Why would anyone be fighting to use that CU crap? sheesh. There's better stuff out there! Someone really paid $10 for that?
January 19, 2011 9:12 AM
^^^^^^ I wouldn't even take that awful CU even if it was a freebie!! just the look of their blogs/stores is enough to make me reach for the hurl bucket. I had to take a couple of panadol and have a lie down to recover from the ordeal.
Could we have a "warning this site may cause headaches, nausea and impaired vision enter at own risk"
The preview may not be the greatest but Ake's products are excellent quality and those items in question look great on layouts. They are accents. You wouldn't put 10 on a layout but a couple look great.
http://mommyandwife2011.blogspot.com/2011/01/stripe-overlay-01.html ---- How I wish this girl and all the so-called-designers like her would stop making such fools of themselves. SERIOUSLY! Come on, how difficult is it to make a few straight lines? Also, I looked at her preview online here
The textures are horrid, the patterns boring and that red..? WOW.
And here's a comment that she posted on her own blog -
"I have fixed all what needed to be fix. I will research "Gamut" to learn about it. I have not printed anything out just yet. Once we get a little extra money I will make a layout and print it. :D ?"
Really? She hasn't so much as printed a layout or one thing she has designed yet? That just might do the trick to getting her to see how either bad of a designer she really is or that she is seriously overdue for an eye exam. I haven't seen one layout she has made with her own kit. Has anyone?
To the anon commentator on the Mommy & Wife blog, was it really necessary to let her know she was being smacked? You could have said what you needed to say without telling her about the smack. Really, there was just no need for it, no need at all.
I posted "nicely" on one of the now missing CU items she had up there. I asked if the items were only 72ppi like one of the others because to be of any use to scrapbookers it needed to be 300ppi. She didn't approve my comment I guess because I can't see it but since I made it she has changed things to 300ppi. Even still, the quality isn't too good. And as for Joanne's stuff........ blech! It is so obviously PSP stuff. I don't mean to insult those who use PSP to it's full ability but some things made in PSP are just so awful. They look fake/plastic-like a lot of the time.
^^^^^ I agree about PSP items looking fake (I am a PS user), but hey look at the scrap kits with all those extracted images of flowers and ribbons and sofas and cats and whatever... Those too give PS users a bad name. PSP users always say that everything they make is designed from scratch.
PS or PSP users, a lot of items can and are just bleh. Using a program to draw, and using it to create knowing the potential of all the tools and effects of a program are two different things. Many PS users will just use filters to add effects. Not much better. However, some designers (with BOTH PS and PSP) can show creative use of their tools and display their skills. I have seen lame scripts for PSP, and lame actions for PS. Too many people think that knowing the basic tools make you skilled enough to design for distribution. That is sad and will give bad name to many others.
Comments added on the Mommy & Wife blog. I think it would have been just as effective to email her those comments. Nobody really likes or needs a "public" criticism, even if constructive.
Another script that is... hum... useful??? http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/new-digital-products-33/fuzzy-standing-bunny-psp-script-266672/#post2749496
I suppose it would be silly to say that I don't think there are currently many designers out there who are making even $1500 a month any longer. Times they are a changing-too many designers, too much product=less money for those who use to make good money and add in a stinking economy and that's is why stores are starting to close and designers who were top designers have left the building. You'll start to see more designers leaving unless they aren't in it for the money and if a store goes down for any length of time the customer base has probably flown the coop. I think many are finding it less and less fulfilling to design in this kind of market but stay in hopes that things will finally turn around. Don't hold your breath-maybe 5 years down the road you'll see a different market or maybe there will no longer be a market at all.
Comments added on the Mommy & Wife blog. I think it would have been just as effective to email her those comments. Nobody really likes or needs a "public" criticism, even if constructive.
January 20, 2011 7:18 AM
She didn't have to approve them. Her comments are set up to not be posted until approved. That's similar to email. And I know some like to stay anon because she could be a pyscho and not take even constructive criticism.
I think it's mean that people sent messages that weren't helpful. If you don't like it, fine. But seriously be constructive and helpful and not so hateful!!!
She's new. Almost every designer makes crappy kits at first.
http://www.twopeasinabucket.com/shop/hero-arts/104739-digikit-ha-hero-winter-papers/?filters=digital-kits ------------ I can't believe my eyes! $8 for these and they have no texture or anything. They are only backfilled with color? Am I wrong or do my eyes deceive me? $24 if I want to use backfilled digital papers commercially? If that's making them money then I want in too. LOL
======= That is unreal. I certainly wouldn't be paying $2.45 for them..even if I was blind and didnt know what I was getting. WOW ------------- So many of those script are, at the most, "one-time-use". Wow, you can choose the color of the fur and the eyes. I guess, maybe, i can use some rainbow color bunnies! one green, one blue, one yellow, one pink... How much should i sell a kit with 12 different color bunnies?
You can find "basic" actions too. Check this one: http://www.digishoptalk.com/products/showphoto.php?photo=80955 How many colors can you choose for a penguin?
I suppose it would be silly to say that I don't think there are currently many designers out there who are making even $1500 a month any longer.
^^^^^^^
Don't know why that's silly. I was thinking the same thing. I'm sure there are some designers making that much consistently month after month. But all of the designers in the 7 stores she listed as top tier making more than $1500 EVERY month? I doubt it.
I still cannot imagine "designers" like this actually exist. Here is her blog site...
http://designzbylou.blogspot.com/
and here's a designer call she had. Not sure any "posers" applied unless they were tripping over each other to get a spot in her shop and she was so overwhelmed that she has yet to decide.
Aren't "posers" people who represent someone they are not? I'm too lazy too look up the real definition right now but I think that's what it means. At least she got something right.
There are a few different definitions of Poser on the Urban Dictionary website. However in the digital world, Poser is a software that creates 3d figures and animation.
Why dont they just rename this store to "scanforyou"? I'm curious if they have the rights to sell the works of all the items they have listed, unless of course I'm wrong and they have indeed some super artists that sit and create this stuff by hand then scan it. Possible? I've never seen so much cu crap in one place. Holy shit! They are scanners, not designers.
There are a few different definitions of Poser on the Urban Dictionary website. However in the digital world, Poser is a software that creates 3d figures and animation. ^^^^^^^^ Whatever they are it's all nasty.
I think it's mean that people sent messages that weren't helpful. If you don't like it, fine. But seriously be constructive and helpful and not so hateful!!! ------
Who sent messages that weren't helpful? And mean? C'mon, what are you, in kindergarten?
and here's a designer call she had. Not sure any "posers" applied unless they were tripping over each other to get a spot in her shop and she was so overwhelmed that she has yet to decide.
Well, whatever your opinion, she has 15 designers at her site. Not everyone is into extractions and doodles and the general stuff that's around in the scrap world. the 3D market is HUGE, much bigger than the digi scrap market.
and here's a designer call she had. Not sure any "posers" applied unless they were tripping over each other to get a spot in her shop and she was so overwhelmed that she has yet to decide. Is that stuff that you can use in The Sims games?
Well, whatever your opinion, she has 15 designers at her site. Not everyone is into extractions and doodles and the general stuff that's around in the scrap world. the 3D market is HUGE, much bigger than the digi scrap market."
Well, whatever your opinion, she has 15 designers at her site. Not everyone is into extractions and doodles and the general stuff that's around in the scrap world. the 3D market is HUGE, much bigger than the digi scrap market. -------- I stand corrected. She has at least 15 of the worst designers I have EVER seen. I guess she had a call for anyone who thought they had a cell of artistic in them. I would much rather watch paint dry than so much as look at this shit. Now don't tell me..you're going to claim these are the top tier designers making $1,500 a day LOL
Well, whatever your opinion, she has 15 designers at her site. Not everyone is into extractions and doodles and the general stuff that's around in the scrap world. the 3D market is HUGE, much bigger than the digi scrap market. -------- I stand corrected. She has at least 15 of the worst designers I have EVER seen. I guess she had a call for anyone who thought they had a cell of artistic in them. I would much rather watch paint dry than so much as look at this shit. Now don't tell me..you're going to claim these are the top tier designers making $1,500 a day LOL ^^^^^^ And she must be one of those shit designers comming to their defense. Not another half decent designer or scrapper would so its a dead giveaway.
Really? And you base your opinion on what? Your limited view of the world, right, gotcha.
Did you really need to post 3 times, within one minute of each post, trying to seem like 3 different people agreeing together as a group? Oh too funny. I'm not too transparent now am I if I could pick that up? Go away troll shit "designer". Your store sucks, your designs suck ass and you are not the brightest star in the sky. C'ya.
I really don't get the whole poser thing. Those ugly 3d dolls are creepy and weird. I cannot for the life of me work out why anyone would want to use them.
I wasn't trying to look like three different people, idiot. And I'm not part of the store.
You really are a moron, aren't you?
The world is so much bigger than you think, it really is.
January 21, 2011 12:34 AM
^^^^^^^ I have to agree that you're losing your battle here. I think she/he is right - only a design team member would come running to the side of such hideous work. Go back to perfecting your 3d poser dolls sweetie.
Some serious holier-than-thou attitudes on this blog, I see.
Try thinking outside your smothered, tiny scrapbooking boxes for just a moment. The world is MUCH larger than you could imagine and if you can stop being scared for a fraction of your sad, protected life, you'll see it can be quite fun. I'll let you in on a little secret:
Ready?
Don't cover your eyes, it won't be that bad, I promise.
***Not everyone who uses digital images creates digital scrapbook pages!***
*GASP* NO! Can it really be so? Yep, really.
I mean, I know it may sound just terrifying to you, sitting there in your protected little world, but some people actually have different tastes than you.
I hope you don't have nightmares tonight. I know it sounds so frightening but it'll all be okay. There are many, many vanilla scrap stores out there for you to choose from, so a few Poser stores really should have no effect on your life after you read this post, so go get your bottle of Valium and go back to sleep. When you wake up, you can brush it off as a bad dream and go scrap your Precious taking a poop and surround him some pretty bows extracted just for you.
I really don't get the whole poser thing. Those ugly 3d dolls are creepy and weird. I cannot for the life of me work out why anyone would want to use them. _______________________ I really don't get the whole scrapbook thing. Those ugly pages containing tiny pictures of some kid doing some stupid thing that no one cares about are creepy and weird. I cannot for the life of me work out why anyone would want to do that to their child.
Just like everything else, you have good products and bad products. I have seen some nice looking Poser figures, and lots of ugly ones too. We dont need a blanket statement that ALL Poser products are bad, just like we cannot say that all digiscrap kits, or scripts, or button sets are bad because we found some ugly ones. In addition, what one person likes or dislikes is probably different than what the next person likes or dislikes. I hope the designers who do those things get the hint though: if they sell, fine. If they dont, move onto something else.
LOLOL...Joelle is a top designer? Really. Thats why she is leaving her shop, and setting up her own. People in the scrapbook industry don't buy her stuff....poser people do.
^^^^ I would not be surprised. At least she can draw and paint on her own, and wont need a ton of recolored CU elements to create her kits. She is a DESIGNER, not a "packager". I dont buy from her because her style is more fantasy and i dont do that style, but her stuff does look great nevertheless.
Most of you don't know that drawing, for example a fox, is totally different that taking a photo of a fox and applying a PS style with a drawing effect. I don't like the above mentioned designer's style, much too fantasy for me. But I can tell you she isn't less of a "packager" than others, she is just also a "style adder".
As far as i know, Joelle is a PSP user (only recently started using PS) so i doubt adding STYLES is her usual way of drawing. And if she uses any tool creatively, good for her.
Maybe there should be a daily list extracted from the Product gallery of "The good, the bad, and the ugly".
OH please there is enough garbage on this blot as is. Since everyone has different tastes this certainly would be a waste of time. There is a lot of good stuff out there as well as crap. I can make up my own mind when I see somthing. I don't need to have something pointed out to me with someone else's opinion.
Ok, I'm sure I'll get thrashed for this, but sometimes I get annoyed with the way this business is.... CT people work for hours, sometimes days on layouts, blogging, (now MANAGEMENT teams!!!!) promoting and placing product for designers, and they get free kits? I know a lot of scrappers don't have much money, so they CT just to get the kits. But it seems it's such a win-win for the designers, and win-lose for the CT members.... I work in a professional design business, and I get paid in real money for what I do. I don't think I'd do what I do (I'm a toy designer) just to get free toys. I honestly feel that it's wrong to put together an entire team of 'help' to promote a business, and not pay them. (Sorry, but in my mind 'paying' in free kits isn't paying. The download costs the designer nothing... it's not like 'real stuff' where the product comes out of inventory). Am I the only one bugged by this?
I apologize if I offend anyone by this, but I just don't get it. If you can explain it so I can understand it, great. Otherwise, I'm totally stumped. And annoyed.
I'm annoyed that she's annoyed. She doesn't even use kits. Why does she think it's any of her business to comment on our business?
I'm annoyed that she's annoyed. She doesn't even use kits. Why does she think it's any of her business to comment on our business? ------- She is entitled to have an opinion even if she is not using kits. Afterall, she is using the forum, she is posting threads, she has every right to voice an opinion. She is not saying her opinion is the only one or the right one. She states clearly that it is an opinion. I am a designer, and I tend to agree with her on most of her comments. So if you disagree, either you post your opinion on that thread, or you don't say anything.
How do you know she doesn't use kits? I'm guessing she does or, to be frank, I don't think she'd be getting involved in a discussion about scrapbooking.
