I saw the infamous "sexy" layout. Unfortunately I didn't have the sense to save it off for future discussion. My first thought was I hope that is a stock photo, because having a third party capture that image might be more awkward than posting it in a scrapbook gallery. Second, the title didn't work for me, it was something like "every life is precious". I think a more appropriate title may have been "Do me now".
Did you all rush out to buy the kit to scrap your last sexcapade? Any recommendations for kits appropriate for scrapping your after hours adventures. Does anybody really scrap that?
Carry on with whatever is going on...CU sharing, DST banning, digital art vs. digital scrapbooking, Christina Renee's grand re-opening, GSO thread abuse....
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Yet another bad analogy. I'm not selling your kit or pieces of your kit as is. Nor did I extract them to sell. I'm selling a flattened image, made from your kit. In some cases, all I might be selling is the actual printed page. How does this effect you? It doesn't. They can't do anything with the flattened image and if they could, they wouldn't be hiring me to do their pages for them because they are quite capable of doing it themselves.
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So as long as Mickey Mouse is in a flattened format or something other that is different from the original picture that he was extracted him from, it's okay?
Just checking.
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Sigh.
Okay, let me see if I can sum up this whole TOU thread-
Designers- Quit being asshats with your stupid, overly restrictive, and insanely complex TOUs or, if not, be prepared to lose some sales. Also, just quit being asshats in general.
Scrappers- Quit stealing designers shit (those few that do) and for those that aren't pirates it's probably a good idea to actually look at a designer's TOU before buying something and it would be good to follow it. No likee, no buyee.
Can we move on to the next topic, please?
To the person that said to have more than one store team the scrapper must have a lot of time on their hands:
As someone who does have more than one store team, it's really not that hard. Especially if you already had CT's at said stores and were active there. In fact I found as I got store teams my load got like incredibly lighter. I had fewer LO's to post each month going from say 4 individuals at one store to just the store itself that requires like 3. It's really not that hard.
I think that the people that have tons of time on their hands are the ones that go around counting up who has what teams. (Speaking generally)
Designers are afraid to "fire" ct members for fear of getting smacked here anonymously so we're in this limbo. It saps my mojo.
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fear of the CT???
what they gonna do
dis your elements?
make a crappy layout and give you credit
come here and say suzie scrapper deluxe designs was mean to me...and said my lo sucked?
and your mojo is sapped because you are scared of your CT?
oh my goodness.
it could be a horror flick!!!
the bootlicking CT turns and bites the hand of the beloved designer, and now she is unable to create....
perhaps we could have loyalty oaths before joining the CT?
track their IPs to see if they read here
I read that stunned...fear of the CT!
wow
Who's Annie?
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I'd like to know too.
Boy there are some scrappers who sure have it in for digital designers these days. What would you do without them. Design your own stuff-now wouldn't that be a novel ideal or you could go back to paper scrapping which will cost you a heck of a lot more money in supplies but make sure when you send in photos of your LOs to mags that you have every credit of everything you used along with your LO or you won't get published.
I mean how many designers even ask to be credited any longer because so many scrappers bitched so much that they wouldn't use designer's product if they wanted to be credited. Well you could do that with Designers who have restrictive TOUs I guess but hmmmm I think that would limit you to very few designers. Designers will give in on some things but not others and TOUs isn't going to be one of the things they give in on.
What would we do without designers??? What would designers do without scrappers?!?! They'd have no business! You should be grateful to us instead of bitching that we should be bowing down to you. By the way, I was scrapping a long time before "digital designers" hit the scene.
ITA w/ 9:30
Designers need scrappers far, far more than the other way around. If all digi designers quit tomorrow, we'd be just fine and still scrapping away. Get over yourselves, designers.
Designers- Quit being asshats with your stupid, overly restrictive, and insanely complex TOUs or, if not, be prepared to lose some sales. Also, just quit being asshats in general.
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worth repeating!
digital designers these days. What would you do without them. Design your own stuff-now wouldn't that be a novel ideal
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There are actually lots of us scrappers making our own stuff now. We'll be just fine without you-kthanxbai!
Who's Annie, can someone please explain this SSD drama and smack blog that got deleted?
You're right...designers need scrappers or there would be no reason for the whole business.
But Digicrapping has exploded exponentially over the last 5 years from only a couple of stores to thousands of designers, blogs and stores. The reason being that more and more regular scrappers decide to become designers on a daily basis. Those scrappers bitching about complicated TOUs will eventually have their own and then someone will be here bitching about those. 'tis the cycle of digiscrapping.
All designers are trying to do with their TOUs is protect their copyrights. What would be the point if we all just said, "here you go. Take it and claim it as yours, resell it, repack it, give it away...whatever you want." If you don't like the restrictions, don't buy. We're not holding guns to anyone's head and saying, "buy my shit, like it and make sure you NEVER go against my terms, damnit!" No one is forcing anyone to buy anything. We put our stuff out there and hope people like it and are willing to abide by whatever terms we may have. I don't think any designers are trying to alienate thier customers by having a terms of use file in with their items.
What would make you all happy? A free-for-all store from every designer, giving all their products away for next to nothing with a big blanket "do what you want" license? If you think this industry is corrupted and sad now, imagine what it would be like then. There wouldn't be anything out there except crappy freebies becuase anyone with any kind of talent wouldn't bother wasting their time anymore.
Who's Annie, can someone please explain this SSD drama and smack blog that got deleted?
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Some chick that got all butt-hurt that she didn't get chosen for some high-school popularity contest and made a one-post blog whining about it.
You didn't miss much.
what about these sites with the free blog skins? Would that fall under the S4H umbrella? Should designers be ok with their kits being made into blog designs and then given away for free?
10:05, blah-blah-blah-blah-blah.
Brevity: it's a good thing.
