Sorry, I was out of town and knew when I checked the blog today and saw that many comments something must be going down. I must admit I haven't read it all, but I skipped to the last page to read the ending. I kind of feel sorry for her, as she seems to play the victim card and blame others for the situations she creates or fabricates. I still have many questions...like who is the hat girl in the hotel? How is MB involved in this? Who leaked the first screen shot of the DST post?
Carry on...
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«Oldest ‹Older 1201 – 1339 of 1339I don't say everything that is on my mind. Just because I'm thinking about sex doesn't mean that I need to discuss it on a scrap message board. I prefer to talk and joke about it privately with my DH. Doesn't mean I'm repressed. Just in a healthy relationship.
But I really don't mind how DSA does their joking. It isn't in the scrapping section. So I just avoid some of the chatter. When a convo goes down that road, I'm finished reading it. They can do what they want.
But don't be calling me repressed just because I prefer to not participate!
I agree. When I shop at a brick-and-mortar place of business I will hardly find myself surrounded by salesmen(women) laughing and joking about dildos and what goes on inside a hot guy's pants. There is a time and place for everything. That type of conversation is unprofessional in the company of customers, but perfectly OK joking about in the back office.
Now you might argue that forums like DSA are not stores - just a place to hang out and customers don't go there to buy anything. But that hardly is the case. In addition to chatter, customers DO go there to see new products, ask questions, find out about challenges, etc etc. And yes, it does change my opinion of certain designers I sometimes by from when I see them wallow in the mud of sexual innuendos. I am not going to apologize for that neither I am denying them an avenue for free speech. I'm just saying that it DOES influence their professional image.
You may argue that these risque topics are placed in clearly labeled separate forums, so that you don't have to go there if you are easily offended (Total Drama Island). But when I visit forums I don't go to each subforum individually. I click on the "New Posts" button to see a list of all the latest posts. All the raunchy topics are grouped together with the scrap-related topics, and it's hard to wade through them all to find anything relevant for my own interests.
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If you're going to have an area like that where the general public could wander in and see offensive conversations going on, you've probably lost that person as a customer.
I am NOT a prude by any means. I treat online stores and forums as I would any other business. If I walked into any brick-and-morter store and wanted to ask a question but had to listen to something inappropriate before getting my questions answered, I'd walk right back out the door.
I don't believe (and I could be wrong) that you'd ever find any company that would let their employees talk about anything offensive on that company's open public web forum.
May 18, 2009 1:48 PM
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This is where the lines become blurred in a "general" forum like DST/DSA where there is not only business/scrap talk, but also everyday chatter. You try to combine a place where designers can hawk their wares, scrappers can find products/advice/information... with a place where controversial hot topics or just general everyday chit-chat take place.
Some people hang out there for the "community" aspect, to make friends, joke, share, etc. Others just go to find information related to scrapbooking. Some do both. You just cannot please everybody all the time. The one group has to be accommodating to the other.
Politics, religion and sex are all controversial subjects that illicit varying degrees of responses. Those should be separated from "business" topics.
In a real place of business should be made comfortable to roam around in search of what she's looking for without being exposed to controversy. If I were to accidentally overhear the employees at a grocery store, travel agency, real estate broker, etc talk about politics, religion and sex out in the open, I would feel uncomfortable and think they portray their business in a negative light.
If I were to hang out at my local coffee shop, bar or gardening club, I might not be so affected because it is not a business location but a place to socialize.
I don't really get the whole 'professionalism' talking point that seem to be endemic here. Most designers I know (including myself) barely make minimum wage after everything gets factored in (amount of time spent developing a kit, store commission, time spent working on promotionals and with CTs, etc.) and I think the same is true for the stores. Point is, most of us do this because we love it and the community, not because we're making millions of dollars a year. Wal-Mart or IBM this ain't.
May 17, 2009 9:32 PM
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This is the kind of logic that just boggles my mind.
So, because designers aren't making big bucks, they should not act like professionals? Would you say the same thing for police officers, firefighters, teachers, librarians, or people in other low-paid careers??? Well, they're not doing this to get rich, they're doing it for the love of the job, so it's ok if they don't act professional???
Please. If you're a librarian, like it or not, when you venture out into the community where you work, you're wearing your librarian hat. Same goes for policemen, firefighters, EMTs, teachers, and on and on and on. If designers want to be taken seriously, it's really no different for them.
DST and DSA are not stores that can provide great customer service or good prices--they are communities. When designers act unprofessionally in a COMMUNITY, it is going to affect how their customers' opinions of them. It's not just the dildo thread at DSA. There's plenty of stupid designer behavior over at DST, too--hot topics is just one example.
Oh get over yourselves.
The trash talk is contained in its own little spot, so it's hard to see why the oh-so-easily-offended are there reading in the first place.
Oh get over yourselves.
May 18, 2009 5:44 PM
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Who? Although, considering this highly childish response, you probaby aren't sure. It's been a really interesting discussion and no one name called or anything! I'm impressed.
But when I visit forums I don't go to each subforum individually. I click on the "New Posts" button to see a list of all the latest posts. All the raunchy topics are grouped together with the scrap-related topics, and it's hard to wade through them all to find anything relevant for my own interests.
May 18, 2009 4:30 PM
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It's not that hard to look on the far right where the forum is named.
Lots of interesting kits this week for SYTYCD but not very many of them are scrapable. IMHO. I like Flergs, but the hell would you scrap with it?
Gee, the blog is good exposure for DSA. there are a gazillion people online right now. There is a forum that I participate in that has an erotic writing section. It's a private area that you need to request permission to view & participate.
I'm a member of DSA too & I never really thought about boycotting a designer because of the total drama section. FWIW, I'm a Christian & I don't boycott Pagan designers either.