What she doesn't understand is that this is mainly a "hobbyist" business so it's not like designing for a corporate entity who has the funds to pay. A good 90% of the designers out there don't make enough to cover minimum wage for making the kits and if you factor in out of pocket expenses for resources, computer, software then that probably plummets far lower than 90%. Hence paying "in kind" for services rendered for promotional materials and services. Can you imagine how high prices would have to be for kits if CT were to be paid even minimum wage :0| Then the kits wouldn't sell too many copies because people would have to be more discerning with their cash when paying $20 upwards for each kit so it would probably pay the designer even less than the current $5 - $8 kit does.
^^^^^^^ And you'd be wrong. You can scrapbook without using kits. The art of scrapbooking existed loooong before the availability of commercial kits. I'm just going to assume that you don't have imagination or creativity enough to create a layout without commercial product being used.
And frankly, for some of the stuff designers want their CT to do...being paid "in kind" really cuts it. The time it takes compared to how much an average kit costs and you're saying someone's time is only worth a dollar or so an hour. I don't making layouts for a designer but when they want me to pimp and do all their marketing - that's a bit much.
I agree with her but hey, if someone doesn't want to be on a CT team unless they get paid cash, then that's their business. If they don't care if all they get are kits, that's their business too. I think the concept of a CT team is great but for some designers, I believe they have gone way too far with their requirements but that's just my opinion.
I have to agree that you're losing your battle here. I think she/he is right - only a design team member would come running to the side of such hideous work. Go back to perfecting your 3d poser dolls sweetie.
January 21, 2011 4:55 AM ----
Well, you can think what you want, but you would be wrong. But I guess you should be used to that by now, shouldn't you? Spending so much of your time making assumptions must make you constantly look like an ass.
Well thank you! I intensely dislike the last one, it's horrible in all aspects. The first two are okay, but nothing outstanding. It looks like so much of the other scrap kits out there.
How do you know she doesn't use kits? I'm guessing she does or, to be frank, I don't think she'd be getting involved in a discussion about scrapbooking. --------
if someone doesn't want to be on a CT team unless they get paid cash, then that's their business. If they don't care if all they get are kits, that's their business too. I think the concept of a CT team is great but for some designers, I believe they have gone way too far with their requirements but that's just my opinion.
January 21, 2011 4:43 PM
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I agree with you, but not with her. CTMs, on the whole, are grown women making their own choices.
Back up a few years and I think you'll find most CT's signed up simply to get free kits to scrap "what they would be scrapping anyway" - the bonus being that they got their supplies free. I'm on a CT and I still scrap that way. I request kits that suit my photos and scrapping style and probably would have purchased those kits if I wasn't on at CT. I don't use stock photos. All layouts I do with the "free" kits are all personal and are printed out and put into albums, made into gifts for family etc. I CHOOSE the kits I want to work with just as if I was actually shopping and paying for them. If I was "told" which kits I had to scrap with I'd quit ct'ing.
Fast forward to recent times. A LOT of layouts created by CT's are NOT "personal". They use stock photos and are "pumped out" just for the sake of advertising. I enjoy reading "real" journaling and seeing "real" family events etc. I'll gladly post praise on a "personal" layout I find appealing for either the journaling or the overall look of the page but I won't comment on layouts with stock photos.
Not regularly releasing kits or going months without a new release would be one example. And many will say they design for "fun" and don't really care if they make money. Sounds like a hobby to me!
When you wake up, you can brush it off as a bad dream and go scrap your Precious taking a poop and surround him some pretty bows extracted just for you. ----------------------------------------
Oh my didn't I touch a nerve, and so what exactly do you use the poser dolls for? I really don't see what on earth you would use them for?? Apart from them being butt ugly is there any other use for them? Maybe butt ugly signature tags I suppose.
Just like everything else, you have good products and bad products. I have seen some nice looking Poser figures, and lots of ugly ones too. We dont need a blanket statement that ALL Poser products are bad, just like we cannot say that all digiscrap kits, or scripts, or button sets are bad because we found some ugly ones. ----------------------------------
Oh really, show me a nice one then, I have yet to see one. All the ones I have seen are fake looking weird and creepy, some of course are better than others but they are ALL creepy.
Why did you say that? Give me an example of what designers do to treat their business like a hobby, please.
January 21, 2011 6:50 PM --------
Non paid CTMs Minimal advertising Attendance in multiple forums Regularly giving product away (the Happy Place and similar) More than two stores Etc etc
Oh my didn't I touch a nerve, and so what exactly do you use the poser dolls for? I really don't see what on earth you would use them for?? Apart from them being butt ugly is there any other use for them? Maybe butt ugly signature tags I suppose.
January 21, 2011 9:11 PM -------
Well, when you graduate high school, I'll tell you. I'm not sure you will get it then, as you seem so set in your ideas. This is not good thing. You'll get along much better in the world wen you learn to compromise and see other viewpoints.
How do you know she doesn't use kits? I'm guessing she does or, to be frank, I don't think she'd be getting involved in a discussion about scrapbooking. ^^^^^^^^^^^^
obviously you havnt taken a look in her gallery. No hint of kit anywhere. I did a CT stint back 3yrs ago didnt have to pimp all over the place , got kits that I liked to scrap personal pgs for. Now its like the designers want the CT teams to be there Advertisment Agencies.Must post x , post enable, play prasie games , have twitter, have fb, etc .. takes all the fun out of it. I refuse to be told that I have to pay fake praise to get the word out on kits. Or pimp to family and freinds on FB Some designers not all mind you seem to think that they need 15 CT members? IMO if every designer only had to 2ct then there would be more sales done as opposed to giving it away. May be then we wouldnt be hearing designers bleating about the lack of $. I have never made a purchase based on a CT layout, nor have I ever viewed the enable threads. I did do ISO but got lots of pimping of kits that were not what was requested. Annoying.
So, you've seen every single poser product out there, have you? Wow, I'm impressed.
January 22, 2011 12:04 AM ---------------------------- Did I say that? No, what I said was why don't you show me a nice one! There is a challenge for you. If you can show me a nice one I will admit that not all poser dolls are ugly.
No one has told me what you use them for yet either...
Yes they have, 3D work. It was posted before you asked your question.
I personally like the dark and gothic and somewhat creepy, and that's before all that vampire crap became popular, so don't think it's because I'm into a trend, I'm not. I'm not really into cute and 'nice'. So, I can't show you what I think is a 'nice' poser doll, because you might think it's creepy or ugly. See the dilemma? But, I will try, so watch this space, or blog, whatever :)
IMO if every designer only had to 2ct then there would be more sales done as opposed to giving it away. May be then we wouldnt be hearing designers bleating about the lack of $. I have never made a purchase based on a CT layout, nor have I ever viewed the enable threads. I did do ISO but got lots of pimping of kits that were not what was requested. Annoying.
January 22, 2011 1:54 AM
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Agreed. Way back in the day when I was still designing, before 20 CTMs were the norm, I dumped my whole 5 CTMs and ended up with more sales than before.
I'm CTing at the moment for two designers, both of whom ask me to post my LOs at DST, but I don't see the point. I don't want to play the praise game and I know the LOs will get mostly overlooked otherwise. I have told them, but ...
Yes they have, 3D work. It was posted before you asked your question. ---------------------------------------- oooohhh, 3D work, yes that explains it NOT! Isn't that was posers supposedly are? The only usable thing I can think of is computer games, but something tells me that is not what they are being used for. 3D work? What kind of 3D work, something to hang on the wall?
I am afraid '3D work' is not an explanation. What do you do with the 3D work?
So, I can't show you what I think is a 'nice' poser doll, because you might think it's creepy or ugly. -------------------------------------
Hmm I am just thinking you are making excuses and that you can't think of any 'nice' poser dolls. In my opinion the cute posers are creepier than the goth ones!
I'm so curious as to what your obsession with bashing Poser items is? There are many, many things to do with Poser and 3D art other than scrapbooking and tags. MANY. You want to know...Google is your friend. NO one has to validate their art to anyone but themselves and if you have a problem with it, well.....that's your problem.
Let's take a little test, shall we? This image..is it a real photo or is it 3D art?
If you haven't figured out that it's not a real photo, then I've proved my point that your boxed up world is very small and your brain is even smaller.
^that would be all fine and good if the digi scrapbook designers where THAT good. They aren't. They look like little trashy sluts whenever I see them use the dolls or really unrealistic elements. Nothing like that picture. I'm not about to put that trash on a page with my kids.
And you provide no proof that that isn't an actual picture.
LOL okay. *sigh* I really don't know why I'm bothering with this idiotic conversation but I'll play along one more time.
http://umutakay.cgsociety.org/gallery/721827/
Artist's comment: "1950's American kitchen. Personal project to improve my 3DMax skills. Modelled in my free times, I do not know how long did it take to finalize it. A few of the objects in the scene are ready-made, which I found on the internet (such as dishes in the cupboard and over the stove). Original image is 4000x2800 px, which took about 5 hours of Vray render."
Whether it's a simple Poser model or a fancy full-blown model of a kitchen, this has no bearing on the fact that YOU are the one with the issue and YOUR opinion means absolutely nothing to anyone but you. But keep on pointing out how ugly these images are because the only disgusting thing I see here are your comments.
Why did you say that? Give me an example of what designers do to treat their business like a hobby, please.
January 21, 2011 6:50 PM --------
Non paid CTMs Minimal advertising Attendance in multiple forums Regularly giving product away (the Happy Place and similar) More than two stores Etc etc January 22, 2011 12:06 AM --------
How is selling in more than two stores "hobbyist" behavior? Do you have any idea how much work goes into maintaining a shop in more than one store?
I am afraid '3D work' is not an explanation. What do you do with the 3D work? __________ What do you do with an extracted image of a "______"? An extracted image of a bow, flower, button, etcetera is nothing more than a 2D representation of a 3-dimensional object, just like all 3D rendered images. Did you not realize this? Apparently, you did not.
No need to be so rude. You didn't really answer her question either. Why don't you be a nicer person and give her some examples of how people use posers (apart from scrapbooking) instead of being bitchy about it?
I'm CTing at the moment for two designers, both of whom ask me to post my LOs at DST, but I don't see the point. I don't want to play the praise game and I know the LOs will get mostly overlooked otherwise. I have told them, but ...
-------- If you joined their CT knowing you had to post at DST, then you should just do it. You knew what you had to do before you signed on.
That said, I am not active at DST's forums, but I do post in their layout gallery. I usually have 30-40 views on my LOs and even get comments. Since I'm not one of the "in crowd," I'd say there are people looking at all the LOs, not just their friends'. Either you're posting and just getting buried, or they may not be what people are looking for...
Either way, what else would you do in that 1-2 mins it takes to upload and copy and paste link information? Seriously...
Since I'm just catching up on the latest whiny "why are people so snooty" gossip between Shilo and LB...
Normally I'm the first person on the bash LB bandwagon. She was a snooty bitch years ago before anyone even knew who she was. So, it's difficult for me to actually feel bad for her, but I kind of do.
What kind of friend (Shilo) actually posts that crap in a fairly public place when everyone knows to whom she is referring (LB)? That's a horrible thing to do. I'd say just based on that particular behavior, I wouldn't want Shilo as a friend, either.
And I do agree with one of the previous posters... Shilo is probably just pissed they're not being bitches together anymore.
All those designers who gave her pity and "you're awesome" responses are total idiots.
What kind of friend (Shilo) actually posts that crap in a fairly public place when everyone knows to whom she is referring (LB)? That's a horrible thing to do. I'd say just based on that particular behavior, I wouldn't want Shilo as a friend, either.
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WTH are you talking about? I didn't see a post from Shilo...
I am the original person who asked what you use the posers for.
I agree with some of the others, the kitchen is awesome but that is beside the point. I asked about what you use the posers for, not kitchens. I didn't say I have not seen one nice kitchen, I said I have not seen one nice poser doll.
You still haven't proven anything. To me they ALL look creepy and weird, show me one that doesn't! I don't get what people use them for, so my question remains.
Non paid CTMs Minimal advertising Attendance in multiple forums Regularly giving product away (the Happy Place and similar) More than two stores Etc etc January 22, 2011 12:06 AM --------
How is selling in more than two stores "hobbyist" behavior? Do you have any idea how much work goes into maintaining a shop in more than one store?
I didn't think so. -------
So, you pick one thing on the list and validate your argument? How funny. As to you question, yes, I do know what it's like selling in more than one store and it's not hard work at all.
And you provide no proof that that isn't an actual picture.
January 22, 2011 7:21 AM -----
Honey, if you can't see that it's 3D work, then I feel sorry for you. It's obviously not a picture. However, the fact that you can't really see it, proves the point of 3D work, doesn't it?
^that would be all fine and good if the digi scrapbook designers where THAT good. They aren't. They look like little trashy sluts whenever I see them use the dolls or really unrealistic elements. Nothing like that picture. I'm not about to put that trash on a page with my kids.
It was a thread in the designers section at DST, called something like "Why designers change after making it big" - DST closed it. Shilo was referring to Laura Banasiak in it. I'll see if I can find it and link you up.
Either you're posting and just getting buried, or they may not be what people are looking for... --------
It's not the market for the people I'm CTing for. So exactly right, it's not what the average person is looking for, it's not cute kids etc. I haven't found the right gallery yet, but I know for damn sure it isn't DST.
You still haven't proven anything. To me they ALL look creepy and weird, show me one that doesn't! I don't get what people use them for, so my question remains.
