Well, that's the craft world (not only the digiscrapland)! On the one hand there are truly awesome talented designers that share their knownledge for free, because they know that that's the way that thing grow and the ideas evolve, and on the other hand there are people that think they sell even the Arial Font...
so I got another laugh today courtesy of COLS. She is always entering designer contests and then dropping out when she gets poor results in the voting. She was in the designer darling contest at Stuff to Scrap. Got 4 whole votes, LOL. Writes in their forum today, that she only entered because she was in it last year (got the boot in round one last year), and wanted to see what happened this year...and besides, her hubby got a call that the doctor can do his knee surgery now, so she wouldn't have time...oh man....LOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOL when will she learn that she just can't design?????
At the first glance, it didn't look like a cupcake to me...
Well, I am not sure what *you* were thinking, LOL, but with that positioning it looks a lot like a birds nest. If you think creatively that could be a beak coming out of the centre. Or not. :P
I didn't get the Meg of OceanWideDesigns hate before - but I guess I hadn't spent enough time at DST lately. She is driving me nuts now. That is one full of herself designer.
At least she can create her own dot pattern rather than having to buy CU like many designers. How's that faking it? I think it's more of a fake to buy a designer's CU dot papers and recolor then call yourself a designer.
considering that Meg aka OceanWide Designs has been designing less than 6 months....LOL...yeah. Full of herself is putting it nicely. She's a snotty brat know it all - and when she's wrong? Tries to throw it back in YOUR face and not take blame. She's a liar on top of everything else. I've seen her type in so many different ailments she supposedly has on different forums, that by all rights, she should be dead by now. Couple that with her freindship with COLS, and well....
Even the grey scale overlay is just dots. Something every digi designer creates and not unique to Delicious Scraps.
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You're right - polka dots are not unique to Delicious Scraps. However, when you look at the overlay in question http://mommyandwife2011.blogspot.com/2011/01/3-dot-overlay.html
Then compare it to a freebie from Delicious Scraps - http://www.deliciousscraps.com/2009/08/free-commercial-use-paper-templates.html - that has the exact same sized dots...same number...same placement...only the shades of gray are different and it's a png instead of a layered psd...
...And then factor in that she's got a link to Delicious Scraps blog on her blog and has used freebies from her before and it does make you stop and wonder.
I know that doesn't necessarily mean she's taken Declicous Scraps overlay and is now giving it out as her own or that it can even be proved one way or the other but there are just enough coincidences that can make it look like that.
But Delicious Scrap states that the overlays are made using her paper action. Could the other one have used the same action to end up with the same result without actually be using the overlay?
Contact Delicious Scraps and see if she thinks it is a copy. I doubt she will because most designers know that polka dots don't have a copyright. I can find 50 other designers that have used that same dot pattern and they would be like, "Who's Delicious Scraps?"
She's a PSP user so she's not running any actions. ------ Some PSP users have a copy of PSE or Photoshop they use for actions, just like some Photoshop users have a copy of PSP to run scripts. One is not exclusive of the other.
agreed on the Ocean Wide thing. I see she posted in the DCR for a coupon swap for her 11 person CT....and the only one that answered is COLS. go figure.
Hey morons, she linked to the tutorial she used. Her results look the same as the tutorial. It sucks to have to justify everything she does when she really hasn't pirated or done anything wrong other than be a newbie.
Mommy's dots are much larger and closer together. The vertical rows are the same color.
Delicious Scrap's dots alternate both on the horizon and on the vertical. The dots are smaller and closer together. ----------------------------------- Are we looking at different things. Delicious Scrap's dots do not alternate on the vertical. And if you count the dots they are identical.
You're right - polka dots are not unique to Delicious Scraps. However, when you look at the overlay in question http://mommyandwife2011.blogspot.com/2011/01/3-dot-overlay.html
Then compare it to a freebie from Delicious Scraps - http://www.deliciousscraps.com/2009/08/free-commercial-use-paper-templates.html - that has the exact same sized dots...same number...same placement...only the shades of gray are different and it's a png instead of a layered psd...
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I really think you are making more out of this than is really there. She is a beginner designer. How hard is it for someone to put dots on paper? Especially as basic as this, I am sure she just didn't even think about it. It is rows of dots. Really?
For once, just give this poor lady a break. And stop grasping at straws.
Then compare it to a freebie from Delicious Scraps - http://www.deliciousscraps.com/2009/08/free-commercial-use-paper-templates.html - that has the exact same sized dots...same number...same placement...only the shades of gray are different and it's a png instead of a layered psd...
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Delicious' Dots are much larger and closer together than the other person's dots. I don't think it even looks the same and I like the newbie's dots better.
YES, they DO alternate on the vertical & horizontal and the DOTS are smaller! -------------------------------- Well, this is a different link than the one posted previously so we were indeed looking at different things.
But really who cares if either of these are just like Monmmy's. Both Mommy's and the identical one by Delicious are free. They probably followed the same tutorial. Then Delicious changed hers up a bit for the one that she is actually selling.
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Why?
She is using a tutorial to create CU product. Anyone can follow a tutorial and make the same paper. The fact that designers would pay $$$ for something so basic is beyond me.
Back in 2003/2004 designers were given breaks as they were learning their programs. Designers coming into the market in 2011 have to be better prepared than that. They can not expect nor will they get the same consideration.
She is using a tutorial to create CU product. Anyone can follow a tutorial and make the same paper. So? The lady is not selling it. Why is it her fault if people are too lazy to follow the tutorial themselves and use her freebie instead?
The fact that designers would pay $$$ for something so basic is beyond me. I agree with you on that. Still, it doesn't make it the lady's fault. Yet you use it as the reason to bash her.
Coming into the market? She's giving it away for FREE not selling it. She learning and giving freebies as she learns - what the hell is wrong with that?
You have to take what is said on this blog with a grain of salt. Anonymous blogs are not something to get worked up about. I put no credibility to what is being said by anyone (including myself) on this blog.
I come to check-in and this is the discussion? We've hit an all time low. Seriosly. It's dots. If she's copying, then everyone in digi is copying each other.
Really? we're back to bashing this poor girl again? Must be a slow day. I hope she becomes an amazing designer!
January 26, 2011 10:55 AM
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I agree with you. What's with the hatred of that specific girl? Give it a rest people. A little empathy please. Would you liked to be bashed all the time? Your nasty comments really affect some people's life, think about it.
I bet it is only one person carrying this on. I think sometimes someone posts and replies to their own post like they are someone else. This is just too silly to be taken seriously.
Opinions on the magazine thread at DST. Let's hear some honest opinions on digital magazines.
She is using a tutorial to create CU product. Anyone can follow a tutorial and make the same paper. The fact that designers would pay $$$ for something so basic is beyond me.
Back in 2003/2004 designers were given breaks as they were learning their programs. Designers coming into the market in 2011 have to be better prepared than that. They can not expect nor will they get the same consideration.
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So you think it is YOUR responsibility to tell her the "facts" and in a sense "teach" her a lesson?
It is no ones responsibility to judge anyone. She is not hurting anyone. She is not forcing you to buy or even download her stuff for free. So why are you (you collectively) so personally insulted? Just leave her alone and let her do what makes her happy, no matter what quality you deem it to be.
I agree with you. What's with the hatred of that specific girl? Give it a rest people. A little empathy please. Would you liked to be bashed all the time? Your nasty comments really affect some people's life, think about it.
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I don't see any hatred, what's with the exaggeration?
Anyone who is effected by what a bunch of strangers says about them has problems.
MSA is closing their doors 2/1 unless they find a buyer. Who were the key players at MSA and where are they going?
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Old news. The site was run by Gina Miller and Traci Murphy. Traci 'recently' closed down Funky Playground, which she co-owned with Corinna Nielsen. Traci and Corinna then went to ScrapArtist, where Gina had also started to sell. It then closed down.
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What the hell are you talking about?
She is giving away freebies and tutorials, so yes, we can judge her on her product and that's all I see. I don't see anyone personally bashing her, just her product.
Geez louise, I wish you some of you could tell the difference. Bashing a product is not bashing the designer.
MSA is closing their doors 2/1 unless they find a buyer. ----
This is the second time in three months or so that the site has come up for sale. The 'discount' price is probably due to no takers by the end of November, or was it December, which was their first deadline.
The site has been dead and dying for well over 18 months.
She is giving away freebies and tutorials, so yes, we can judge her on her product and that's all I see. I don't see anyone personally bashing her, just her product.
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But why her product? There's so many other new designers out there that aren't getting picked on like this.
Someone seems to have something personal against her or she wouldn't be here every time she posts on her blog.
And I believe that initial advertising included wanting to know how she could sell her kits and be a guest designer. The girl needs to learn to crawl before she starts running marathons but she seems to have an "any idiot and me" can do it attitude.
But she took the advice given and is starting with some basic stuff and tutorials. So I'm not sure why there's still a problem and what was wrong with asking for advice at DST to begin with? God forbid someone not know something and then ask a question.
So I'm not sure why there's still a problem and what was wrong with asking for advice at DST to begin with? God forbid someone not know something and then ask a question.
January 26, 2011 10:41 PM
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The problem is that she is offering tutorials, and she barely knows what she is doing. God forbid someone actually learning something before offering their very limited knowledge.
