New space for the new week. I am too tired to think of a topic, and need to get back to packing for my trip. Someone did share something with me via email, and I am torn on what to do with it. I need to sleep on it.
For those still wondering, no one from the police department has stopped by for a visit.
Have a good week. Play nice.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 252 of 252I did a search in this group.
504 mesages popped up with the search word rapidshare.
531 mesages popped up for the search word 4shared.
60 messages popped for the search word yousendit.
That's nearly 1100 mesages with shared content out of roughly 5500 or every 5th message. Do you still want to tell me there were group members who had no clue what's going on?
http://legalblog.resourcesforattorneys.com/index.php?m=01&y=07&entry=entry070119-201305
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/04/18/043121.php
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3644610.stm
A lawyer will take the case. Whether they win or not is a different story. But it'll cost both parties money.
9:22 - EXACTLY. and if you look within the results of those searches, you'll find some messages in ENGLISH warning people to be careful where/how they share the links. if what you're doing is legal, is there any need for such a warning?
"A lawyer will take the case. Whether they win or not is a different story. But it'll cost both parties money."
if there isn't some chance for a BIG payout, no attorney will take this case. sorry - it sucks,but that's the way it is.
Even crappy attorneys charge over $200 an hour for their services. Case like this would BILL in excess of $750,000. who honestly can afford that? it isn't a contingency-type case, because the odds of losing are so great. no attorney i'd be willing to pay would ever take such a dog.
You can call it freedom of speech, but you can also call it cyber bullying, which can be and has been a punishible offense. Here's a wiki entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber-bullying
An attorney will take just about any case if someone is willing to pay them for it.
Cyber bullying for exposing pirates? LOL. Give me a break!
9:42 - that's the kind of crap that's also known as "politically correct." such liberal nonsense is ridiculous. there are people in the world who are actual victims of bullying, and to compare this activity to such behavior is slippery-slope logic. it's this mentality that threatens my freedom of speech.
some things were not true!
some designers accused and still get accused without any merit.
you can not do that,
there are a ton of pro bono attorneys as well, you never know who knows who.
there are people who have lawyers in their families or know of a friend whos married to one
don't just go saying one couldn't pay for it....
there are lots of ways...
lots of drama going on on these blogs lots of slander, as a blog owner when you open a anon blog you are responsible for the postings you harbor and advertise for, yes they advertise their bash blog as well which further is pretty much committing a crime if the person who receives the e mail
didn't subscribe to your listing ITS SPAM.
people were emailed links to bash bogs to further bring in more witnesses.
thats also called spam.
none of these blogs have a disclaimer, no rules as far as do not post rumors post facts.
all screen shots have been taken and dated as far as when what change occurred on what blog, when who said what.
i mean you can speculate all you want but something WILL happen because there are many loopos in laws even for pirates.....
mistakes have been made by some blogs and owners, some are disappearing already, this movement as started months ago when the very first bogs came out and it will continue until those who bash and spread rumors too pay for their sins.
And no Amanda is not one of the people in the bunch who are seeking help, from a lawyer that is....
9:42 - that's the kind of crap that's also known as "politically correct." such liberal nonsense is ridiculous. there are people in the world who are actual victims of bullying, and to compare this activity to such behavior is slippery-slope logic. it's this mentality that threatens my freedom of speech.
August 18, 2008 9:49 PM
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Your mentality indicates you can say whatever you want without ocnsequence and hide it under the guise of freedom of speech.
I do not believe in political correctness and I'm not liberal either. See where assuming gets you.
A girl killed herself because of cyber bullying. It was and is real bullying, just like any other form of bullying. Just because you have had no experience with it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
what the hell is a "loopo"?
if a family member came to me asking for representation in such a case, i'd advise that person to forget about it and move on. too much time, emotional energy, and yes, MONEY, would be required to pursue such a matter, with very little chance of a satisfactory outcome. and as long as we're discussing this, we're talking about LIBEL - slander is verbal, libel is written. know why these cases are so hard too win? you have to prove MALICIOUS INTENT. if i write something i believe to be true, in an attempt stop illegal activity, guess what? NO MALICIOUS INTENT. not saying it's fair, just stating the facts.
I know of a few designers who have been on the other end of it - and it had nothing to do with pirating. It was flat out bullying because a few people didn't like them.
having been a victim of actual physical hazing, i fully understand how damaging bullying is. the girl's family might hold a bit of responsibility for allowing her s o much exposure to the internet that she was in a position to be so psychically marred as to feel she had to take such action.
cyber bullying doesn't exist if you aren't online.
