New space for the new week. I am too tired to think of a topic, and need to get back to packing for my trip. Someone did share something with me via email, and I am torn on what to do with it. I need to sleep on it.
For those still wondering, no one from the police department has stopped by for a visit.
Have a good week. Play nice.
252 comments:
1 – 200 of 252 Newer› Newest»Did anyone see Amanda's blog-post saying she was going to run for the board of CHA? I kind of doubt that will happen. Thoughts?
I think she's in with a chance actually. She has a good rep, from what I understand, in the paper world and that's what CHA is all about.
But she says she is already so busy she can't keep her own store open, so how could she even have time to think about being part of the CHA board?
Oh sorry, I forgot, we're dealing with a compulsive liar. Never mind then, move along.
Until the whole recent uproar with Amanda, I had never even heard of her. I certainly wasn't impressed and won't be shopping from her or anyone she's associated with, but some of you really seem obsessed.
She's really not much of a presence in digi, so why give her so much attention?
Thank you 7:12! I'm bored. Can we move on? Who gives a shit what she does or doesn't do? Yawn.
Wow this is the first time in a what, over a year, that things seem to be quiet in digi land? Isn't it kind of sad that we've all come to look forward to whatever trash/gossip/piracy etc...topics there may be?
I'm glad things are quiet and sane for the moment, though I must admit it's kind of a bummer to pop into the blogs and not have anything going on!
Did anyone see Amanda's blog-post saying she was going to run for the board of CHA? I kind of doubt that will happen. Thoughts?
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She doesn't have time to do the things she already is committed to and she wants to add something else to her plate. This lady jumps around way to much. I actually feel sorry for her. She needs to pick one thing she wants to do and work at it with all her heart. Each time she starts something new that she can not devote her whole attention to, people lose further respect for her.
Who is Amanda? Last name people or link!!
Where have YOU been!!!LOL
4:51, The Amanda story started out in the DST Birthday thread and moved into the Libel thread here on this blog.
HTH.
Instead of complaining about being bored, suggest something to talk about or be quiet. Be a little pro active.
Has anyone noticed at DST, that the product threads are way down from normal? There's also not a lot of August sponsor threads and hardly anyone seems to look or comment anymore. Do you think it's because so many kids have gone back to school or do you think it's a sign of people getting fed up with DST?
I think it's because people are tired of the DST BS.
Instead of complaining about being bored, suggest something to talk about or be quiet. Be a little pro active.
Well your pro active move made quite a hit in the discussion department didn't it? So she's bored with the whole Amanda conversation, big freaking deal, any reason to get snooty?
Okay end of my rant for the time being.
I think it is because it is summer and a lot of people are on vacation or out enjoying time with their kids and families.
That was being snooty? No, that was not being snooty. I'm bored with people being bored about the Amanda thing. Sheesh, every time someone has to say "I'm bored", but they usually don't suggest other topics. At least I made an effort, which is more than anyone else did. So, it wasn't a hit. Do you have anything to suggest?
Yeah, anyone here regular Afridigidiva customers? What's her stuff like?
Afridigidiva's stuff, at least her kits, are all very digital looking. Not something I'd scrap with.
re Afridigidiva - I had never heard of her but just checked out her site. I like my scrapping supplies to look 'natural' so her stuff was definitely way too 'digital' for my taste - especially the papers. But if people are willing to pay money for that stuff, good for her.
Anyone have any interesting info on this post from Amanda Rockwell? http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=139729
seems pretty straight forward to me. Someone violated her TOU and she is restating the terms so other designers won't do the same.
You know what really bugs me about the GSO thread at DST the last few days? Its been flooded by the Eastern European girls showing the same things over and over again. They all post each others LO and thanks each other profusely. Its the same girls posting and thanking over and over. They are beautiful LO but they are all looking the same to me. I must be in a foul mood today!
You know what really bugs me about the GSO thread at DST the last few days? Its been flooded by the Eastern European girls showing the same things over and over again. They all post each others LO and thanks each other profusely. Its the same girls posting and thanking over and over. They are beautiful LO but they are all looking the same to me. I must be in a foul mood today!
August 12, 2008 12:37 PM
I've been around DST for a year and this is nothing new. I'd like to know how they have all of that time to scrap and post on DST all day.
Who dissed Hummie?
And why would they diss someone offering assistance to PSP users? This is yet another example of the high school mentality of some site operators. Hummie is a great member of our digiscrap world and does a lot for free. Anyone who disses her should be called out.
No one dissed Hummie that I am aware of.
Someone dissed Hummie, no way! I haven't seen anything but that would just suck. She's got to be just about the nicest in digi land!
I thought Hummie uses PSE not PSP??
A bit of a gripe. Designers if you care enough about a charity to volunteer to contribute to a charity kit, please take the time to design something new. Don't just recolor something from your stash and throw it in. Thanks.
Yes, those girls in the GSO thread are like a pack of rabid dogs. Thats why I rarely open it anymore.
You know what really bugs me about the GSO thread at DST the last few days? Its been flooded by the Eastern European girls showing the same things over and over again. They all post each others LO and thanks each other profusely. Its the same girls posting and thanking over and over. They are beautiful LO but they are all looking the same to me. I must be in a foul mood today!
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Actually - they are becoming so annoying that I sort of wish they would find another community just for themselves. They are so tight with one another, and they give each other so many comments and rave and rave about one another, that it's really a downer for anyone not 'in' the group. Over time it has evolved into a very EXCLUSIVE group. I find myself longing to be a part of it, yet it's sort of out of reach - they are all commenting to one another in non-English. And they have totally taken over the GSO thread.
And even though the rules have been stated over and over not to repeat layouts, I saw debsterchen's latest layout in yesterday's thread at least 3-4 times.
I really wish DST would get rid of the GSO as it only fuels the competitive atmosphere. Some of those ladies are in GSO EVERY TIME they do a layout - they would probably get depressed if they didn't get that recognition every day.
RE: Amanda Rockwell thread. That seems like a pretty passive approach to enforcing a TOU. If her TOU means anything, posting a general announcement is not going to get her anywhere. She needs to go directly to those that are in violation. And that seems like a topic appropriate to the DCR.
I was wondering who got after Hummie too. :( Seems she tried to be helpful somewhere (someone had posted a PSE question) and she linked them up to one of her tuts. Whatever board she was on, they deleted her post, if I understand it right. Can't imagine why someone would do that, unless they thought that she was trying 'advertise' her site and draw people over there instead of whatever board she was on.
One more thing about the European scrappers and the GSO thread. Every now and then I run into a gallery that gets a ton of comments, even though they are not THAT good. For the life of me, I can't figure it out. There's one scrapper in particular, and in her gallery she went from getting 5-10 comments to suddenly getting 50-60+. Now, I'm telling the truth when I say her layouts are not that special.
It makes me wonder if there are praise threads outside of DST or Yahoo groups where people are posting links and commenting on one another's layouts. Or maybe there are groups that CT together and they post links in a private forum and comment on one another's layouts. Otherwise, I just don't understand how an average scrapper can suddenly become so popular and get so much praise. Can anyone enlighten me?