The problem is that she is offering tutorials, and she barely knows what she is doing. God forbid someone actually learning something before offering their very limited knowledge. ________
Well, as she is learning, she is sharing her knowledge (even if according to you, it's a very limited knowledge). I think it's nice for the other newbies out there. Not a lot of designers these days are willing to share tutorials without asking money in return these days.
How could you be such a fool? You clearly have absolutely no knowledge of the English Vocabulary. So you aren't qualified to even post a sentence until you learn more. Maybe I should stalk you on your blog and post every single mistake you make right here on this smack blog for all to see!
Well, as she is learning, she is sharing her knowledge (even if according to you, it's a very limited knowledge). I think it's nice for the other newbies out there. Not a lot of designers these days are willing to share tutorials without asking money in return these days.
January 27, 2011 1:57 AM
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One of the techniques that I use in my classes is to have the students teach other students what they have learned. If they can teach it, they really have learned it.
I'm not sure why anyone is saying she has no knowledge. She uses PSP but followed a photoshop tutorial. That's not easy for someone who knows absolutely nothing about a program. She has to know something about the program.
Is everyone bored silly? You are sounding like children picking on the new kid at school. So what if a newbie has a blog and is sharing freebies and writing tutorials about how she did it. At least she is learning, doing something productive, and sharing her knowledge. I know this sounds like a broken record but... if you don't like it, don't go to her blog. If she asks a question at DST, don't read the posts. Here you are gossiping about some poor person who has nothing to do with you and isn't causing a problem to anyone at all. I love a good gab fest about someone who has done wrong. But this is just utterly ridiculous!
Why in the world would a designer just include another designers elements in their kit. Do they think no one will notice? That is not just piracy it is plain stupidity.
Once they are found out, why keep denying it? It makes people look so stupid when they deny the obvious. Think Bill Clinton, the little kid with chocolate all over their face.
I guess this just goes to show that pirates are not all that smart anyway!
WV: packer Hasta La Vista pirates. Pack her up and ship her out!
How could you be such a fool? You clearly have absolutely no knowledge of the English Vocabulary. So you aren't qualified to even post a sentence until you learn more. Maybe I should stalk you on your blog and post every single mistake you make right here on this smack blog for all to see!
Is everyone bored silly? You are sounding like children picking on the new kid at school. So what if a newbie has a blog and is sharing freebies and writing tutorials about how she did it. At least she is learning, doing something productive, and sharing her knowledge. I know this sounds like a broken record but... if you don't like it, don't go to her blog. If she asks a question at DST, don't read the posts. Here you are gossiping about some poor person who has nothing to do with you and isn't causing a problem to anyone at all. I love a good gab fest about someone who has done wrong. But this is just utterly ridiculous!
January 27, 2011 12:27 PM
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Right. How about following your own advice, don't like it, don't read it. Simple.
I think it's nice for the other newbies out there. Not a lot of designers these days are willing to share tutorials without asking money in return these days.
January 27, 2011 1:57 AM
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okay then. However, when I want to learn something, I want to learn something new, not something rehashed from elsewhere.
Here is what I think. If a designer is going to pirate, she should not have TOU's against pirating. So you are a pirate. Do you need to be a hypocrite too??
Right. How about following your own advice, don't like it, don't read it. Simple. ----------------------------- In a good debate you do not come back at someone with what they said to you. It doesn't show much originality.
Traci has been at Oscraps since FPD closed down and Corinna is at Sugarhill Co and My Memories. -------------------------------- Traci is at My Memories too. Ouch on Sugarhilll, that is where Miss Tiina is. Another designer who manages to stay in the industry even though she has been a proven copy right violator.
I didn't really have a look at My Memories, interesting that Traci is there as well. I don't think Corinna is active at Sugarhill, the last product was uploaded in October or something.
Who posted for PBP, Carolyn? I thought Annette owned PBP. I think the whole thing is very badly handled. I understand why it was done, I just think it could have been done better.
I've never read Artisan Notebook, but it looks like Debb Cozzi either owns it or is in charge of it. I can't stand that hard-assed bitch. I'll never give her a dime of my money.
I've never read Artisan Notebook, but it looks like Debb Cozzi either owns it or is in charge of it. I can't stand that hard-assed bitch. I'll never give her a dime of my money.
Who posted for PBP, Carolyn? I thought Annette owned PBP. I think the whole thing is very badly handled. I understand why it was done, I just think it could have been done better.
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How do you think it should have been handled? It seems to me that they tried their hardest to resolve it with the owner of Scrap Bird before coming to the DCR. Other stores have gone public - this at least is still private.
I've never read Artisan Notebook, but it looks like Debb Cozzi either owns it or is in charge of it. I can't stand that hard-assed bitch. I'll never give her a dime of my money.
January 27, 2011 8:16 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ bit hard nosed, the artisan notebook is very informative and has great contributors..... why hate just one of the founders?
I am one who's very happy they posted the Scrapbird fiasco in the public forum. I hate when pirates just disappear without being outed to everyone. Although, they just change their username, buy a new domain and start the same piracy all over again.
Oh was it posted publicly too? I only read the thread in the DCR.
At any rate, I don't understand why 'It's the same old pirate stories.' is a reason to not care. It keeps happening and we need to keep making it public - if we don't it will happen even more.
Er, coz it's just not interesting. It's like hearing about all those dopes involved in Ponzi Schemes. It's only of interset to those effected, which isn't me.
I forgot to add, that the two designers at PBP bitching about the pirating, probably pirated the original elements in the first place. I know I've seen them before.
What you do if you found that a designer at a top store (one that has been mentioned a couple of days ago as such) has used for a kit of hers two extracted images of two works of art by an artist that sells his products through e-shops (like etsy and others). I have already contacted the artist (and it's not the first time that such thing happens - but the other times it was from designers/shops that have no good fame). The product is no longer for sale. Do you think that it deserves/needs to go public? The funny thing is that the forum of this store has a sticky thread about their zero tollerance over piracy from scrappers and designers!
^^^ The product has already been removed. My guess is that the original artist contacted just the designer not the store owner. The only reason that I don't want to publish the link to the original artist is because some other "designers" will find the perfect resource for their right-click-save-extract teqnique! Sure they can find it elsewhere, but I don't want it to be me. And to answer your question: no, it's not. A few posts down in the list, but it is still a top store, with lots of original designers.
Anonymous said... I forgot to add, that the two designers at PBP bitching about the pirating, probably pirated the original elements in the first place. I know I've seen them before.
January 28, 2011 3:39 AM
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They both scan or photograph their own items and then extract them.
Anonymous said... And to answer your question: no, it's not. A few posts down in the list, but it is still a top store, with lots of original designers.
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'kay I have no clue, as I don't believe in top stores, or everyone else's idea of a top store. Most of them are CRAP, without a lick of originality!
January 28, 2011 5:31 AM
I am the OP. I agree with you. For me most vintage things are the same, but others like them, what can I tell? The store I am talking about has many designers with their own particular style, like hand drawned elements that are characteristic of a certain designer.
Do the maths: An online class: Regular prize: $86.00, now on sale:$68.80. Class Size: 1000 - more than HALF of the spots are filled as of 1/25/11 Not bad... Maybe I should become a tutor too!
They both scan or photograph their own items and then extract them.
and a lot of photographed items seen in many kits today have copyright or TMs to them so just because someone scans something doesn't mean it's legal!! Scanning fabrics for textures for example isn't always legal as most fabrics if not all fabrics hold a copyright. If you scan a pair of jeans for a denim texture, the jeans were made by a company that has a TM.
If a designer produces all digital stuff by designing it through a program, then you can probably bet everything in that case is legal. Too darn many people just want to have that "real" look to it so now everybody and their brother is running around their house photographing anything and everything.
Do you think that it deserves/needs to go public? The funny thing is that the forum of this store has a sticky thread about their zero tollerance over piracy from scrappers and designers!
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No, you should not. It is no longer any of your business. The reason is that you don't own the image and you don't know for sure where the digi designer got the product from. It is possible that they purchased it from a CU source without knowing the CU designer stole it. It has happened before. But also since you are a 3rd party, it is really none of your business beyond reporting it to the original photographer. They get to decide if they want to make it public or not AND they may not want in the middle of the digi drama. You need to respect their privacy as well as their copyright!
A good way around it is a post reminding designers that they can't steal images off of etsy. They need to ask permission! I'm willing to bet that many will say it's ok or take a small fee for the use of the photograph.
Scanning fabrics for textures for example isn't always legal as most fabrics if not all fabrics hold a copyright. If you scan a pair of jeans for a denim texture, the jeans were made by a company that has a TM.
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WRONG! You can't trademark or copyright a texture. If that were the case Levi's would be the only one make denim jeans. Cotton weaves would be made by one company. And bolt fabrics are a raw material intended for commerical/resale use.
A floral pattern can be copyrighted but most of them are using Dover (even in the fabric industry) so they have a limit on that as well.
"bit hard nosed, the artisan notebook is very informative and has great contributors..... why hate just one of the founders?"
Who said anything about hate? I can't stand her, that's not the same as hating her.
"On the old days, it would have been called cutting off your nose to spite your face."