Designers- Quit being asshats with your stupid, overly restrictive, and insanely complex TOUs or, if not, be prepared to lose some sales. Also, just quit being asshats in general.
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Sing it, sistah!!!
Is there a concession made for S4H as a business vs. S4H on an occasional basis for some friend or family member or coworker who says, "Hey, would you make me a page with my kid's photos?" Or, "Would you make a pet memorial page for a friend of mine whose dog just died?" I can't see spending $12 or $20 for licenses on each item I use on such a page just so I can hand the printed page to a person and MAYBE they'll give me $10 for doing it. If I charged that person just for the materials I used that page could easily cost them $30-$60 or more (whoever said digital scrapping was cheap was rather idealistic). If I add licenses for each of those items the total skyrockets far beyond reason.
I just can't see myself doing that.
10:05, blah-blah-blah-blah-blah.
Brevity: it's a good thing.
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Blah, blah, blah, don't read it.
Brief enough?
--Is there a concession made for S4H as a business vs. S4H....*snip*--
I don't care if my stuff, PU, CU or s4H, is shared with family or used for making friends and family layouts, free or for money. I'll never find out and would never put the time or headache into trying to find out. I've made albums for my mom and mom-in-law for gifts with kits I have purchased and gotten for free. Sue me. That's so trivial that it's silly to care about it.
I don't think it's okay to open up a shop on the corner/web to intentionally sell printed or digital pages for profit with my
*personal* use items. My CU and s4h items absolutely allow this, though and I truly hope people are succesfull with their business and using them. That's why I sell those items.
Thank you, 12:25. "Trivial" is good. If I knew who you were I'd buy from you. As it is, I'll just hope I *have* :)
seriously, can you guys talk about something other than S4H. Isn't there anymore good gossip out there?
Digital designers are the worst kind of prima donnas.. .
... because all it does in the end is make it so frustrating for people who are trying to play by the rules, that eventually they'll just throw their hands up in the air and S4H/S4O any damn way they want, and there really isn't much that the rabid, prom-queen types will be able to do about it without a whole hell of a lot of time and resources on their hands.
July 13, 2009 9:34 PM
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Well said!
Thank God I make my own S4H stuff and purchase a few CU items.
It was next to impossible to use anything purchased online. The TOUs used to be so poorly written and questions to the designer for clarification had gone ignored.
Shrug, less $$ going into a designer's pocket.
From the post topic:
Carry on with whatever is going on...CU sharing, DST banning, digital art vs. digital scrapbooking, Christina Renee's grand re-opening, GSO thread abuse....
CR was reopening? ROFLOL
So, all of this leaves me wondering. If you were voting on a site ct, what would you exclude someone for? Political posts? Religious (or anti) posts? Just too much personal stuff?
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Yes. Exactly. Both Politics and Religion is too polarizing. And there's no use discussing it because once someone's mind is made up they probably aren't going to change. The other topic that I would steer clear of is accusing anyone of 'copying' or 'stealing'. I think if a person (CT mbr or designer) wants to keep clean in this community they should avoid all those types of conversations. All such discussions should be handled privately. It's just not professional to discuss these things publicly.
I can not believe there are people out there who do not understand that when you are buying a kit you are not buying the actual kit. You are buying a "license" to use the kit under the terms.
This concept has been around for over 20 years.
If you don't like the designer's terms, then don't buy from her. But to buy something and intentionally go against the terms is just plain wrong. Sure a designer may never know, but what goes around comes around. I think it's important to treat people like you would like to be treated.
Boy there are some scrappers who sure have it in for digital designers these days. What would you do without them. Design your own stuff-now wouldn't that be a novel ideal
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Oh duh! I do design my own stuff, it's cheaper and I can guarantee quality.
What would make you all happy? A free-for-all store from every designer, giving all their products away for next to nothing with a big blanket "do what you want" license?
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Hate to break it to you bub, but there are some really, really good freebie designers out there that already do this. They only require credit, not your next born.
Not to mention, no one was talking about buying a kit and reselling it. We were discussing the S4O TOUs which can be ridiculous. I wish people would stop confusing the two issues.
What a joke those Kate Hadfield S40 prices are! What do so many designers have against s40 anyway??
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I agree. What are they afraid of? That a S4H is going to make $10 off a layout that takes 10 hours (by the time you meet to analyze the clients needs, get the photos, scrap it, QA it, upload to printer site, print it and deliver it). I've analyzed the S4H business and I can't see how anyone could ever make more than minimum wage.
I'm sorry I don't know Kate Hatfield but I think that $85.00 is rediculous for a yearly license for S4H.
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Not to mention that you still have to BUY the products!
If you don't like the designer's terms, then don't buy from her.
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I'm laughing so hard at this statement. You do realize don't you that MOST designers don't have their TOUs available until after you buy, which means, in law, they aren't binding. It's like the conditions of entry into a store or parking garage, if you are advised of those conditions AFTER entering, you can't be held to them as you weren't aware of them. You need to be advised BEFORE!
It's not up to me to email the designer and ask about her TOU, she should have that readily available if she's that concerned about the use of her product.
To designers, have your TOU available so the buyer can see it before they purchase. Also, have the courtesy to email your customer when you change your TOUs. You are quite willing to email them your promotions, so please email them with information that they need. If you want to be treated like a professional, behave like one. Yes, it is that simple.
OK. A message to all CT-ers. It's really annoying when you post your layouts to a store gallery, featuring only items of a designer that doesn't sell there. Jopke Designs, Holliewood Studios, Creashens, Fei Fei, and more.
I mean can't you at least put a staple or a freebie from the store in it?
I'm laughing so hard at this statement. You do realize don't you that MOST designers don't have their TOUs available until after you buy, which means, in law, they aren't binding. It's like the conditions of entry into a store or parking garage, if you are advised of those conditions AFTER entering, you can't be held to them as you weren't aware of them. You need to be advised BEFORE!