"RE: Amanda Rockwell thread. That seems like a pretty passive approach to enforcing a TOU. If her TOU means anything, posting a general announcement is not going to get her anywhere. She needs to go directly to those that are in violation. And that seems like a topic appropriate to the DCR."
I agree it would have been better posted in the DCR, but that yes, she should just go directly to the offender(s) in private, and then if that doesn't stop them, then post publicly, and name them if you have to. Though with Shannon's new stance on not allowing any topics related to piracy or "copying", she would probably delete the thread if names were named. The next step would be a "cease and desist" served to the offender. I'm betting that would get results. lol
RE: Amanda Rockwell thread. That seems like a pretty passive approach to enforcing a TOU. If her TOU means anything, posting a general announcement is not going to get her anywhere. She needs to go directly to those that are in violation. And that seems like a topic appropriate to the DCR.
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Or just contact the violator directly. Perhaps the person who is violating does not understand. As we become more global, I think it's possible. Not to mention that designer TOUs are not standard and many are difficult to understand.
I was wondering who got after Hummie too. :( Seems she tried to be helpful somewhere (someone had posted a PSE question) and she linked them up to one of her tuts. Whatever board she was on, they deleted her post, if I understand it right. Can't imagine why someone would do that, unless they thought that she was trying 'advertise' her site and draw people over there instead of whatever board she was on.
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Which board? See - this is why we need a community not tied to any store or designer. One of my posts got moved recently and I didn't even know I was violating any rules. I just get tired of all the rules and censorship.
Color me confused. If Amanda Rockwell's terms were violated by someone, then why couldn't she take it up with that someone??
Color me confused. If Amanda Rockwell's terms were violated by someone, then why couldn't she take it up with that someone??
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I'm not sure why everyone is questioning her post. She probably did contact the designers! And even if she didn't contact them, it's her product and her right to just allow them to continue the use. But she more than likely wanted to remind other designers as well so that she wouldn't have to continue contacting designers about it.
And not everyone has access to the DCR that has purchased her overlays. You can be a designer and not have access. And you can purchase commercial products and not yet be a designer that can get into the DCR.
Here's a perfect example of how worthless the GSO has become due to the Eastern European crew. This layout is in the GSO today http://www.digishoptalk.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=400285&cat=500
Is is cute? Sure. Is it a standout? No way! Any decent scrapper could throw that together in 30 minutes.
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A bunch of y'all should start complimenting each other in Pig Latin.
What's up with y'all hating the Eastern Europeans??? I think it's a breath of fresh air. You guys have been complaining forever about the Gina-Miller-clique and the same people getting all the attention. Now someone new comes in the picture and you are not liking it either. Good god people, make up your mind!
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ITA!
I was thinking the same thing...
I guess I wasn't around for the Gina Miller clique. I'll just go on being annoyed with the Eastern Europeans, and then maybe I'll think the next clique is a breath of fresh air.
OMGod, Seriously!
I haven't checked that thread in ages because it seemed so clique-ish, but this is ridiculous! I just checked the first 3 pages, and it took until post 25 to get one comment not from the foreign clique, and then a thank you at the bottom of page 3. That's 2 out of the first 30 posts that were not from the clique!
What a load of BS!
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You know what really bugs me about the GSO thread at DST the last few days? Its been flooded by the Eastern European girls showing the same things over and over again. They all post each others LO and thanks each other profusely. Its the same girls posting and thanking over and over.
Olling-ray on the or-flay affing-lay my ass-ay off
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A bunch of y'all should start complimenting each other in Pig Latin.
I looked through the thread today and thought the layaouts were all very pretty. It does not bother me one bit that most posters were not from the US. Last time I checked, DST was an international board. I also noticed that today's layout artists are quite different from the popular ones a couple of months ago.
It's a welcomed change.
Yeah, it's such a shame that the Eastern Europeans are into nurturing and supporting each other instead of the bitching and caballing that is so popular amongst the Westerners.
All of you complaining about the GSO thread, let me ask you, when was the last time you posted a LO in there? Hmm?
As for the GSO....Good for them for standing by each other. You guys probably NEVER post a LO in there. If they aren't kissing YOUR ass, you are disgusted. That is what is wrong with the digi-world.
As for Amanda, I commend her. She stated that "She is not out to ruin anyone's rep or career". And you people want blood.
Show us the names, tell us who it is. Then we can get pissed at Amanda for posting private info.
You people are sick.
I think it is good that they are supportive of each other. One thing I didn't notice was that most of the Eastern European girls LO's posted in GSO are using the Charity kit that was post in chatter a few day prior.
Yes - Macek007's gallery is a perfect example. Just scroll through her gallery and look at the number of comments: 40, 50, even 60+ on some of them!
http://www.digishoptalk.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=all&ppuser=13742
Every now and then she has a really great layout, but most of them are just average IMO.
All of you complaining about the GSO thread, let me ask you, when was the last time you posted a LO in there? Hmm?
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I posted several layouts in the GSO thread on Monday. And guess what - the layouts were from Scrappers that I don't know, from all over the world. Because I chose based on the merit of the layout ONLY - I didn't just pick my friend's layouts.
I think her gallery is beautiful. She has a great eye for color and placement of photos.
It's nice that some scrappers have friends and they support each other in their hobby. Friends do that in real life as well as in digi land.
What does it matter what country someone is from in order to post each others layouts in the GSO and make comments to each other. It is all part of the game and part of the fun. If you feel that someone is not following the rules why don't you send a message to DST and let them handle it.
I get the feeling that some complainers are just frustrated because their layouts are not getting shown in the GSO. It takes a long time to form relationships and friendships. You need to be committed to participating at a site constantly. Posting in the fourms, commenting on other layouts, helping people. Frankly this is hard to do if you have any life outside of digi scrapping.
Personally none of my layouts have ever been posted and I get few to no comments on my layouts. It doesn't bother me because I don't play the game back. I try to spend more time with my family and real life friends. In the long run they are who are most important to me, who care about me and who will be there through thick and thin.
Personally none of my layouts have ever been posted and I get few to no comments on my layouts. It doesn't bother me because I don't play the game back. I try to spend more time with my family and real life friends. In the long run they are who are most important to me, who care about me and who will be there through thick and thin.
August 13, 2008 12:08 AM
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WELL SAID!
You know, I met some of my best friends on the internet. Yes, I have met and talked with them in "real life" as well. Being an army brat makes it hard to keep friends.
I really hate this implication that you have no life or no friends because you spend a lot of time on the computer. Sometimes it just isn't so. Some of you need to see the bigger picture, instead of just your little corner of it.
Yes - Macek007's gallery is a perfect example. Just scroll through her gallery and look at the number of comments: 40, 50, even 60+ on some of them!
http://www.digishoptalk.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=all&ppuser=13742
Every now and then she has a really great layout, but most of them are just average IMO.
August 12, 2008 11:38 PM
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Exactly why does it matter how many comments one has? So she has friends that like to post in her gallery. Who cares!! Why do you care??
Exactly why does it matter how many comments one has? So she has friends that like to post in her gallery. Who cares!! Why do you care??