January 22, 2011 5:46 PM
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Look, let's be honest here, you are never going to get it. You already have your views and they are not going to change. If you are that curious, go and do your own research. Not being nasty, just tired of the topic.
Yeah those are pretty but I bet none of the poser dolls sold by scrapbook stores look that good. Those look more than portraits and are a far cry from the crappy poser dolls sold in scrapbook/tagger stores.
I would copy and paste it, but its like 7 pages long. The long and short - Shilo made some comments on a thread by Ocean Wide Designs...that CT fiasco last week. Laura Banasiak commented, and OWD had a hissy fit, because she felt LB's remark was uncalled for. It was a fine comment on the situation - and people here on the smack blog have agreed even, that LB didn't really say anything out of line. That thread died down. NEXT day - Shilo starts that thread....about designers who "make it" and their attitude changes....and while she never specifically mentions LB - its very apparent its all about her. She gets all these designers coming in saying, "oh gee, sorry that someone is treating you that way" blah blah blah, from Connie Prince and IBDD to Jayaprem...you name it. Poor poor Shilo.
Previously to that thread she had posted one about how she only made $10 during her grand opening sale. That was Dec. 1st. Since then, she was at SDD, where she only made the $10, added IL, and now closed after one month at SDD, and went to zigzag.
Her and Ocean Wide Designs, who is also a big old pal of COLS (go figure) should start a ScrapBitches club. all they do is whine, complain....and its always poor mistreated them.
which reminds me. COLS is in the Stuff to Scrap designer contest, that she got kicked out of last year in the first round. She's over there being little miss know it all , God its so pathetic.
So, you pick one thing on the list and validate your argument? How funny. As to you question, yes, I do know what it's like selling in more than one store and it's not hard work at all. January 22, 2011 5:46 PM ---------------- Probably because you are one of the many multi-store designers who dumps their product and runs away, not taking the time to be involved with the team and in the forum. It's plenty easy, then. And yes, I did pull one thing out of your list because I strongly disagree that it should be included in a list of "hobbyist designer" behaviors. Most people with multiple stores are trying to earn a bigger income. Not really the activity of a hobbyist designer. The fact that you put that on your list made absolutely no sense to me. Still doesn't.
Probably because you are one of the many multi-store designers who dumps their product and runs away, not taking the time to be involved with the team and in the forum. It's plenty easy, then. -----
Most people with multiple stores are trying to earn a bigger income. Not really the activity of a hobbyist designer. The fact that you put that on your list made absolutely no sense to me. Still doesn't.
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And that's why you are a hobbyist, and not a business person. Spreading yourself too thin by setting up multiple stores does not bring in a bigger income. Concentrating on the one or two business interests you have, and building on them, that makes for a bigger income.
I don't get what people use them for, so my question remains. _________________ No one cares what you don't "get." There's nothing for you to "get." Therefore, your question does not require an answer, unless you wish to find one for yourself. Have at it.
What a bitch you are! Why can't someone ask a question about something they are unsure of? Who are you to decide if she needs to know or not? Crawl back down the sewer you crawled out of.
You really want to know why someone would use a poser figure?
The reason someone may use poser images is for the same reason someone else makes a nice 3D kitchen or that someone else prefers digital scrapbooking or why someone else would rather use physical paper products to scrap their pages or better yet, why someone else knits or crochets pot holders or paints or sings or plays the violin.
BECAUSE THEY ENJOY IT.
If that's not a good enough answer for you then there is truly nothing else to say on the subject.
10:18 You still aren't answering a legitimate question asked by someone who wanted to understand HOW posers are used. Are they used for artwork to hang on a wall, tagging, posters?? If you can't come up with something that people actually USE the posers in then you should shut your rude mouth and be done with it.
What a bitch you are! Why can't someone ask a question about something they are unsure of? Who are you to decide if she needs to know or not? Crawl back down the sewer you crawled out of.
Are they used for artwork to hang on a wall, tagging, posters?? If you can't come up with something that people actually USE the posers in then you should shut your rude mouth and be done with it.
January 22, 2011 10:25 PM
-------- yes, yes, and yes, and so much more. Telling people to shut up is pretty rude too.
See how easy it was! If someone had just given a few examples of how posers are used in the first place it would have been nice. There was no need for any of the snarky replies to her question.
My telling her to shut her rude mouth was nowhere near as nasty as the way she was treating someone who simply asked a question.
Most people with multiple stores are trying to earn a bigger income. Not really the activity of a hobbyist designer. The fact that you put that on your list made absolutely no sense to me. Still doesn't.
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And that's why you are a hobbyist, and not a business person. Spreading yourself too thin by setting up multiple stores does not bring in a bigger income. Concentrating on the one or two business interests you have, and building on them, that makes for a bigger income. January 22, 2011 10:03 PM ------------------- First of all, who said anything about me personally? How do you even know I'm a designer, and if I am, how do you know how many stores I'm in? I guess you're into making assumptions, huh? I happen to think designers who sell in multiple stores are smart if they do it well, maintain a good relationship with each store's team and customer base and don't take on more than they can handle. But "what" each person can handle is solely determined by them, their schedule, their obligations outside of work, etc. It's certainly not up to you to determine whether they are a "real" business-person or a hobbyist. As if you make all the rules and only your opinion matters. Hahaha! pretty funny, actually. Always amazed at how certain people who post here must think the world revolves according to their opinion, and their opinion alone.
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Oh, I forgot to address this, like you made the assumption that I was a designer who dumped product and ran? You did make that assumption, didn't you? Your hypocrisy is showing.
As if you make all the rules and only your opinion matters. Hahaha! pretty funny, actually. Always amazed at how certain people who post here must think the world revolves according to their opinion, and their opinion alone.
Whats with CT people these days, if your going to introduce yourself as a CREATIVE member shouldnt you be ABLE to have your OWN creativity?? I could understand it if you were burnt out after yrs of doing it. And what the hell did the designer see in her if she cant even do a layout without requesting help. She's meant to be showing us mere scrappers how its done.... I just reckon the desingers are wasting customers by making them CT...
Are they used for artwork to hang on a wall, tagging, posters?? If you can't come up with something that people actually USE the posers in then you should shut your rude mouth and be done with it. _________________ What the fuck is your problem with Poser and why the fuck do you care what people use them for? Seriously. That's MY question and if you can't come up with a legitimate reason why anyone should care what you think or why you are so persistent that we tell you what we use them for, then you should shut YOUR smug fucking mouth.
I'm not the OP. I care because they keep advertising their crap at DST and I don't want to look at it. I don't think they belong in the "scrapbooking" community because I don't think I've seen a scrapbook page using one of the poser dolls. I would say we aren't interested as a whole. So the question is more about HOW are they used on scrapbook pages? Is there even a demand for the product in the digital scrapbooking industry?
I use Poser frequently for making complete images that are either a standalone piece or used in place of a photo on a layout that is about a feeling rather than a particular event.
I also use rendered poser props - flowers, arcitectural elements, etc.. for embellishments on pages. I have used heavily postworked figures as embellishments but on more fnatasy pages where a fairy or two enhances the effect I'm after.
No, I can't link you up because I don't post to online galleries.
Neither do I create kits for sale of any type.
I can see both sides of this disagreement.
Yes, Poser pieces can be incorporated into digital scrapbooking layouts.
Yes, a high percentage of the Poser pieces available for sale aren't particularily good - poor lighting is the main culprit.
I also assume that most of the poser figure pngs for sale are aimed at the tagger market rather than the scrapbooking market but as many taggers now purchase supplies from scrapbooking stores and scale them down to suit their use I don't see the harm in them being for sale in those venues.
If you want to see non-creepy (IMHO) poser "dolls" then look at: http://www.outlawbydesign.com/
Anonymous said... anyone know where Ellie Lash/That Girl is going to? She is closing up her Sun shops at the end of the month. I'm betting 9th and Bloom.
I don't see the big deal in a CT member seeking inspiration - it doesn't mean she can't scrap it just means she wants to see people's 'about me' pages.
Not only that, but how do you know part of her CT duties aren't to make chit-chat kind of threads in the DST scaptalk forum to bring more attention to her siggy and the people she scraps for?
If you want to see non-creepy (IMHO) poser "dolls" then look at: http://www.outlawbydesign.com/
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IMO, still creepy and certainly slutty. Doesn't belong on a layout about anyone in my family. It's just another example of how our society has scewed sex and body image into something that isn't realistic.
But otherwise, you provided a friendly answer. It's just not my thing...
What the fuck is your problem with Poser and why the fuck do you care what people use them for? Seriously. That's MY question and if you can't come up with a legitimate reason why anyone should care what you think or why you are so persistent that we tell you what we use them for, then you should shut YOUR smug fucking mouth.
January 23, 2011 7:31 AM
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There was no need for that reply at all. I was on the defending end of Poser but when I see answers like yours, you just give the whole community a bad name. Like some of the people here defending the scrapping and not seeing the Poser point of view. Yes, it's a smack blog, but being uncivilized just for the sake of it is childish.
I'm not the OP. I care because they keep advertising their crap at DST and I don't want to look at it. -----
Then don't look. There's a lot of crap at DST that I don't want to look at either but I really don't care enough to get my knickers in a twist. I just stopped looking.
Ok seriously I have been out of digi for a while now and wanted to make a page for my dd's room. Umm I have spent the last hour searching stores and have found nothing! WTH happened to digi? I looked at places taht USED to be good as far as I knew like Scrapbookgraphics, MScraps, Lilypad, Shabby Pickle, Cat Scraps, Scrap Orchard, man I could go on and on and I have found nothing! Any newish decent stores?
Then don't look. There's a lot of crap at DST that I don't want to look at either but I really don't care enough to get my knickers in a twist. I just stopped looking.
January 23, 2011 5:08 PM
that's a stupid answer. It's not like I can tell it's a poser thread before I click it. I like to look at DST to find new stuff. My knickers aren't in a twist. She just wanted to know why we care. That's my reason. I think it doesn't belong with scrapbooking. I just can't understand putting a half naked person on a layout with a 2 year old son.
I personally am not fond of the Poser characters that we often see left and right. There are great Poser users, and not-so-great ones. Just like some "designers" use CU in such a basic way, it is laughable, others will use them so creatively that you have a hard time recognizing the original element. Let's just enjoy the well done work, and ignore the rest.
There seem to be a few angry, jilted subscribers posting, but I wonder how many haven't noticed they haven't gotten a new mag or forgot they had a sub.
Is that just a risk you take in any subscription that the organization will fold and you will lose money?
DAM was undependable from the very start. There are other subscription sites that have been operating dependably for years. As with any business there are good companies and bad. I guess if you are going to invest in a subscription you need to check out the track record of the company offering it.
Ok seriously I have been out of digi for a while now and wanted to make a page for my dd's room. Umm I have spent the last hour searching stores and have found nothing! WTH happened to digi? I looked at places taht USED to be good as far as I knew like Scrapbookgraphics, MScraps, Lilypad, Shabby Pickle, Cat Scraps, Scrap Orchard, man I could go on and on and I have found nothing! Any newish decent stores? ----
Did you try Oscraps? The newish stores are waste of time, just like the ones you listed.
that's a stupid answer. It's not like I can tell it's a poser thread before I click it. I like to look at DST to find new stuff. My knickers aren't in a twist. She just wanted to know why we care. That's my reason. I think it doesn't belong with scrapbooking. I just can't understand putting a half naked person on a layout with a 2 year old son.
January 23, 2011 5:33 PM
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and that's a stupid response. They aren't all half naked and yes, your knickers were in a twist and still are. You couldn't use crowns and a bunch of other stuff on layouts of your two year old son either. I don't see you going on about them.
You couldn't use crowns and a bunch of other stuff on layouts of your two year old son either. I don't see you going on about them.
January 23, 2011 11:12 PM
Well, I have actually used a crown for that. But never a sultry half naked lady or a dirty old goat.
But if Joelle's stuff is considered poser then I stand corrected that it is all slutty. I still don't care for her stuff amd I do think it still falls into "scrapbooking". I wouldn't be annoyed if I clicked on one of her threads. Her stuff is pretty. Usually the people who create the boob baring slut posers can't even design a decent paper or other elements.
You seem pretty uptight and defensive about people disliking poser stuff. Someone's pushed a button!
IMO, still creepy and certainly slutty. Doesn't belong on a layout about anyone in my family. It's just another example of how our society has scewed sex and body image into something that isn't realistic.
But otherwise, you provided a friendly answer. It's just not my thing... ---------------------------------
Yup I agree. They are provocative poses that belong in a mens magazine, which brings me to my next question, why do we never see male posers in scrapbooking circles and why are the female posers always seeming to be in provocative poses or slutty clothing?
"Are they used for artwork to hang on a wall, tagging, posters?? If you can't come up with something that people actually USE the posers in then you should shut your rude mouth and be done with it. _________________ What the fuck is your problem with Poser and why the fuck do you care what people use them for? Seriously. That's MY question and if you can't come up with a legitimate reason why anyone should care what you think or why you are so persistent that we tell you what we use them for, then you should shut YOUR smug fucking mouth. "
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Stupid bitch! I was not the one who first asked what they were used for. I simply don't see why you can't answer the original gals legitimate question. She wasn't being rude. She just didn't know what they might be used for and asked. Why are you poser fans so loathe to even answer her question? Stupid bitches.