I really don't recall anyone here stating they will boycott a designer, LOL. Some posters were just saying that it opened their eyes a bit to see what they term "unprofessional" behaviour from some designers they didn't expect to get involved that way. Refusing to buy those designers' stuff is just plain silly! They are real women just like you and me. Rather boycott those that are guilty of far greater "offenses", real ones like stealing, etc.
SUTUCD
I really like Seni's kit and Megan Turnidge's and Amy Sumrall's. I'm not sure I can use the birds, but I love her papers.
And at the risk of bringing out the obsessed Flergs haters, her kit this week is awesome.
Gee, the blog is good exposure for DSA. there are a gazillion people online right now.
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yep. Hate or love it, DSA just proves that there is a serious market for a site that's not like DST.
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Gee, the blog is good exposure for DSA. there are a gazillion people online right now.
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yep. Hate or love it, DSA just proves that there is a serious market for a site that's not like DST.
May 18, 2009 6:46 PM
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I agree! I just hope they remain small, intimate and friendly and not too big to manage. I think DST started off the same way in the beginning but just snowballed and hard to control.
My fav this week so far is Flerg's kit! I love that it's not cutesy when so many are. Grungy is way more my style =)
I've heard of Flerg's before but this is the first of her stuff that I've seen/downloaded. After reading this blog I was expecting to see nothing special from her, but she's my #1 pick for this contest.
I also love Amy Sumrall's kits (all of them!)
And I thought Suzy Q should have got further - her stuff is def better than Colie's at the very least.
Gee, the blog is good exposure for DSA. there are a gazillion people online right now.
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or it could be that they are hosting a design contest and a bunch of people are there to snag the free stuff.
I seriously doubt it is this blog!
I really don't recall anyone here stating they will boycott a designer, LOL.
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Um, yes they did. You need to reread this blog.
FWIW, I'm a Christian & I don't boycott Pagan designers either.
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Me neither. I don't care what religion a designer chooses. If you are a good designer, you deserve to make a living too!
Please. If you're a librarian, like it or not, when you venture out into the community where you work, you're wearing your librarian hat.
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Our local librarian got fired for moonlighting in a strip club in another city. Big huge scandal. She argued it was her right to do whatever she wanted in her free time. The board decided to fire her since they had a moonlighting clause in her contract. I wonder if they would have done the same thing if she worked at McD's in her spare time?
But a designer owns their own business. If they want to be trashy on the forums, as long as their store owner doesn't care, then that's their choice. Who knows if they'll really lose customers for it?
Flergs' kit is the best by far, I totally agree. All you haters out there, you probably downloaded it too. haha
Our local librarian got fired for moonlighting in a strip club in another city. Big huge scandal. She argued it was her right to do whatever she wanted in her free time. The board decided to fire her since they had a moonlighting clause in her contract. I wonder if they would have done the same thing if she worked at McD's in her spare time?
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I know it was a rhetorical question, but I'd bet big money that she wouldn't have been fired if she worked at McD's.
Some jobs like librarians, firefighters, cops, teachers, etc. just hold you to higher standards in your personal life. You always have to mind your p's and q's-even on your own time. It sounds like some people feel that this kind of thing applies to designers.
I also think you're right about never knowing if or how much business it will really cost them if they act trashy in the community.
There are a lot of prim and proper types in scrapping, though.
So..being AD's best friend and all...Paula Phillips is allowed to post at DSA?
To those of you how downloaded Flergs' kit, what are you going to scrap with it? I'd end up deleting half of it, the skulls (I already have similar ones in my stash), the flaming post (just no use for it), the concert ticket (too specific), I dunno. Would to love hear what you would scrap with it.
I'm not a Flergs hater, I actually like a lot of her stuff. However, her week 3 kit is one I DON'T like. Just not my taste.
Based on the previews (haven't downloaded yet), I like Amy Stoeffel's and Megan Turnridge's the best.
Based on the previews (haven't downloaded yet), I like Amy Stoeffel's and Megan Turnridge's the best.
May 18, 2009 10:21 PM
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The only one I've downloaded so far is Seni's.
My DD is pretty tomboy-ish and loves to dance. I tend to use a lot of grungy/punky stuff for LOs of her dancing, so that was my first thought when I saw Flerg's Helter Skelter kit. I know exactly what to use that for.
Her 365 kit? Not so nice. But she knows that, so.....
Flergs sure stands out, that is for sure...I am looking forward to seeing what her CTs do with it...I enjoy their creations! Don't know any of them, but they seem to have a good time! heck, sometimes I see a kit and go, pfft, what will I do with it and then a CTer totally rocks the kit and I can see all kinds of possibilities!
When did this blog become the "DSA Hall of Fame?"
I am NOT a prude by any means. I treat online stores and forums as I would any other business. If I walked into any brick-and-morter store and wanted to ask a question but had to listen to something inappropriate before getting my questions answered, I'd walk right back out the door.
I don't believe (and I could be wrong) that you'd ever find any company that would let their employees talk about anything offensive on that company's open public web forum.
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VERY well said. ITA.
From the very first post on this blog:
"Our Mission
Our mission is simple. They post the material at DST, MSA, or any other digi scrapbook message board, and you can come here and discuss, without fear of backlash from the community.
Overzealous CT mob, mother of the year contender, Designer conference room cat fight, charity scandal, a layout that has been posted, whatever you want to have further discussion about, if it has been posted for sharing on a digital scrapbook message board, you are free to link us up for discussion.
There have been some classic threads at that message board. Let's preserve them for historical purposes!
I am open to suggestions, reader submissions. I was thinking of having Flashback Friday, and some other features."
So I guess that means DSA and any other "hub" as well, right?
I agree the ones who are repressed are the ones who feel the need to brag and talk about it publically. Those of us who get it good have no need for further discussion.
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ITA again.
I agree. When I shop at a brick-and-mortar place of business I will hardly find myself surrounded by salesmen(women) laughing and joking about dildos and what goes on inside a hot guy's pants. There is a time and place for everything. That type of conversation is unprofessional in the company of customers, but perfectly OK joking about in the back office.