I wonder if any of you screaming freedrom of speech are going to tell your child, if you have one, when he/she comes home crying because some other child called him/her a liar, that the other kid was merely expressing his right to freedom of speech.
actually, 10:11, what i tell my children is exactly what my parents told me - "sticks and stones. . ."
freedom of speech, whether or not you agree with the opinion being verbalized, is PRECIOUS. too many of our own people, past and present, have fought and died for your right to speak freely. i didn't say criminally - but the burden of proof against this freedom is, rightfully, quite high. ever read 1984? Big Brother IS watching - he just can't quite come after you yet.
I hate the sticks and stones argument. Words can damage reputations, whether you want them too or not. Once something is out there, especially in this digital super fast age, it stays out there. All you have to do is look at the crap that followed Miz Pimptress around. She made one mistake and it still follows her around in this digi scrap world. Words can hurt, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
I'm sure BB is watching, I've never disillusioned myself that it may be otherwise, but I'm not important either, so it doesn't matter if he is.
9:55 such is the case of Mz Pimptress who still TO THIS DAY is being slandered without proof at DST.
But do you see any of those designers who are crying about their bullshit being exposed running to her defense??
No.
Dont expect that many will run to theirs. It's just not gonna happen.
When Monica blew Bill and it was slathered all over the news/world it wasnt "slander" was it? No, it was a dirty truth.
Learn the difference.
10:51 - yep, words hurt. and people are mean, and life isn't fair. and you might think you aren't very important, but that isn't the case.
i've been bullied, physically and verbally, and it sucks. i don't mean for an instant to dismiss that. i spent many years in therapy learning how to cope with awful, horrible things that i'd never wish on anyone. and contrary to what 10:01 believes about me, i don't think people can say whatever they want without fear of consequence. i believe very firmly in personal responsibility and consequences for actions. however, i know how hard it is to prove cases of libel and slander, and unless you have an open checkbook, you can't afford the cost. what is right or wrong and what is actually criminal are not necessarily the same.
and yes - if you can afford to pay an attorney to take a case like this, said attorney will happily take your money. just don't expect a happy ending.
11.20 - I don't think anything of you at all, as I don't know you. I was just addressing the appearance of your comments as you made, like you addressed mine.
"and it will continue until those who bash and spread rumors too pay for their sins."
Sins? WTF?
I have opinions. They are not sins. Sometimes (and hold on to your bible for this one) just sometimes what is said here is the truth. Cold. Ugly. Hard to swallow truth. But a sin? Please. I would like to know the passage in your bible that talks about digital piracy, internet blogs and the right of expression.
You better hurry on out of here or you will miss the evening bus to Stepford.
LOL ... the bible thumbers are at it again. LMAO!
11:44, you are a tool.
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What does this mean?
Oh my gosh. Just because someone uses the word sin doesn't make them a bible thumper. Overreacting a bit?
An attorney will take just about any case if someone is willing to pay them for it.
August 18, 2008 9:49 PM
I'm an attorney and I find this comment really offensive. Just because some lawyers have no morals doesn't mean we're all like that. It's just the losers that get all the press. Newspapers don't print stories about honest people.
If you can find a lawyer to sue for slander...good luck. A better lawyer might go for libel. It would be hard to prove slander unless we all have microphones!
The word "tool" may be used as an insult, describing someone who is being used by an establishment willingly (as a sycophant), or unwillingly (as one who blindly conforms). Alternatively, the insult "tool" can imply that a person is unable (or unwilling) to form an independent opinion on a given topic.
The term most commonly describes someone who is being manipulated by societal institutions. In this context, the term is thought to be a shortening of the phrase "tool of the system". The insult is used in Western counter-culture to describe strong proponents of those institutions, who seem to truly believe in what is thought of as a mass deception.
Thanks for the "tool" explanation. I'm just not sure why the poster referred to me as a tool. I'm not the one throwing my money away on "crap" grab bags.
Interesting regarding anonymous bloggers:
http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/pressethic/node/288
LOL, I've never seen 'tool' described that way before. Where I'm from, tool and jackass are pretty much interchangeable. I was calling you a jackass. :)
LOL, I've never seen 'tool' described that way before. Where I'm from, tool and jackass are pretty much interchangeable. I was calling you a jackass. :)
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Oh well that makes me feel so much better:(
But seriously just because I recommend that you don't buy grab bags, may make my opinion differ than yours, but it certainly doesn't warrant being called a jackass.
