aren't one of the many you are putting down. I mean really........
The only thing I can agree with is that designers aren't making what they use to make in sales because of the amount of designers in the market today and many have left for that reason. Obviously though some must be making enough to satisfy them or would they really stay around and design for peanuts? So why are you so worried what they make. When all is said and done the market will right itself eventually and many more will leave just as many stores are closing their doors. But really this line is getting so old it's beginning to stink. If you can't find something worthwhile to find to discuss lets just go back over how bad designers are these days and continue to beat it to death, beat it to death, beat it to death.
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Shut up bitch. Ill complain about shit designers like you all day if I want. So you say dont complain but then complain yourself? HA, ha haha..Stop being a dripping clit.
http://scraporchard.com/market/product.php?productid=21503
Because really, who doesn't want the word "vaginal" on a scrapbook page? :)
I try to create something that would make people say I wonder how she did that. If you don't have to wonder how it was made, it's not worth buying.
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I don't shop like that and judging by the popularity of designers like Connie Prince, neither do most scrappers. I can make 95% of what I buy, but I don't want to - I want to spend my time scrapping instead of creating - so I buy the kits in colors that I like that have lots of elements I like, regardless of if I can make it myself.
Because really, who doesn't want the word "vaginal" on a scrapbook page? :)
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Oh it's like magnetic poetry!
This Precious Natural Vaginal Moment
Shut up bitch. Ill complain about shit designers like you all day if I want. So you say dont complain but then complain yourself? HA, ha haha..Stop being a dripping clit.
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Lovely. Got this here, and the other at ScrapOrchard. Whoever you are that continually posts that inane crap - I sure hope you enjoy yourself as much as you seem to enjoy typing such oh so shocking words.
Is there anything wrong with basic? There are new scrappers everyday who wouldn't know where to start unless there was some basic stuff out there. What you see in CT LOs are really not what scrappers are scrapping. Quit living in lala land and get real. Most scrappers and not CT Scrappers are scrapping memories not fantasy crap!! Luckily I have CT who like to scrap just plain and normal LOs and many use lots of basic items!
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I'm sorry but Basic Grey sells that very basic items. They can't even compete with someone like Connie Prince. I scrap regular not all that fantasy poser shit so get it straight. I have been on several CT's and I have only done 1 layout for a CT that never made it in one of my books.
I persoanlly like just plain and normal layouts but Basic Grey's stuff looks like the most basic of people could create it!
How about CU for CU. I truly don't get that???
So let me get this straight? You want to use someone else's Commercial use product to create your own Commercial use product? It makes no sense at all. If you cannot come up with a CU product on your own you should not be creating CU.
Because of all the shitty designers out there I only shop at a few stores. I NEVER go to any others since I have already seen there stuff is shitty!
The problem is someone that can't design creates a store because she thinks she will make loads of money. But since all the good designers are selling at established stores she takes anyone she can get, you know the bottom of the barrel designers, begging for a home. Then her store gets a rep for being shitty and they lose their chance of ever having a reputable designer there. So we end up with tons and tons of shitty shitty stores.
Stores I shop at:
Scrap Matters
Scrap Orchard
The Lily Pad
Scrapbook Graphics
Sweet Shoppe Designs
I have about 5 other stores I'll peak into once every couple months. But for the most part it is a waste of my time to look anywhere else.
SOME tools would be ok to use CU4CU, like, for example, a style, a texture, etc. You want to use that fantastic gold style to make a set of fancy photo corners. Or a "string" texture to create a few sets of various color strings. I also think that some designers include blog design as CU so if they make a paper/overlay, then you buy it and can make a blogwear to sell.
But, i am sure the marketability of the product should be considered.
Shut up bitch. Ill complain about shit designers like you all day if I want. So you say dont complain but then complain yourself? HA, ha haha..Stop being a dripping clit.