Now you might argue that forums like DSA are not stores - just a place to hang out and customers don't go there to buy anything. But that hardly is the case. In addition to chatter, customers DO go there to see new products, ask questions, find out about challenges, etc etc. And yes, it does change my opinion of certain designers I sometimes by from when I see them wallow in the mud of sexual innuendos. I am not going to apologize for that neither I am denying them an avenue for free speech. I'm just saying that it DOES influence their professional image.
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I feel the same way. And I think there are lots like us that are taking our spending $$ elsewhere - but that probably doesn't matter one way or the other to anyone at DSA at this point, so it is what it is. :)
From the very first post on this blog:
"Our Mission
Our mission is simple. They post the material at DST, MSA, or any other digi scrapbook message board, and you can come here and discuss, without fear of backlash from the community.
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Well, aren't you Little Miss Smarty Pants? (oops, copyright violation ;) )
I haven't read that far back. Thanks.
Seriously? Here? Why don't you whackjob prudes slink on back to your poor sex-starved husbands and talk about your quilting bee over at FAITH SISTERS.
ROFL!! Maybe I am, maybe I ain't ...
You're welcome.
quilting bee ...
May 19, 2009 1:10 AM
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Who said anything about quilting? We talk about scrapping.
You're so angry we KNOW you ain't gettin' any!
Oh, great..... they are back. Whoop-dee-doo! Puhleeze! The whole reason this blog was formed was so that people could voice their opinions without the DST sunshine brigade censoring their posts. That means that EVERYONE can post here if they want to....not just potty-mouthed tramps who want to smack everything. There is room here for "quilters" and ordinary folk too who have something to say. Since when do YOU have exclusive rights and feel you can get off telling others they aren't welcome here??? That is exactly the same kind of "banishment" people felt at DST. Except now you are trying to reverse the roles. You are pathetic.....
I agree the ones who are repressed are the ones who feel the need to brag and talk about it publically. Those of us who get it good have no need for further discussion.
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They also feel the need to call those of us who don't want to read crude posts about it prudes. I guess they are just defensive since they have know sex life outside the jokes on the scrapping forums.
That should read
"NO sex life outside"...
Wish english wasn't a second language.
This layout creeps me out:
http://digiscrapaddicts.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=14776
It's well done and artistic but I would FREAK if my baby got hung up on his overalls!
This layout creeps me out:
http://digiscrapaddicts.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=14776
It's well done and artistic but I would FREAK if my baby got hung up on his overalls!
May 19, 2009 1:36 AM
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I don't even think it's artistic. It doesn't say anything about the baby. It's a pure CT for promo LO and you can tell. There's no feeling to it at all.
OK, LOL! This conversation has taken some interesting turns. Listen, I totally respect your right to not buy/download my designs if you think I am some kind of crude sexed up gal. I am sorry if I offend you, truly.
It's just so funny because a few weeks ago on this blog someone called me a bible thumper (not by name, just referring to one of my posts) and now I am some sex starved maniac! LOL! I'm really not either of those things. I think am just your average 36 year old woman who like to joke around sometimes and blow off steam and make things fun and friendly! I hardly think my post about that ya gabba gabba thing is THAT crude, or any of the other stuff at DSA. I just think it's fun and silly, but maybe I am more twisted that I knew!
Amy, you're a cool gal!! I don't think they were criticizing YOU per se, but some of the replies from other people (both designer, CT members and scrappers).
and some of the remarks from the posters on this blog.
I liked the baby in overalls, how different all our taste are! I also agree it isn't something I would scrap, but it made me look at the designer of the kit. Good CTer! lol
I pondered how you took the picture...or is it your picture, didn't notice if it was a stock photo...forgot to look. Anyone know?
Listen, I totally respect your right to not buy/download my designs if you think I am some kind of crude sexed up gal. I am sorry if I offend you, truly.
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I didn't say you were a crude sexed up gal, just unprofessional, that is all.
And yeah, when it comes down to choosing to buy between you or someone that knows how to be professional in a public setting, I would choose the other. But to each her own.
And I really do see your point, I promise!
However, I honestly do not think I am unprofessional at all. I am working in a creative field where my "job" is to express MYSELF through my creations. Each kit I make is really a look inside at who I am. It's a very personal thing: designing and scrapping.
I am expressing myself through my designs and scrappers are expressing themselves through their LO's. So, with that in mind, how I conduct myself in the forums will always be in line with how I design... I will be myself! Some will like it, some won't but I am not going to change who I am.
I agree, this is a business, but what I am trying to convey is, that it is not like banking or something where everything is very non-personal, number crunching, that kind of thing. This is an CREATIVE industry where everyone is really showing who they are through their designs. At least that's how I design. It is also a very personable and community orientated industry.
Some reasons why I do think of myself as professional are: I always answer CS inquiries right away and in a polite manner. I never smack, belittle or put people down, ever. I don't steal, pirate, copy, cheat or lie. I do my best to provide quality products that people can use to preserve their memories.
That's all! No hard feelings ;0)
OK, LOL! This conversation has taken some interesting turns. Listen, I totally respect your right to not buy/download my designs if you think I am some kind of crude sexed up gal. I am sorry if I offend you, truly.
It's just so funny because a few weeks ago on this blog someone called me a bible thumper (not by name, just referring to one of my posts) and now I am some sex starved maniac! LOL! I'm really not either of those things. I think am just your average 36 year old woman who like to joke around sometimes and blow off steam and make things fun and friendly! I hardly think my post about that ya gabba gabba thing is THAT crude, or any of the other stuff at DSA. I just think it's fun and silly, but maybe I am more twisted that I knew!
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I for one love your attitude Amy, and I respect that you post here with your name and make no excuses for your post at DSA. I must be twisted too because I haven't posted there but I read everything and laugh really hard at Shauna's stories and Flergs' location etc. I've never bought anything from you before, but I sure will now! Keep it up!