No it wouldn't. That phrase implies that I'm somehow harming myself or involved in self-destructive behavior. I don't see anything self-destructive about not buying that magazine. I'm just being thoughtful about where my money goes.
WRONG! You can't trademark or copyright a texture. If that were the case Levi's would be the only one make denim jeans. Cotton weaves would be made by one company. And bolt fabrics are a raw material intended for commerical/resale use.
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OH Good! I was really worried about my Grandma violating some fabric company's copyright because she is selling a quilt in an auction for charity.
Seriously, people! Get a grip. You're a bunch of copyright Nazis! But you really don't know what is and isn't covered under copyright! It seems that digi falls under 2 extremes. It isn't yours unless you dye, weave, create, photograph and extract it yourself. Or it's mine because I think it should be ok to use it. Both are wrong. But it's also not entirely black and white.
If you are unsure if you can use something, contact the manufacturer/creator/photographer and get permission. Don't just swipe it. But also know what isn't covered under copyright/trademark/patent (do you KNOW the difference? the person's saying denim is copyrighted doesn't!) so you don't look like a fool making up the rules to make it harder and more confusing for everyone.
I am looking for some GOOD papers, with texture and depth and color and worn looking etc, who would you say is the queen of papers? I love the realistic look in elements but it seems like those type of designers cannot make nice papers, just take a picture of wood or a brick wall and call it a paper. I thought Jen Wilson's papers were nice but she isn't selling anymore that I can find.
Seriously, people! Get a grip. You're a bunch of copyright Nazis! But you really don't know what is and isn't covered under copyright! It seems that digi falls under 2 extremes. It isn't yours unless you dye, weave, create, photograph and extract it yourself. Or it's mine because I think it should be ok to use it. Both are wrong. But it's also not entirely black and white. ---------
I forgot to add that there have been cases of people assuming someone stole an image. I remember when Rachel Young was accused of stealing ribbon people from an Etsy designer, when it turned out that Rachel had permission to sell the images.
Ellie Lash is leaving SUN, but doesn't have a new store lined up? That seems strange.
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This was just a matter of time. You have to know SUN is failing when the store owner doesn't even sell there.
Another store that went 'forced exclusive' in a desperate move to stay afloat that is still not afloat ... because they didn't address the cause just a symptom.
I love all the know it alls on this Blog. If I believed whatever one states they know be it copyright, etc, I'd be in BIG trouble. So who has a law degree? Who is a Copyright/Patent Attorney? who works in the Patent Office? Copyright Office? any of the above?
If you are not one of the above, you know nothing. Anyone can read the law, but understanding it in detail is another thing altogether so quit making out like you know what you all are talking about. Even different attorneys will tell you two different things. It's not as simple as you make it out to be.
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Er, coz it's just not interesting. It's like hearing about all those dopes involved in Ponzi Schemes. It's only of interset to those effected, which isn't me.
Are you kidding me? When you take your own photos, you can recognize your own work for sure and you always have the original photos as a proof. These pirates are so stupid if they think someone can't recognize their own work. Als
Are you kidding me? When you take your own photos, you can recognize your own work for sure and you always have the original photos as a proof. These pirates are so stupid if they think someone can't recognize their own work. Als
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You totally missed the point, didn't you? Anyone can create a screen shot, it's not proof of ownership, duh!
Did you miss the point? Not being interested in crap copyright disputes, pirating and idiots who get caught in similar shit does not make me self centered. It makes me bored with watching the continual beating of a dead horse.
I can't believe you said self centered MUCH, how the hell old are you? 15? I bet you say peeps too.
Well, I actually do, so I guess I do know what I"m talking about, don't I?
Well great! If we knew who you were we could go to you to find out the truth about it all but since you are just anonymous, it's kind of hard to know which one you in the midst of all the other so called experts!
sheesh. All you have to do is go read the copyright website. It's not like it's written in Latin or anything. They make it pretty clear what is covered and what isn't. And they also state if you aren't sure, just ask the original creator. But I think digi copyright nazis ignore the derative works part of copyright laws way too often because they can't handle that grey area. It's people who haven't read the law and are trying to make it all black and white who are posting stupid things like common place textures being trademarked. Unfortunately the grey areas haven't been in court yet in relation to digital scrapbooking so the answers are still an unknown.
Do designers ever get tired of playing by the rules when so many don't?
I came across this chic's ebay listings for digital scrapbooking kits. She's selling Disney, Care Bears, Cabbage Patch, etc. And of course, the kits are selling. What to do??
Ok, wow. I sent that chic a question via an ebay account (a new one that I made up) pretending to be a potential buyer and asking her if she has the copyright. I told her I was worried about buying it. OMG - here is her response.
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to answer your question yes i am aware of the copyright laws. i do see it all over the internet and just do what i can. They do give a warning before prosecution so if i ever got introuble or warned i would quit selling. the internet is full of stuff in the digital world being sold. I would hate to be prosecuted for my designs and creativty that so many people love. I try and cover myself and make sure i tell people these are for personal use only no commercial use. I hope i answered ur question. i have sold over 1000 disney scrapbooks and i plan to continue until something is said. thanks again for your interest
Do designers ever get tired of playing by the rules when so many don't?
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I get tired of playing at all. I'm not interested in not playing by the rules but shit like this makes me want to just walk away from the entire industry.
So she can steal from the companies and sell but is supposedly protecting her customers by not allowing them to use it for commercial use. I get it now. It all makes sense.
She's going to get a big slap in the face when they sue her for damages without WARNING!
And you can bet she's been caught already and just set up a new ebay acount. She doesn't have enough feedback to have sold 1000s.
You can report her to ebay. She can't sell a digital download. She has to ship it on disk.
I also turned her in to Ebay but fat chance anything will happen there. I can't believe they let this shit happen. I also emailed two other women selling Disney and asked them if they had permission to sell.
This pisses me off so much more than a designer pirating a string - although that's pretty low too. But this shit on ebay is one reason our kits won't sell. We play by the rules and make pennies.
I have been reporting her for 2.5 years both to Disney and to Ebay. Nothing happens. ________________________________
Then I'm calling Disney on Monday and asking them what the fuck is up with them. Cause if they don't care, then I'm going to start making some incredible Disney kits of my own, lol. No I won't, but I sure do feel like it.
This is the automated reply I received from them tonight. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Thank you for your correspondence. We want you to know that we appreciate the time you took to bring this matter to our attention. We protect our intellectual property rights vigorously and we take reports of suspected infringement seriously. However, as you can appreciate, investigations are confidential.We neither reveal our sources nor generally correspond further with them about any investigations.
Please feel free to use our email address tips@disneyantipiracy.com or our Antipiracy voice mail hotline, 818-560-3300, if you want to provide more information about the suspected infringement or to report a suspected infringement in the future.
Thanks. I'll let you know what I find out. This is 'in your face' copyright infringement and yet she gets away with it. I'm at a loss. It makes the time people spend on here looking to see 'if a string is the same string as another designer may or may not have scanned' such a waste of time. We're nit picking specks of dust when there are people using boulders out there.
That's a cumbersome analogy, but it's the best I can do when I'm this pissed.
I've been pissed for 2.5 years. I'm really bitter and would love to see her go down in a law suit. I think Ebay should be sued by Disney too because they allowed it to continue even after it has been reported and reported and .....
maybe you all are going about this Disney complaint stuff the wrong way. Instead of complaining to a dept that obviously doesn't care, go to the legal dept in charge of licensing and tell them you want a cottage industry license like the people on Ebay have because you're going to start selling digital kits, too. If they say the people o Ebay don't have a ottage industry license (which we know they don't have) just say "Oh, okay, that's good because I really can't afford much." ...and continue on and say, "So as long as I make less than $1000 or 2000.00 from your images, then it must be okay, right? Because those people on Ebay probably make about that much. Thank you so much!"
Either you are a moral individual and you know what you create is legal and you play by the rules or you don't play by the rules and karma is a bitch. Don't belive in Karma? Too Bad I do and I've seen the bad get what's coming to them time and time again. May take awhile but it happens. If you continue to stress over what everyone else is doing wrong, you'll never feel the joy in doing what is right and you'll probably drop dead of a heart attack. Ok so maybe that's going a bit far but honestly do you really care THAT much about what others do and stress over the things you can't control. This Disney pirating stuff gets really old so I guess that means there is nothing else really interesting to put out there but come on people it's BORING!!!!!!
I didn't realize this blog was meant to only entertain you. So sorry.
You don't have to get all religious on us either. Karma doesn't work. I know too many people that did terrible things until the day they dies. They thought the world owed them something.
I want to know what happens too, when you call that is. I have gotten that email before, but there was never a phone number listed, that I can remember. So if they actually answer, let us know and I will call too!
^ Oh ye of little wit. Read the sentence again with sarcasm. "I didn't realize this blog was meant to ONLY entertain YOU."
Of course it's meant to be entertaining. It just isn't going to entertain every visitor every time. Some people clearly like talking about the Disney violations and find it entertaining. And others hate the discussion. Too bad for them.
Wow! This is my first post ever on this blog and I have been following it for more than a year now, hoping to learn something that can help me to be a better designer!