For most of you here, scrapbooking is a page with ribbons, flowers and journaling. Well, don't be shocked, but there is something that it's called art, and you can use digital scrapbooking supplies in order to create art objects! Of course you can use your 2 years old son, for instance in a scene with dragons, castles and knights. In my opinion, scrapbooking is not all about memories and titles like "we are a happy family", "I love my son". In my opinion, the scrappers that only scrap family photos and events, repeating constantly "we are happy, we love each other, I am so lucky to have such a wonderful family" etc etc, have two problems: a) they aren't pretty sure about their choises and they need to convince themselves that they have chosen the right thing to do (e.g. giving up their career), and b)as Americans (who, as we all know, are people with no history), they feel the need to document their life, as if it was something meaningful for the generations to come.
b)as Americans (who, as we all know, are people with no history), they feel the need to document their life, as if it was something meaningful for the generations to come.
January 24, 2011 3:23 AM
WOW someone is looking for a fight. You have only proven that you are an uneducated idiot.
Well, don't be shocked, but there is something that it's called art, and you can use digital scrapbooking supplies in order to create art objects! Of course you can use your 2 years old son, for instance in a scene with dragons, castles and knights. In my opinion,
Granted this might be a true statement but the majority of SCRAPBOOKERS are creating memories for their families and not art for their walls though scrapbooking on canvas has also been a popular mode of scrapbooking. I would bet that all the majority of CT making those fantasy/artsy LOs are not including them in their memory books. I love looking at them. I think there are some really talented gals out there but honestly if you want art go to a gallery site. You obviously feel a need to bash those who live in America. Does that include South too? No history-oh my I wondered why they taught us US history in school.
oh sheesh, you fantasy and poser people need to get over yourselves. Some will create layouts that are actually works of art. Some are just kidding themselves and produce nothing more than a digital piece of crap. You think your stuff is so great and belongs in a museum because you put a baby that isn't even yours on a lilypad. It all looks the same.
like "we are a happy family", "I love my son". In my opinion, the scrappers that only scrap family photos and events, repeating constantly "we are happy, we love each other, I am so lucky to have such a wonderful family" etc etc, have two problems: a) they aren't pretty sure about their choises and they need to convince themselves that they have chosen the right thing to do (e.g. giving up their career), and
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aren't you a pleasant ray of sunshine?
So fantasy layouts NEVER contain, "I love you"? UM wrong! I've seen MANY of them. Again, with a stolen picture of a baby hanging in a sack. I think it's creepy to create artwork that says "I love you" to a baby that you don't even know.
b)as Americans (who, as we all know, are people with no history), they feel the need to document their life, as if it was something meaningful for the generations to come. ________________________________
True that our history only goes back to 1776.
It's unfortunate that we can't trace our great, great..... grandparents back to the time that they were starving serfs in some god forsaken fiefdom located in an equally non descriptive country that no longer holds any kind of presence on the world stage.
Oh yes, that's the type of shit I really wish I could scrapbook.
So fantasy layouts NEVER contain, "I love you"? UM wrong! I've seen MANY of them. Again, with a stolen picture of a baby hanging in a sack. I think it's creepy to create artwork that says "I love you" to a baby that you don't even know.
January 24, 2011 8:00 AM
^And many don't even own the copyright to their artwork to get it published or displayed in a B&M gallery. They don't own the rights to the picture! Some work of "art"!
Laugh if you wish but I'm sure some people have taken their kids to farms that have goats. Didn't think of that did you. January 24, 2011 2:33 AM -----------------------------
Actually I did think of that but figured if they'd be scrapping a picture of their kid at a farm and they wanted to scrap that their kid saw a goat they would probably already have the goat in the picture. (thus not needing an extracted goat) But meh I'm just your average scrapper.
It just struck me as odd, scrolling through products for personal use for the average scrapper and bam, a goat, bam another goat!!!
Why are you poser fans so loathe to even answer her question? Stupid bitches.
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Actually, you are the stupid one, the question has already been answered and more than once.
I find it ironic that so many of you who are slamming poser dolls etc and go on about family values and traditional scrap pages are the ones that are screaming 'bitch', 'slut', etc.
Actually I did think of that but figured if they'd be scrapping a picture of their kid at a farm and they wanted to scrap that their kid saw a goat they would probably already have the goat in the picture. (thus not needing an extracted goat) But meh I'm just your average scrapper. ------
No different from having pumpkins all over a layout on a picture of a kid in a pumpkin patch.
^And many don't even own the copyright to their artwork to get it published or displayed in a B&M gallery. They don't own the rights to the picture! Some work of "art"!
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And many do own the copyrights. Who pushed your buttons today?
a) they aren't pretty sure about their choises and they need to convince themselves that they have chosen the right thing to do (e.g. giving up their career), and b)as Americans (who, as we all know, are people with no history), they feel the need to document their life, as if it was something meaningful for the generations to come.
oh sheesh, you fantasy and poser people need to get over yourselves. Some will create layouts that are actually works of art. Some are just kidding themselves and produce nothing more than a digital piece of crap. You think your stuff is so great and belongs in a museum because you put a baby that isn't even yours on a lilypad. It all looks the same.
January 24, 2011 7:51 AM
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The same can be said of scrapbookers too. No need to be so insular. If it's crap, it's crap, doesn't matter if it's 3D art, scrap art, or whatever the heck it is.
SugarHill co is having a designer call. I'm very torn about if I should apply or not. It looks like a cute store with great designers and the pay is the highest I've seen (90% comission if you are exclusive). However, I have big issues with the owner, Miss Tiina. I know she used to copy vectores from stock photos and I'm till not sure she is reformed and if her products are legit. Thoughts, anyone?
SugarHill co is having a designer call. I'm very torn about if I should apply or not. It looks like a cute store with great designers and the pay is the highest I've seen (90% comission if you are exclusive). However, I have big issues with the owner, Miss Tiina. I know she used to copy vectores from stock photos and I'm till not sure she is reformed and if her products are legit. Thoughts, anyone?
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Plenty of people here have issues with her. Personally I wouldn't come to a smack blog to get advice on whether to apply to a call. If you have questions about a store owner, there's no reason to apply to a call. If you're curious, apply. I know plenty of people who would be more than able not apply to the SBG call because they don't like how it's run.
If you've got doubts, don't do it. I had doubts about a store once, went ahead anyway, and left it after two months. A few months further down the road, the store closed up, but the owner told customers that they were 'renovating' and would be up and running again. It never happened.
I am just an average scrapper, not a designer. I am not active on any CT's, although I have been in the past. I am not active in any "scrapbook community", I don't post on the message boards, and I don't post my layouts online anymore. I read the Digi boards for entertainment, and am constantly amazed at what people share on the internet. I freely admit to reading the scrapbook smack blogs, it is a guilty pleasure.
You can email me at: DSTHallofFame@gmail.com
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Why would anyone be fighting to use that CU crap? sheesh. There's better stuff out there! Someone really paid $10 for that?
January 19, 2011 9:12 AM
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I wouldn't even take that awful CU even if it was a freebie!! just the look of their blogs/stores is enough to make me reach for the hurl bucket. I had to take a couple of panadol and have a lie down to recover from the ordeal.
Could we have a
"warning this site may cause headaches, nausea and impaired vision enter at own risk"
Anonymous said...
ok...who can pick out the nasty product in this thread at DST? what on earth is ScrapbookElements doing with crap like this???? YUCK.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/new-digital-products-33/more-previews-new-scrapbook-elements-266610/
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The preview may not be the greatest but Ake's products are excellent quality and those items in question look great on layouts. They are accents. You wouldn't put 10 on a layout but a couple look great.
http://mommyandwife2011.blogspot.com/2011/01/stripe-overlay-01.html
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How I wish this girl and all the so-called-designers like her would stop making such fools of themselves. SERIOUSLY! Come on, how difficult is it to make a few straight lines? Also, I looked at her preview online here
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qj6fW82nxxg/TTd6s9JHScI/AAAAAAAABJU/gD2RXUQPrRE/s1600/Kit%2BPreview.png
The textures are horrid, the patterns boring and that red..? WOW.
And here's a comment that she posted on her own blog -
"I have fixed all what needed to be fix. I will research "Gamut" to learn about it. I have not printed anything out just yet. Once we get a little extra money I will make a layout and print it. :D ?"
Really? She hasn't so much as printed a layout or one thing she has designed yet? That just might do the trick to getting her to see how either bad of a designer she really is or that she is seriously overdue for an eye exam. I haven't seen one layout she has made with her own kit. Has anyone?
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The only decent item is the charm, but it is a CU!
To the anon commentator on the Mommy & Wife blog, was it really necessary to let her know she was being smacked? You could have said what you needed to say without telling her about the smack. Really, there was just no need for it, no need at all.
I posted "nicely" on one of the now missing CU items she had up there. I asked if the items were only 72ppi like one of the others because to be of any use to scrapbookers it needed to be 300ppi. She didn't approve my comment I guess because I can't see it but since I made it she has changed things to 300ppi. Even still, the quality isn't too good. And as for Joanne's stuff........ blech! It is so obviously PSP stuff. I don't mean to insult those who use PSP to it's full ability but some things made in PSP are just so awful. They look fake/plastic-like a lot of the time.
^^^^^ I agree about PSP items looking fake (I am a PS user), but hey look at the scrap kits with all those extracted images of flowers and ribbons and sofas and cats and whatever... Those too give PS users a bad name. PSP users always say that everything they make is designed from scratch.
PS or PSP users, a lot of items can and are just bleh. Using a program to draw, and using it to create knowing the potential of all the tools and effects of a program are two different things. Many PS users will just use filters to add effects. Not much better. However, some designers (with BOTH PS and PSP) can show creative use of their tools and display their skills. I have seen lame scripts for PSP, and lame actions for PS. Too many people think that knowing the basic tools make you skilled enough to design for distribution. That is sad and will give bad name to many others.
Comments added on the Mommy & Wife blog. I think it would have been just as effective to email her those comments. Nobody really likes or needs a "public" criticism, even if constructive.
Another script that is... hum... useful???
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/new-digital-products-33/fuzzy-standing-bunny-psp-script-266672/#post2749496
I suppose it would be silly to say that I don't think there are currently many designers out there who are making even $1500 a month any longer. Times they are a changing-too many designers, too much product=less money for those who use to make good money and add in a stinking economy and that's is why stores are starting to close and designers who were top designers have left the building. You'll start to see more designers leaving unless they aren't in it for the money and if a store goes down for any length of time the customer base has probably flown the coop. I think many are finding it less and less fulfilling to design in this kind of market but stay in hopes that things will finally turn around. Don't hold your breath-maybe 5 years down the road you'll see a different market or maybe there will no longer be a market at all.
Comments added on the Mommy & Wife blog. I think it would have been just as effective to email her those comments. Nobody really likes or needs a "public" criticism, even if constructive.
January 20, 2011 7:18 AM
She didn't have to approve them. Her comments are set up to not be posted until approved. That's similar to email. And I know some like to stay anon because she could be a pyscho and not take even constructive criticism.
I think it's mean that people sent messages that weren't helpful. If you don't like it, fine. But seriously be constructive and helpful and not so hateful!!!
She's new. Almost every designer makes crappy kits at first.
http://www.twopeasinabucket.com/shop/hero-arts/104739-digikit-ha-hero-winter-papers/?filters=digital-kits
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I can't believe my eyes! $8 for these and they have no texture or anything. They are only backfilled with color? Am I wrong or do my eyes deceive me? $24 if I want to use backfilled digital papers commercially? If that's making them money then I want in too. LOL
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/new-digital-products-33/fuzzy-standing-bunny-psp-script-266672/#post2749496
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That is unreal. I certainly wouldn't be paying $2.45 for them..even if I was blind and didnt know what I was getting. WOW
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/new-digital-products-33/fuzzy-standing-bunny-psp-script-266672/#post2749496
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That is unreal. I certainly wouldn't be paying $2.45 for them..even if I was blind and didnt know what I was getting. WOW
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So many of those script are, at the most, "one-time-use". Wow, you can choose the color of the fur and the eyes. I guess, maybe, i can use some rainbow color bunnies! one green, one blue, one yellow, one pink... How much should i sell a kit with 12 different color bunnies?
You can find "basic" actions too. Check this one:
http://www.digishoptalk.com/products/showphoto.php?photo=80955
How many colors can you choose for a penguin?
An ugly, misshapen penguin, at that.
I kind of like the fuzzy bunny.
I suppose it would be silly to say that I don't think there are currently many designers out there who are making even $1500 a month any longer.
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Don't know why that's silly. I was thinking the same thing. I'm sure there are some designers making that much consistently month after month. But all of the designers in the 7 stores she listed as top tier making more than $1500 EVERY month? I doubt it.
I still cannot imagine "designers" like this actually exist. Here is her blog site...
http://designzbylou.blogspot.com/
and here's a designer call she had. Not sure any "posers" applied unless they were tripping over each other to get a spot in her shop and she was so overwhelmed that she has yet to decide.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__UPikzmHlGk/TQaU3Ob45qI/AAAAAAAAA18/FT1WTztpusE/s1600/PoserRealm_DesignerCall.jpg
Aren't "posers" people who represent someone they are not? I'm too lazy too look up the real definition right now but I think that's what it means. At least she got something right.
There are a few different definitions of Poser on the Urban Dictionary website. However in the digital world, Poser is a software that creates 3d figures and animation.
http://www.cuforyou.com/store/
Why dont they just rename this store to "scanforyou"? I'm curious if they have the rights to sell the works of all the items they have listed, unless of course I'm wrong and they have indeed some super artists that sit and create this stuff by hand then scan it. Possible? I've never seen so much cu crap in one place. Holy shit! They are scanners, not designers.