And yeah, when it comes down to choosing to buy between you or someone that knows how to be professional in a public setting, I would choose the other.
May 19, 2009 9:49 AM
Hey 9:49, I think you're full of shit. You're telling us that you'd buy crappy designs from someone who acts "professional" however YOU define that word, as opposed to a great designer who tells a dirty joke in a public forum? You're full of shit and obnoxious on top of it. Go the hell away.
Seriously? Here? Why don't you whackjob prudes slink on back to your poor sex-starved husbands and talk about your quilting bee over at FAITH SISTERS.
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Hilarious...have you ever noticed that all the Catholics, Mormons, Church of Christ, etc. have tons of kids. I am guessing very few of their husbands are sex starved! Maybe they are sitting at quilting bees because they are exhausted from all the marital relations and need a break!
It looks like that poor baby is hanging on for dear life and losing air at the same time. Not quite what I would call artistic. I sure would not run out and buy the kit for it.
Do you guys seriously only want to talk about scrapping? Is there no NSBR sections where you guys hang out?
I, for one, find it refreshing to talk about something OTHER than Enable Me: Boy Kits! If you don't like it, don't click on it, if you don't like the designer, or you think she's unprofessional, spend your money somewhere else.
You're not going to be missed, I promise.
Now, run along and go catalog your Waltons and Little House on the Prairie collections.
Now, run along and go catalog your Waltons and Little House on the Prairie collections.
May 19, 2009 11:37 AM
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Why don't you run along and catalog your Jerry Springer and porno collection?
You're not going to be missed, I promise.
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This is the kind of shitty-ass "I'm better than you" comment that pisses me off to no end and exactly why I stopped buying. This blog and the DST forum was all I needed to realize what a bullshit scam the whole industry is.
The truly funny thing is that all the posts being discussed here as being "crude" and "unprofessional" are in the STATED NSBR threads, and most of them are in the STATED drama (adult) thread of "Total Drama Island." (If you read the forum, under the "Babble" thread, it states, Non-Scrapbooking related topics.) If all you want to talk about is scrapbooking related topics, then stay out of the NSBR threads. It's really rather simple.
To the Designer that posted for the poster to run along to their Waltons Collection and that they wont be missed. Well it is because of snotty ass Designers like you that think you are better then the rest. Well keep getting that attitude and you might just be missing some people. Believe me if I knew who your sorry ass was I would not be shopping with you again.
Why don't you run along and catalog your Jerry Springer and porno collection?
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LOLOLOLOL!
To the Designer that posted for the poster to run along to their Waltons Collection and that they wont be missed. Well it is because of snotty ass Designers like you that think you are better then the rest. Well keep getting that attitude and you might just be missing some people. Believe me if I knew who your sorry ass was I would not be shopping with you again.
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ITA! Not even going to respond to those oh-so-classy ladies who posted previously, they are of the same mentality as most at DSA, so not sure why we are killing this point to death!
Money talks, and we will see how long designers like that actually keep their customers respect and stay in business!
Ok, so this is getting SOOOOOOooooo boring -- NEW TOPIC please!!!!
Ok, so this is getting SOOOOOOooooo boring -- NEW TOPIC please!!!!
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AMEN!
AMYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!! You flippin ROCK and I love that you are YOU and you have a sense of humor and know how to have fun! Some people are stuffy and try to find something bad in everything because they lead sad pathetic lives. Stay YOU...don't change. YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GABBA GABBA!!!
AMYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!! You flippin ROCK and I love that you are YOU and you have a sense of humor and know how to have fun! Some people are stuffy and try to find something bad in everything because they lead sad pathetic lives. Stay YOU...don't change. YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GABBA GABBA!!!
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YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! HEY!! Why don't you ... go back to high school!!!!
What a dork.
Lol. I'm not a designer. I just think it's crap that you're pitching a fit about what's in NSBR threads. Stay out of them if you're going to get your granny panties in a bunch.
How about we change the subject? Does anyone know who this CrookedHalo person is that I've heard some of the designers bitching about?
re: Flergs' kit - I could see it being used with skateboarding, motorcycles, tatoos, bmx, etc. Not everyone has little princesses to scrap.
My favorite kits are mle card's and faith true's this week.
I will get my granny panties out of a bunch when you take your crusty ass thong off and wash it you dirty bitch.
I will get my granny panties out of a bunch when you take your crusty ass thong off and wash it you dirty bitch.
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The fact that your mind thinks of things to say like this is telling. Yuck.
WV=sties
As in, women who talk so trashy should sleep in STIES with the rest of the pigs
My faves so far are Flergs', Maelia's, Amy Sumrall's and Seni's.
Now if I could stop procrastinating and finish my own kit, I might actually make the deadline!
I meant my faves for round 3, not overall.
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! HEY!! Why don't you ... go back to high school!!!!
What a dork.
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LOL Ditto.
Except you should say preschool.
If all you DSA chickies don't like what we have to say about you here, go back to your little chat rooms.
You won't be missed, I promise.
How about we change the subject? Does anyone know who this CrookedHalo person is that I've heard some of the designers bitching about?
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All I know is that she's a pirate at that demonoid site. I don't know who she is or anything.
[i]I hadn't spent much time at DSA yet, (but was looking forward to checking it out and trying a new forum - hell knows we need something else from what is out there) and all the talk here on this blog made me go and see what the hype is about.
All I can say is I felt like I was in high school again listening to a bunch of immature chatter... Most of the posts just made me roll my eyes, and I thought..nice, not exactly the place to act like this. (And I am 30, so no, not an old bitty either).
I guess that is great if you like that kind of thing, but I won't be going back and hanging there. I won't be buying from those designers either, my first thought was - 'Yeah, that is very unprofessional. Period.' Even Amy's posts (which yeah, are not the worst by far)- are very unprofessional.