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Wrong answer sweetie. Are you really a lawyer?? It's like a million other digital products that are sold on the internet and in stores and their TOU/license is no where to be found except inside the product box. I have even called on some products after buying and before opening so that in case I can't use the software I can return it unopened because that is the only way a store will take it back. Now on the internet a good many companies do have their license to look at but people talk about designers having long and boring and hard to understand terms--try reading any internet company licenses and then realize that most designer's TOUs are pretty much on point.
Also many designers especially those who sell at the Commercial Use stores have their TOUs posted right on the site. Not knowing when you buy is not an excuse but if you buy you are legally bound by the TOU that comes with the product and you shouldn't be telling anyone differently.
In reality, how often do you use that item again, and again, and again. I can only think of a very few items... Unless you're using your own quick pages that you made (the freakin' CTs are whoring those out themselves! LOL)
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Oh but don't you know...some designer TOUs don't allow that either! The require that each S4H layout must be made INDIVIDUALLY for a specific client. This is another requirement that makes no sense to me. Here's an example by Diane Rigdon: http://diannerigdon.com/design/tou/
It's like the designers don't want any S4H people to be successful. Why in the world would they care if a S4H person created pages and reused the same designs for more than one client?
if you buy you are legally bound by the TOU that comes with the product and you shouldn't be telling anyone differently.
July 14, 2009 6:44 PM
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Nope, sorry, wrong answer sweetie.
I never said I was a lawyer and yes, where I live, you have to be advised prior to purchase or entry. Sorry to disappoint you, but not everywhere is as legally backward as where you live.
Keep on with all the drama llama mama BS, because all it does in the end is make it so frustrating for people who are trying to play by the rules, that eventually they'll just throw their hands up in the air and S4H/S4O any damn way they want, and there really isn't much that the rabid, prom-queen types will be able to do about it without a whole hell of a lot of time and resources on their hands.
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You're absolutely right. Truth is, it's so frustrating to try to understand and abide by the different TOUs that I don't even try so hard anymore. I don't share files, but if I make a layout and give a flattened image to a friend, I'm not going to lose any sleep if this violated someone's TOUs! Luckily, more and more designers are offering free S4H - I do try to buy from those designers just in case I want to do S4H in the future. Who in the world could keep track of all these separate lisences?
*Hate to break it to you bub, but there are some really, really good freebie designers out there that already do this. They only require credit, not your next born*
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Any chance of a link to these?? I've been looking at freebies for awhile and finding lots and lots of junk!
In reality, how often do you use that item again, and again, and again. I can only think of a very few items... Unless you're using your own quick pages that you made (the freakin' CTs are whoring those out themselves! LOL)
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Oh but don't you know...some designer TOUs don't allow that either! The require that each S4H layout must be made INDIVIDUALLY for a specific client. This is another requirement that makes no sense to me. Here's an example by Diane Rigdon: http://diannerigdon.com/design/tou/
It's like the designers don't want any S4H people to be successful. Why in the world would they care if a S4H person created pages and reused the same designs for more than one client?
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That infuriates me even more- especially when they sell their CTs' quickpages. Give the CT member the profit! They did the work!
I'm laughing so hard at this statement. You do realize don't you that MOST designers don't have their TOUs available until after you buy, which means, in law, they aren't binding. It's like the conditions of entry into a store or parking garage, if you are advised of those conditions AFTER entering, you can't be held to them as you weren't aware of them. You need to be advised BEFORE!
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Good to know!
It's not up to me to email the designer and ask about her TOU, she should have that readily available if she's that concerned about the use of her product.
To designers, have your TOU available so the buyer can see it before they purchase. Also, have the courtesy to email your customer when you change your TOUs. You are quite willing to email them your promotions, so please email them with information that they need. If you want to be treated like a professional, behave like one. Yes, it is that simple.
July 14, 2009 6:33 PM
Totally spot on!
In reality, how often do you use that item again, and again, and again. I can only think of a very few items... Unless you're using your own quick pages that you made (the freakin' CTs are whoring those out themselves! LOL)
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Oh but don't you know...some designer TOUs don't allow that either! The require that each S4H layout must be made INDIVIDUALLY for a specific client. This is another requirement that makes no sense to me. Here's an example by Diane Rigdon: http://diannerigdon.com/design/tou/
It's like the designers don't want any S4H people to be successful. Why in the world would they care if a S4H person created pages and reused the same designs for more than one client?
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Yep. I'm still wondering what so many designers seem to have against S4O/S4H. And why am I not a bit surprised that Dianne Rigdon has some of the craziest restrictions out there? meh. I stopped buying her stuff a long time ago-doesn't look like I've been missing much.
Question for CTers--it seems like a lot of designers are requiring their CTs to make QPs these days. Do you get any of the $ when your designer sells them? It seems like it wouldn't be fair at all if they weren't sharing the take with you....Or, are they just using them as freebies?
Here's another thread about S4H TOU and the limitations and restrictions:
http://tinyurl.com/l56cp4
Question for CTers--it seems like a lot of designers are requiring their CTs to make QPs these days. Do you get any of the $ when your designer sells them? It seems like it wouldn't be fair at all if they weren't sharing the take with you....Or, are they just using them as freebies?
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I have one designer that gave you half of every purchase and I have had another pay like 6 bucks for each one that you make (One time payment of 6 dollars).
That infuriates me even more- especially when they sell their CTs' quickpages. Give the CT member the profit! They did the work!
July 14, 2009 7:37 PM
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They do. Check your facts before getting all worked up.
[b]That infuriates me even more- especially when they sell their CTs' quickpages. Give the CT member the profit! They did the work!
They do. Check your facts before getting all worked up.[/b]
not all. did some. didn't get anything. learned lesson.