Anyway, please enough with this exhausting Disney copyright issue! I can't understand how you care so much to bother to write and report what you find wrong! Anyway, this is up to you, but it isn't interesting to us at all! Everybody knows copying Disney's images is a huge no no!!! Let's please get back to what do you want in a kit, what is that designers do that you don't like, what are the best stores to sell around (please be specific!!!) anything hat can help us to be better designers and to look for the good stores to sell at!!!
Inspiration Lane is closing. It's a pity because I liked that store. I hope that there is no drama behind the scenes!
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According to their last 2 newsletters they are signed with a new web host and the site is going to be down whilst the switch over takes effect. Not heard anything about it closing for business [although every time I go for a look in the store there are fewer and fewer designers there].
What is it with all the stores closing? Whatever happened to selling the site or passing it on to someone who has the time, energy, resources to run it?
I have just returned to the digi scrap world after a complete break of about 2 years. After looking around in an attempt to get back in the loop, I cannot believe the change in DST. When I left it was so busy, but now there is hardly any activity, it seems. What has happened?? Can someone fill me in please? Is there a new site where all the old faces have jumped ship (a bit like when DST started and everyone came over from 2Peas...?)
I am just an average scrapper, not a designer. I am not active on any CT's, although I have been in the past. I am not active in any "scrapbook community", I don't post on the message boards, and I don't post my layouts online anymore. I read the Digi boards for entertainment, and am constantly amazed at what people share on the internet. I freely admit to reading the scrapbook smack blogs, it is a guilty pleasure.
You can email me at: DSTHallofFame@gmail.com
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Where is her CT on this? His and Her?
http://ozone.oscraps.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18979
January 24, 2011 9:19 PM
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Sorry, I don't know what your question is.
Hmm, pay for it:
http://www.oscraps.com/shop/product.php?productid=26150&cat=289&page=4
or get it free, including quotes:
http://celesterockwood-jones.typepad.com/designwashrinserepeat/2009/02/freebie-fortune.html
Personally I would have His and Hers but I guess it depends on how you "read it". That cup is HIS, that cup is HERS. or HIS cup, HER cup.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/new-digital-products-33/new-new-wildwood-village-full-kit-267175/
never saw "chubby" fairy posers before....
Hmm, pay for it:
http://www.oscraps.com/shop/product.php?productid=26150&cat=289&page=4
or get it free, including quotes:
http://celesterockwood-jones.typepad.com/designwashrinserepeat/2009/02/freebie-fortune.html
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Aren't those just circles?
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Hmm, pay for it:
http://www.oscraps.com/shop/product.php?productid=26150&cat=289&page=4
or get it free, including quotes:
http://celesterockwood-jones.typepad.com/designwashrinserepeat/2009/02/freebie-fortune.html
January 24, 2011 9:48 PM
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Well, that's the craft world (not only the digiscrapland)! On the one hand there are truly awesome talented designers that share their knownledge for free, because they know that that's the way that thing grow and the ideas evolve, and on the other hand there are people that think they sell even the Arial Font...
http://www.e-scapeandscrap.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=8433
At the first glance, it didn't look like a cupcake to me...
^it did to me.
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http://www.e-scapeandscrap.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=8433
At the first glance, it didn't look like a cupcake to me...
After reading all the cat fighting on here about nothing as usual. This actually made me laugh. Thanks for making my day.
so I got another laugh today courtesy of COLS. She is always entering designer contests and then dropping out when she gets poor results in the voting. She was in the designer darling contest at Stuff to Scrap. Got 4 whole votes, LOL. Writes in their forum today, that she only entered because she was in it last year (got the boot in round one last year), and wanted to see what happened this year...and besides, her hubby got a call that the doctor can do his knee surgery now, so she wouldn't have time...oh man....LOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOL when will she learn that she just can't design?????
http://www.e-scapeandscrap.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=8433
At the first glance, it didn't look like a cupcake to me...
Well, I am not sure what *you* were thinking, LOL, but with that positioning it looks a lot like a birds nest. If you think creatively that could be a beak coming out of the centre. Or not. :P
Aren't those just circles?
January 25, 2011 12:33 PM
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Yes, but it's not about the circles, it's about the idea.
At the first glance, it didn't look like a cupcake to me...
January 25, 2011 12:43 PM
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^it did to me.
January 25, 2011 5:48 PM
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Yes, it looked like a cupcake, but one that was decorated with doggy do. The angle of the photograph is all wrong.
Some people will criticize anything. It looks like a cupcake with a chocolate kiss on top.
I dislike the quote "love me some cupcake." Sounds like something my 2yo would say.
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Right, some people will criticize anything.
I dislike the quote "love me some cupcake." Sounds like something my 2yo would say.
January 25, 2011 10:55 PM
It's ghetto.
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And?
I hate seeing "name my kit and win it" posts - seriously - if you can't name your own damn kit, then don't design
January 24, 2011 9:37 PM
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It's called a promotional tool. Duh!
Some people will criticize anything. It looks like a cupcake with a chocolate kiss on top.
I dislike the quote "love me some cupcake." Sounds like something my 2yo would say.
January 25, 2011 10:55 PM
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Oh, the irony.
I didn't get the Meg of OceanWideDesigns hate before - but I guess I hadn't spent enough time at DST lately. She is driving me nuts now. That is one full of herself designer.
http://mommyandwife2011.blogspot.com/2011/01/3-dot-overlay.html
Wow. Now she's taking the work of Delicious Scraps and pretending she created it. A case of fake it 'til you make it?
Since when does Delicious Scraps own the rights to polka dot paper? If that's the case EVERY designer has taken her work.
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I think the OP is probably referring to the greyscale overlay, not the polka dot paper.
Even the grey scale overlay is just dots. Something every digi designer creates and not unique to Delicious Scraps.
At least she can create her own dot pattern rather than having to buy CU like many designers. How's that faking it? I think it's more of a fake to buy a designer's CU dot papers and recolor then call yourself a designer.
Really? we're back to bashing this poor girl again? Must be a slow day. I hope she becomes an amazing designer!
considering that Meg aka OceanWide Designs has been designing less than 6 months....LOL...yeah. Full of herself is putting it nicely. She's a snotty brat know it all - and when she's wrong? Tries to throw it back in YOUR face and not take blame. She's a liar on top of everything else. I've seen her type in so many different ailments she supposedly has on different forums, that by all rights, she should be dead by now. Couple that with her freindship with COLS, and well....
Even the grey scale overlay is just dots. Something every digi designer creates and not unique to Delicious Scraps.
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You're right - polka dots are not unique to Delicious Scraps. However, when you look at the overlay in question http://mommyandwife2011.blogspot.com/2011/01/3-dot-overlay.html
Then compare it to a freebie from Delicious Scraps - http://www.deliciousscraps.com/2009/08/free-commercial-use-paper-templates.html - that has the exact same sized dots...same number...same placement...only the shades of gray are different and it's a png instead of a layered psd...
...And then factor in that she's got a link to Delicious Scraps blog on her blog and has used freebies from her before and it does make you stop and wonder.
I know that doesn't necessarily mean she's taken Declicous Scraps overlay and is now giving it out as her own or that it can even be proved one way or the other but there are just enough coincidences that can make it look like that.
But Delicious Scrap states that the overlays are made using her paper action. Could the other one have used the same action to end up with the same result without actually be using the overlay?
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She's a PSP user so she's not running any actions.
Contact Delicious Scraps and see if she thinks it is a copy. I doubt she will because most designers know that polka dots don't have a copyright. I can find 50 other designers that have used that same dot pattern and they would be like, "Who's Delicious Scraps?"
She's a PSP user so she's not running any actions.
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Some PSP users have a copy of PSE or Photoshop they use for actions, just like some Photoshop users have a copy of PSP to run scripts. One is not exclusive of the other.
It's not even close.
Mommy's dots are much larger and closer together. The vertical rows are the same color.
Delicious Scrap's dots alternate both on the horizon and on the vertical. The dots are smaller and closer together.
agreed on the Ocean Wide thing. I see she posted in the DCR for a coupon swap for her 11 person CT....and the only one that answered is COLS. go figure.
They must have copied their polka dots from this one:
http://www.gottapixel.net/store/product.php?productid=30247&cat=13&page=1
Hey morons, she linked to the tutorial she used. Her results look the same as the tutorial. It sucks to have to justify everything she does when she really hasn't pirated or done anything wrong other than be a newbie.
That should read, "It sucks for her to..."
It's not even close.
Mommy's dots are much larger and closer together. The vertical rows are the same color.
Delicious Scrap's dots alternate both on the horizon and on the vertical. The dots are smaller and closer together.
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Are we looking at different things. Delicious Scrap's dots do not alternate on the vertical. And if you count the dots they are identical.
http://www.deliciousscrapshop.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=67_68&products_id=451
YES, they DO alternate on the vertical & horizontal and the DOTS are smaller!
Plus she posted the tutorial that she used.
You're right - polka dots are not unique to Delicious Scraps. However, when you look at the overlay in question http://mommyandwife2011.blogspot.com/2011/01/3-dot-overlay.html
Then compare it to a freebie from Delicious Scraps - http://www.deliciousscraps.com/2009/08/free-commercial-use-paper-templates.html - that has the exact same sized dots...same number...same placement...only the shades of gray are different and it's a png instead of a layered psd...