I can see that DSA forum turning off a LOT of people like me that are looking for a great place to hang, scrap, and find cool new stuff to buy - it did me.
And I know those girls will go on with their horny jokes and silliness just fine without me, but I do think they are turning away quite a bit of business/growing opportunities by acting so unprofessional. Flame away, but just speaking from a consumer point of view.[/i]
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ITA. The posts aren't offensive to me in the least. But, they don't promote community...in fact it's a display of EXCLUSIONARY behavior as defined here:
DEFINING EXCLUSION:
PUT FORMALLY, IN ANY SOCIAL FIELD THERE ARE DIFFERENTIAL SYSTEMS OF RECOGNITION AND DISTINCTION THAT DIVIDE AND ORGANIZE PEOPLE'S PARTICIPATION. [B]WHEN INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT PARTICIPATING, THEY ARE EXCLUDED.[/B]
Those designers need to ask themselves these questions:
-Do these posts make newcomers feel welcomed?
-Do these posts have broad appeal to scrappers old, young, different religions and political views?
-What percentage of members are participating in these discussions verses how many are just reading in silence?
-Do the posts make the designer sound like a professional?
-Do the posts make any group of people feel uncomfortable?
I think this is the first sign that DSA is going to be just like FPD (I remember when FPD was a cool happening place, and the designers/CT members acted this very same way...and just look at it now).
That kind of posting only appeals to a very SMALL percentage of scrappers - and they are alienating everyone else. Just very juvenile Cliquey behavior. I used to think highly of some of these designers, now I think they're just trashy - no wonder Amanda/Lilyanne wanted to hang with them!
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! HEY!! Why don't you ... go back to high school!!!!
What a dork.
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LOL Ditto.
Except you should say preschool.
If all you DSA chickies don't like what we have to say about you here, go back to your little chat rooms.
You won't be missed, I promise.
May 19, 2009 5:06 PM
Awwww, so sorry to disappoint I am not a DSA person but you are all a bunch of stuck up bitches. So SHUT THE FUCK UP unless you have something at least intelligent to say or worth reading! And trust me you wouldn't be missed either.
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I second that one!
I will get my granny panties out of a bunch when you take your crusty ass thong off and wash it you dirty bitch.
May 19, 2009 4:12 PM
Someone wants their thong back!!! And I think they are the dirty bitch who probably has a rotted twat cause she isn't getting any. Get some anger management fucking twat!
ITA. Well said. I am a designer and was thinking of paying for some advertising at DSA, but have decided not to for this very reason. The topics of discussion there have turned me off completely and I really don't want my name associated with a place like that. Kinda sad, really. I was hoping for a fun, new alternative to DST, but have only found another bunch of cliquey, crude, and unprofessional girls.----------------
You sound like a sharp gal! If I were a designer, I'd look for a better advertising medium too. One that doesn't promote drama and cliques.
I'm not a designer, but I'm on a site CT for one of the most successful and popular stores. I wouldn't participate in that kind of trash-talk because I wouldn't want to represent my store in a negative light....and I'm just a CT member! But, I feel like it's my responsibility to represent my designers/store in the community at all times.
Awwww, so sorry to disappoint I am not a DSA person but you are all a bunch of stuck up bitches. So SHUT THE FUCK UP unless you have something at least intelligent to say or worth reading! And trust me you wouldn't be missed either.
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awww...Did I offend? Your little internet anon blog capital letter shouting is quite entertaining. Was that supposed to make me all worried or feel guilty or something?
Like I said, if you don't like it, you know where the little "x" is on your browser.
Awwww, so sorry to disappoint I am not a DSA person but you are all a bunch of stuck up bitches. So SHUT THE FUCK UP unless you have something at least intelligent to say or worth reading! And trust me you wouldn't be missed either.
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awww...Did I offend? Your little internet anon blog capital letter shouting is quite entertaining. Was that supposed to make me all worried or feel guilty or something?
Like I said, if you don't like it, you know where the little "x" is on your browser.
May 19, 2009 6:03 PM
This banter is so amusing because it is nothing but little SAHMs that have nothing better to do that blow off some steam on a lame blog.
yet here you are....
I only come here to read it because it is hilarious...not to shoot off at the mouth like an idiot. Which leads me to believe that you are the ringmaster of the idiots!
WHEN INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT PARTICIPATING, THEY ARE EXCLUDED.
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This is some of the most moronic crap I've heard in a long time. Who the hell wrote that?
I'm not participating by choice. They are not excluding me. I'm sorry but exclusion in the internet world is more of feeling than an actual act unless someone ACTUALLY says something shitty to you. (and not on an anon blog)
This isn't your normal playground where a kid can push you out of the way or SAY "we aren't your friends."
Whenever I present the question of proof for "exclusion" at DST, no one is able to provide me with a decent link. Without a hard example, I believe that it is only a feeling and not something that is really happening. And most of the time it is that we can't think of the appropriate way to break into the conversation so we just end up hitting the back button. Or we feel like they are "tight friends" but if we would just say something we probably would be INCLUDED.
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I agree. To add to that when my DS goes to the playground and stands by my side rather than playing with the other kids, he isn't being exluded by the other kids. He's choosing not to participate.
It's not that different on forums. Jump right in. Or not. Then at least if they are actually rude you'll have something to post here on the blog.
not to shoot off at the mouth like an idiot. Which leads me to believe that you are the ringmaster of the idiots!
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um ok.
I believe you just shot off your mouth right there.
I only come here to read it because it is hilarious...not to shoot off at the mouth like an idiot. Which leads me to believe that you are the ringmaster of the idiots!
May 19, 2009 6:12 PM
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Oh, the irony!
This banter is so amusing because it is nothing but little SAHMs that have nothing better to do that blow off some steam on a lame blog.