August 13, 2008 8:02 AM
ITA! If the whole GSO thread and the scrappers that are shown really irritate you that bad, why do you bother, why do you care? Do you scrap for yourself and your family, or do you scrap for the praise from strangers, at least 95%of whom you'll never meet and probably not even talk to online? Why should it matter?
I'm much happier about my scrapping since I don't bother posting to any galleries. Scrap for what matter, ignore what doesn't. Life is too damned short to worry about things like the GSO.
Comment: What does it matter what country someone is from in order to post each others layouts in the GSO and make comments to each other. It is all part of the game and part of the fun.
Response: The GSO is not supposed to be a GAME, and it's not supposed to be about posting and praising each others layouts - that's what the PRAISE GAME is supposed to be. Yet, that's exactly what it has become - a game for the SCRAPPING SOCIAL CLIMBERS. The GSO has become mainly a tool for people to try to become one of the popular girls, and gain favor with the star CT gals and hottest designers. That's my perception after watching it evolve over the months. That thread gets thousands of views. Do you think most of those views are people looking for inspiration? Of course some are, but I'm betting that most of those views are from wannabee star scrappers looking at who's posting and who's layouts are getting posted. That thread just seems to have created a very competitive environment and promotes cliques.
Comment: Exactly why does it matter how many comments one has? So she has friends that like to post in her gallery. Who cares!! Why do you care??
Response: Because the number of comments one gets is about the only feedback that some of us get on our layouts. Therefore, it has become the way many scrappers measure how we are doing. I know many people will jump in to say 'I don't even post to galleries' or 'I don't get any comments and I don't give any so it doesn't bother me' (like the post above this). And if that approach works for you, then that's wonderful. But, for those of us that spend hours leaving comments for other people, and for those of us that do participate, it's hurtful to give so much, and not get much in return. I spend HOURS every time I play the Praise game and I comment on pages and pages of layouts. So, when I see a newcomer from Eastern Europe, appear on the scene and get 50-60 comments on every layout, then yes - it bothers me. It feels like the balance in the world is off just a bit and that things aren't totally fair. And I'm not necessarily blaming the gals themselves. They are not bad people, and they probably don't even realize how cliquey they appear. I just wish they would be a little more inclusive.
1. Comments in the gallery does not equal good scrapper. It is NOT the way to track your progress because it is a fuzzy way to do so.
2. Make some online friends! Then you too can have 50 comments. But it still doesn't track your progress.
3. It's just comments. Are you scrapping for comments or for yourself and family?
To some it up, don't base your worth as a scrapper on whether or not someone you don't even know says something to you about your layout. Is it really going to matter in 5, 10, 15 years? No, because the site probably won't even be around. But the album that you printed and your family loving it will matter!
I don't look at the GSO thread nor do I pay attention to how many comments someone else receives. The layouts usually aren't inspiration because they are not very "paper" looking, more digital with stuff I wouldn't use if I was paper scrapping. Some are beautiful but not how I scrap. Rolls right off my back.
But, for those of us that spend hours leaving comments for other people, and for those of us that do participate, it's hurtful to give so much, and not get much in return.
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why do you do something that is so self defeating? You are now making the choice to continue to hurt yourself!
I just wish they would be a little more inclusive.
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I hear this a lot on this blog but noone explains what that would actually look like?
spending hours commenting on the zero comment layouts?
but then they still miss yours?
I'm a nobody, not in that group and I have comments from them. I don't scrap their style either. So it is possible that they aren't being clique-ish but rather it is random that you are being missed?
Why oh why do people pay so much attention to feedback - especially feedback other people get? Not to mention that most feedback isn't honest feedback at all. Why is it that people are labeled Social Climbers for posting in the GSO thread? Get freaking over yourself!!! Oh my God, are you really that shallow? Have you never gotten past High School?
So you admit leaving praise with the expectation to get praise back? What's the point? I thought that was supposed to be selfless and an act of kindness. Do you really value feedback from someone who just leaves feedback to get feedback back?
Maybe you should spend less time being jealous and more time building friendships. Maybe then you will get honest feedback from people that are really your friends.
I spend HOURS every time I play the Praise game and I comment on pages and pages of layouts. So, when I see a newcomer from Eastern Europe, appear on the scene and get 50-60 comments on every layout, then yes - it bothers me. It feels like the balance in the world is off just a bit and that things aren't totally fair.
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Not fair? This is what my 4-year old says. I would not expect to hear this kind of comment from a grown woman. It sounds to me that the only wannabe social climber here is you and you are upset because for some reason you are not succeeding but others do (in your opinion.) BTW, exactly what does "social climbing" mean? Not sure I understand that term or your use of it. I think you are just jealous they have friends and you don't.
Maybe if you tried less hard and focused on what's really important you will actually get somewhere - with your scrapping and social life as well.
It feels like the balance in the world is off just a bit and that things aren't totally fair.
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HAHA! What balance in the world?
Welcome to life. when has it ever been fair?
Someone is getting a big dose of reality from digital scrapbooking.
WHY does the dst community even need a "Praise Game"? That by it's self should tell you something.
People say in defense of "the game" that the gallery moves too quickly, that they might miss a layout or two. Well you can't hit them all plus what about the people who don't play "the game"? They don't matter?
I'm old school. Was around when there wasn't a "Praise Game" needed. What I do is set my gallery view at 90, go through and the ones that catch my eye I open in a new tab. I might do this through 2 or 3 pages of the gallery if I have time. Then I just go to each tab, make a comment, close that tab and so on until I get finished or too tired to type anymore! lol
Just sayin' if you're spending hours a day leaving praise through the "Praise Game" your time might be better spent leaving RANDOM praise. My guess is you'll get to know more people that way, and the praise you leave will probably be seen as a lot more genuine. kwim?
I don't care how many comments I get on my layouts, and while I'll occasionally spend time praising layouts, I'd rather spend my time scrapping.
It's naive to think that the GSO isn't all about the popular girls, however. DST is just an online version of Junior High School. I can't stand it anymore. I should find a new home, but I'm kinda lazy and I'd rather be scrapping
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I bet in High School you were the one who carried the bags for the popular girls.
So, when I see a newcomer from Eastern Europe, appear on the scene and get 50-60 comments on every layout, then yes - it bothers me. It feels like the balance in the world is off just a bit and that things aren't totally fair.
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Just two little thoughts.
1. I don't see why you need to quantify "newcomer" with "Eastern Europe". It makes it sound like if they were from "New York" it would be ok. This is an international site and it doesn't matter where anyone is from.
2. I don't think that things are "unfair". It sounds to me like you are a little fish that has gotten trapped in a big ocean. You may be happier and thrive better in a smaller pond. DST is not necessarily for every scrapper.
I went to download the August kit and discovered that my membership is up. I have decided not to renew. I get free kits every month from Scrappers Guide and DSAG. Those keep me busy enough. It is sort of sad. I had high hopes for DST. But like some have mentioned, it has become so Junior High Schoolish that I am just not having fun there anymore.
As for Amanda, I commend her. She stated that "She is not out to ruin anyone's rep or career". And you people want blood.
Show us the names, tell us who it is. Then we can get pissed at Amanda for posting private info.