All designers give their CTs profits for Quick Pages?
I'm laughing so hard at this statement. You do realize don't you that MOST designers don't have their TOUs available until after you buy...
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Where do you shop? Because MOST stores I shop at have the designer's TOU posted right on the website.
I had a designer recently just assume she could start using all my pages as quick pages. I wasn't too thrilled with that idea!
WV: wacks - LMAO
I never said I was a lawyer and yes, where I live, you have to be advised prior to purchase or entry. Sorry to disappoint you, but not everywhere is as legally backward as where you live.
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does that mean you live outside of the continental United States.
Then International copyright law would apply.
Finally. A breath of fresh air. Thank you.
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I don't care if my stuff, PU, CU or s4H, is shared with family or used for making friends and family layouts, free or for money. I'll never find out and would never put the time or headache into trying to find out. I've made albums for my mom and mom-in-law for gifts with kits I have purchased and gotten for free. Sue me. That's so trivial that it's silly to care about it.
I don't think it's okay to open up a shop on the corner/web to intentionally sell printed or digital pages for profit with my
*personal* use items. My CU and s4h items absolutely allow this, though and I truly hope people are succesfull with their business and using them. That's why I sell those items.
The armchair lawyers are out in full force.
Where do you shop? Because MOST stores I shop at have the designer's TOU posted right on the website.
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That's what I was thinking!
Then International copyright law would apply.
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Just jumping in here While copy write law may apply. The TOU thing won't, two separate things.
And YES some states require that the TOU are stated before purchase or they do not apply.
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For those who do S4O, what would you like to see in designer's TOU's??
What kind of TOU would you consider reasonable to do S4O??
What kind of fee for S4O from designers would you consider reasonable??
[b]That infuriates me even more- especially when they sell their CTs' quickpages. Give the CT member the profit! They did the work!
They do. Check your facts before getting all worked up.[/b]
not all. did some. didn't get anything. learned lesson.
July 14, 2009 9:31 PM
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Oh, sorry. That sucks.
Just jumping in here While copy write law may apply. The TOU thing won't, two separate things.
And YES some states require that the TOU are stated before purchase or they do not apply.
Can you tell me what States this is applicable to? I really would like to know and where did you find this information. Thanks so much!
Question for CTers--it seems like a lot of designers are requiring their CTs to make QPs these days. Do you get any of the $ when your designer sells them? It seems like it wouldn't be fair at all if they weren't sharing the take with you....Or, are they just using them as freebies?
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Yes, I got half the profit. Often they were freebies for short time, and then sold. I didn't really care about the credit, but I did like the money. The store wasn't involved at all so everything there was in her name. It was an agreement between me and the designer, so she paid me privately.
Here's the thing. IF you were doing S4H for people in your community for example, how many of them do you honestly think would be hanging around the digi community checking out TOU's??
0-1?
LOL!! Hey might be wrong but in this economy I'd go with the plain personal use price, take my chances and call it a day!! Least the designers are making a sale!
I think the reality of the TOU situation is that the designers need one in place.
And the one that they have in place probably started out real simple and then people started abusing it, starting asking questions and they grew into these overcomplicated things that are trying to cover all eventualities.
However, I would hazard a guess that most designers really don't care if you make an album for your mom to give to her neighbor and she gives you some money for your trouble or you scrap for a friend's anniversary and everyone chips in to pay for it etc. I would still consider that personal use anyway. EVEN if a TOU states you cannot do it.
BUT, if the designers make such concessions publicly known, you can bet that someone or several will instantly find ways to abuse it. And usually in bigger ways than making a bit of money with S4H.
So, the TOUs exist and they are to be followed but I doubt any/many of the more professional designers are going to hunt you down and claim your first born if you scrap for others on a "do me a favor" type of basis.
I know there is a lot of designer hate or shall we say dislike/disgruntlement going on, but for the most part designers are really not the beasts you make them out to be. Most of them are quite reasonable people trying to make a living with something they love to do.
Of course there are always the primadonnas and the drama queens too, but they are only a small percentage of the digiscrap designer pool. And let's face it, the more extreme personalities are in every camp anyway, be it designers, "regular" scrappers, CT members, customers, smack blog posters (wink) etc
Heaven forbid that one can buy photoshop and make things with it and sell them at a profit. Does Adobe tell you what you can and can not do with their software?
Maybe they should allow us to make a kit but only sell 200 kits. After that it has to be pulled from the market. Because you could end up making more money on a kit than you paid for your program! I think Adobe better put a stop to that right away!
Do you guys realize how ridiculous this all is???
Hmmm Can someone tell me why it is okay for the so called big name designers to take something off the net change it up a bit and call it their own, then if a no name comes in and does the same thing they get the wrath of the all mighty smack blogs and these high and mighty designers? Just for instance let's look at this shall we?
a designer has this for sale at SG.http://shop.scrapbookgraphics.com/thumbs_cache/d8d586fe83ecffa83e4d8a44d8195045.jpg Oh but wait did she create it herself? well it sure does look to me like the actual image she possibly took it from is here http://filevn.com/photoshop/great-psdlayer-collection-1/#more-23027 So not only did she more then likely not create this herself but only erased a couple buildings and black it out. she got it free turned around and sold it for a profit. My point is this, just because you think you are a big shit in the Digi world does not give you the right to go criticizing the less known designers for doing the same shit you all do! Which you know all those 3-d words and crap that they use in the fantasy kits well those are on these types of sites too. Just look around before you buy because you can get it free to sell to someone else just like the so called big shits in the digi world do. What are you scared that the no names might be kicking your asses in sales? So you do not want them knowing your secrets?
I'm not seeing it. Similar houses, yes. But they don't look identical to me at all.
I can't view the products you're refering to at the sbg store.