There are a few different definitions of Poser on the Urban Dictionary website. However in the digital world, Poser is a software that creates 3d figures and animation.
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Whatever they are it's all nasty.
ok...in the middle of this post..the butterfly...omg...LMAO...it reminds me of hookers underwear.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/new-digital-products-33/styles-quick-pages-scripts-266705/
ok...in the middle of this post..the butterfly...omg...LMAO...it reminds me of hookers underwear.
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LMAO! And look, it's PokaDot again!
Minimum of $1500? Wow - so at an average of $6 a kit, someone would have to sell 250 kits. That seems like a lot, even for a top tier store.
I think it's mean that people sent messages that weren't helpful. If you don't like it, fine. But seriously be constructive and helpful and not so hateful!!!
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Who sent messages that weren't helpful? And mean? C'mon, what are you, in kindergarten?
http://www.twopeasinabucket.com/shop/hero-arts/104739-digikit-ha-hero-winter-papers/?filters=digital-kits
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You know, when Hero Art first started selling rubber stamps, they were pretty awful too, they can but improve from here.
ok...in the middle of this post..the butterfly...omg...LMAO...it reminds me of hookers underwear.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/new-digital-products-33/styles-quick-pages-scripts-266705/
January 20, 2011 5:03 PM
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My God! Looks like a hairy vagina.
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I didn't dare say it, but i thought the exact same thing!
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LMAO! Just what I want a vagina-framed photo on my layouts.
and here's a designer call she had. Not sure any "posers" applied unless they were tripping over each other to get a spot in her shop and she was so overwhelmed that she has yet to decide.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__UPikzmHlGk/TQaU3Ob45qI/AAAAAAAAA18/FT1WTztpusE/s1600/PoserRealm_DesignerCall.jpg
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Well, whatever your opinion, she has 15 designers at her site. Not everyone is into extractions and doodles and the general stuff that's around in the scrap world. the 3D market is HUGE, much bigger than the digi scrap market.
and here's a designer call she had. Not sure any "posers" applied unless they were tripping over each other to get a spot in her shop and she was so overwhelmed that she has yet to decide.
Is that stuff that you can use in The Sims games?
"http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__UPikzmHlGk/TQaU3Ob45qI/AAAAAAAAA18/FT1WTztpusE/s1600/PoserRealm_DesignerCall.jpg
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Well, whatever your opinion, she has 15 designers at her site. Not everyone is into extractions and doodles and the general stuff that's around in the scrap world. the 3D market is HUGE, much bigger than the digi scrap market."
My post didn't show up so I'll ask again. Is this stuff made for The Sims games?
"http://1.bp.blogspot.com/__UPikzmHlGk/TQaU3Ob45qI/AAAAAAAAA18/FT1WTztpusE/s1600/PoserRealm_DesignerCall.jpg
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No.
Well, whatever your opinion, she has 15 designers at her site. Not everyone is into extractions and doodles and the general stuff that's around in the scrap world. the 3D market is HUGE, much bigger than the digi scrap market.
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I stand corrected. She has at least 15 of the worst designers I have EVER seen. I guess she had a call for anyone who thought they had a cell of artistic in them. I would much rather watch paint dry than so much as look at this shit. Now don't tell me..you're going to claim these are the top tier designers making $1,500 a day LOL
WV: horid (so fitting)
Well, whatever your opinion, she has 15 designers at her site. Not everyone is into extractions and doodles and the general stuff that's around in the scrap world. the 3D market is HUGE, much bigger than the digi scrap market.
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I stand corrected. She has at least 15 of the worst designers I have EVER seen. I guess she had a call for anyone who thought they had a cell of artistic in them. I would much rather watch paint dry than so much as look at this shit. Now don't tell me..you're going to claim these are the top tier designers making $1,500 a day LOL
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And she must be one of those shit designers comming to their defense. Not another half decent designer or scrapper would so its a dead giveaway.
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Nope, not one of the designers at all, not tht you will believe me. You are all so transparent.
People are either jealous or the designer or a CTM if they come to the defense of anyone.
Show me what you think is great. Go on, this is your chance to be heroes. I'm dying to know what you think is wonderful and fabulous and must have.
I stand corrected. She has at least 15 of the worst designers I have EVER seen. I
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Really, worst ever? You don't get out much, do you?
And she must be one of those shit designers comming to their defense. Not another half decent designer or scrapper would so its a dead giveaway.
January 20, 2011 10:02 PM
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Really? And you base your opinion on what? Your limited view of the world, right, gotcha.
Really? And you base your opinion on what? Your limited view of the world, right, gotcha.
Did you really need to post 3 times, within one minute of each post, trying to seem like 3 different people agreeing together as a group? Oh too funny. I'm not too transparent now am I if I could pick that up? Go away troll shit "designer". Your store sucks, your designs suck ass and you are not the brightest star in the sky. C'ya.
I wasn't trying to look like three different people, idiot. And I'm not part of the store.
You really are a moron, aren't you?
The world is so much bigger than you think, it really is.
I really don't get the whole poser thing. Those ugly 3d dolls are creepy and weird. I cannot for the life of me work out why anyone would want to use them.
A script to make a flying vagina ! can put a picture of my child in - lovely!
I wasn't trying to look like three different people, idiot. And I'm not part of the store.
You really are a moron, aren't you?
The world is so much bigger than you think, it really is.
January 21, 2011 12:34 AM
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I have to agree that you're losing your battle here. I think she/he is right - only a design team member would come running to the side of such hideous work. Go back to perfecting your 3d poser dolls sweetie.
Some serious holier-than-thou attitudes on this blog, I see.
Try thinking outside your smothered, tiny scrapbooking boxes for just a moment. The world is MUCH larger than you could imagine and if you can stop being scared for a fraction of your sad, protected life, you'll see it can be quite fun. I'll let you in on a little secret:
Ready?
Don't cover your eyes, it won't be that bad, I promise.
***Not everyone who uses digital images creates digital scrapbook pages!***
*GASP* NO! Can it really be so? Yep, really.
I mean, I know it may sound just terrifying to you, sitting there in your protected little world, but some people actually have different tastes than you.
I hope you don't have nightmares tonight. I know it sounds so frightening but it'll all be okay. There are many, many vanilla scrap stores out there for you to choose from, so a few Poser stores really should have no effect on your life after you read this post, so go get your bottle of Valium and go back to sleep. When you wake up, you can brush it off as a bad dream and go scrap your Precious taking a poop and surround him some pretty bows extracted just for you.
I really don't get the whole poser thing. Those ugly 3d dolls are creepy and weird. I cannot for the life of me work out why anyone would want to use them.
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I really don't get the whole scrapbook thing. Those ugly pages containing tiny pictures of some kid doing some stupid thing that no one cares about are creepy and weird. I cannot for the life of me work out why anyone would want to do that to their child.
And she must be one of those shit designers comming to their defense. Not another half decent designer or scrapper would so its a dead giveaway.
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Lots of designers use poser. Browse through Joelle's store sometime. Almost everything she creates is from poser and she's known as a top designer.
Just like everything else, you have good products and bad products. I have seen some nice looking Poser figures, and lots of ugly ones too. We dont need a blanket statement that ALL Poser products are bad, just like we cannot say that all digiscrap kits, or scripts, or button sets are bad because we found some ugly ones. In addition, what one person likes or dislikes is probably different than what the next person likes or dislikes. I hope the designers who do those things get the hint though: if they sell, fine. If they dont, move onto something else.
Lots of designers use poser. Browse through Joelle's store sometime. Almost everything she creates is from poser and she's known as a top designer.
January 21, 2011 7:52 AM
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She is?
LOLOL...Joelle is a top designer? Really. Thats why she is leaving her shop, and setting up her own. People in the scrapbook industry don't buy her stuff....poser people do.
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I would not be surprised. At least she can draw and paint on her own, and wont need a ton of recolored CU elements to create her kits. She is a DESIGNER, not a "packager". I dont buy from her because her style is more fantasy and i dont do that style, but her stuff does look great nevertheless.
Most of you don't know that drawing, for example a fox, is totally different that taking a photo of a fox and applying a PS style with a drawing effect.
I don't like the above mentioned designer's style, much too fantasy for me. But I can tell you she isn't less of a "packager" than others, she is just also a "style adder".
As far as i know, Joelle is a PSP user (only recently started using PS) so i doubt adding STYLES is her usual way of drawing. And if she uses any tool creatively, good for her.
Can Bettina Deadhorse PLEASE chime in:
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/2746302-post25.html
Show me what you think is great. Go on, this is your chance to be heroes. I'm dying to know what you think is wonderful and fabulous and must have.
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OK, from the stuff posted right now in the products thread at DST, I think this stuff is decent. They aren't all my style, but I like them.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/new-digital-products-33/new-crazee-kinda-luv-fwp-freebie-266749/
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/new-digital-products-33/snowkissed-new-becca-9th-bloom-266768/
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/new-digital-products-33/gurrls-nite-now-sm-gp-266808/
Maybe there should be a daily list extracted from the Product gallery of "The good, the bad, and the ugly".
Maybe there should be a daily list extracted from the Product gallery of "The good, the bad, and the ugly".
OH please there is enough garbage on this blot as is. Since everyone has different tastes this certainly would be a waste of time. There is a lot of good stuff out there as well as crap. I can make up my own mind when I see somthing. I don't need to have something pointed out to me with someone else's opinion.
Oh I think there's plenty that everyone can agree is crap.
From the thread linked earlier at DST.
Ok, I'm sure I'll get thrashed for this, but sometimes I get annoyed with the way this business is.... CT people work for hours, sometimes days on layouts, blogging, (now MANAGEMENT teams!!!!) promoting and placing product for designers, and they get free kits? I know a lot of scrappers don't have much money, so they CT just to get the kits. But it seems it's such a win-win for the designers, and win-lose for the CT members....
I work in a professional design business, and I get paid in real money for what I do. I don't think I'd do what I do (I'm a toy designer) just to get free toys. I honestly feel that it's wrong to put together an entire team of 'help' to promote a business, and not pay them. (Sorry, but in my mind 'paying' in free kits isn't paying. The download costs the designer nothing... it's not like 'real stuff' where the product comes out of inventory). Am I the only one bugged by this?
I apologize if I offend anyone by this, but I just don't get it. If you can explain it so I can understand it, great. Otherwise, I'm totally stumped. And annoyed.
I'm annoyed that she's annoyed. She doesn't even use kits. Why does she think it's any of her business to comment on our business?
I'm annoyed that she's annoyed. She doesn't even use kits. Why does she think it's any of her business to comment on our business?
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She is entitled to have an opinion even if she is not using kits. Afterall, she is using the forum, she is posting threads, she has every right to voice an opinion. She is not saying her opinion is the only one or the right one. She states clearly that it is an opinion. I am a designer, and I tend to agree with her on most of her comments. So if you disagree, either you post your opinion on that thread, or you don't say anything.
How do you know she doesn't use kits? I'm guessing she does or, to be frank, I don't think she'd be getting involved in a discussion about scrapbooking.
What she doesn't understand is that this is mainly a "hobbyist" business so it's not like designing for a corporate entity who has the funds to pay. A good 90% of the designers out there don't make enough to cover minimum wage for making the kits and if you factor in out of pocket expenses for resources, computer, software then that probably plummets far lower than 90%. Hence paying "in kind" for services rendered for promotional materials and services. Can you imagine how high prices would have to be for kits if CT were to be paid even minimum wage :0| Then the kits wouldn't sell too many copies because people would have to be more discerning with their cash when paying $20 upwards for each kit so it would probably pay the designer even less than the current $5 - $8 kit does.
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And you'd be wrong. You can scrapbook without using kits. The art of scrapbooking existed loooong before the availability of commercial kits. I'm just going to assume that you don't have imagination or creativity enough to create a layout without commercial product being used.
And frankly, for some of the stuff designers want their CT to do...being paid "in kind" really cuts it. The time it takes compared to how much an average kit costs and you're saying someone's time is only worth a dollar or so an hour. I don't making layouts for a designer but when they want me to pimp and do all their marketing - that's a bit much.
I meant to say...being paid "in kind" really doesn't cut it.
"What she doesn't understand is that this is mainly a "hobbyist" business"
What a wrong way to think...
I agree with her but hey, if someone doesn't want to be on a CT team unless they get paid cash, then that's their business. If they don't care if all they get are kits, that's their business too. I think the concept of a CT team is great but for some designers, I believe they have gone way too far with their requirements but that's just my opinion.
I have to agree that you're losing your battle here. I think she/he is right - only a design team member would come running to the side of such hideous work. Go back to perfecting your 3d poser dolls sweetie.
January 21, 2011 4:55 AM
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Well, you can think what you want, but you would be wrong. But I guess you should be used to that by now, shouldn't you? Spending so much of your time making assumptions must make you constantly look like an ass.
OK, from the stuff posted right now in the products thread at DST, I think this stuff is decent. They aren't all my style, but I like them.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/new-digital-products-33/new-crazee-kinda-luv-fwp-freebie-266749/
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/new-digital-products-33/snowkissed-new-becca-9th-bloom-266768/
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/new-digital-products-33/gurrls-nite-now-sm-gp-266808/
January 21, 2011 12:15 PM
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Well thank you! I intensely dislike the last one, it's horrible in all aspects. The first two are okay, but nothing outstanding. It looks like so much of the other scrap kits out there.
How do you know she doesn't use kits? I'm guessing she does or, to be frank, I don't think she'd be getting involved in a discussion about scrapbooking.