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Amanda probably did contact the individual designers but I imagine she was posting this to notify anyone else she didn't know about or who may try to do it in the future.
I am pretty disgusted with the commercial use designers that rip off stock art and now other designers work. They should know better but want to make a quick buck. Amanda offers her overlays at a very reasonable price and often has dollar sales so to use them for your own Cu is totally sleazy.
As for the DCR, when Shannon deleted the piracy forum she pretty much but the kabosh on any future copying/piracy threads posted by designers who are being ripped off so I don't even know if she could have posted that there w/o it being deleted.
And before anyone criticizes Shannon, remember that the smack blogs where all up in arms about the piracy forum so she is pretty much doing what she had to do in nixing it.
Just sayin' if you're spending hours a day leaving praise through the "Praise Game" your time might be better spent leaving RANDOM praise. My guess is you'll get to know more people that way, and the praise you leave will probably be seen as a lot more genuine. kwim?
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I only play the Praise Game when i want comments.
But one thing is I think it's better to go thru the gallery and praise good LO's w/little attention than add your comment to some LO that has 40/50/60 comments - I mean that one comment would mean the world to some underrecognized scrapper vs. someone who has racked up a huge number and scads of digifriends.
I've noticed at MSA, when I leave random comments a lot of people will chose one of my LO's to comment on which is really nice - they have that new messaging feature that makes it easy to see you commented on your old stuff so you can look them up and comment back. Scrapartist has the same feature and it's awesome because otherwise I wouldn't be able to keep track of who commented on my older stuff...
Just sayin' if you're spending hours a day leaving praise through the "Praise Game" your time might be better spent leaving RANDOM praise. My guess is you'll get to know more people that way, and the praise you leave will probably be seen as a lot more genuine. kwim?
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But one thing is I think it's better to go thru the gallery and praise good LO's w/little attention than add your comment to some LO that has 40/50/60 comments - I mean that one comment would mean the world to some underrecognized scrapper vs. someone who has racked up a huge number and scads of digifriends.
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Actually - I used to think this way but later changed my mind. Eventually I realized that I was leaving praise for a lot of people that aren't even active online - they're posting layouts, but who knows if they're even coming back and reading the comments.
So that's when I decided to focus on LOs in the praise game. At least I know that the people playing the praise game care about the comments I leave behind.
I quit all my CT's over a year ago, and I haven't posted to any galleries since then. Oh my, it is SO freeing! I use the kits I want and don't have to worry about keeping track of whose staples or ribbons I used. I don't care what anybody else thinks about my layouts...I scrap for my family and myself.
My question is, does anybody post layouts privately, in a way that you can invite only your family and friends to view? Are their sites you can do this on?
You can post your layouts at Flickr and make them private.
2:55 - Honestly, I think I have been feeling this way for the last month or so. I resigned from almost all of my CTs. The only one I have kept is such a sweet deal that I am having a hard time walking away from it. When I think about all the time I spend uploading layouts to multiple galleries, tracking and listing credits and ensuring I have followed all the "rules" for the designer I could have scrapped another page in that amount of time.
3:21 - Thank you...but I'd like to post larger than the Flickr default size. Maybe such gallery doesn't exist.
3:40 - I hear you! It really is quite time consuming to post to all those galleries. And as far as I'm concerned, now that I'm not on any CT's I don't need to give free advertising to designers whose kits I've paid money for.
I like posting my layouts because at least somebody sees what I'm creating. My family doesn't care!
regarding this post: http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=139887
In my opinion if you are in business you should be willing to pay for your supplies. If I am going to sell something, I want it to be different than something you can make on your own. I just don't get the idea of free CU items.
I think that is why so many kits are starting to look the same to me and my spending has drastically reduced in the last year.
My question is, does anybody post layouts privately, in a way that you can invite only your family and friends to view? Are their sites you can do this on?
August 13, 2008 2:55 PM
You can make albums in almost any of the galleries and make them private, so that only those you share the password with can view them. Works like a charm, just make sure you make it private.
There are soooooo many free CU fonts out there I don't know why anyone would have to pay for any! I mean, come on! Why pay for something if you don't have to!
I'm on CTs but I don't have to post to a lot of galleries. I don't have to keep track of my credits either. You have to pick the right CT and it's all fine. I must have been lucky because I've been on quite a few CTs and never had to do the running around. All my CT commitments are and have been to known designers.
Doesn't anybody get comment notification by email? That's how I keep track of all my comments. I do some return praising and I do random praising. I always try and pick a LO that has little or no comments.
If I see any more of those oh so very original Flair button avatars, I'm gonna puke.
Following a trend like that is very high school.
HAHAHA! I totally agree, 9:57! The first flair I saw was clever, the next few were cute, but now it's just sad to see so many sheep following the herd! The only exception is FrkEdwards' flair. That one cracks me up!
I kinda like flairs - i like them a whole lot better than those insipid blinkies
Why pay for something if you don't have to!
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Because it sets you apart from everyone else. Which results in more sales and eventually pays for what you purchased.
I think flairs are fun and lets you express yourself. Sure they are a trend and will eventually go away. But I will enjoy them while I can.
LOL...I remember many years ago my boss telling me that those little computers people were buying for their homes were just a fad and would never catch on. Who in the world would want a computer at their house!
Why pay for something if you don't have to!
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Because it sets you apart from everyone else. Which results in more sales and eventually pays for what you purchased.
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Yeah, you don't want to use the same CU thing everyone else is...
However w/fonts I don't think that's as much of a problem. I've bought one CU font and it was $35 bucks - they aren't cheap so hell yes I would use free CU fonts if I could find em!
I remember many years ago my boss telling me that those little computers people were buying for their homes were just a fad and would never catch on. Who in the world would want a computer at their house!
August 14, 2008 2:38 AM
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I bet he feels a bit silly now. I love the computer from the start and knew they were here to stay. Wish I had invested money!!
Have a unique avatar is a way of expressing yourself, having an avatar like everyone else is not, even if it says something different. It's like bumper stickers, seen one, seen them all.
I'm on CTs but I don't have to post to a lot of galleries. I don't have to keep track of my credits either. You have to pick the right CT and it's all fine. I must have been lucky because I've been on quite a few CTs and never had to do the running around. All my CT commitments are and have been to known designers.
August 13, 2008 9:55 PM
I'm on a handful of teams, but I'm pretty lax about credits. If that's not acceptable to my designers, they can show me to the door.
"HAHAHA! I totally agree, 9:57! The first flair I saw was clever, the next few were cute, but now it's just sad to see so many sheep following the herd! The only exception is FrkEdwards' flair. That one cracks me up!"
Link, please? I want to crack up!
LOL...I remember many years ago my boss telling me that those little computers people were buying for their homes were just a fad and would never catch on. Who in the world would want a computer at their house!
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I remember a long time ago some rubber stamp hobbyists saying that scrapbooking was just a fad! LOL! Yeah right.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=140181
Why does she not want to hear from people that have their ads turned off or ignore ads? As an advertiser, this is important information for me. I would love to know how many people are actually reached by my ads. How good does it do if three people like bold colors if the other 97 ignore my ads all together.