Even if she did use them, how do you know what the terms are for them and how can you prove she didn't buy them legitimately? You can get music free but I buy mine. You can get almost any software you want illegally (and very easily) for free but I choose to buy mine. I keep all my transaction emails and physical receipts, just in case someone like you wants to come along and throw me in with the sharks.
It's nice to go and spout off like that but without proof of anything whatsoever, all it does is make you sound like an ass.
No not once did I accuse, I said it looks a awful lot like the same thing. I never once said she stole anything. These items are all over the net to download for free if you look and have never seen anywhere to purchase them. My point was not to throw anyone into the sharks as you stated. My point is that these well known Designers can get away with anything and everyone looks the other way. While a new Designer comes in and does the same exact thing and gets torn to shreds. Not quite fair.So you are the one that is the ass for saying that I accused her which read again, I did not accuse her of anything I was asking a simple question and showing a example image.
Sure you did- and I quote:
"My point is this, just because you think you are a big shit in the Digi world does not give you the right to go criticizing the less known designers for doing the same shit you all do!"
Do designers think that S4Hire scrappers are actually making any money? I skim over that forum from time to time & it doesn't appear to me that there's a goldmine in scrapping for others.
To be fair I don't think designers are making any $$ either. Lorie Davison is one of my favorite designers and I read somewhere that she has a day job too. According to this blog there's a designer out there living in a car.
I think you'd be hard pressed to find but a handful of people making decent money in this business anyway.
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Just look around before you buy because you can get it free to sell to someone else just like the so called big shits in the digi world do.
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Sounds like an accusation to me.
I'm not the above poster, but I thought the nature of your post was accusatory. You implied that this designer took someone's graphic and used it. Those two images are not close to being the same.
So your whole argument about well known designers versus new designers is lost on me.
Okay you are all right I apologize for stating a opinion. I withdrawl my last post. Move on now and sorry for wording my statement wrong. Throw me into the fire now.
Heaven forbid that one can buy photoshop and make things with it and sell them at a profit. Does Adobe tell you what you can and can not do with their software?
Uhhhh have your read Adobe's TOU. It's right smack dab at the bottom of their web site.
Uhhhh have your read Adobe's TOU. It's right smack dab at the bottom of their web site
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Your point??
Okay you are all right I apologize for stating a opinion. I withdrawl my last post. Move on now and sorry for wording my statement wrong. Throw me into the fire now.
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No fire throwing today. I think sometimes we don't realize how our typed words come across to other people.
I have to agree ... those houses are definitely not the same. I see what you're saying though, there are alot of designers out there using things they shouldn't. Even came across a kit that had a scan of a paper scrapping item from Jolee's Boutique. I do both digi & paper, so I have a ton of Jolee's embellishments and recognized it right away. I think that's pushing it a little.
I do think there are times when some designers are hypocrites and it is the pot calling the kettle black. But I think that is the minority not the majority. The more we can call them out and make it known the more we will get rid of the bad seed and let the worthwhile designers get our business.
But we really have to be careful and know the facts so we don't inadvertently tarnish a good designers name.
What bothers me more about those houses, above is that the person accusing used a link to a pirate website for comparing, What does this say about you? Usually people post a link to a stock site or somewhere where u actually can buy that design. So my question is I guess Do you pirate much? You must have to know where that graphic was, makes you think ....
I saw a post today that mentioned Amanda Rockwell's tutorial program. Has anyone participated in that? After getting screwed at DigiScrapDesigner I am leery of paying for tutorial programs.
I'm in AR's program. I think it is worth the money. However, she is never regular with posting things which kind of sucks. Other than that, if you're looking for CU stuff, you'll get your money's worth.
What bothers me more about those houses, above is that the person accusing used a link to a pirate website for comparing, What does this say about you?
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I think that was the point, duh! The OP was saying that quite a few designers pirate but then turn around and scream when it happens to them.
I just laugh when a "pirate" complains about someone pirating them.
sometimes I think I am the only normal person in the world
Uhhhh have your read Adobe's TOU. It's right smack dab at the bottom of their web site
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Your point??
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Well from the comment that " Heaven forbid that one can buy photoshop and make things with it and sell them at a profit. Does Adobe tell you what you can and can not do with their software? "
Just pointing out that they in fact have a TOU and you can't just do anything with their products as this statement seems to indicate. That's the point!
If you've got a legal copy of the regular (not educatiional) version of it, I'm pretty damn sure you can use Photoshop to create stuff and make a profit with what you create.
If not, there's a whole lot of designers in trouble. lol I didn't see anything anywhere in their TOU both from the link on the site and from the downloadable PDF for Photoshop that said you could not.
I know that's probably not what you were intending to say but it's kinda how it read to me.
Do designers think that S4Hire scrappers are actually making any money? I skim over that forum from time to time & it doesn't appear to me that there's a goldmine in scrapping for others.
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Just an FYI. I have been creating S4H albums for clients at my local scrapbook store for the past few years and actually do make quite a bit of money. Anywhere from $300-$600 dollars an album. I would estimate I create about 3-5 albums a month..depending on the time of year.
I am a designer now and #1, I don't care what people do with my designs once they purchase them...they aren't taking from me and my design business with their S4H/S4O business. #2, I can't help but wonder why it is ok to use physical scrapbook product in S4H projects without any extra fees but is an issue in digital scrapbooking??? Can someone please explain that to me?
If you've got a legal copy of the regular (not educatiional) version of it, I'm pretty damn sure you can use Photoshop to create stuff and make a profit with what you create.
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As far as I know, you can do that with the educational version as well. This whole topic came up on one of the smack blogs about a year ago, and it was proven that the whole you can't do that with the educational version argument was BS.
I can't help but wonder why it is ok to use physical scrapbook product in S4H projects without any extra fees but is an issue in digital scrapbooking??? Can someone please explain that to me?