Well obviously you aren't one of the more normal people considering your language. If that is the only way you can express yourself maybe you need to go back to school. I use to tell my kids that those who have to cuss like you do are just plain ignorant. I'm sure if we knew who you were we'd be just appalled as it seems like those who play nice in the forums are the worst offenders on the slam blogs.
I wouldn't agree that 99% of today's designers are crap. I'd love to know where you people shop, maybe that's the problem.
Is there anything wrong with basic? There are new scrappers everyday who wouldn't know where to start unless there was some basic stuff out there. What you see in CT LOs are really not what scrappers are scrapping. Quit living in lala land and get real. Most scrappers and not CT Scrappers are scrapping memories not fantasy crap!! Luckily I have CT who like to scrap just plain and normal LOs and many use lots of basic items!
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Really? What you see in CT LOs is not what people are scrapping? Maybe you need to quit living in lala land or quit visiting the DST gallery.
BTW, my fantasy crap are memories, just different ones from yours. Not all memories are as obvious as birthday parties and vacations
http://scraporchard.com/market/product.php?productid=21503
Because really, who doesn't want the word "vaginal" on a scrapbook page? :)
January 7, 2011 10:53 AM
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Oh please, a lot of women constantly talk about their birth experiences. I don't like reading them and I don't relive mine. But some women do.
Oh it's like magnetic poetry!
This Precious Natural Vaginal Moment
January 7, 2011 11:36 AM
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LOL.
Is there anything wrong with basic? There are new scrappers everyday who wouldn't know where to start unless there was some basic stuff out there.
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Noting wrong with basic but there are lot of 'basic' and easy to use kits out there made by designers who do it a whole lot better than Basic Grey do.
Lovely. Got this here, and the other at ScrapOrchard. Whoever you are that continually posts that inane crap - I sure hope you enjoy yourself as much as you seem to enjoy typing such oh so shocking words.
January 7, 2011 11:58 AM
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Interesting. I agree with you.
My advice, don't feed the troll.
"Shut up bitch. Ill complain about shit designers like you all day if I want. So you say dont complain but then complain yourself? HA, ha haha..Stop being a dripping clit. "
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If your clit drips then I think you have a problem and need to see a doctor LOL If you're going to type such disgusting things you might at least type something that makes sense! Vagina's may "drip" when excited but if your clit drips you definitely have a problem LOL
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Was it really necessary to feed the troll?
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I meant: I smell jealousy here :)
blogger ate my comment WTF?
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I'd fix that quick smart if I were you as your comment about jealousy right under mine looks very weird.
I know! Sorry about that, I wasn't talking about your comment.
Alright, previously I wrote this:
Anonymous said...
I agree. I also firmly believe that if you're going to call yourself a "commercial use" designer, you need to actually design something. Scanning/photographing and extracting is NOT designing. Rendering a DAZ model in 24 different poses is not designing. Making a square with a hole in it and calling it a tag template is not designing.
Why are you so concerned if people are 'true designers' or 'true artists' or if what they do can qualify as 'designing'? Obviously, they do what they do, they sell a lot or just enough to be satisfied and will keep doing it. I smell jealousy here. :)
Graphic artist and web designers all use what we would call 'CU' but they don't call it that - they are just design resources. Search free brushes or free textures and you will see whole communities of people sharing (often free) resources to be used commercially. They even teach it in design school - to use other resources to save time. It doesn't necessarily mean you don't know how to make them yourself, it just means you are saving time. The problem isn't using resources, the problem is the lack of creativity/skill being put into the use of them.
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Exactly!
I smell jealousy here. :)
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OMG you're SO right, I'm just glowing green with envy.
What?
My opinion isn't concern, it's an opinion. You know, those things people form with their thoughts when they observe stuff. Why do people like to inject jealousy as their opinion of someone else's? Is it because you can't form any better opinion of your own?