I think DST should have a poll for people whether they click on ads or not, whether they have ads turned off or otherwise just ignore them. Oh wait, it's not gonna happen, because Shannon cannot charge top dollar if half of the community admits they don't give a hoot about ads.
I don't click on ads since they became an animation nightmare. I've turned them off at every site I visit.
I also don't like the kittychen blinkies-they all look the same and the lack of originality gets annoying.
As for the flair-who gives a flip. sometimes I think they would be a better advertising alternative to las vegas blinkies.
the new look-less is more.
That ad topic, wow, what a backhander in there. Implying that people who have their ads turned off don't care about digital scrapbooking, just wow. I have my ads turned off because I can't stand ads on ANY site and some of them are so flashy blinky they give me a headache.
I also don't like the kittychen blinkies-they all look the same and the lack of originality gets annoying.
As for the flair-who gives a flip.
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I could say the same about your kittychen blinky complaint, who gives a flip. Sheesh.
The flair avatars are just as annoying as the blinkies. It all looks the same.
I am curious and I don't mean this in a rude way. I'm just trying to figure out human nature.....
There seem to be quite a few people who really dislike Shannon. Why then do you even go to DST? I think that if I really didn't like someone, I wouldn't participate at their site. There are sooooo many scrapping sites out there. Why waste your time at a site that causes you grief?
Who said they don't like Shannon? Did you ride on the short bus?
Why is it that, if someone's business ablilities are questioned, there is always some idiot making it personal.
There seem to be quite a few people who really dislike Shannon. Why then do you even go to DST?
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Because there's more to DST than Shannon, that's why. She doesn't participate that much anyway, but when she does, she's often rude and condescending. Besides, if you look at the numbers, they have gone down. Two years to 18 months ago, DST was listed as no. 3 consistently on the Top 50 site, then it dropped to 4 and now it hovers between 5 and 6. I know that the top 50 site isn't accurate, but it is an indication.
Also, there are not 'soooo many' scrapping sites out there at all. Sure, there are ones attached to stores, but I have found them to be either very cliquey or not very active.
Perhaps the store forums would be more active if you posted on them?? If everyone has the "I'm not posting unless others do" attitude then it's no wonder some forums are under utilised.
Perhaps the store forums would be more active if you posted on them?? If everyone has the "I'm not posting unless others do" attitude then it's no wonder some forums are under utilised.
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I'm quite capable of leading the way, but I get tired of little or no response when I post something. If I talk to myself, I don't expect a reply but if I talk to others, I do. One way conversations aren't my thing.
Who said they don't like Shannon? Did you ride on the short bus?
Why is it that, if someone's business ablilities are questioned, there is always some idiot making it personal.
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What a rude, uncalled for response to a simple observation. There is a LOT of animosity toward Shannon on this forum. In fact there is a lot of animosity on this forum in general, as evidenced by your own post. I find that it often descends into paranoid conspiracy theories at times.
DST is simply not that important to my life to get all worked up about.
"Why does she not want to hear from people that have their ads turned off or ignore ads? As an advertiser, this is important information for me. I would love to know how many people are actually reached by my ads. How good does it do if three people like bold colors if the other 97 ignore my ads all together.
I think DST should have a poll for people whether they click on ads or not, whether they have ads turned off or otherwise just ignore them."
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I agree. I advertise sometimes at DST, and I'd really like to know just how many people don't even see the ads at all. I'm not sure I want to keep sinking money into advertising if I really don't seem to see much return on my investment, judging by ad-clicks and such. :( (And yes, I'm fully aware that I may be "building name-recognition" but that is not enough; I want to know if it actually translates into sales somewhere down the road, but if I can't even get some idea of what percentage of DST-members have the ads completely turned off, then there is no way for me to measure how many potential customers might be actually seeing my ads, and how many never even catch a glimpse of them.)
I don't see any reason why someone can't go ahead and post a poll like that in chatter, as part of 'market research' (I'm not volunteering, mind you, but maybe some brave soul can take on this challenge!) ;)
I find that it often descends into paranoid conspiracy theories at times.
DST is simply not that important to my life to get all worked up about.
August 15, 2008 12:33 AM
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Wow, some pop psychology, topped off by being condescending. You just contributed to the animosity in this 'forum' (it's a blog by the way, not a forum).
Why can't people discuss things without it being considered 'animosity'? I agree that some of the comments are over the top, but a lot of them are not. I see expressions of disappointment more than anything else.
The whole banner ad thing has been polled before. The result was that the majority of scrappers do not click on the ads. Some of them didn't even notice that the ads were there and at least half didn't know that were ads at the bottom as well as on the top. With so many sites having banner ads, it's become second nature to block them out.
Don't waste your money.
DST and Ads - I'm just a scrapper who collects digi goodies and I have NEVER clicked on an Ad @DST in the 2 years I've been a member.
I do, however, go directly to the Scrap Resource Section and look at the top 3 threads for New ProDuct/Promotions.
Who said they don't like Shannon? Did you ride on the short bus?
Why is it that, if someone's business ablilities are questioned, there is always some idiot making it personal.
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I asked a question trying to understand. There is no reason to be rude.
You could have just said..."I don't dislike Shannon, I don't like her business abilities." It is pretty presumptuous for you to speak on behalf of others when this is an anonymous blog.
Besides, if you look at the numbers, they have gone down. Two years to 18 months ago, DST was listed as no. 3 consistently on the Top 50 site, then it dropped to 4 and now it hovers between 5 and 6. I know that the top 50 site isn't accurate, but it is an indication.
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Not accurate? They're a total joke! They don't keep an account of views at all - only referrals.
Look at DST on any of the sites that measure "site worth." They beat out every other scrapbooking site around.
Hands down, they are the biggest digital scrapbooking site on the internet.
Yeah honey, keep telling this yourself. :)
"Look at DST on any of the sites that measure "site worth." They beat out every other scrapbooking site around"
Beat them out for what exactly?
Yeah honey, keep telling this yourself. :)
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Name one that's bigger
I am designer and I have not been "fortunate" enough to get back on the banner ad list for DST in over a year. From reading the comments here, it doesn't look like banner ads really hold value. I am glad to find this out before I sink anymore money into them.
So, if banner ads don't work and no one is looking at product ads, where are you finding new products? Is it only at the stores you shop? Or by referral from other scrappers?
I would love to see a market survey put up somewhere that would tell us what the customer likes to see and not - and you know, I bet Ruby's new forum is the place to do it.
I will ask her when she gets back from her vacation if we can get one going.
Where is Ruby's new forum? (yes I'm sadly out of the loop)
From reading the comments here, it doesn't look like banner ads really hold value.
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Given that the same spots are taken by the same advertisers every month...I'd say they must be holding plenty of value.
Okay, I'll be the first to admit that I click on the banner ads at DST. Not often, maybe once every couple of weeks. I only do it if it's a designer that I usually buy from, and I'm checking for new stuff. The banner reminds me to check their store, and clicking on it is quicker than looking through my favorites. But I've never clicked on someone's ad because I found it appealing or to try out a new designer.
From reading the comments here...