Because the paper/physical scrapbooking industry makes their money by S4H artists having to buy their product again and again, once you used it all up. In digital scrapbooking there is no "using it up", so the S4H person keeps on making money on something they only bought once. At least that's the theory.
#2, I can't help but wonder why it is ok to use physical scrapbook product in S4H projects without any extra fees but is an issue in digital scrapbooking??? Can someone please explain that to me?
July 15, 2009 9:33 PM
Wow, that's great to be making the money for s4h!
I was a paper scrapper before digiscrapping & did look into scrapping 4 others. I never did it but IIRC, there were some paper companies that did not allow their papers to be used in S4Hire. (I think that would be totally unenforceable anyways.) I do remember seeing a list of companies that did not want their products being used. I'm pretty sure Creative Memories was at the top of the list though,lol!
As far as I know, you can do that with the educational version as well.
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I stuck that reference in my comment only because I didn't know one way or the other. I've never had a ed. version so I've never needed to care.
If you've got a legal copy of the regular (not educatiional) version of it, I'm pretty damn sure you can use Photoshop to create stuff and make a profit with what you create.
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Yes you can create stuff and sell your stuff. The comment was made " Heaven forbid that one can buy photoshop and make things with it and sell them at a profit. Does Adobe tell you what you can and can not do with their software? "
and the point I made was was that yes Adobe has a TOU and no you can't just do anything with their software like copy it and give it to someone else. They have terms for their software and that is the only point I was making. I never said anything about making anything with the software and not being able to sell what you make. Sheesh it would be nice if people would read what others write!! There'd be a whole world of graphic design in trouble if one couldn't sell their work!!
Can we just get one thing straight. Somehow, somewhere s4o and s4h got confused! S4O is what we do for friends or anyone at no charge. Perfectly fine for anyone to do with their personal use kits as long as there is no money being exchanged. S4H is when you are actually making money off your page.
The other thing, most designers do have someone who create their quickpages and split the profit when any sell.
The reason they want S4H users to create pages from scratch is because it is conflict of interest.
S4O doesn't actually mean scrapping for friend/family. Somewhere along the line people started using S4O instead of S4H. Technically they are the same thing - scrapping for others for payment. Scrapping gifts for your friends/family has never been an issue or something designers have ever tried to stop.
Sheesh it would be nice if people would read what others write!!
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If you had read all of what I wrote, you would have seen my little comment that I didn't think that's what you meant, it's just how it came across to me. Calm your jets, woman.
Thoughts on the Battle of the Creative Teams contest at DSA? It seems a bit of a conflict that SO has a store team participating. I call big foul if they go on to win.
Just another variety of a popularity contest.......
Just for a moment I would like to leave commercialism talk.
Other than DST, is there a digi site that you love to hang out, read the forums and participate in challenges? I'm not talking about where you shop, but where you like to hang and interact with other scrappers.
July 16, 2009 1:18 PM another digi site question:
I was wondering about that too. I've been at DST since the beginning & that place seems to be dying a slow death this summer. I think there were only 9 NSBR topics for the past day.
Just wondering where everyone is or if summer is keeping everyone busy.
Summers are always very slow. Family vacations, kids out of school with all sorts of activities, people just wanting to be outside doing outside things and you will see what you are seeing. Come mid-August as the kids go back to school and everyone gets back into a routine things pick up. Designers gearing up for Back to School kits and even holiday stuff coming out early.
I'm also looking for a new place (was with DST since beginning too.) Haven't really found one yet and DSA just rubs me the wrong way.
Hate to break it to you bub, but there are some really, really good freebie designers out there that already do this. They only require credit, not your next born.
Not to mention, no one was talking about buying a kit and reselling it. We were discussing the S4O TOUs which can be ridiculous. I wish people would stop confusing the two issues.
July 14, 2009 6:26 PM
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Freebie designers are a pain in the ass. Seriously, what do they get from doing that? They probably use other people's CU anyway. There is no way that someone would designs everything from scratch and give it away all the time just for fun. Sure if they make crap and spend 5 minutes creating a kit, it doesn't really matter to them, but creating a good kit with good quality products takes time. Time is money, baby!
Freebie designers are a pain in the ass. Seriously, what do they get from doing that? They probably use other people's CU anyway. There is no way that someone would designs everything from scratch and give it away all the time just for fun. Sure if they make crap and spend 5 minutes creating a kit, it doesn't really matter to them, but creating a good kit with good quality products takes time. Time is money, baby!
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I totally disagree. I don't want to be a designer. I have a great day job that pays well. I love playing in Photoshop and creating things. I love doing tutorials and making things myself. Why shouldn't I share what I want and give away freebies on my blog if I want. To me it is a way to share back to the scrapbooking community that was so helpful when I first got involved.
Freebie designers are a pain in the ass. Seriously, what do they get from doing that? They probably use other people's CU anyway. There is no way that someone would designs everything from scratch and give it away all the time just for fun. Sure if they make crap and spend 5 minutes creating a kit, it doesn't really matter to them, but creating a good kit with good quality products takes time. Time is money, baby!
July 16, 2009 4:07 PM
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Some of us just like to create and we create so much, we give it away. Besides, I like giving things away. Yes, time is money but when I use my money time, I make things that actually make money. Digi kits just don't cut it unless you get into a good store, which is hard to do and I've found that I like working on my own.
Do you guys realize how ridiculous this all is???
July 15, 2009 12:33 PM
I think the only ones who don't realize how ridiculous it is are the prima donna designers who have some serious control issues. And to all of them, I say that if I ever feel like doing an album or a page or any.damn.thing for someone for a fee, I'm going to do it and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
Freebie designers are a pain in the ass blah, blah, blah, blah, blah . . . .
July 16, 2009 4:07 PM
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Only to inferior, insecure designers.