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She doesn't. She says so all the time.
if someone doesn't want to be on a CT team unless they get paid cash, then that's their business. If they don't care if all they get are kits, that's their business too. I think the concept of a CT team is great but for some designers, I believe they have gone way too far with their requirements but that's just my opinion.
January 21, 2011 4:43 PM
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I agree with you, but not with her. CTMs, on the whole, are grown women making their own choices.
Back up a few years and I think you'll find most CT's signed up simply to get free kits to scrap "what they would be scrapping anyway" - the bonus being that they got their supplies free. I'm on a CT and I still scrap that way. I request kits that suit my photos and scrapping style and probably would have purchased those kits if I wasn't on at CT. I don't use stock photos. All layouts I do with the "free" kits are all personal and are printed out and put into albums, made into gifts for family etc. I CHOOSE the kits I want to work with just as if I was actually shopping and paying for them. If I was "told" which kits I had to scrap with I'd quit ct'ing.
Fast forward to recent times. A LOT of layouts created by CT's are NOT "personal". They use stock photos and are "pumped out" just for the sake of advertising. I enjoy reading "real" journaling and seeing "real" family events etc. I'll gladly post praise on a "personal" layout I find appealing for either the journaling or the overall look of the page but I won't comment on layouts with stock photos.
"What she doesn't understand is that this is mainly a "hobbyist" business"
What a wrong way to think...
January 21, 2011 4:24 PM
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True, but it's the way most designers treat their business, like a hobby.
"What she doesn't understand is that this is mainly a "hobbyist" business"
What a wrong way to think...
January 21, 2011 4:24 PM
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True, but it's the way most designers treat their business, like a hobby.
January 21, 2011 5:23 PM
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Why did you say that? Give me an example of what designers do to treat their business like a hobby, please.
Not regularly releasing kits or going months without a new release would be one example. And many will say they design for "fun" and don't really care if they make money. Sounds like a hobby to me!
This isn't a bad thing, btw...
When you wake up, you can brush it off as a bad dream and go scrap your Precious taking a poop and surround him some pretty bows extracted just for you.
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Oh my didn't I touch a nerve, and so what exactly do you use the poser dolls for? I really don't see what on earth you would use them for?? Apart from them being butt ugly is there any other use for them? Maybe butt ugly signature tags I suppose.
Just like everything else, you have good products and bad products. I have seen some nice looking Poser figures, and lots of ugly ones too. We dont need a blanket statement that ALL Poser products are bad, just like we cannot say that all digiscrap kits, or scripts, or button sets are bad because we found some ugly ones.
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Oh really, show me a nice one then, I have yet to see one. All the ones I have seen are fake looking weird and creepy, some of course are better than others but they are ALL creepy.
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So, you've seen every single poser product out there, have you? Wow, I'm impressed.
Why did you say that? Give me an example of what designers do to treat their business like a hobby, please.
January 21, 2011 6:50 PM
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Non paid CTMs
Minimal advertising
Attendance in multiple forums
Regularly giving product away (the Happy Place and similar)
More than two stores
Etc etc
Oh my didn't I touch a nerve, and so what exactly do you use the poser dolls for? I really don't see what on earth you would use them for?? Apart from them being butt ugly is there any other use for them? Maybe butt ugly signature tags I suppose.
January 21, 2011 9:11 PM
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Well, when you graduate high school, I'll tell you. I'm not sure you will get it then, as you seem so set in your ideas. This is not good thing. You'll get along much better in the world wen you learn to compromise and see other viewpoints.
Anonymous said...
"What she doesn't understand is that this is mainly a "hobbyist" business"
What a wrong way to think...
January 21, 2011 4:24 PM
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True, but it's the way most designers treat their business, like a hobby.
January 21, 2011 5:23 PM
But when it comes to their paycheck, they don't accept monopoly money!
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your point?
How do you know she doesn't use kits? I'm guessing she does or, to be frank, I don't think she'd be getting involved in a discussion about scrapbooking.
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obviously you havnt taken a look in her gallery. No hint of kit anywhere. I did a CT stint back 3yrs ago didnt have to pimp all over the place , got kits that I liked to scrap personal pgs for. Now its like the designers want the CT teams to be there Advertisment Agencies.Must post x , post enable, play prasie games , have twitter, have fb, etc .. takes all the fun out of it. I refuse to be told that I have to pay fake praise to get the word out on kits. Or pimp to family and freinds on FB Some designers not all mind you seem to think that they need 15 CT members?
IMO if every designer only had to 2ct then there would be more sales done as opposed to giving it away. May be then we wouldnt be hearing designers bleating about the lack of $. I have never made a purchase based on a CT layout, nor have I ever viewed the enable threads. I did do ISO but got lots of pimping of kits that were not what was requested. Annoying.
So, you've seen every single poser product out there, have you? Wow, I'm impressed.
January 22, 2011 12:04 AM
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Did I say that? No, what I said was why don't you show me a nice one! There is a challenge for you. If you can show me a nice one I will admit that not all poser dolls are ugly.
No one has told me what you use them for yet either...
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Yes they have, 3D work. It was posted before you asked your question.
I personally like the dark and gothic and somewhat creepy, and that's before all that vampire crap became popular, so don't think it's because I'm into a trend, I'm not. I'm not really into cute and 'nice'. So, I can't show you what I think is a 'nice' poser doll, because you might think it's creepy or ugly. See the dilemma? But, I will try, so watch this space, or blog, whatever :)
IMO if every designer only had to 2ct then there would be more sales done as opposed to giving it away. May be then we wouldnt be hearing designers bleating about the lack of $. I have never made a purchase based on a CT layout, nor have I ever viewed the enable threads. I did do ISO but got lots of pimping of kits that were not what was requested. Annoying.
January 22, 2011 1:54 AM
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Agreed. Way back in the day when I was still designing, before 20 CTMs were the norm, I dumped my whole 5 CTMs and ended up with more sales than before.
I'm CTing at the moment for two designers, both of whom ask me to post my LOs at DST, but I don't see the point. I don't want to play the praise game and I know the LOs will get mostly overlooked otherwise. I have told them, but ...
Yes they have, 3D work. It was posted before you asked your question.
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oooohhh, 3D work, yes that explains it NOT! Isn't that was posers supposedly are? The only usable thing I can think of is computer games, but something tells me that is not what they are being used for. 3D work? What kind of 3D work, something to hang on the wall?
I am afraid '3D work' is not an explanation. What do you do with the 3D work?
So, I can't show you what I think is a 'nice' poser doll, because you might think it's creepy or ugly.
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Hmm I am just thinking you are making excuses and that you can't think of any 'nice' poser dolls. In my opinion the cute posers are creepier than the goth ones!
I'm so curious as to what your obsession with bashing Poser items is? There are many, many things to do with Poser and 3D art other than scrapbooking and tags. MANY. You want to know...Google is your friend. NO one has to validate their art to anyone but themselves and if you have a problem with it, well.....that's your problem.
Let's take a little test, shall we? This image..is it a real photo or is it 3D art?
http://img833.imageshack.us/i/3622851232630961large.jpg/
If you haven't figured out that it's not a real photo, then I've proved my point that your boxed up world is very small and your brain is even smaller.
In any case, your opinion is moot.
^that would be all fine and good if the digi scrapbook designers where THAT good. They aren't. They look like little trashy sluts whenever I see them use the dolls or really unrealistic elements. Nothing like that picture. I'm not about to put that trash on a page with my kids.
And you provide no proof that that isn't an actual picture.
LOL okay. *sigh* I really don't know why I'm bothering with this idiotic conversation but I'll play along one more time.
http://umutakay.cgsociety.org/gallery/721827/
Artist's comment: "1950's American kitchen. Personal project to improve my 3DMax skills. Modelled in my free times, I do not know how long did it take to finalize it. A few of the objects in the scene are ready-made, which I found on the internet (such as dishes in the cupboard and over the stove). Original image is 4000x2800 px, which took about 5 hours of Vray render."
Whether it's a simple Poser model or a fancy full-blown model of a kitchen, this has no bearing on the fact that YOU are the one with the issue and YOUR opinion means absolutely nothing to anyone but you. But keep on pointing out how ugly these images are because the only disgusting thing I see here are your comments.
Why did you say that? Give me an example of what designers do to treat their business like a hobby, please.
January 21, 2011 6:50 PM
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Non paid CTMs
Minimal advertising
Attendance in multiple forums
Regularly giving product away (the Happy Place and similar)
More than two stores
Etc etc
January 22, 2011 12:06 AM
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How is selling in more than two stores "hobbyist" behavior? Do you have any idea how much work goes into maintaining a shop in more than one store?
I didn't think so.
But keep on pointing out how ugly these images are because the only disgusting thing I see here are your comments.
January 22, 2011 9:55 AM
It's called an opinion. I think they are trash. You think they are fantastic. It's ok to disagree.
I am afraid '3D work' is not an explanation. What do you do with the 3D work?
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What do you do with an extracted image of a "______"? An extracted image of a bow, flower, button, etcetera is nothing more than a 2D representation of a 3-dimensional object, just like all 3D rendered images. Did you not realize this? Apparently, you did not.
No need to be so rude. You didn't really answer her question either. Why don't you be a nicer person and give her some examples of how people use posers (apart from scrapbooking) instead of being bitchy about it?
I'd like to know, too. How are they used outside of tagging, scrapping, and gaming? I'm not being nasty, I just truly want to know.
The kitchen looks neat and real, but it still doesn't answer the poser question. There is no under-dressed chick in that picture.
I'm CTing at the moment for two designers, both of whom ask me to post my LOs at DST, but I don't see the point. I don't want to play the praise game and I know the LOs will get mostly overlooked otherwise. I have told them, but ...
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If you joined their CT knowing you had to post at DST, then you should just do it. You knew what you had to do before you signed on.
That said, I am not active at DST's forums, but I do post in their layout gallery. I usually have 30-40 views on my LOs and even get comments. Since I'm not one of the "in crowd," I'd say there are people looking at all the LOs, not just their friends'. Either you're posting and just getting buried, or they may not be what people are looking for...
Either way, what else would you do in that 1-2 mins it takes to upload and copy and paste link information? Seriously...
Since I'm just catching up on the latest whiny "why are people so snooty" gossip between Shilo and LB...
Normally I'm the first person on the bash LB bandwagon. She was a snooty bitch years ago before anyone even knew who she was. So, it's difficult for me to actually feel bad for her, but I kind of do.
What kind of friend (Shilo) actually posts that crap in a fairly public place when everyone knows to whom she is referring (LB)? That's a horrible thing to do. I'd say just based on that particular behavior, I wouldn't want Shilo as a friend, either.
And I do agree with one of the previous posters... Shilo is probably just pissed they're not being bitches together anymore.
All those designers who gave her pity and "you're awesome" responses are total idiots.
well, now Shilo is at ZigZag with her new buddy jen yurko. might shut her up for a while, until she doesn't sell anything there, either.....LOLOL
anyone know where Ellie Lash/That Girl is going to? She is closing up her Sun shops at the end of the month. I'm betting 9th and Bloom.
What kind of friend (Shilo) actually posts that crap in a fairly public place when everyone knows to whom she is referring (LB)? That's a horrible thing to do. I'd say just based on that particular behavior, I wouldn't want Shilo as a friend, either.
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WTH are you talking about? I didn't see a post from Shilo...
I am the original person who asked what you use the posers for.
I agree with some of the others, the kitchen is awesome but that is beside the point. I asked about what you use the posers for, not kitchens. I didn't say I have not seen one nice kitchen, I said I have not seen one nice poser doll.
You still haven't proven anything. To me they ALL look creepy and weird, show me one that doesn't! I don't get what people use them for, so my question remains.
Non paid CTMs
Minimal advertising
Attendance in multiple forums
Regularly giving product away (the Happy Place and similar)
More than two stores
Etc etc
January 22, 2011 12:06 AM
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How is selling in more than two stores "hobbyist" behavior? Do you have any idea how much work goes into maintaining a shop in more than one store?
I didn't think so.
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So, you pick one thing on the list and validate your argument? How funny. As to you question, yes, I do know what it's like selling in more than one store and it's not hard work at all.
Let's take a little test, shall we? This image..is it a real photo or is it 3D art?
http://img833.imageshack.us/i/3622851232630961large.jpg/
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Could see it was a 3D model straight away. Nice work though.
And you provide no proof that that isn't an actual picture.
January 22, 2011 7:21 AM
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Honey, if you can't see that it's 3D work, then I feel sorry for you. It's obviously not a picture. However, the fact that you can't really see it, proves the point of 3D work, doesn't it?
^that would be all fine and good if the digi scrapbook designers where THAT good. They aren't. They look like little trashy sluts whenever I see them use the dolls or really unrealistic elements. Nothing like that picture. I'm not about to put that trash on a page with my kids.
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Why so nasty?
I am afraid '3D work' is not an explanation. What do you do with the 3D work?
January 22, 2011 4:33 AM
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I'm afraid that I cannot open a mind that wishes to stay closed.
I'd like to know, too. How are they used outside of tagging, scrapping, and gaming? I'm not being nasty, I just truly want to know.
January 22, 2011 11:09 AM
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Why not Google it, if you really want to know.
It was a thread in the designers section at DST, called something like "Why designers change after making it big" - DST closed it. Shilo was referring to Laura Banasiak in it. I'll see if I can find it and link you up.
The kitchen looks neat and real, but it still doesn't answer the poser question. There is no under-dressed chick in that picture.
January 22, 2011 11:10 AM
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Lots of poser dolls are not under dressed 'chicks'.