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Let's also keep in mind that the group here is very small and very anti-DST...not really the demographic DST's advertisers shoot for.
So, if banner ads don't work and no one is looking at product ads, where are you finding new products? Is it only at the stores you shop? Or by referral from other scrappers?
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My inspiration comes from the gallery mostly. I look through the gallery and click on the layouts that jump out at me for some reason. Sometimes I will click on the links in the credits.
Unfair to new designers - but such is life - I have my favorites I buy from. It has to be an exceptional kit that I venture past my comfort zone. I've been disappointed too many times.
Where is Ruby's new forum? (yes I'm sadly out of the loop)
August 15, 2008 6:22 PM
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http://www.scrapnchat.com
Given that the same spots are taken by the same advertisers every month...I'd say they must be holding plenty of value.
August 15, 2008 6:29 PM
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That's BS. It just means that those advertisers have bulk purchased several months in advance. This is absolutely no indication of value.
wow, that place is hopping!
That's BS. It just means that those advertisers have bulk purchased several months in advance. This is absolutely no indication of value.
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Since DST doesn't allow paying for months in advance I doubt it. (And yes, I have advertised there so I think I'd know)
Try again.
Honestly, coupons and sales for 25% or more draw me in. I do check the designer announcement and new product forums at DST only because I haven't found another site where so many different designers post.
I hardly think 32 members of Ruby's site is "hopping". As much as many people like to criticise DST I think they secretly love the drama and will keep going there :P
I hardly think 32 members of Ruby's site is "hopping". As much as many people like to criticise DST I think they secretly love the drama and will keep going there :P
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yeah, i was being sarcastic. ; )
and you're right about dst. people can complain all they want but they keep going back and giving dst more impressions and, by proxy more money. sites like this help dst in the long run.
So, if banner ads don't work and no one is looking at product ads, where are you finding new products? Is it only at the stores you shop? Or by referral from other scrappers?
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I've been a member of DST for almost 2 years now and I may glance at the Banner ads, but I've never clicked on any. I'm already familiar with all the designers that advertise there so there's nothing novel about it.
Sometimes I click on the sponsors at MSA, but that page gives me a headache - with a whole page of blinking blinkies, I can't even read it.
There is one publication where I actually enjoy looking at the ads and that's 'The Daily Scrapper' online newspaper. I like the classified section at the bottom of the page (you have to search for it as it doesn't jump right out at you. It has some different categories such as 'Vacancies', and 'Events'. There are ads for people doing S4H, making blinkies and offering preview services to designers for example - things I don't see advertised elsewhere. Also, there are some lesser known advertisers there. I actually enjoy reading these ads believe it or not!
Let's also keep in mind that the group here is very small and very anti-DST...not really the demographic DST's advertisers shoot for.
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That's a generalization and an assumption. I'm personally not anti-DST, and I don't have anything against Shannon. I bet most people here aren't anti-DST.
The people here just want a place to say what they really think without the pressure of conforming to the fake (always happy, always nice, don't say anything negative about any store, designer or scrapper) culture that has evolved at DST.
Ruby's site just opened, you can't expect much yet.
The people here just want a place to say what they really think without the pressure of conforming to the fake
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Read: Cruel and bitchy.
Call a spade a spade - these aren't blogs for constructive criticism. It's called "smack" for a reason.
I'll say it again, the banner ads question has been polled several times at DST and the scrappers there generally say they don't click. It's not just the people here.
The designer that was talking about a market survey asking what customers want to see,well, that's been done to death at DST as well.
I don't like the drama or the boring topics at DST. I haven't been there in months except to flit in and check to see if it's changed, which it hasn't.
And that person that was dissing the top 50 site and yet relied on other site meters, what other site meters? They are all inaccurate. Saying DST is the biggest based on those is just as ridiculous. I could show site meters that show that you some obscure little place is the biggest.
Read: Cruel and bitchy.
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Trust most everyone who has something bad to say about this blog to only pick up on those few comments, instead of the ones that are actually constructive. People just love the see the negative, don't they?
Well, I'm not anti DST, nor am I anti Shannon. I have clicked on banner ads, but only once in awhile, and yes, I am more inclined to do it if there is a sale going on.
As for finding out about new designers, seeing a layout in the gallery has been one way. I've had to google many designers because I had never heard of them. Another way is just shopping at a store I like and seeing a new designer there. New products threads, freebies listed at IkeaGoddess, and also from scrapping friends telling me about new designers.
I'm really very picky lately though, and will only buy things that really appeal to me. All the kits with so many elements, leaves, flowers, realistic elements just are not my style. I enjoy looking at those "magical" style layouts in the gallery, but I won't buy anything like that. I admit I did at first because I was totally enabled, but it just isn't something I'll ever use. The kits are all starting to look the same to me now.
Sorry about writing so much...just giving my thoughts on how I shop.
Saying DST is the biggest based on those is just as ridiculous. I could show site meters that show that you some obscure little place is the biggest.
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Go for it.
how about this one:
http://www.scraplounge.com.au/topsites/
Where DST doesn't even rate a mention, and this one:
http://www.americascrapbooking.com/topsites/in.php?id=58
How about this one which shows DST as no. 5
http://elitedigiscrappers.com/
and this one (yes, I know), which also shows DST as no. 5 and yet both sites show SBE as being no. 1
http://www.scrapbookingtop50.com.au/digitaltopsites/
I showed you mine, show me yours.
I showed you mine, show me yours.
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LMAO
Every one of those sites ranks on referrals based on clicks. Not ONE is based on actual page views.
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/digishoptalk.com
DST has a rank of 70,970. That's out of the entire internet.
So again, show me ONE digital scrapbooking site that beats it.
Your turn.
Page views? That's totally inaccurate as well, every time I'm referred to a page through Google and click on it, it's counted as a page view.
Try again.
Page views? That's totally inaccurate as well, every time I'm referred to a page through Google and click on it, it's counted as a page view.
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What??? Tell me you aren't that ignorant?
How do you think the popularity of a site is judged? What do you think advertisers look at?
8:32pm
DSP beats that. Their rank is 51,866
8:32pm
DSP beats that. Their rank is 51,866
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I stand corrected.
They have a huge userbase as well, though the forum is definitely slower nowadays than DST.
Well played.
what's dsp?
What??? Tell me you aren't that ignorant?
How do you think the popularity of a site is judged? What do you think advertisers look at?
August 15, 2008 8:57 PM
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Believe me, I'm not ignorant. It's not page views, unless it's a unique page view or click. If advertisers only judge by page views, they are ignorant. No need to be so superior.
DSP is Digial Scrapbooking Place.
The people here just want a place to say what they really think without the pressure of conforming to the fake (always happy, always nice, don't say anything negative about any store, designer or scrapper) culture that has evolved at DST.
August 15, 2008 7:49 PM
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It didn't evolve. It was there pretty much from the start. I know I got a good dose of it by mid-August the same summer it opened.
No visit from the boys in blue here either.
Oh no!
I just went to check digigrabbagsrevealed and the blog is gone as well as Nonni's old digismack blog. I am so bummed. What does everyone think? I highly doubt I will be buying bags as often as the last couple of months.