My opinion of what digi designers do to qualify themselves as designers spans to any other profession. I wouldn't consider anyone a doctor because they sport a white lab coat and can take a temperature. I don't consider someone a digital scrapbook designer because they sport a copy of Photoshop and call a square with a hole in it a template. If we had more designers creating unique, original and quality stuff, the level of animosity probably wouldn't diminish between designers but it would certainly up the quality of what's out there. The market will sort itself out by how the customers spend, so opinions hardly matter but...
That's my personal opinion. No one says you have to agree and you are free to form your own opinions all you want. If your opinion is that I'm jealous, well, good for you, then. I get that this is a smack blog and although I do see some intelligent conversation happen every now and then, the "dripping clit" and "you're so jealous" types of comments are much more typical of how conversations go around here.
ding ding ding...we have another winner of the "I'm giving the kits away so it's okay to infringe on copyright" award!
http://friendlyscrap.blogspot.com/search/label/cartoon%20free%20kit
Too bad this "designer" feels the need to use those copyrighted images. She has some interesting OTHER stuff on her blog that does not seem half bad.
Yes! Another copyright infringement rant for Disney! They should really hire you ladies!
How is what she doing any different than this??
http://www.disney-clipart.com/
http://clipart.disneysites.com/
http://freedisneyclipartsite.com/
These sites have existed for YEARS! Disney has never went after them. Why?? because it is free advertisement for them. and it doesn't cut into anything they sell. I have contacted them in doing digital scrapbooking kits and they aren't interested.
LOL right from the front page of the last site you listed:
"All free disney clipart on this site has been gathered from the public domain to the best of our knowledge."
I agree that going after and reporting this type of thing is futile because I'm sure Disney knows all about it but it's funny they claim such a thing. At the very least, someone needs to give them some learnin' on what the public domain is and that anything Disney ISN'T in it. LOL
Not more Disney copyright crap. It's become like a broken record. It's the same thing over and over.
Ding Ding Ding. I have an idea leave your comments on their blogs instead on this one because the Disney Copyright issue is getting REALLY OLD! Who cares if Disney doesn't. I mean really do you care that much that that is all you have to talk about?
My, my, my. How things have changed. You all tore several designers apart not too long ago for doing Disney inspired kits, now all of a sudden, no one cares. Interesting.
LMAO ... Enchanted Studio Craps is doing a Blog Train - top quality stuff there! While some look okay, there is just so much crud.
Maybe someone should start a Disney Piracy blog. Then you can all share your OMG PIRATE stories to your heart's content.
My, my, my. How things have changed. You all tore several designers apart not too long ago for doing Disney inspired kits, now all of a sudden, no one cares. Interesting.
January 10, 2011 12:18 PM
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No I didn't. I didn't care then, I don't care now.
Sorry for the interuption ladies...really quick, can you tell me who has awesome ribbon/bows? Not the shiny kind. Gingham might be nice and while its for a personal page cu would be fine too. Thanks...sorry again for interupting your convo.
Sorry for the interuption ladies...really quick, can you tell me who has awesome ribbon/bows? Not the shiny kind. Gingham might be nice and while its for a personal page cu would be fine too. Thanks...sorry again for interupting your convo.
I think RachelScraps has the best bows and ribbons
http://rachaelsscrapstore.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=8
What's up with the change of administration at DSA?
Dunno, don't go there.
Didn't they change about a year or so ago?
I think RachelScraps has the best bows and ribbons
http://rachaelsscrapstore.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=8
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I don't get the fascination there. Real bows are not flattened at the corners.
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They are if they are in a scrapbook and not all the bows are flattened. Not to mention, that no one said they were 'fascinated' and there was no raving about them either. Me thinks you are a bit of a dick actually.
I think RachelScraps has the best bows and ribbons
http://rachaelsscrapstore.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=8
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I don't get the fascination there. Real bows are not flattened at the corners.
Well I certainly don't see flattened corners here do you?
http://rachaelsscrapstore.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8&products_id=697
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