No need to be so rude.
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She wasn't being rude. The person asking about the validity of poser was being rude however.
If you joined their CT knowing you had to post at DST, then you should just do it. You knew what you had to do before you signed on.
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No, they knew my objection to posting at DST before they took me on.
THey unlocked the thread again at DST for whatever reason. This is the one Shilo started that was being discussed.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/digital-scrapbooking-industry-networking-forum-19/do-you-think-becoming-successful-changes-designers-attitude-266380/
Either you're posting and just getting buried, or they may not be what people are looking for...
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It's not the market for the people I'm CTing for. So exactly right, it's not what the average person is looking for, it's not cute kids etc. I haven't found the right gallery yet, but I know for damn sure it isn't DST.
You still haven't proven anything. To me they ALL look creepy and weird, show me one that doesn't! I don't get what people use them for, so my question remains.
January 22, 2011 5:46 PM
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Look, let's be honest here, you are never going to get it. You already have your views and they are not going to change. If you are that curious, go and do your own research. Not being nasty, just tired of the topic.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/digital-scrapbooking-industry-networking-forum-19/do-you-think-becoming-successful-changes-designers-attitude-266380/
January 22, 2011 5:56 PM
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Not a designer, care to C&P for us low lifes?
Try these:
http://www-cache.daz3d.com/sections/galleries/artwork/166/26153.jpg
http://artzone.daz3d.com/azfiles/gallery/xg/yh/t3kdi5zhgzlbqx091mau4bojvkbh8d-full.jpg
http://static.blogcritics.org/10/03/22/130099/Poser-Pro-201004.jpg
http://poser.smithmicro.com/gallery/mid/blossom2.jpg
Yeah those are pretty but I bet none of the poser dolls sold by scrapbook stores look that good. Those look more than portraits and are a far cry from the crappy poser dolls sold in scrapbook/tagger stores.
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You didn't specifically mention scrapbook or tagger stores. You just wanted pretty poser dolls and you got them.
Here's a full 'doll'
http://market.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/photos/Full84159.jpg
I would copy and paste it, but its like 7 pages long. The long and short - Shilo made some comments on a thread by Ocean Wide Designs...that CT fiasco last week. Laura Banasiak commented, and OWD had a hissy fit, because she felt LB's remark was uncalled for. It was a fine comment on the situation - and people here on the smack blog have agreed even, that LB didn't really say anything out of line. That thread died down. NEXT day - Shilo starts that thread....about designers who "make it" and their attitude changes....and while she never specifically mentions LB - its very apparent its all about her. She gets all these designers coming in saying, "oh gee, sorry that someone is treating you that way" blah blah blah, from Connie Prince and IBDD to Jayaprem...you name it. Poor poor Shilo.
Previously to that thread she had posted one about how she only made $10 during her grand opening sale. That was Dec. 1st. Since then, she was at SDD, where she only made the $10, added IL, and now closed after one month at SDD, and went to zigzag.
Her and Ocean Wide Designs, who is also a big old pal of COLS (go figure) should start a ScrapBitches club. all they do is whine, complain....and its always poor mistreated them.
which reminds me. COLS is in the Stuff to Scrap designer contest, that she got kicked out of last year in the first round. She's over there being little miss know it all , God its so pathetic.
So, you pick one thing on the list and validate your argument? How funny. As to you question, yes, I do know what it's like selling in more than one store and it's not hard work at all.
January 22, 2011 5:46 PM
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Probably because you are one of the many multi-store designers who dumps their product and runs away, not taking the time to be involved with the team and in the forum. It's plenty easy, then. And yes, I did pull one thing out of your list because I strongly disagree that it should be included in a list of "hobbyist designer" behaviors. Most people with multiple stores are trying to earn a bigger income. Not really the activity of a hobbyist designer. The fact that you put that on your list made absolutely no sense to me. Still doesn't.
Probably because you are one of the many multi-store designers who dumps their product and runs away, not taking the time to be involved with the team and in the forum. It's plenty easy, then.
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No, you'd be wrong. It's all in the organization.
Most people with multiple stores are trying to earn a bigger income. Not really the activity of a hobbyist designer. The fact that you put that on your list made absolutely no sense to me. Still doesn't.
January 22, 2011 9:41 PM
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And that's why you are a hobbyist, and not a business person. Spreading yourself too thin by setting up multiple stores does not bring in a bigger income. Concentrating on the one or two business interests you have, and building on them, that makes for a bigger income.
I don't get what people use them for, so my question remains.
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No one cares what you don't "get." There's nothing for you to "get." Therefore, your question does not require an answer, unless you wish to find one for yourself. Have at it.
What a bitch you are! Why can't someone ask a question about something they are unsure of? Who are you to decide if she needs to know or not? Crawl back down the sewer you crawled out of.
You really want to know why someone would use a poser figure?
The reason someone may use poser images is for the same reason someone else makes a nice 3D kitchen or that someone else prefers digital scrapbooking or why someone else would rather use physical paper products to scrap their pages or better yet, why someone else knits or crochets pot holders or paints or sings or plays the violin.
BECAUSE THEY ENJOY IT.
If that's not a good enough answer for you then there is truly nothing else to say on the subject.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
No need to be so rude.
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She wasn't being rude. The person asking about the validity of poser was being rude however.
January 22, 2011 5:55 PM
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She WAS being rude and now she's being a total bitch.
Where?
10:18 You still aren't answering a legitimate question asked by someone who wanted to understand HOW posers are used. Are they used for artwork to hang on a wall, tagging, posters?? If you can't come up with something that people actually USE the posers in then you should shut your rude mouth and be done with it.
What a bitch you are! Why can't someone ask a question about something they are unsure of? Who are you to decide if she needs to know or not? Crawl back down the sewer you crawled out of.
January 22, 2011 10:13 PM
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Nope, the only bitch I see here is you.
Are they used for artwork to hang on a wall, tagging, posters?? If you can't come up with something that people actually USE the posers in then you should shut your rude mouth and be done with it.
January 22, 2011 10:25 PM
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yes, yes, and yes, and so much more. Telling people to shut up is pretty rude too.
See how easy it was! If someone had just given a few examples of how posers are used in the first place it would have been nice. There was no need for any of the snarky replies to her question.
My telling her to shut her rude mouth was nowhere near as nasty as the way she was treating someone who simply asked a question.
And telling someone to crawl down a sewer was nice?
All the OP said was if you don't get it, you won't get it.
And Poser and other 3D rendering programs and the 'dolls' are also used for your average animation movie.
I'm surprised that no one mentioned that or worked it out for themselves.
^great. but how's that related to scrapbooking?
Do scrapbookers actually use them on their layouts?
Most people with multiple stores are trying to earn a bigger income. Not really the activity of a hobbyist designer. The fact that you put that on your list made absolutely no sense to me. Still doesn't.
January 22, 2011 9:41 PM
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And that's why you are a hobbyist, and not a business person. Spreading yourself too thin by setting up multiple stores does not bring in a bigger income. Concentrating on the one or two business interests you have, and building on them, that makes for a bigger income.
January 22, 2011 10:03 PM
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First of all, who said anything about me personally? How do you even know I'm a designer, and if I am, how do you know how many stores I'm in? I guess you're into making assumptions, huh? I happen to think designers who sell in multiple stores are smart if they do it well, maintain a good relationship with each store's team and customer base and don't take on more than they can handle. But "what" each person can handle is solely determined by them, their schedule, their obligations outside of work, etc. It's certainly not up to you to determine whether they are a "real" business-person or a hobbyist. As if you make all the rules and only your opinion matters. Hahaha! pretty funny, actually. Always amazed at how certain people who post here must think the world revolves according to their opinion, and their opinion alone.
^^^
I never determined anything, I merely offered my opinion, like you did. Why assume that I'm determining for everyone? I never said that.
Did you assume again? Oops, don't look now, but I think you did.
^great. but how's that related to scrapbooking?
Do scrapbookers actually use them on their layouts?
January 23, 2011 12:09 AM
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Yes, they do and no, I will not link you up. Do you own damn research if you are that interested. Geez louise.
I guess you're into making assumptions, huh?
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Oh, I forgot to address this, like you made the assumption that I was a designer who dumped product and ran? You did make that assumption, didn't you? Your hypocrisy is showing.
As if you make all the rules and only your opinion matters. Hahaha! pretty funny, actually. Always amazed at how certain people who post here must think the world revolves according to their opinion, and their opinion alone.
January 23, 2011 12:36 AM
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Like you?
Damn, I hate not having an edit function in the comments section.
Whats with CT people these days, if your going to introduce yourself as a CREATIVE member shouldnt you be ABLE to have your OWN creativity?? I could understand it if you were burnt out after yrs of doing it.
And what the hell did the designer see in her if she cant even do a layout without requesting help. She's meant to be showing us mere scrappers how its done.... I just reckon the desingers are wasting customers by making them CT...
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/scrap-talk-65/show-me-your-layouts-266955/
"Ok peeps... I need some inspiration. I have an assignment to make a layout introducing myself on a site I CT for.
So show me your layouts All About You. Anything goes as long as it's about yourself."
Whats with CT people these days,
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I see ONE, not people. What's your problem?
Are they used for artwork to hang on a wall, tagging, posters?? If you can't come up with something that people actually USE the posers in then you should shut your rude mouth and be done with it.
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What the fuck is your problem with Poser and why the fuck do you care what people use them for? Seriously. That's MY question and if you can't come up with a legitimate reason why anyone should care what you think or why you are so persistent that we tell you what we use them for, then you should shut YOUR smug fucking mouth.
^and you are making the poser-scrapping community look as trashy as the poser dolls.
I'm not the OP. I care because they keep advertising their crap at DST and I don't want to look at it. I don't think they belong in the "scrapbooking" community because I don't think I've seen a scrapbook page using one of the poser dolls. I would say we aren't interested as a whole. So the question is more about HOW are they used on scrapbook pages? Is there even a demand for the product in the digital scrapbooking industry?
I use Poser frequently for making complete images that are either a standalone piece or used in place of a photo on a layout that is about a feeling rather than a particular event.
I also use rendered poser props - flowers, arcitectural elements, etc.. for embellishments on pages. I have used heavily postworked figures as embellishments but on more fnatasy pages where a fairy or two enhances the effect I'm after.
No, I can't link you up because I don't post to online galleries.
Neither do I create kits for sale of any type.
I can see both sides of this disagreement.
Yes, Poser pieces can be incorporated into digital scrapbooking layouts.
Yes, a high percentage of the Poser pieces available for sale aren't particularily good - poor lighting is the main culprit.
I also assume that most of the poser figure pngs for sale are aimed at the tagger market rather than the scrapbooking market but as many taggers now purchase supplies from scrapbooking stores and scale them down to suit their use I don't see the harm in them being for sale in those venues.
If you want to see non-creepy (IMHO) poser "dolls" then look at:
http://www.outlawbydesign.com/
Creepy? no Sluty? yes
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anyone know where Ellie Lash/That Girl is going to? She is closing up her Sun shops at the end of the month. I'm betting 9th and Bloom.
January 22, 2011 4:48 PM
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My bet is Sugar Hill Co.
LOL she specifically asked for boys kits without gears...
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/search-100/boy-kits-266944/
I don't see the big deal in a CT member seeking inspiration - it doesn't mean she can't scrap it just means she wants to see people's 'about me' pages.
Not only that, but how do you know part of her CT duties aren't to make chit-chat kind of threads in the DST scaptalk forum to bring more attention to her siggy and the people she scraps for?
If you want to see non-creepy (IMHO) poser "dolls" then look at:
http://www.outlawbydesign.com/
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IMO, still creepy and certainly slutty. Doesn't belong on a layout about anyone in my family. It's just another example of how our society has scewed sex and body image into something that isn't realistic.
But otherwise, you provided a friendly answer. It's just not my thing...
Creepy? no Sluty? yes
January 23, 2011 11:01 AM
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I wouldn't go so far a slutty, but if that's your opinion, the average female at the beach and pool must be a slut too. And a fair few teen girls.
What the fuck is your problem with Poser and why the fuck do you care what people use them for? Seriously. That's MY question and if you can't come up with a legitimate reason why anyone should care what you think or why you are so persistent that we tell you what we use them for, then you should shut YOUR smug fucking mouth.
January 23, 2011 7:31 AM
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There was no need for that reply at all. I was on the defending end of Poser but when I see answers like yours, you just give the whole community a bad name. Like some of the people here defending the scrapping and not seeing the Poser point of view. Yes, it's a smack blog, but being uncivilized just for the sake of it is childish.
I'm not the OP. I care because they keep advertising their crap at DST and I don't want to look at it.
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Then don't look. There's a lot of crap at DST that I don't want to look at either but I really don't care enough to get my knickers in a twist. I just stopped looking.
Ok seriously I have been out of digi for a while now and wanted to make a page for my dd's room. Umm I have spent the last hour searching stores and have found nothing! WTH happened to digi? I looked at places taht USED to be good as far as I knew like Scrapbookgraphics, MScraps, Lilypad, Shabby Pickle, Cat Scraps, Scrap Orchard, man I could go on and on and I have found nothing! Any newish decent stores?
OMG I just saw a goat in a CU element pack! In fact 2 packs that have a goat ummm yeah, cuz every page needs a realistic goat! WTH? ROTFLMBO!!!
Then don't look. There's a lot of crap at DST that I don't want to look at either but I really don't care enough to get my knickers in a twist. I just stopped looking.