I'm sure a new grab bag reveal blog will pop up soon enough.
Say it ain't so! And I was hoping to see some of the bags from Inspiration Lane this weekend. Oh well, Nonni was good to us for quite a while.
Maybe Barb Speck got a court injunction against the reveal blog. Too bad she can't control the next one that will be sure to open in its place.
Maybe Barb Speck got a court injunction against the reveal blog. Too bad she can't control the next one that will be sure to open in its place.
August 16, 2008 12:20 PM
Oh no if she reads this she'll be thinking she was instrumental in Nonni shutting down. Look out digi world, Barb will be even more intolerable now!
Now why would anyone get the reveal blog shut down? That's way more mean and spiteful than a lot of things said on these blogs. I won't be purchasing any grab bags until a new one pops up. Even grab bags from known designers can be disappointing and with designers asking $4 and $5 a bag, I'd rather spend that money on things I can see. You know, even a reveal blog with comments turned off just so we could see what's inside would be great. I never read the comments anyway unless there was talk of a designer pitching a fit.
LOL Whatever. What would be the grounds for not only Barb, but anyone to get a reveal blog shutdown? It is a space of public opinion for product reviews. This is just too much crap.
So, what's next - Ralph Nadar going to get silenced for his consumer reports? Gimme a break.
And don't give me the old standby pirate bs either. It is isn't pirating if someone buys the bag and to have it reviewed. It isn't pirating if someone buys the bag and gives it to someone else to review. As long as the reviewer isn't using the stuff - what is the issue?
That is crazy, I have heard designers say that they gave their kits to submit to the reveals because it was good publicity. (If they got a great review.)
Hey, maybe the cops from Amanda's local precinct shut down the wrong blog!
That's terrible! That was the best reveal blog!
I can't believe the grab bag reveal blog is gone. It did teach me that almost all grab bags are not worth it. I'm really annoyed. I wonder what happened.
This one is still there:
http://grabbagcritique.blogspot.com/
I don't like that one.
Nope, don't like that one either. It's a critique blog, not a reveal blog. She puts up one grab bag, usually CU, every couple of weeks.
Anonni, if you're here....bring back the site! We miss the reveals!
I'm not Nonni, there will never be another Nonni, she was definitely an original, but I'll give this a shot if anyone's interested. So here you go, check it out and let me know what you think
http://digigrabbagssneakpeaks.blogspot.com/
Oh and if you have any you want to share my email is at the top of the blog and is neverbnonni@gmail.com
Looks like someone beat me to it, and she's got quite a few previews up already here
http://grabbagsrevealed.blogspot.com/
http://www.strictlyreveal.com/
way too many damn blinkies on strictly reveal. I'll have to pass that one.
No more NONNI? NONNI, if you're out there, what happened? I loved your blog!!!
I am annoyed at the thread at DST about the reveal blog. Designers complaining about comments and hurt feelings. Moderated comments on the strictly blog, only allowing happy comments? God forbid if the truth got out about someone's crappy products.
I don't think anyone minds constructive criticism, but your comment is exactly what people want to avoid. It's crappy, it sucks. The designer sucks. The store is crappy. How does that help anyone with the exception of possibly making your small mind feel better about yourself by telling someone else how crappy they are?
Not my style - that works well. I don't like it because I don't think the patterns don't line up, or I bought this bag and there were some jaggeds on item a, b, c. This was blurry. That's helpful and honest, not sugar coated.
Hell, that's probably why she shut down the blog. She got tired of the people who thought the reveal blog was another smack blog.
"How does that help anyone with the exception of possibly making your small mind feel better about yourself by telling someone else how crappy they are?"
So, you are so much nicer arn't you? And we have small minds because what? Because we have opinions and express our like and dislike of products?
So listen up there big minded poster, it isn't that a "designer" was crappy. It was about product the designer put into a hidden package being, well, crappy. It's also not a "personal" attack to critique a bag that someone paid for - can't see the contents - and it turns out to have less than perfect product in it. It is crappy - both with reference to the product and for the designer not taking the time to make sure what they put out is always top shelf.
There is a HUGE issue in digiscrap - where business and personal get mixed up all the time. Its such a childish response to get feelings hurt because people didn't accept your product.
But it seems the DST'rs want to have it all. They want to be able to sell people grab bags and never be held accountable for what's inside and then, have everyone hug them, eat s'mores and sing kum-by-ya - all because they are sensitive and think the meanies who are exposing them are personally attacking them.
The fact of the matter is - if you put out perfect quality product, you would never have to fear the critique. It could actually be a great promotional tool. I know I bought a lot of bags because of what I saw.
So grow up. Stop with the poor me I am a victim of public scrutiny shtick. Its getting so old.
Go back and read my comment where I said, it doesn't have to be sugar coated, you can tell someone there is something wrong with their work, without saying, it sucks, it's crappy, it's fugly. Doesn't sound like making s'mores to me.
And, I've never been reviewed, I'm not a designer, no poor pity me here. I'm a scrapper that can't see how that bag sucks makes your comment relevant to any designer. I also am a big believer in those who constantly try to tear people down are only trying to make themselves feel bigger and better about themselves. I'm not talking about those who can leave constructive criticism without being nasty. I'm talking about you, the poster who just wants to talk about how the product is crappy, sucky, fugly. (Those seemed to be the only adjectives a few of you posters on that other blog have learned.) Someone whose opinion, I'm going to say, doesn't really matter to the designer. I assume the opinions that matter are the ones that leave a comment about what they like/DON'T LIKE about the products.
Maybe is you learned a few more descriptive words? That might help the designers in making their products better.
ooh, before the grammar police catch me, I should have said, maybe if - not maybe is.
Well said 4:50, very well said!
And 4:31 if anyone needs to grow up it's you.
All 4:50 is saying is that if the product is lacking in some way, jaggies, blurry, etc...it's a whole lot more helpful and constructive to say so rather than "this bag is crap and I wouldn't download if they gave it away." No one told you not to have an opinion, but you don't have to be a complete and utter jackass when stating your opinion either.
This is 4:50 - and I wasn't attacking the previous poster - except with regard to the small mind remark.
I completely agree that constructive criticism is the way to go and that just saying something is crap doesn't help.
That said, last I checked a digishop isn't an art class. These aren't freebie either. These are supposed professional designers "selling" product to a consumer. Is it really up to the consumer to provide art lessons to the seller? Should we be thrilled as punch to be able to provide our kind and constructive opinion when we have purchased a product we might not be able to use?
While I completely agree that one doesn't need to use vulgarity or rudeness, I also believe that with grab bags - when the customer can't see what they are buying - the designer better qc before putting it up for sale.
I visited the Reveal Blog a fair bit and have to say that most of the time, CC was given, only a few times people said it was crappy or similar words. Typically, let's focus on the few really negative comments, instead of the constructive ones.
Reminds me of my child, throws a tantrum the minute you try and help by being a little constructive.
I am annoyed at the thread at DST about the reveal blog. Designers complaining about comments and hurt feelings. Moderated comments on the strictly blog, only allowing happy comments? God forbid if the truth got out about someone's crappy products.