May 19, 2009 6:08 PM
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You have a problem with SAHMs? I'm not one, and yet here I am too. I know quite a few women who came here during their working hours.
I only come here to read it because it is hilarious...not to shoot off at the mouth like an idiot. Which leads me to believe that you are the ringmaster of the idiots!
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yet here you are....
What if you do participate but you are constantly overlooked? You know you are overlooked because you say something, which everyone ignores, until someone else says it, when everyone responds. That is exclusion. This has happened to me on several occasions at DSA, not that I care, I know not to go there for the forums, just for the free kits. I have a place to hang where people interact, discuss art and are intelligent. What more can I want?
Hilarious...have you ever noticed that all the Catholics, Mormons, Church of Christ, etc. have tons of kids. I am guessing very few of their husbands are sex starved! Maybe they are sitting at quilting bees because they are exhausted from all the marital relations and need a break!
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LOL!
I agree - I hate when people stereotype...especially when they're completely wrong! To assume that Christians don't have sex! Please!
I only come here to read it because it is hilarious...not to shoot off at the mouth like an idiot. Which leads me to believe that you are the ringmaster of the idiots!
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yet here you are....
May 19, 2009 6:37 PM
boy, you have a big vocabulary.
Vous êtes une fichue chienne et n'êtes pas très intelligent. Si vous vous étiez ne pendrait pas sur un blog comme a perdu un peu le chiot.
I, for one, find it refreshing to talk about something OTHER than Enable Me: Boy Kits! If you don't like it, don't click on it, if you don't like the designer, or you think she's unprofessional, spend your money somewhere else.
You're not going to be missed, I promise.
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Thank you! You've illustrated my point perfectly! You see, it's not about sex, porn or offensive posts. It's about posting things that make a lot of people uncomfortable. And then making THEM feel like they are un-welcomed and not part of the community.
This is some of the most moronic crap I've heard in a long time. Who the hell wrote that?
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It came from a scientific study of social exclusion among high school students. But, since we aren't really in school (we just act like it), here's a more general definition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_inclusion
What else you got to insult me with, some Russian? Polish?
G'head.
Silly internet people.
Lol. I'm not a designer. I just think it's crap that you're pitching a fit about what's in NSBR threads. Stay out of them if you're going to get your granny panties in a bunch.
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Oh boy...just another example. Granny's are supposed to be old, gray haired ladies who never had sex? Sort of silly don't ya think? Truth is, there are lots of grannys that are scrappers. And lots of grannys that are in their forties. And guess what? Lots of grannys are probably reading this blog! I bet some of them even still use a dildo!
But, I wonder how welcomed these masturbating, money-spending, Christian grannies are feeling at DSA right now?
Cause the DSA trash-talkers just continue to show that you have to be a uber-cool twenty-something designer who gets wet for Edward to be part of DSA! oooh I'm SO intimidated now. rolls eyes.
Awwww, so sorry to disappoint I am not a DSA person but you are all a bunch of stuck up bitches. So SHUT THE FUCK UP unless you have something at least intelligent to say or worth reading! And trust me you wouldn't be missed either.
May 19, 2009 5:43 PM
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And this is intelligent and worth reading? I think not.
Cause the DSA trash-talkers just continue to show that you have to be a uber-cool twenty-something designer who gets wet for Edward to be part of DSA! oooh I'm SO intimidated now. rolls eyes.
May 19, 2009 7:04 PM
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I think most of them are 30 something aren't they? The whole Twilight thing is disturbing, not because of the vampires, but because of the way grown women behave over it. I was having a chat with the teen daughter of a friend of mine and mentioned the Twilight love fest going on with women my age and she was horrified and disgusted.
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I agree the Twilight thing is ridiculous. Now, I do like the True Blood/Sookie Stackhouse novels and show but it is for ADULTS. :)
I don't get into that whole twilight thing...never read the books/saw the movie (if there was one, I don't know) but isn't that a kids/teen thing? I never heard of it until I read some threads about it on some forum somewhere.
I liked the Anne Rice books but those are adult novels. (oohh..speaking of Anne Rice, anyone ever read her books under her pseudonym A. N. Roquelaure, The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty? Definitely NOT for children. lol)
some of these ladies that go on and on about the guy that plays Edward, I would say are old enough to be his mother. Which is cool I guess if you are into younger men but I am guessing if a daughter brought home the guy the mom would be trying to get down the kids pants. Now that is just sick. Ladies get over it already did you not know that he was gay? So you have the wrong type of equipment anyhow.
I think most of them are 30 something aren't they? The whole Twilight thing is disturbing, not because of the vampires, but because of the way grown women behave over it. I was having a chat with the teen daughter of a friend of mine and mentioned the Twilight love fest going on with women my age and she was horrified and disgusted.
May 19, 2009 7:10 PM
That would be because teenagers don't think anyone but teenagers are having sex. Especially not people their parents' age.
My dad just had hip surgery..he is young for that but anywho my mom was saying that they were gonna ask the Dr. if they could still have sex. I looked at my mom and said please do NOT ever discuss your sex life with me again...LMAO! I was only teasing but seriously no one wants to think of their parents having sex....Ewwwww!
That would be because teenagers don't think anyone but teenagers are having sex. Especially not people their parents' age.
May 19, 2009 8:00 PM
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No, I think it was more the idea of a mother wanting to have sex with someone close to their age.
I was only teasing but seriously no one wants to think of their parents having sex....Ewwwww!
May 19, 2009 8:38 PM
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Geez, grow up already. It doesn't bother me in the least. I remember when I was 16, I caught my mom buying condoms, once I got over the shock, I recommended a better brand.
I liked the Anne Rice books but those are adult novels.
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I couldn't read them, I was bored to tears with them and I tried reading the first two vampire books three times. I gave up on them and her.
So, is Amanda now coming off as LillyAnne at DSA? and still posting?
aren't these two photos the same person?