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I really think you are making more out of this than is really there. She is a beginner designer. How hard is it for someone to put dots on paper? Especially as basic as this, I am sure she just didn't even think about it. It is rows of dots. Really?
For once, just give this poor lady a break. And stop grasping at straws.
Then compare it to a freebie from Delicious Scraps - http://www.deliciousscraps.com/2009/08/free-commercial-use-paper-templates.html - that has the exact same sized dots...same number...same placement...only the shades of gray are different and it's a png instead of a layered psd...
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Delicious' Dots are much larger and closer together than the other person's dots. I don't think it even looks the same and I like the newbie's dots better.
http://www.deliciousscrapshop.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=67_68&products_id=451
YES, they DO alternate on the vertical & horizontal and the DOTS are smaller!
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Well, this is a different link than the one posted previously so we were indeed looking at different things.
http://www.deliciousscraps.com/2009/08/free-commercial-use-paper-templates.html
http://www.deliciousscrapshop.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=67_68&products_id=451
these are two different overlays.
But really who cares if either of these are just like Monmmy's. Both Mommy's and the identical one by Delicious are free. They probably followed the same tutorial. Then Delicious changed hers up a bit for the one that she is actually selling.
For once, just give this poor lady a break. And stop grasping at straws.
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Why?
She is using a tutorial to create CU product. Anyone can follow a tutorial and make the same paper. The fact that designers would pay
$$$ for something so basic is beyond me.
Back in 2003/2004 designers were given breaks as they were learning their programs. Designers coming into the market in 2011 have to be better prepared than that. They can not expect nor will they get the same consideration.
She is using a tutorial to create CU product. Anyone can follow a tutorial and make the same paper.
So? The lady is not selling it. Why is it her fault if people are too lazy to follow the tutorial themselves and use her freebie instead?
The fact that designers would pay $$$ for something so basic is beyond me.
I agree with you on that. Still, it doesn't make it the lady's fault. Yet you use it as the reason to bash her.
Coming into the market? She's giving it away for FREE not selling it. She learning and giving freebies as she learns - what the hell is wrong with that?
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Not a darn thing! Why are people bashing someone giving away freebies??
You have to take what is said on this blog with a grain of salt. Anonymous blogs are not something to get worked up about. I put no credibility to what is being said by anyone (including myself) on this blog.
Polka dots now, seriously?
Why are people bashing someone giving away freebies??
January 26, 2011 4:50 PM
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I only saw ONE person supposedly bashing, not sure where the people part came in.
However, there were people bashing OWD/Meg again.
I come to check-in and this is the discussion? We've hit an all time low. Seriosly. It's dots. If she's copying, then everyone in digi is copying each other.
Isn't there some real piracy going on?
Really? we're back to bashing this poor girl again? Must be a slow day. I hope she becomes an amazing designer!
January 26, 2011 10:55 AM
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I agree with you. What's with the hatred of that specific girl? Give it a rest people. A little empathy please. Would you liked to be bashed all the time? Your nasty comments really affect some people's life, think about it.
Isn't there some real piracy going on?
January 26, 2011 5:20 PM
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Apparently, Scrapbird store has a few pirate designers.
Let me come back with more infos...
I bet it is only one person carrying this on. I think sometimes someone posts and replies to their own post like they are someone else. This is just too silly to be taken seriously.
Opinions on the magazine thread at DST. Let's hear some honest opinions on digital magazines.
Link to magazine thread:
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/scrap-talk-65/magazines-267085/
Is the Artisan Notebook all that?
Is Hummies site as good as she says?
I personally have the Autumn issue of Somerset Digital Magazine and I like it. Lots of eye candy and creative collage layouts.
I don't know anything about the online digital magazines.
Is this the only digi smack blog out there?
MSA is closing their doors 2/1 unless they find a buyer. Who were the key players at MSA and where are they going?
Didn't Traci Murphy close something else down lately - or am I imagining things?
Oh - and for anyone who hasn't seen the link:
http://www.myscrapbookart.com/forums/announcement.php?f=12
She is using a tutorial to create CU product. Anyone can follow a tutorial and make the same paper. The fact that designers would pay
$$$ for something so basic is beyond me.
Back in 2003/2004 designers were given breaks as they were learning their programs. Designers coming into the market in 2011 have to be better prepared than that. They can not expect nor will they get the same consideration.
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So you think it is YOUR responsibility to tell her the "facts" and in a sense "teach" her a lesson?
It is no ones responsibility to judge anyone. She is not hurting anyone. She is not forcing you to buy or even download her stuff for free. So why are you (you collectively) so personally insulted? Just leave her alone and let her do what makes her happy, no matter what quality you deem it to be.
I agree with you. What's with the hatred of that specific girl? Give it a rest people. A little empathy please. Would you liked to be bashed all the time? Your nasty comments really affect some people's life, think about it.
January 26, 2011 5:33 PM
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I don't see any hatred, what's with the exaggeration?
Anyone who is effected by what a bunch of strangers says about them has problems.
MSA is closing their doors 2/1 unless they find a buyer. Who were the key players at MSA and where are they going?
January 26, 2011 7:15 PM
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Old news. The site was run by Gina Miller and Traci Murphy. Traci 'recently' closed down Funky Playground, which she co-owned with Corinna Nielsen. Traci and Corinna then went to ScrapArtist, where Gina had also started to sell. It then closed down.
Is this the only digi smack blog out there?
January 26, 2011 6:44 PM
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Why? They are all the same.
It is no ones responsibility to judge anyone.
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What the hell are you talking about?
She is giving away freebies and tutorials, so yes, we can judge her on her product and that's all I see. I don't see anyone personally bashing her, just her product.
Geez louise, I wish you some of you could tell the difference. Bashing a product is not bashing the designer.
MSA is closing their doors 2/1 unless they find a buyer.
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This is the second time in three months or so that the site has come up for sale. The 'discount' price is probably due to no takers by the end of November, or was it December, which was their first deadline.
The site has been dead and dying for well over 18 months.
She is giving away freebies and tutorials, so yes, we can judge her on her product and that's all I see. I don't see anyone personally bashing her, just her product.
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But why her product? There's so many other new designers out there that aren't getting picked on like this.
Someone seems to have something personal against her or she wouldn't be here every time she posts on her blog.
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Not necessarily. It's not always a conspiracy or something personal. She just happened to advertise at DST in such a way that made her stand out.
And I believe that initial advertising included wanting to know how she could sell her kits and be a guest designer. The girl needs to learn to crawl before she starts running marathons but she seems to have an "any idiot and me" can do it attitude.
But she took the advice given and is starting with some basic stuff and tutorials. So I'm not sure why there's still a problem and what was wrong with asking for advice at DST to begin with? God forbid someone not know something and then ask a question.
And I believe that initial advertising
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So posting a question in the "Scrap Talk" forum is advertising?
So I'm not sure why there's still a problem and what was wrong with asking for advice at DST to begin with? God forbid someone not know something and then ask a question.
January 26, 2011 10:41 PM
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The problem is that she is offering tutorials, and she barely knows what she is doing. God forbid someone actually learning something before offering their very limited knowledge.
So posting a question in the "Scrap Talk" forum is advertising?
January 26, 2011 10:47 PM
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So I used the wrong word, sheesh.
The problem is that she is offering tutorials, and she barely knows what she is doing. God forbid someone actually learning something before offering their very limited knowledge.
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Well, as she is learning, she is sharing her knowledge (even if according to you, it's a very limited knowledge). I think it's nice for the other newbies out there. Not a lot of designers these days are willing to share tutorials without asking money in return these days.
So I used the wrong word, sheesh.
January 26, 2011 11:56 PM
How could you be such a fool? You clearly have absolutely no knowledge of the English Vocabulary. So you aren't qualified to even post a sentence until you learn more. Maybe I should stalk you on your blog and post every single mistake you make right here on this smack blog for all to see!
Well, as she is learning, she is sharing her knowledge (even if according to you, it's a very limited knowledge). I think it's nice for the other newbies out there. Not a lot of designers these days are willing to share tutorials without asking money in return these days.
January 27, 2011 1:57 AM
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One of the techniques that I use in my classes is to have the students teach other students what they have learned. If they can teach it, they really have learned it.
I'm not sure why anyone is saying she has no knowledge. She uses PSP but followed a photoshop tutorial. That's not easy for someone who knows absolutely nothing about a program. She has to know something about the program.
Is everyone bored silly? You are sounding like children picking on the new kid at school. So what if a newbie has a blog and is sharing freebies and writing tutorials about how she did it. At least she is learning, doing something productive, and sharing her knowledge. I know this sounds like a broken record but... if you don't like it, don't go to her blog. If she asks a question at DST, don't read the posts. Here you are gossiping about some poor person who has nothing to do with you and isn't causing a problem to anyone at all. I love a good gab fest about someone who has done wrong. But this is just utterly ridiculous!
Anonymous said...
Isn't there some real piracy going on?
January 26, 2011 5:20 PM
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Apparently, Scrapbird store has a few pirate designers.
Let me come back with more infos...
January 26, 2011 6:23 PM
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is this what you were hinting about?
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/scrap-talk-65/another-store-owner-covers-designer-caught-pirating-267382-new/
Why in the world would a designer just include another designers elements in their kit. Do they think no one will notice? That is not just piracy it is plain stupidity.