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I loved Tracy Ann's response. Now that's class. Takes it all on board on a professional level instead of taking it personally.
Can you imagine if other designers in other industries behaved like some of the digi designers? Oh Mr Lacroix, I thought the bubble skirt was a totally ridiculous idea. So Mr Lacroix throws a fit and tantrum and says, Oh my feelings have been hurt, I'm going to start empolying my own critics so they'll only say nice things.
AHAHHHH!! That was great. It is so true. Only here in magical digiland must everyone speak out of sides of their mouth.
Imagine too, if a playwrite or novelist dared tell a critic they should use kinder phrasing next time because they have caused hurt feelings and offended sensibilities by using the word crap.
LOL, imagine Gordon Ramsay. He'd just tell them to F off.
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http://www.strictlyreveal.com/
August 17, 2008 11:37 AM
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Dude! Warn us before you post a link like this. I still have blinkie flashes in my eyes-- I am trying to watch the Olympics! That's my first and last visit to that mess.
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http://www.strictlyreveal.com/
August 17, 2008 11:37 AM
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With all the blinkies and that header, it looks like a Vegas cabaret.
LOL - that is exactly what the whining designers in the DCR need - a visit with Gordon Ramsey. LOL - I can just see his face and hear his words of love for the room. Now, that would be some good reality tv.
I love that idea of Gordon Ramsay doing a Hells Digital or Digital Hell?
I can see the whole thing. I'm laughing so hard right now just thinking about it.
Ramsay: Why are you sitting there?
Designer: (inaudible reply as she is crying)
Ramsay: What? Speak the "F" up, I can't hear you.
Designer: She copied me
Ramsay: (stares in disbelief), oh "F" off, will you. Put that emotion into your designs, it will be so much more rewarding.
Stop. You are killing me. My stomach hurts from laughing.
God, we could have used him for the whole Amanda and her gun toting blogger fantasy episode, that's for sure.
she copied me... LOL I will be laughing about that for days.
Ramsay: (disdainfully) What do you call this?
Designer: (unsure) A grab bag
Ramsay: (sarcastically) A grab bag? Do you think this is acceptable? Is this the best you can do?
Designer: (very unsure) Um, yes.
Ramsay: (total disbelief) This is not a grab bag. This is crap. I wouldn't pick it up if it were free. Into the trash it goes. You are going to have to do better next time or you won't make it.
With all the blinkies and that header, it looks like a Vegas cabaret.
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Actually it looks like DST
lol
I'd love to hear Gordon Ramsay discuss the "diva cup"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Maybe a grab bag once in a blue moon was fine in the beginning. But now the designers are trying to make grab bags so often that they are not always putting their best effort into them.
I think it is time to stop them altogether. Then we don't have to reveal them and deal with this issue. Seriously...how much time is spent, creating the grab bag, purchasing the grab bag, revealing the grab bag, discussing the reveal, etc. I think all that energy could be put to better use.
Why doesn't everyone quit buying the grab bags? Boycott them. Stand up and demand products that you can see first. Only buy products that have great previews that you can see. Speak out with your pocketbook and designers will listen.
Personally it is my opinion that if you buy a grab bag you are in a sense gambling. If you get crap....that was part of the gamble. I really don't have sympathy for people who complain that a grab bag was crap. I don't think you should be buying grab bags in the first place. If you are going to give someone (a complete stranger that you don't really know) your money for something sight unseen.....then you have got to deal with the consequences.
11:44, you are a tool.
Anyone know what the big reveil will be at the dark side?
Nope...But you bet your ass I will be there to find out.
Anyone know what the big reveil will be at the dark side?
August 18, 2008 4:39 PM
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Nope and I don't care either. The whole pirate issue is so unutterably boring. I don't condone the pirating but all the drama for the sake of drama is just as bad.
Having read the recent controversy and comments, the only issue I can agree with is the one about refusing to buy from the cookie cutter designers and stores. Everything just seems to look the same these days. There's not a whole lot of originality anymore. I wish more designers would do their thing, instead of jumping on the trend bandwagon. Choice can be nice, but I want a choice of different items, not a choice of the same or similar items by different designers.
I used to find it difficult to keep within my scrapping budget, now I find it difficult to spend my scrapping budget.
Anyone know what the big reveil will be at the dark side?
August 18, 2008 4:39 PM
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what i don get is why the suspense?
what do they need more time on doctoring some stuff up?
they are some damn drama thriving chicks....
from what I hear in the d-underground is;
several ( 8 ) designers are pitching in to hire a law office to represent them in suing some of the slanderous blogs ......
Wish I knew who was donating. I'd donate to the cause.
8:03 - Doctoring shit my ass - they provided LINKS to the direct posts. So unless they work for yahoo directly, you cant say that shit is doctored.
Proof is what we ask for, Proof is what they give.
I'm kind of sick by the list of designers/store owners there. Thank God it's not my store owner.
hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
It's ONLY slander if it isnt true!!
These designers were caught PIRATING!
It's a FACT that some of these store owners are shifty with payment.
And why are you bad mouthing one blog on another blog?????
2 faced bitches.
The Darkside is the best blog out there. They accomplished more then the Law & Order part of the DST.
So BRAVO!!!!!!!
It's true! I followed the links and saw the yahoo group. Michelle Powell has posted there as recently as August 11, 2008 and she's been a member at least since March. I saw posts by Mitia Assef, Elaine Vieira, Dani Alencar, and a bunch of other Brazilians.
Nope and I don't care either. The whole pirate issue is so unutterably boring. I don't condone the pirating but all the drama for the sake of drama is just as bad.
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amen
they are some damn drama thriving chicks....
from what I hear in the d-underground is;
several ( 8 ) designers are pitching in to hire a law office to represent them in suing some of the slanderous blogs ......
Are you kidding me? LMAO! Three words. Sound them out together. FREEDOM OF SPEECH. A lawyer is going of laugh them out of the building.
I really do not understand how they can bash entire stores when only one of the designers was a member of the pirate group? Slander - I think so!
August 18, 2008 8:38 PM
there is a fine line between freedom of speech and slander
a fine line between a critique and bashing ones business, advertising the bashing and condoning un true statements.
you can laugh all you want but just as you all feel the right to protect your scrap budget money, designers have the right to protect their business and income as well.
see it the rules are very different when it comes to ones business, revenue , meal ticket.
and don't worry there is a attorney who will take the case.
i am not saying everything is slander but never the less some slander did take place.
"and don't worry there is a attorney who will take the case."
don't think so. too much time and effort would be required to prove a case that really, just isn't worth a lot of money.
Slander or truth? Proof was posted of the store owners wrong doings.
You cant sue someone for posting truths.
To prove slander is very difficult. Truth is not slander, opinion is not slander, comments are not slander, further damaging a "person" who has already been damaged is not slander, stating a fact that is BELIEVED to be true is not slander. A person would have to PROVE that said subject knew that what they said was untrue and has a definitive impact on the business. You really think a REAL lawyer is going to go for an internet blog? Keep on dreaming.
It's only slander if it ain't true!
8:58 Can I buy you a drink?
Very well put thank you.
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