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=188222&page=10
http://digiscrapaddicts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1493
So, is Amanda now coming off as LillyAnne at DSA? and still posting?
aren't these two photos the same person?
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=188222&page=10
http://digiscrapaddicts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1493
May 19, 2009 9:34 PM
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GIVE IT UP!
LOOK at the posting dates. She hasn't posted since 4-20-09
So, is Amanda now coming off as LillyAnne at DSA? and still posting?
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Sherlock's a little slow. Did you finally solve the mystery?
So, is Amanda now coming off as LillyAnne at DSA? and still posting?
aren't these two photos the same person?
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=188222&page=10
http://digiscrapaddicts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1493
May 19, 2009 9:34 PM
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You either just woke from your nap, or you are trying to divert the conversation away from S-E-X. Or you could just be really slow on the uptake.
So, does anyone go to DST anymore?
So, does anyone go to DST anymore?
May 19, 2009 11:33 PM
lol, you would think not, but yes I do, 2 or 3 times a day...I am poppin over to MSA every now and again too!
I think with all the newsletters I get, I go thru those more than go to the actual other forums.
So, does anyone go to DST anymore?
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Yes. As much as there are many things that bug me about it, I still prefer it to the high school mentality of DSA.
So, does anyone go to DST anymore?
May 19, 2009 11:33 PM
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I really don't go anywhere anymore, it's all so stale.
Those designers need to ask themselves these questions:
-Do these posts make newcomers feel welcomed?
-Do these posts have broad appeal to scrappers old, young, different religions and political views?
-What percentage of members are participating in these discussions verses how many are just reading in silence?
-Do the posts make the designer sound like a professional?
-Do the posts make any group of people feel uncomfortable?
I think this is the first sign that DSA is going to be just like FPD (I remember when FPD was a cool happening place, and the designers/CT members acted this very same way...and just look at it now).
That kind of posting only appeals to a very SMALL percentage of scrappers - and they are alienating everyone else. Just very juvenile Cliquey behavior. I used to think highly of some of these designers, now I think they're just trashy - no wonder Amanda/Lilyanne wanted to hang with them!
May 19, 2009 5:38 PM
I think these are hard questions to answer. Everyone is different and there is a such a variety of people that scrap. The age range alone is from teenager to senior adults, not to mention religious standpoints, political views, etc. You can't please everyone so why should they even try?
Just like I may buy more traditional kits and you may buy more fantasy type kits... I may find their topics amusing and you may find them offensive.
Personally, I could care less what a designer talks about in their free time. It's in the non scrapbook related section so if I don't feel like talking about anything but scrapping then I don't have to look there. If I want a laugh then I can go check it out.
While at home and out with my friends I talk about sex jokingly and other things that people might find offensive. Do I care what other people think of me when I do this? Not at all, if they don't want to listen they don't have to. While they are chatting in that part of DSA they are just hanging out with friends, nothing wrong with joking around and having a good time.
People who are that easily offended or don't want to read about it just need to stay out of there and stop bitching about it.
I agree the Twilight thing is ridiculous. Now, I do like the True Blood/Sookie Stackhouse novels and show but it is for ADULTS. :)
May 19, 2009 7:18 PM
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I read and loved the Twilight books, but I'm only 24 so maybe I'm allowed to without being talked about? ;) I just love vampires and the books were well written even if they were meant for teenagers. The movie wasn't as good but not a waste of my time.
I've read all of the Sookie books as well. Actually went and bought the last one the day it came out and read it within a few hours. They are definitely for an adult audience. I love her sense of humor in the books, she's an excellent author.
Can't wait for Trueblood to start up again! Eric... yummm!
I think this is the first sign that DSA is going to be just like FPD (I remember when FPD was a cool happening place, and the designers/CT members acted this very same way...and just look at it now).
That kind of posting only appeals to a very SMALL percentage of scrappers - and they are alienating everyone else. Just very juvenile Cliquey behavior. I used to think highly of some of these designers, now I think they're just trashy - no wonder Amanda/Lilyanne wanted to hang with them!
May 19, 2009 5:38 PM
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ITA!!!!
What if you do participate but you are constantly overlooked? You know you are overlooked because you say something, which everyone ignores, until someone else says it, when everyone responds. That is exclusion. This has happened to me on several occasions at DSA, not that I care, I know not to go there for the forums, just for the free kits. I have a place to hang where people interact, discuss art and are intelligent. What more can I want?
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How true this is.
The only forums worth anything there are the Designer/Announcement Forum, The Happy Place & to use their gallery to upload CT stuff.
Think that stupid Praise Game of theirs is worthless. You have the same bunch, saying the same thing over & over again.
DSA bores me to tears.
DSA bores me to tears.
May 20, 2009 6:24 AM
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Think I could say the same about this blog right about now. The past 2 pages of crap...BOR-ING!
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ITA!!!! What a bunch of crap!
Well, please feel free to bring something interesting to the conversation. Bitching about how boring it is accomplishes nothing.
I love how some people just attack SAHM's straight away!
These people obviously have no idea what it's like to be a SAHM otherwise they'd keep their mouths shut!
I am looking at the SYTYCD entries and my top 10 picks this week are redju, sogren, charlize, annabv, mle card, seni, AmySumrall, Maélia Designs, amystoffel, Faith True. I think Faith nailed it this week.
I don't know what's wrong, but I'm not really fond of any of the SYTYCD - I've only downloaded a couple of the last round just for their date elements. Otherwise...it's all been ehh
Well, please feel free to bring something interesting to the conversation. Bitching about how boring it is accomplishes nothing.
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Yep - what could be MORE boring than bitching about everything being boring. Now THAT is boring!
Truth is, the conversation about trash talk at DSA isn't boring. I think this is just DSA designers trying to divert attention to something else.
Truth is, the conversation about trash talk at DSA isn't boring. I think this is just DSA designers trying to divert attention to something else.