Once they are found out, why keep denying it? It makes people look so stupid when they deny the obvious. Think Bill Clinton, the little kid with chocolate all over their face.
I guess this just goes to show that pirates are not all that smart anyway!
WV: packer Hasta La Vista pirates. Pack her up and ship her out!
I think the store owner shot herself in the foot on this one. It may be hard to recover unless she has a following that doesn't know about DST.
How could you be such a fool? You clearly have absolutely no knowledge of the English Vocabulary. So you aren't qualified to even post a sentence until you learn more. Maybe I should stalk you on your blog and post every single mistake you make right here on this smack blog for all to see!
January 27, 2011 7:55 AM
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Go right ahead. Feel free. Knock yourself out.
I'm not sure why anyone is saying she has no knowledge.
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No one said that. They said limited. Not the same.
Is everyone bored silly? You are sounding like children picking on the new kid at school. So what if a newbie has a blog and is sharing freebies and writing tutorials about how she did it. At least she is learning, doing something productive, and sharing her knowledge. I know this sounds like a broken record but... if you don't like it, don't go to her blog. If she asks a question at DST, don't read the posts. Here you are gossiping about some poor person who has nothing to do with you and isn't causing a problem to anyone at all. I love a good gab fest about someone who has done wrong. But this is just utterly ridiculous!
January 27, 2011 12:27 PM
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Right. How about following your own advice, don't like it, don't read it. Simple.
I think it's nice for the other newbies out there. Not a lot of designers these days are willing to share tutorials without asking money in return these days.
January 27, 2011 1:57 AM
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okay then. However, when I want to learn something, I want to learn something new, not something rehashed from elsewhere.
I find it funny that people come to a smack blog and then tell everyone to stop the smack.
What is wrong with this picture?
okay then. However, when I want to learn something, I want to learn something new, not something rehashed from elsewhere.
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Then go somewhere else and stop talking about this!
She never forced you to read anything. But you (you collectively) took it upon yourselves to say something and make a big stinking deal out of it!
Just leave it alone now. This has been hashed out so much. Just everyone shut up already!
Let's move on!
Anyone know of other pirating instances. I know we have talked about copyright and trademark infringements, but what about pirating?
Here is what I think. If a designer is going to pirate, she should not have TOU's against pirating. So you are a pirate. Do you need to be a hypocrite too??
Right. How about following your own advice, don't like it, don't read it. Simple.
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In a good debate you do not come back at someone with what they said to you. It doesn't show much originality.
Speaking of MSA...
Where is Corinna and Traci? They haven't updated their blogs in a while. Are they totally stepping away from digiscrapping?
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/scrap-talk-65/magazines-267085/
Is the Artisan Notebook all that?
Is Hummies site as good as she says?
I personally have the Autumn issue of Somerset Digital Magazine and I like it. Lots of eye candy and creative collage layouts.
I don't know anything about the online digital magazines.
She never forced you to read anything. But you (you collectively) took it upon yourselves to say something and make a big stinking deal out of it!
Just leave it alone now. This has been hashed out so much. Just everyone shut up already!
Let's move on!
Anyone know of other pirating instances. I know we have talked about copyright and trademark infringements, but what about pirating?
January 27, 2011 2:27 PM
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The only people making a big deal out of it are people like you.
Pirating? Oh please, yawn, not again.
In a good debate you do not come back at someone with what they said to you. It doesn't show much originality.
January 27, 2011 3:12 PM
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Right, and this does?
Where is Corinna and Traci? They haven't updated their blogs in a while. Are they totally stepping away from digiscrapping?
January 27, 2011 3:14 PM
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Traci has been at Oscraps since FPD closed down and Corinna is at Sugarhill Co and My Memories.
In a good debate
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Yes, in a good debate, this is not a good debate.
Then go somewhere else and stop talking about this!
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Why don't you if it bothers you so much?
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/scrap-talk-65/magazines-267085/
Is the Artisan Notebook all that?
Is Hummies site as good as she says?
I personally have the Autumn issue of Somerset Digital Magazine and I like it. Lots of eye candy and creative collage layouts.
I don't know anything about the online digital magazines.
January 27, 2011 3:21 PM
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You posted this twice.
If you liked the Somerset Digital mag, you might also like Altered Hearts, which is available at DS.
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Yes, I know. Just trying to divert the conversation.
Traci has been at Oscraps since FPD closed down and Corinna is at Sugarhill Co and My Memories.
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Traci is at My Memories too. Ouch on Sugarhilll, that is where Miss Tiina is. Another designer who manages to stay in the industry even though she has been a proven copy right violator.
I didn't really have a look at My Memories, interesting that Traci is there as well. I don't think Corinna is active at Sugarhill, the last product was uploaded in October or something.
I think many designers have turned to photography.
Very few replies to the Scrapbird thread. Piracy just doesn't shock us anymore. We are getting immune to it.
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Who posted for PBP, Carolyn? I thought Annette owned PBP. I think the whole thing is very badly handled. I understand why it was done, I just think it could have been done better.
Responders refered to the poster as Carolyn. Maybe she is managing or co-owning PBP? Annette goes by Fazzbech i think.
I've never read Artisan Notebook, but it looks like Debb Cozzi either owns it or is in charge of it. I can't stand that hard-assed bitch. I'll never give her a dime of my money.
Annette goes by Fazzbech i think.
January 27, 2011 8:11 PM
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She does, but not when she is posting on behalf of PBP.
I've never read Artisan Notebook, but it looks like Debb Cozzi either owns it or is in charge of it. I can't stand that hard-assed bitch. I'll never give her a dime of my money.
January 27, 2011 8:16 PM
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Well good for you.
Who posted for PBP, Carolyn? I thought Annette owned PBP. I think the whole thing is very badly handled. I understand why it was done, I just think it could have been done better.
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How do you think it should have been handled? It seems to me that they tried their hardest to resolve it with the owner of Scrap Bird before coming to the DCR. Other stores have gone public - this at least is still private.
They posted it in Scrap Talk today.
I have no opinion on how it was handled. I don't really care. It's the same old pirate stories. yawn.
Other stores have gone public - this at least is still private.
January 27, 2011 9:55 PM
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It's not private, that post is in a public place. I'm not a member of the DCR and I could see that thread.
Very few replies to the Scrapbird thread. Piracy just doesn't shock us anymore. We are getting immune to it.
January 27, 2011 6:23 PM
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What are you expecting? Seriously? The general digi population to weigh in and scream the usual things they scream about. What's the point in that?
I've never read Artisan Notebook, but it looks like Debb Cozzi either owns it or is in charge of it. I can't stand that hard-assed bitch. I'll never give her a dime of my money.
January 27, 2011 8:16 PM
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bit hard nosed, the artisan notebook is very informative and has great contributors..... why hate just one of the founders?
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On the old days, it would have been called cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I am one who's very happy they posted the Scrapbird fiasco in the public forum. I hate when pirates just disappear without being outed to everyone. Although, they just change their username, buy a new domain and start the same piracy all over again.
Oh was it posted publicly too? I only read the thread in the DCR.
At any rate, I don't understand why 'It's the same old pirate stories.' is a reason to not care. It keeps happening and we need to keep making it public - if we don't it will happen even more.
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Er, coz it's just not interesting. It's like hearing about all those dopes involved in Ponzi Schemes. It's only of interset to those effected, which isn't me.
I forgot to add, that the two designers at PBP bitching about the pirating, probably pirated the original elements in the first place. I know I've seen them before.
What you do if you found that a designer at a top store (one that has been mentioned a couple of days ago as such) has used for a kit of hers two extracted images of two works of art by an artist that sells his products through e-shops (like etsy and others). I have already contacted the artist (and it's not the first time that such thing happens - but the other times it was from designers/shops that have no good fame). The product is no longer for sale. Do you think that it deserves/needs to go public? The funny thing is that the forum of this store has a sticky thread about their zero tollerance over piracy from scrappers and designers!
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I wouldn't be surprised. Wait until the original artist contacts you before you do anything.
Oh, let's guess, could it be SBG?
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The product has already been removed. My guess is that the original artist contacted just the designer not the store owner.
The only reason that I don't want to publish the link to the original artist is because some other "designers" will find the perfect resource for their right-click-save-extract teqnique! Sure they can find it elsewhere, but I don't want it to be me.
And to answer your question: no, it's not. A few posts down in the list, but it is still a top store, with lots of original designers.
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I forgot to add, that the two designers at PBP bitching about the pirating, probably pirated the original elements in the first place. I know I've seen them before.
January 28, 2011 3:39 AM
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They both scan or photograph their own items and then extract them.
Proof of this was posted in the DCR.
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Yeah, right, like a screen shot is proof.
And to answer your question: no, it's not. A few posts down in the list, but it is still a top store, with lots of original designers.
January 28, 2011 4:38 AM
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'kay I have no clue, as I don't believe in top stores, or everyone else's idea of a top store. Most of them are CRAP, without a lick of originality!
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And to answer your question: no, it's not. A few posts down in the list, but it is still a top store, with lots of original designers.
January 28, 2011 4:38 AM
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'kay I have no clue, as I don't believe in top stores, or everyone else's idea of a top store. Most of them are CRAP, without a lick of originality!