January 23, 2011 5:08 PM
that's a stupid answer. It's not like I can tell it's a poser thread before I click it. I like to look at DST to find new stuff. My knickers aren't in a twist. She just wanted to know why we care. That's my reason. I think it doesn't belong with scrapbooking. I just can't understand putting a half naked person on a layout with a 2 year old son.
OMG I just saw a goat in a CU element pack! In fact 2 packs that have a goat ummm yeah, cuz every page needs a realistic goat! WTH? ROTFLMBO!!!
January 23, 2011 5:29 PM
Was it a half-naked poser goat with a sultry look on its face?
And I can't see a goat on any of my layouts either.
What is wrong with people? LOL!!!
Was it a half-naked poser goat with a sultry look on its face?
And I can't see a goat on any of my layouts either.
What is wrong with people? LOL!!!
January 23, 2011 5:35 PM
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Bahahahahahahaa!!! ^^^ Why yes, yes it was! At least they are 2 different goats and not just one goat recolored badly! ROTFLMFAO!!!!!
This is Joelle's store. Most of her stuff is 3d rendered (poser).
Opinions? Can the average person use this in their scrapbooking? I think she does pretty well selling this kind of stuff.
http://www.scrappity-doo-dah.com/store/manufacturers.php?manufacturerid=16
I personally am not fond of the Poser characters that we often see left and right. There are great Poser users, and not-so-great ones. Just like some "designers" use CU in such a basic way, it is laughable, others will use them so creatively that you have a hard time recognizing the original element. Let's just enjoy the well done work, and ignore the rest.
Thoughts on Digital Artist Magazine?
There seem to be a few angry, jilted subscribers posting, but I wonder how many haven't noticed they haven't gotten a new mag or forgot they had a sub.
Is that just a risk you take in any subscription that the organization will fold and you will lose money?
DAM was undependable from the very start. There are other subscription sites that have been operating dependably for years. As with any business there are good companies and bad. I guess if you are going to invest in a subscription you need to check out the track record of the company offering it.
anybody know who owns Scrap Matters? I looked thru the site, and can't find an actual name...any help is appreciated!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ok seriously I have been out of digi for a while now and wanted to make a page for my dd's room. Umm I have spent the last hour searching stores and have found nothing! WTH happened to digi? I looked at places taht USED to be good as far as I knew like Scrapbookgraphics, MScraps, Lilypad, Shabby Pickle, Cat Scraps, Scrap Orchard, man I could go on and on and I have found nothing! Any newish decent stores?
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Did you try Oscraps? The newish stores are waste of time, just like the ones you listed.
that's a stupid answer. It's not like I can tell it's a poser thread before I click it. I like to look at DST to find new stuff. My knickers aren't in a twist. She just wanted to know why we care. That's my reason. I think it doesn't belong with scrapbooking. I just can't understand putting a half naked person on a layout with a 2 year old son.
January 23, 2011 5:33 PM
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and that's a stupid response. They aren't all half naked and yes, your knickers were in a twist and still are. You couldn't use crowns and a bunch of other stuff on layouts of your two year old son either. I don't see you going on about them.
What is wrong with people? LOL!!!
January 23, 2011 5:35 PM
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I dunno, what is wrong with you? Oh, yes, you are too damn conventional. boring.
Opinions? Can the average person use this in their scrapbooking? I think she does pretty well selling this kind of stuff.
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Probably not as the average person is boring, uncreative and stilted.
I dunno, what is wrong with you? Oh, yes, you are too damn conventional. boring.
January 23, 2011 11:13 PM
I'm boring because I don't like goats on my scrapbook layout? I'm ok with that!
I'm wondering how many dirty old goats you have used on your layout?
You couldn't use crowns and a bunch of other stuff on layouts of your two year old son either. I don't see you going on about them.
January 23, 2011 11:12 PM
Well, I have actually used a crown for that. But never a sultry half naked lady or a dirty old goat.
But if Joelle's stuff is considered poser then I stand corrected that it is all slutty. I still don't care for her stuff amd I do think it still falls into "scrapbooking". I wouldn't be annoyed if I clicked on one of her threads. Her stuff is pretty. Usually the people who create the boob baring slut posers can't even design a decent paper or other elements.
You seem pretty uptight and defensive about people disliking poser stuff. Someone's pushed a button!
IMO, still creepy and certainly slutty. Doesn't belong on a layout about anyone in my family. It's just another example of how our society has scewed sex and body image into something that isn't realistic.
But otherwise, you provided a friendly answer. It's just not my thing...
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Yup I agree. They are provocative poses that belong in a mens magazine, which brings me to my next question, why do we never see male posers in scrapbooking circles and why are the female posers always seeming to be in provocative poses or slutty clothing?
"Are they used for artwork to hang on a wall, tagging, posters?? If you can't come up with something that people actually USE the posers in then you should shut your rude mouth and be done with it.
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What the fuck is your problem with Poser and why the fuck do you care what people use them for? Seriously. That's MY question and if you can't come up with a legitimate reason why anyone should care what you think or why you are so persistent that we tell you what we use them for, then you should shut YOUR smug fucking mouth. "
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Stupid bitch! I was not the one who first asked what they were used for. I simply don't see why you can't answer the original gals legitimate question. She wasn't being rude. She just didn't know what they might be used for and asked. Why are you poser fans so loathe to even answer her question? Stupid bitches.
Goats on layouts...........
Laugh if you wish but I'm sure some people have taken their kids to farms that have goats. Didn't think of that did you.
For most of you here, scrapbooking is a page with ribbons, flowers and journaling. Well, don't be shocked, but there is something that it's called art, and you can use digital scrapbooking supplies in order to create art objects! Of course you can use your 2 years old son, for instance in a scene with dragons, castles and knights. In my opinion, scrapbooking is not all about memories and titles like "we are a happy family", "I love my son". In my opinion, the scrappers that only scrap family photos and events, repeating constantly "we are happy, we love each other, I am so lucky to have such a wonderful family" etc etc, have two problems:
a) they aren't pretty sure about their choises and they need to convince themselves that they have chosen the right thing to do (e.g. giving up their career), and
b)as Americans (who, as we all know, are people with no history), they feel the need to document their life, as if it was something meaningful for the generations to come.
I dunno, what is wrong with you? Oh, yes, you are too damn conventional. boring.
January 23, 2011 11:13 PM
I'm boring because I don't like goats on my scrapbook layout? I'm ok with that!
I'm wondering how many dirty old goats you have used on your layout?
January 23, 2011 11:52 PM
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The OP probably used dirty goats licking dirty Poser sluts all over their over-exposed boobies. And no it's not zoophilia, it's Art!
Some people love to come here and say nasty things, just because they want to see themselves smacked around, don't they?
Sorry but I'm just not gonna feed the masochist in you.
b)as Americans (who, as we all know, are people with no history), they feel the need to document their life, as if it was something meaningful for the generations to come.
January 24, 2011 3:23 AM
WOW someone is looking for a fight. You have only proven that you are an uneducated idiot.
Well, don't be shocked, but there is something that it's called art, and you can use digital scrapbooking supplies in order to create art objects! Of course you can use your 2 years old son, for instance in a scene with dragons, castles and knights. In my opinion,
Granted this might be a true statement but the majority of SCRAPBOOKERS are creating memories for their families and not art for their walls though scrapbooking on canvas has also been a popular mode of scrapbooking. I would bet that all the majority of CT making those fantasy/artsy LOs are not including them in their memory books. I love looking at them. I think there are some really talented gals out there but honestly if you want art go to a gallery site. You obviously feel a need to bash those who live in America. Does that include South too? No history-oh my I wondered why they taught us US history in school.
oh sheesh, you fantasy and poser people need to get over yourselves. Some will create layouts that are actually works of art. Some are just kidding themselves and produce nothing more than a digital piece of crap. You think your stuff is so great and belongs in a museum because you put a baby that isn't even yours on a lilypad. It all looks the same.
like "we are a happy family", "I love my son". In my opinion, the scrappers that only scrap family photos and events, repeating constantly "we are happy, we love each other, I am so lucky to have such a wonderful family" etc etc, have two problems:
a) they aren't pretty sure about their choises and they need to convince themselves that they have chosen the right thing to do (e.g. giving up their career), and
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aren't you a pleasant ray of sunshine?
So fantasy layouts NEVER contain, "I love you"? UM wrong! I've seen MANY of them. Again, with a stolen picture of a baby hanging in a sack. I think it's creepy to create artwork that says "I love you" to a baby that you don't even know.
b)as Americans (who, as we all know, are people with no history), they feel the need to document their life, as if it was something meaningful for the generations to come.
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True that our history only goes back to 1776.
It's unfortunate that we can't trace our great, great..... grandparents back to the time that they were starving serfs in some god forsaken fiefdom located in an equally non descriptive country that no longer holds any kind of presence on the world stage.
Oh yes, that's the type of shit I really wish I could scrapbook.
So fantasy layouts NEVER contain, "I love you"? UM wrong! I've seen MANY of them. Again, with a stolen picture of a baby hanging in a sack. I think it's creepy to create artwork that says "I love you" to a baby that you don't even know.
January 24, 2011 8:00 AM
^And many don't even own the copyright to their artwork to get it published or displayed in a B&M gallery. They don't own the rights to the picture! Some work of "art"!
anybody know who owns Scrap Matters? I looked thru the site, and can't find an actual name...any help is appreciated!
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Use the "contact us" link in the bottom of FORUM page. Her name is Andrea.
one of those recent works of art put their kid in a bird cage. creepy.
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thank you so much :)
More "basic" scripts:
http://digitalscrapworld.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=937
$3.00! sigh
Goats on layouts...........
Laugh if you wish but I'm sure some people have taken their kids to farms that have goats. Didn't think of that did you.
January 24, 2011 2:33 AM
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Actually I did think of that but figured if they'd be scrapping a picture of their kid at a farm and they wanted to scrap that their kid saw a goat they would probably already have the goat in the picture. (thus not needing an extracted goat) But meh I'm just your average scrapper.
It just struck me as odd, scrolling through products for personal use for the average scrapper and bam, a goat, bam another goat!!!
The OP probably used dirty goats licking dirty Poser sluts all over their over-exposed boobies. And no it's not zoophilia, it's Art!
January 24, 2011 3:34 AM
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My, my, my, you do have issues, don't you?
Why are you poser fans so loathe to even answer her question? Stupid bitches.
January 24, 2011 2:25 AM
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Actually, you are the stupid one, the question has already been answered and more than once.
I find it ironic that so many of you who are slamming poser dolls etc and go on about family values and traditional scrap pages are the ones that are screaming 'bitch', 'slut', etc.
Actually I did think of that but figured if they'd be scrapping a picture of their kid at a farm and they wanted to scrap that their kid saw a goat they would probably already have the goat in the picture. (thus not needing an extracted goat) But meh I'm just your average scrapper.
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No different from having pumpkins all over a layout on a picture of a kid in a pumpkin patch.
^And many don't even own the copyright to their artwork to get it published or displayed in a B&M gallery. They don't own the rights to the picture! Some work of "art"!
January 24, 2011 8:18 AM
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And many do own the copyrights. Who pushed your buttons today?
You seem pretty uptight and defensive about people disliking poser stuff. Someone's pushed a button!
January 23, 2011 11:59 PM
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Yep, I loathe ignorance, it pushes my buttons every single time.
a) they aren't pretty sure about their choises and they need to convince themselves that they have chosen the right thing to do (e.g. giving up their career), and
b)as Americans (who, as we all know, are people with no history), they feel the need to document their life, as if it was something meaningful for the generations to come.
January 24, 2011 3:23 AM
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That was completely unnecessary on all levels.
oh sheesh, you fantasy and poser people need to get over yourselves. Some will create layouts that are actually works of art. Some are just kidding themselves and produce nothing more than a digital piece of crap. You think your stuff is so great and belongs in a museum because you put a baby that isn't even yours on a lilypad. It all looks the same.
January 24, 2011 7:51 AM
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The same can be said of scrapbookers too. No need to be so insular. If it's crap, it's crap, doesn't matter if it's 3D art, scrap art, or whatever the heck it is.
SugarHill co is having a designer call. I'm very torn about if I should apply or not. It looks like a cute store with great designers and the pay is the highest I've seen (90% comission if you are exclusive). However, I have big issues with the owner, Miss Tiina. I know she used to copy vectores from stock photos and I'm till not sure she is reformed and if her products are legit. Thoughts, anyone?
SugarHill co is having a designer call. I'm very torn about if I should apply or not. It looks like a cute store with great designers and the pay is the highest I've seen (90% comission if you are exclusive). However, I have big issues with the owner, Miss Tiina. I know she used to copy vectores from stock photos and I'm till not sure she is reformed and if her products are legit. Thoughts, anyone?
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Plenty of people here have issues with her. Personally I wouldn't come to a smack blog to get advice on whether to apply to a call. If you have questions about a store owner, there's no reason to apply to a call. If you're curious, apply. I know plenty of people who would be more than able not apply to the SBG call because they don't like how it's run.
If you've got doubts, don't do it. I had doubts about a store once, went ahead anyway, and left it after two months. A few months further down the road, the store closed up, but the owner told customers that they were 'renovating' and would be up and running again. It never happened.
I know she used to copy vectores from stock photos and I'm till not sure she is reformed and if her products are legit. Thoughts, anyone?
January 24, 2011 7:10 PM
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Considering that she caught on more than one occasion, I'd say your doubts are well placed.
Where is her CT on this? His and Her?
http://ozone.oscraps.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18979
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