Hi Shannon
Truth is, the conversation about trash talk at DSA isn't boring. I think this is just DSA designers trying to divert attention to something else.
May 20, 2009 9:15 AM
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Sorry to disappoint, but nope...just a plain old scrapper here - not a designer, not a CTer, just someone who finds this blog to be enlightening and entertaining at times. I just find this whole "you're repressed/no you're unprofessional" thing to be getting rather old now.
where's kate at?
Sorry to disappoint, but nope...just a plain old scrapper here - not a designer, not a CTer, just someone who finds this blog to be enlightening and entertaining at times. I just find this whole "you're repressed/no you're unprofessional" thing to be getting rather old now.
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ITA.
So, does anyone go to DST anymore?
May 19, 2009 11:33 PM
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I really don't go anywhere anymore, it's all so stale.
May 20, 2009 1:04 AM
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Me neither. I'm a homeless nomad.
To assume that Christians don't have sex!
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Don't you just laugh when people think that Christians don't have sex? According to my Pastor, God told Adam and Eve to have lots and lots of children. An assumption can be made that they needed to have lots and lots of sex in order to accomplish that. But I know Christians who don't have kids and have lots and lots of sex so pretty much there is no correlation between being a Christian and your sex life as far as I can tell.
I was only teasing but seriously no one wants to think of their parents having sex....Ewwwww!
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I don't get why kids think that. How the heck do they think they got here:)
I've read the Twilight books and liked them. I've seen the movie and like it too. I'm middle aged and just shared my Twilight books with a young coworker who is in her 20's. She enjoyed the books to. I really do not think that enjoyment of a story is limited to certain generations.
I just checked out the threads at DSA that you all are talking about. I have no desire to participate in the discussion but it doesn't bother me. They are in Total Drama Island so if the subject bothers anyone they shouldn't go there. I just see a bunch of young gals having fun.
And as far as being too old to lust after a hot young guy...wine doe not spoil with age and neither does sexual attraction. You just may be surprised as you get older the things that you will find yourself attracted to:)
But please do not think for one minute that your generation invented sex and lust!
ITA! The Twilight books are really good! I didn't see it marked anywhere on or inside the book where it said you must be a teenager to read this content. Please! It was the same thing with the Harry Potter books. The parents liked them as much as the kids did.
I was only teasing but seriously no one wants to think of their parents having sex....Ewwwww!
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I don't get why kids think that. How the heck do they think they got here:)
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I walked in on my parents having sex when I was about 13. The door wasn't shut all the way and to this very day (I'm 37) I have never walked into any room, open or closed door, without knocking since. lol
Trust me, it's not a memory you want to have or a subject you EVER want to come up again. LOL eew.
"I don't get why kids think that. How the heck do they think they got here:)"
The Stork?
LOL @ WV = undey
And as far as being too old to lust after a hot young guy...wine doe not spoil with age and neither does sexual attraction. You just may be surprised as you get older the things that you will find yourself attracted to:)
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Wine does spoil with age, I'm considered middle aged and I'm not remotely attracted to younger men, but then, I never have been, even when I was older.
ITA! The Twilight books are really good! I didn't see it marked anywhere on or inside the book where it said you must be a teenager to read this content. Please! It was the same thing with the Harry Potter books. The parents liked them as much as the kids did.
May 20, 2009 6:44 PM
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No one siad you had to be a teenager to read them, but they were written for the teen/young adult market. It's the whole drooling over Edward by women in their 30s that I find annoying.
Wine does spoil with age, I'm considered middle aged and I'm not remotely attracted to younger men, but then, I never have been, even when I was older.
I think you've been drinking the spoiled wine!
I think you've been drinking the spoiled wine!
May 20, 2009 9:40 PM
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Because I don't like younger men? Oh please, I'm not into inexperience and cradle snatching.
Look...Queen Brat thinks she's Queen of the scrapbooking world....as if NO ONE ELSE has piracy issues. Yea...I am so sure this will work!
Hey folks,
I'm going to be making some changes due to all of the piracy of my kits. I will no longer be offering "tagger" size kits in any of my stores and I am retiring a large group of kits that have been pirated. And since so many people have them already illegally, I am going to give you the kits so that you are free to use them without problems. I do hope you enjoy them.
I will continue releasing new kits but they will only come in scrapper size. At the present time they will only be available in my store as it will take time to get them uploaded to my other stores. Also, you will notice that there is a price difference in what you have been paying for the tagger kits. This is due to the fact that it takes more of my time in uploading. I'm sorry about this for those of you that legally purchased your tagger items, but you can blame the group of pirates that are on the net.
And now for the kits. I apologize that there are no previews but I just don't feel like posting them. Take what you want and have fun using them. All I ask is that you be copyright aware and at least give the tube artist the credit they deserve.
You can snag the kits on my scrap blog here:
http://bitsnpiecesofqbd.blogspot.com/
Many designers tend to overreact about piracy. Shit happens. The music industry has a horrid time dealing with pirates as well as the software industry. I am a veteran designer and I can tell you that many of my brand new releases are distributed through yahoo groups usually within a day or two of them being released. I do what I can. I email the file hosting site to get the links removed and then I let it go. If I got all worked up about it I would never have the creativity to design. I would be eaten alive with anger over something I really have no control over.
10:24 I completely agree. She gets targeted moreso because she gets so wound up about it and makes a big hullabaloo. It was just recently that she was talking about getting the fbi involved. Like THAT'S gonna happen. It's in my opinion that the bigger the stink you make, the more of a target you become.
Besides if Adobe cant stop people from pirating their $1,000+ programs, digiscrap designers sure as heck cant stop them from sharing $4 and $5 digiscrap kits.
I just dont understand her reasoning for charging people more for the extra time to ftp a kit. That makes NO sense. Is she trying to lose customers?
Anyway...too much drama and i'll take a pass on whatever she's drinking. lol
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