January 28, 2011 5:31 AM
I am the OP. I agree with you. For me most vintage things are the same, but others like them, what can I tell?
The store I am talking about has many designers with their own particular style, like hand drawned elements that are characteristic of a certain designer.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/products/showphoto.php?photo=84067&cat=all&limit=last1
Do the maths:
An online class:
Regular prize: $86.00, now on sale:$68.80.
Class Size: 1000 - more than HALF of the spots are filled as of 1/25/11
Not bad... Maybe I should become a tutor too!
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That is the advantage of online classes: i could not imagine ANY tracher having a class of 1000 real life students!
tracher = teacher (typo)
They both scan or photograph their own items and then extract them.
and a lot of photographed items seen in many kits today have copyright or TMs to them so just because someone scans something doesn't mean it's legal!! Scanning fabrics for textures for example isn't always legal as most fabrics if not all fabrics hold a copyright. If you scan a pair of jeans for a denim texture, the jeans were made by a company that has a TM.
If a designer produces all digital stuff by designing it through a program, then you can probably bet everything in that case is legal. Too darn many people just want to have that "real" look to it so now everybody and their brother is running around their house photographing anything and everything.
Do you think that it deserves/needs to go public? The funny thing is that the forum of this store has a sticky thread about their zero tollerance over piracy from scrappers and designers!
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No, you should not. It is no longer any of your business. The reason is that you don't own the image and you don't know for sure where the digi designer got the product from. It is possible that they purchased it from a CU source without knowing the CU designer stole it. It has happened before. But also since you are a 3rd party, it is really none of your business beyond reporting it to the original photographer. They get to decide if they want to make it public or not AND they may not want in the middle of the digi drama. You need to respect their privacy as well as their copyright!
A good way around it is a post reminding designers that they can't steal images off of etsy. They need to ask permission! I'm willing to bet that many will say it's ok or take a small fee for the use of the photograph.
Scanning fabrics for textures for example isn't always legal as most fabrics if not all fabrics hold a copyright. If you scan a pair of jeans for a denim texture, the jeans were made by a company that has a TM.
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WRONG! You can't trademark or copyright a texture. If that were the case Levi's would be the only one make denim jeans. Cotton weaves would be made by one company. And bolt fabrics are a raw material intended for commerical/resale use.
A floral pattern can be copyrighted but most of them are using Dover (even in the fabric industry) so they have a limit on that as well.
@ January 28, 2011 8:08 AM
You are right. I got carried away with all that Scrapbird thing.
"bit hard nosed, the artisan notebook is very informative and has great contributors..... why hate just one of the founders?"
Who said anything about hate? I can't stand her, that's not the same as hating her.
"On the old days, it would have been called cutting off your nose to spite your face."
No it wouldn't. That phrase implies that I'm somehow harming myself or involved in self-destructive behavior. I don't see anything self-destructive about not buying that magazine. I'm just being thoughtful about where my money goes.
WRONG! You can't trademark or copyright a texture. If that were the case Levi's would be the only one make denim jeans. Cotton weaves would be made by one company. And bolt fabrics are a raw material intended for commerical/resale use.
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OH Good! I was really worried about my Grandma violating some fabric company's copyright because she is selling a quilt in an auction for charity.
Seriously, people! Get a grip. You're a bunch of copyright Nazis! But you really don't know what is and isn't covered under copyright! It seems that digi falls under 2 extremes. It isn't yours unless you dye, weave, create, photograph and extract it yourself. Or it's mine because I think it should be ok to use it. Both are wrong. But it's also not entirely black and white.
If you are unsure if you can use something, contact the manufacturer/creator/photographer and get permission. Don't just swipe it. But also know what isn't covered under copyright/trademark/patent (do you KNOW the difference? the person's saying denim is copyrighted doesn't!) so you don't look like a fool making up the rules to make it harder and more confusing for everyone.
Ellie Lash is leaving SUN, but doesn't have a new store lined up? That seems strange.
she has her own store.
Who says she doesn't have another store lined up? Maybe she just isn't ready to reveal where she's going.
She said it on her recent blog post.
I am looking for some GOOD papers, with texture and depth and color and worn looking etc, who would you say is the queen of papers? I love the realistic look in elements but it seems like those type of designers cannot make nice papers, just take a picture of wood or a brick wall and call it a paper. I thought Jen Wilson's papers were nice but she isn't selling anymore that I can find.
http://www.storeide.se/gunhild/Scrapbooking6.htm
http://www.storeide.se/gunhild/Scrapbooking3.htm
Some worn overlays - free
If you scan a pair of jeans for a denim texture, the jeans were made by a company that has a TM.
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Wrong! the style of the jean would certainly come under copyright, but the texture of the jean, unless it was unique, would not.
No it wouldn't. That phrase implies that I'm somehow harming myself or involved in self-destructive behavior.
January 28, 2011 10:15 AM
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No, that phrase doesn't. Look it up.
I am looking for some GOOD papers, with texture and depth and color and worn looking etc, who would you say is the queen of papers?
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Sherrie JD at DS makes great papers, but sadly she doesn't seem to sell them separately. She paints a lot of them from scratch and then scans them in.
Seriously, people! Get a grip. You're a bunch of copyright Nazis! But you really don't know what is and isn't covered under copyright! It seems that digi falls under 2 extremes. It isn't yours unless you dye, weave, create, photograph and extract it yourself. Or it's mine because I think it should be ok to use it. Both are wrong. But it's also not entirely black and white.
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Amen to that!
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I forgot to add that there have been cases of people assuming someone stole an image. I remember when Rachel Young was accused of stealing ribbon people from an Etsy designer, when it turned out that Rachel had permission to sell the images.
Another store bites the dust - My Life and Scrap is closing down
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Never heard of it.
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where did you hear that?? about MLAS....hook me up!
I saw it on their Fan Page on Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/#!/MyLifeAndScrap
Ellie Lash is leaving SUN, but doesn't have a new store lined up? That seems strange.
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This was just a matter of time. You have to know SUN is failing when the store owner doesn't even sell there.
Another store that went 'forced exclusive' in a desperate move to stay afloat that is still not afloat ... because they didn't address the cause just a symptom.
I love all the know it alls on this Blog. If I believed whatever one states they know be it copyright, etc, I'd be in BIG trouble. So who has a law degree? Who is a Copyright/Patent Attorney? who works in the Patent Office? Copyright Office? any of the above?
If you are not one of the above, you know nothing. Anyone can read the law, but understanding it in detail is another thing altogether so quit making out like you know what you all are talking about. Even different attorneys will tell you two different things. It's not as simple as you make it out to be.
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Er, coz it's just not interesting. It's like hearing about all those dopes involved in Ponzi Schemes. It's only of interset to those effected, which isn't me.
January 28, 2011 3:37 AM
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wow! Self-centered much!
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Yeah, right, like a screen shot is proof.
January 28, 2011 5:29 AM
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Are you kidding me? When you take your own photos, you can recognize your own work for sure and you always have the original photos as a proof. These pirates are so stupid if they think someone can't recognize their own work. Als
wow! Self-centered much!
January 28, 2011 9:15 PM
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And? Your point?
Are you kidding me? When you take your own photos, you can recognize your own work for sure and you always have the original photos as a proof. These pirates are so stupid if they think someone can't recognize their own work. Als
January 28, 2011 9:20 PM
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You totally missed the point, didn't you? Anyone can create a screen shot, it's not proof of ownership, duh!
who works in the Patent Office? Copyright Office? any of the above?
If you are not one of the above, you know nothing.
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Well, I actually do, so I guess I do know what I"m talking about, don't I?
wow! Self-centered much!
January 28, 2011 9:15 PM
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Did you miss the point? Not being interested in crap copyright disputes, pirating and idiots who get caught in similar shit does not make me self centered. It makes me bored with watching the continual beating of a dead horse.
I can't believe you said self centered MUCH, how the hell old are you? 15? I bet you say peeps too.
This was just a matter of time. You have to know SUN is failing when the store owner doesn't even sell there.
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Didn't someone on this blog say that mgl Scraps owned SUN, so, she doesn't or what?
Well, I actually do, so I guess I do know what I"m talking about, don't I?
Well great! If we knew who you were we could go to you to find out the truth about it all but since you are just anonymous, it's kind of hard to know which one you in the midst of all the other so called experts!
sheesh. All you have to do is go read the copyright website. It's not like it's written in Latin or anything. They make it pretty clear what is covered and what isn't. And they also state if you aren't sure, just ask the original creator. But I think digi copyright nazis ignore the derative works part of copyright laws way too often because they can't handle that grey area. It's people who haven't read the law and are trying to make it all black and white who are posting stupid things like common place textures being trademarked. Unfortunately the grey areas haven't been in court yet in relation to digital scrapbooking so the answers are still an unknown.
morning without coffee=me not able to spell. LOL!
*Derivative Works
Do designers ever get tired of playing by the rules when so many don't?
I came across this chic's ebay listings for digital scrapbooking kits. She's selling Disney, Care Bears, Cabbage Patch, etc. And of course, the kits are selling. What to do??
http://myworld.ebay.com/frogjunkie27/
Ok, wow. I sent that chic a question via an ebay account (a new one that I made up) pretending to be a potential buyer and asking her if she has the copyright. I told her I was worried about buying it. OMG - here is her response.