And to all of them, I say that if I ever feel like doing an album or a page or any.damn.thing for someone for a fee, I'm going to do it and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
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You are an idiot. This is a gross, gluttonous attitude. I really hope this isn't my typical client base. (sigh before vomiting into my laptop)
You are an idiot. This is a gross, gluttonous attitude. I really hope this isn't my typical client base. (sigh before vomiting into my laptop)
July 16, 2009 6:51 PM
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I only hope I don't buy from you but I can be pretty much guaranteed that I don't. What kind of response is this? Talk about an overreaction and alienating people.
As far as I know, you can do that with the educational version as well. This whole topic came up on one of the smack blogs about a year ago, and it was proven that the whole you can't do that with the educational version argument was BS.
July 15, 2009 9:44 PM
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That's correct, you can do what you like with the Educational version, but the STUDENT version is for personal use only. You can't do commercial work with it.
Seriously though, how can Adobe even know? There's no way they could police that anyway.
Seriously though, how can Adobe even know? There's no way they could police that anyway.
July 16, 2009 7:49 PM
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Let alone all designers who downloaded Photoshop for free on torrents sites ;)
big brother is watching
You are an idiot. This is a gross, gluttonous attitude. I really hope this isn't my typical client base. (sigh before vomiting into my laptop)
July 16, 2009 6:51 PM
lol! Big *smooches* to the prima donna designer with control issues.
I totally disagree. I don't want to be a designer. I have a great day job that pays well. I love playing in Photoshop and creating things. I love doing tutorials and making things myself. Why shouldn't I share what I want and give away freebies on my blog if I want. To me it is a way to share back to the scrapbooking community that was so helpful when I first got involved.
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Good for you. Some people just don't know what it is to just want to create and give to others, so they make stupid comments like freebies are just crap and other nonsense. I think you are very secure in who you are-too bad many of the others who complain are not.
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Amen sista!!! I for one appreciate designers like you who give of your time and talent.
You know when you view the GSO thread at DST, and there are a few people there that bother you with their effusive brown nosing and multiple posts over and over again. I have solved my problem by putting them on my ignore list, now I can breeze through the GSO much faster.
Freebie designers are a pain in the ass. Seriously, what do they get from doing that? They probably use other people's CU anyway. There is no way that someone would designs everything from scratch and give it away all the time just for fun. Sure if they make crap and spend 5 minutes creating a kit, it doesn't really matter to them, but creating a good kit with good quality products takes time. Time is money, baby!
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I have a well paying day job that I worked my ass off to get the degree required so I could have it. My creating is my outlet and some times my therapy. I love to play and learn in PS and sometimes it gets my mojo going for scrapping. If I happen to make something that I think is good quality and pretty then I will give it away. That's how I started in this community was collecting freebies and I am now on a couple of CT's and can also purchase items that I want.
If you think my freebies are crap that's fine, I may find your designs crap also. Each to his own. Let the people decide.
Seriously, you guys can beat a dead horse!
Are there any other Smack blogs out there that don't talk about S4H BS all day long.
Seriously, you guys can beat a dead horse!
Are there any other Smack blogs out there that don't talk about S4H BS all day long.
July 16, 2009 10:01 PM
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That is so old. Come up with something yourself, or do you expect every one to wipe your ass too? Sheesh.
I tried to change the subject by asking where people hang out, but no one is responding.
I tried to change the subject by asking where people hang out, but no one is responding.
July 16, 2009 10:40 PM
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This keeps getting asked and it keeps not getting any answers. I guess there is nowhere to hang out. I haven't found anywhere. I used to love DST when it started, now it bores me to tears.
I bought something from the Shabby Pickle for the first time ever. Why? The kit was cute (Mira Designs), it's S4H friendly, and the fantasy scrappers didn't make their kids into mermaids in the previews.
Larry Zoolander: I just thank the Lord she didn't live to see her son as a mermaid.
Derek Zoolander: Mer-man!
[high-pitched cough] Mer-man!
Moisture is the essence of wetness, and wetness is the essence of beauty.
I like Mira's designs, i bought a couple of things from her at the Digichick. I just hope she keeps her own style and doesn't turn into a clone of the rest of the deisgners there. Its getting harder and harder to find something I like there. I used to buy from there regularly but not so much any more.
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Ditto
I don't see Mira Designs listed in the manufacturers at Shabby Pickle, was this a recent purchase?
Yes... Like usual, they haven't changed the manufacturer list. She's on the second page of new products.
Oh, her stuff is very cute! (mira designs)
I love the zoo themed kit!!! :)
Time is money baby?
no, my time is more precious than money babe!
I love making stuff here and there, and have NO DESIRE to get involved in the drama of the stores and the politics that go on.
but I love the folks I have met thru giving our freebies. There are really some precious people out there, that LOVE to scrap, and a freebie is a nice way to encourage that!
Thru the comments on my blog, I respond to them all, I have met and kept some really great people.
Try it, you be nice just because and people respond kindly.
Really it isn't that hard.
Any comment about this: Edeline Marta moved (again) to Scrapartist and FrootLoopSally is now at Catscrap.
There was an additional coupon for Mira in the SP newsletter. miraSPD for 30% off
What is really funny is Edeline is one of the most clueless designers out there. It's ironic that she is in Amanda's designer class at SA - her questions on that forum show she is truly clueless and doesn't know how to use her program. She asks how to do the simplest of things. And yet, she turns up some nice stuff sometimes. Interesting... or all CU.
re: designers using pirated Photoshop... is actually pretty funny.
I know several that do use pirated versions because I know how poor they are IRL...
I'd suggest designers study their software a little better before using bootleg to make items for sale especially Adobe since both photoshop and lightroom embed the product serial id into their files. LOL...
before you call bullshit download a free lightroom preset somewhere and open that puppy in notepad and take a gander at the very last line of code.