I wonder if any of you screaming freedrom of speech are going to tell your child, if you have one, when he/she comes home crying because some other child called him/her a liar, that the other kid was merely expressing his right to freedom of speech.
So what am I going to do? call a lawyer?
We do have a right to free speech. That does not necessarily give us a right to speak untruths. Freedom of speech does not insulate us from people who lie whether it is kids on playground, grownups at work, business rivals, or friends on the internet. Somehow we have to wade through the mess and come to our own conclusions about it all.
Having read where the cyber "cops" are fining a lot of Blogs big bucks, they obviously have the legal backing behind them to do this. Cyberspace and these blogs are not the only blogs where people love to smack people without any cause. There are neighborhood blogs who bully their neighbors by putting half truths up. The mother who played a teenager and caused the young neighbor girl to commit suicide is now charged with manslaughter. You may think what you say is ok but when it comes back to bite some of you in the ass then I guess you'll have second thoughts. Until then it's quite funny reading about how attorneys will do this and not do that and to the attorney who took offense...well I've worked for lots of attorneys and they've taken cases that are even more" rediculous" so they are out there. Maybe you are one of the lucky ones who is making a nice living many are what we call starving sort of like starving artists only they are starving attorneys. ROFL
4:38 I didn't say that my opinion differed from yours. I also think it's not too bright to give your money to someone without seeing the product first. That's why so many of us like the reveal blogs, so we can see the bag before we buy it. You coming here, spouting some stupid crap about how people shouldn't buy grab bags because they never know what is inside them, is what makes you a jackass. We want to know what's inside them before we buy them, that's the whole point. Tool.
The Dark Side showed screenshots of a yahoo group and designers that advertise at that yahoo group. There is no defamation here. It is all fact. Now if they said that "I" was participating at that yahoo group and "I" wasn't even a member of the group that would be an untruth and could be defamation of my character.
It is not unreasonable for us to make an assumption that if a designer is advertising at a pirate group that they have the opportunity to download the pirated goods. Whether any particular designer did indeed download any of the pirated kits is unknown. But it is not unreasonable for us to discuss it. This is not considered defamation because we were given cause by way of the screen shots.
LOL, I've never seen 'tool' described that way before. Where I'm from, tool and jackass are pretty much interchangeable. I was calling you a jackass. :)
August 19, 2008 4:14 PM
LOL Where I come from "tool" means dickhead, wanker, idiot.
well I've worked for lots of attorneys and they've taken cases that are even more" rediculous"
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Things that make you go hmmmm...
*crickets*
*tumbleweed*
whoever said women can't be quiet! LOL
Maybe the police came and got the blog owner LOL
Free the HOF One!
Let's all scrap some placards...
I think she's on vacation..or maybe the police did come knocking! LOL
Oh the darkside has really put their foot in it now. They have just proven to everyone just how good it is to make assumptions based on so called 'proof'.
oh god who cares
NEXT
I think the people who have been under the dark sides attack probably care.
Not the first time they've put something up without knowing the whole story.
National Enquirer of digital scrapbooking.
How sad that we can't think of anything interesting to talk about other than the dark side. Come on ladies....who cares about the yucky designers caught pirating that they talk about. I doubt that many scrappers purchase from them anyway.
I am intrigued by Cathy Z's Design Your Life class over at Big Picture Scrapbooking. http://www.bigpicturescrapbooking.com/designyourlife.php
But it is $99 and 12 weeks ending December 25th. I can actually do the money with my bonus but I am concerned about being able to devote myself to the class over the holidays.
Has anyone taken any classes from this site?
I agree that it's sad that they keep being brought up, but it's sad what they keep doing to people. Sensationalism.
As for the class, I looked at it, and it's not something I would be interested in. But, if you have the money and can donate your time over the holidays, and it's something your interested in, I say go for it!
I see a lot of sameness in kits, even by popular designers:
leaves/twigs/etc
cutsie owls/birds/trees/frogs/mushrooms
swirly string
Is anyone sick of this? It's all starting to run together...
No I don't get sick of it. Anymore than I get sick of the same kinds of purses or clothes each season. I just look for things that catch my eye and that I like. And I pretty much skip the rest.
I do get tired of it, which is why I don't shop the popular designers, anymore than I shop the popular stores. I find the boutiques and get something unique.
What sites would you consider boutiques that have unique things?
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