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to answer your question yes i am aware of the copyright laws. i do see it all over the internet and just do what i can. They do give a warning before prosecution so if i ever got introuble or warned i would quit selling. the internet is full of stuff in the digital world being sold. I would hate to be prosecuted for my designs and creativty that so many people love. I try and cover myself and make sure i tell people these are for personal use only no commercial use. I hope i answered ur question. i have sold over 1000 disney scrapbooks and i plan to continue until something is said. thanks again for your interest
shannon
- frogjunkie27
Do designers ever get tired of playing by the rules when so many don't?
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I get tired of playing at all. I'm not interested in not playing by the rules but shit like this makes me want to just walk away from the entire industry.
So she can steal from the companies and sell but is supposedly protecting her customers by not allowing them to use it for commercial use. I get it now. It all makes sense.
She's going to get a big slap in the face when they sue her for damages without WARNING!
And you can bet she's been caught already and just set up a new ebay acount. She doesn't have enough feedback to have sold 1000s.
You can report her to ebay. She can't sell a digital download. She has to ship it on disk.
I would like to read her answer to "Exactly how are you being creative when you are using Disney's images?" This crap pisses me off to no end.
You can report her to ebay. She can't sell a digital download. She has to ship it on disk.
January 29, 2011 10:57 PM
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Where does it say that? I can't find that clause on Ebay.
She's going to get a big slap in the face when they sue her for damages without WARNING!
And you can bet she's been caught already and just set up a new ebay acount.
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I doubt it. She's been a seller with them since July 2003.
Oh, this is funny:
Papers are 12x12 300dpi in jpg * Embellishments are in png format.
Graphics are in png format but NOT 300Dpi
I guess it's a little too hard to up graphics swiped off the net at 72DPI to 300DPI, without losing some quality.
Where does it say that? I can't find that clause on Ebay.
January 29, 2011 11:11 PM
It's probably PayPal and not Ebay. I reported her for trademark infringment.
I doubt it. She's been a seller with them since July 2003.
January 29, 2011 11:12 PM
Then I don't believe she has sold 1000. But if she has, they have a decent law suit for damages. I really wish Disney would crack down on this.
I wrote her back and asked her if she thinks its right to do something illegal simply because others do it.
I then did a search and found pages of disney kits from other 'designers'. So I sent this link to Disney:
http://crafts.shop.ebay.com/Digital-Scrapbooking-/103481/i.html?_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A1%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A4697&rt=nc&_nkw=disney&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1513&_pgn=2
I also turned her in to Ebay but fat chance anything will happen there. I can't believe they let this shit happen. I also emailed two other women selling Disney and asked them if they had permission to sell.
This pisses me off so much more than a designer pirating a string - although that's pretty low too. But this shit on ebay is one reason our kits won't sell. We play by the rules and make pennies.
Ribbontales has been reported repeatedly and NEVER gets shut down. I just can't believe it!!!
Here's another one - ribbontales. Look at her store on ebay, it's filled with Disney.
http://stores.ebay.com/RLR-Creations_DIGITAL-SCRAPBOOKING/_i.html?_fsub=3&_sid=90219295&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322
And here's her blog - does anyone know her?
http://rlrcreations.blogspot.com/
I have been reporting her for 2.5 years both to Disney and to Ebay. Nothing happens.
Ribbontales has been reported repeatedly and NEVER gets shut down. I just can't believe it!!!
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Maybe we all need to start sending her a few message/questions? Such as "Are you a licensed reseller for Disney?"
I have been reporting her for 2.5 years both to Disney and to Ebay. Nothing happens.
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Then I'm calling Disney on Monday and asking them what the fuck is up with them. Cause if they don't care, then I'm going to start making some incredible Disney kits of my own, lol. No I won't, but I sure do feel like it.
This is the automated reply I received from them tonight.
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Thank you for your correspondence. We want you to know that we appreciate the time you took to bring this matter to our attention. We protect our intellectual property rights vigorously and we take reports of suspected infringement seriously. However, as you can appreciate, investigations are confidential.We neither reveal our sources nor generally correspond further with them about any investigations.
Please feel free to use our email address tips@disneyantipiracy.com or our Antipiracy voice mail hotline, 818-560-3300, if you want to provide more information about the suspected infringement or to report a suspected infringement in the future.
Very truly yours,
Antipiracy Group, Corporate Legal
I have received that letter about 100 times. Yes, I have reported her THAT many times!
Good luck! I never tried calling.
Good luck! I never tried calling.
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Thanks. I'll let you know what I find out. This is 'in your face' copyright infringement and yet she gets away with it. I'm at a loss. It makes the time people spend on here looking to see 'if a string is the same string as another designer may or may not have scanned' such a waste of time. We're nit picking specks of dust when there are people using boulders out there.
That's a cumbersome analogy, but it's the best I can do when I'm this pissed.
I've been pissed for 2.5 years. I'm really bitter and would love to see her go down in a law suit. I think Ebay should be sued by Disney too because they allowed it to continue even after it has been reported and reported and .....
But this shit on ebay is one reason our kits won't sell.
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Er, no. The crap on ebay is equivalent to the dollar store kits.
Maybe we all need to start sending her a few message/questions? Such as "Are you a licensed reseller for Disney?"
January 29, 2011 11:44 PM
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Honest question, but why? It would achieve zero.
maybe you all are going about this Disney complaint stuff the wrong way. Instead of complaining to a dept that obviously doesn't care, go to the legal dept in charge of licensing and tell them you want a cottage industry license like the people on Ebay have because you're going to start selling digital kits, too. If they say the people o Ebay don't have a ottage industry license (which we know they don't have) just say "Oh, okay, that's good because I really can't afford much." ...and continue on and say, "So as long as I make less than $1000 or 2000.00 from your images, then it must be okay, right? Because those people on Ebay probably make about that much. Thank you so much!"
Either you are a moral individual and you know what you create is legal and you play by the rules or you don't play by the rules and karma is a bitch. Don't belive in Karma? Too Bad I do and I've seen the bad get what's coming to them time and time again. May take awhile but it happens. If you continue to stress over what everyone else is doing wrong, you'll never feel the joy in doing what is right and you'll probably drop dead of a heart attack. Ok so maybe that's going a bit far but honestly do you really care THAT much about what others do and stress over the things you can't control. This Disney pirating stuff gets really old so I guess that means there is nothing else really interesting to put out there but come on people it's BORING!!!!!!
I didn't realize this blog was meant to only entertain you. So sorry.
You don't have to get all religious on us either. Karma doesn't work. I know too many people that did terrible things until the day they dies. They thought the world owed them something.
I want to know what happens too, when you call that is. I have gotten that email before, but there was never a phone number listed, that I can remember. So if they actually answer, let us know and I will call too!
I didn't realize this blog was meant to only entertain you. So sorry.
it's a smak blog dearie. Of course it's to entertain. If not people wouldn't bother with it.
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Oh ye of little wit. Read the sentence again with sarcasm. "I didn't realize this blog was meant to ONLY entertain YOU."
Of course it's meant to be entertaining. It just isn't going to entertain every visitor every time. Some people clearly like talking about the Disney violations and find it entertaining. And others hate the discussion. Too bad for them.
Don't belive in Karma? Too Bad I do and I've seen the bad get what's coming to them time and time again. May take awhile but it happens.
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I wish that were true, but it just isn't
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/downloadable.html
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Thanks. Looks like the digital download part is okay, just not the having a licensed part.
I don't see how they can send a secure link to download though. They can't be using 4shared?
Wow! This is my first post ever on this blog and I have been following it for more than a year now, hoping to learn something that can help me to be a better designer!
Anyway, please enough with this exhausting Disney copyright issue! I can't understand how you care so much to bother to write and report what you find wrong! Anyway, this is up to you, but it isn't interesting to us at all! Everybody knows copying Disney's images is a huge no no!!! Let's please get back to what do you want in a kit, what is that designers do that you don't like, what are the best stores to sell around (please be specific!!!) anything hat can help us to be better designers and to look for the good stores to sell at!!!
LOL, because telling smack blog comment-ers what to comment on is always SO successful...
Inspiration Lane is closing. It's a pity because I liked that store. I hope that there is no drama behind the scenes!
Inspiration Lane is closing. It's a pity because I liked that store. I hope that there is no drama behind the scenes!
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According to their last 2 newsletters they are signed with a new web host and the site is going to be down whilst the switch over takes effect. Not heard anything about it closing for business [although every time I go for a look in the store there are fewer and fewer designers there].
They are closing, it's in the forum.
Dang it, just checked my email and sure enough Inspiration Lane close Feb 2nd cos they're hosting expires Feb 3rd :0'(
well, thats 3 closings now...MLAS, Matrioshki and now IL. man.
What is it with all the stores closing? Whatever happened to selling the site or passing it on to someone who has the time, energy, resources to run it?
I have just returned to the digi scrap world after a complete break of about 2 years. After looking around in an attempt to get back in the loop, I cannot believe the change in DST. When I left it was so busy, but now there is hardly any activity, it seems. What has happened?? Can someone fill me in please? Is there a new site where all the old faces have jumped ship (a bit like when DST started and everyone came over from 2Peas...?)
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