For those who do S4O, what would you like to see in designer's TOU's??
What kind of TOU would you consider reasonable to do S4O??
What kind of fee for S4O from designers would you consider reasonable??
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I'll take a stab. Here's the issue, the S4O market is a TOTALLY different market than the Digiscrapper market. There are millions of people out there who don't have the time or confidence to learn how to digiscrap...now or in the future.
So the idea that S4H professionals are in direct competition with the digital designers is not valid. So stores such as SSD and Designers such as Dianne Rigdon seem to be afraid of this competition and therefore they have these rules about not selling online, and only creating one page for a specific customer.
What I would like is to be able to purchase S4H kits, and use them to create entire theme albums for occasions such as weddings, birthdays, pets etc. I'd like to be able to put 'sample' books together and display them online. Allow customers to pick a certain type of album and then customize it with their specific photos, titles, and journaling. Finally, format the book for a printer, upload it, and print it into a photobook which is delivered to the end client. Some designers say this is equivalent to creating quick pages, but I don't agree. You are giving the client a flattened file already filled with photos and journaling. You are NOT giving the client a png file that they can use over and over.
I don't want to have to deal with licenses that have to be renewed. I would rather the price just be built-in to the regular kit price. More and more designers are allowing all their kits to be used for S4h.
My point is this, just because you think you are a big shit in the Digi world does not give you the right to go criticizing the less known designers for doing the same shit you all do! Which you know all those 3-d words and crap that they use in the fantasy kits well those are on these types of sites too. Just look around before you buy because you can get it free to sell to someone else just like the so called big shits in the digi world do. What are you scared that the no names might be kicking your asses in sales? So you do not want them knowing your secrets?
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My...someone's got a big chip on her shoulder! Who are you talking to when you say 'you'? Why would you assume that it's the 'big shit' designers (I'm using your words here)that are on the smack blog making accusations? You are making a LOT of assumptions here my dear! And BTW, I see a similar concept between your two links, but they don't look like the same images to me.
You know when you view the GSO thread at DST, and there are a few people there that bother you with their effusive brown nosing and multiple posts over and over again. I have solved my problem by putting them on my ignore list, now I can breeze through the GSO much faster.
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Please save me some time and tell me who you put on 'ignore'. I'm curious to know who you think the brown-nosers are.
I tried to change the subject by asking where people hang out, but no one is responding.
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Topics will change when it's time they change. Right now people want to talk about S4H & TOU so let them. As soon as something juicy happens the topic will change.
The most useless comments of all are those who complain about what people are talking about. If it's boring, come back another day!
As soon as the voting starts for the CT battle, I'm sure the conversation will shift.
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Anonymous said...
Please save me some time and tell me who you put on 'ignore'. I'm curious to know who you think the brown-nosers are.
July 17, 2009 6:52 PM
Kathitownz
Billa
Jimena
Does anyone know what's up with Misty Cato?
Does anyone know what's up with Misty Cato?
July 17, 2009 10:33 PM
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Why do you ask? I don't hang anywhere except here, so have no clue.
Any comment about this: Edeline Marta moved (again) to Scrapartist and FrootLoopSally is now at Catscrap.
July 17, 2009 12:09 PM
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Well, isn't FrootLoopSally still at PBP? She was only guesting at SA. I'm not surprised that Edeline is now at SA, they have put on some pretty crap designers over the last few years. It's nowhere near the store it used to be.
is it just me or does it seem as though the designers all get together and put out kits in the same colors within a week of each other? I feel like it's the same stuff different designers *sigh*
That is so old. Come up with something yourself, or do you expect every one to wipe your ass too? Sheesh.
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WHat a bitch!!
I wasn't mean, did you have to be. Fuck off.
Misty Cato?
I didn't know there was anything up with her, please explain.
let's see some of the comments out there. i'm tired of following designers to their sixth store. how many stores has Lauren Reid been to? Christina renee, don't care anymore. Lilypad getting new designers doesn't bother me. DSP not as good a store as other stores.
does anyone get fed up when a designer changes their style completely? i'm thinking of Kasia. did she just jump on the stupid fantasy bandwagon for money? speaking of fantasy. that is one theme that can go away and quickly. i don't need to see another baby with wings.
do designers get that you can't just take a Prima flower, scan it, extract it and call it your own? as a former paper scrapper i can tell a Prima flower easily. hate to tell the digital designers that it's not ok.
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WHat a bitch!!
I wasn't mean, did you have to be. Fuck off.
July 17, 2009 11:37 PM
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Ooh, I'm so sowwy. I'm going to tell my mommy you said a naughty word.
do designers get that you can't just take a Prima flower, scan it, extract it and call it your own? as a former paper scrapper i can tell a Prima flower easily. hate to tell the digital designers that it's not ok.
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Most designers ( or the ones that ar any good ) know that using Prima or any big name product for that matter is a big no no - where have you seen Prima at ?
I have noticed (this is my first summer active with the digiworld of scrapping) but a whole lot of designers just disappear for the summer months? kids out of school perhaps, vacations..but that is where my money is at with Misty Cato. I so hope all is well with her, her site really taught me alot, I loved her tutorials. I'm not on her CT and she doesn't know me from adam, but I enjoy her stuff.
does anyone get fed up when a designer changes their style completely? i'm thinking of Kasia. did she just jump on the stupid fantasy bandwagon for money? speaking of fantasy. that is one theme that can go away and quickly. i don't need to see another baby with wings.
Why do you care? Just don't buy it. Simple enough!
does anyone get fed up when a designer changes their style completely? i'm thinking of Kasia. did she just jump on the stupid fantasy bandwagon for money? speaking of fantasy. that is one theme that can go away and quickly. i don't need to see another baby with wings.
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Why do you care? Just don't buy it. Simple enough!
Because it was a designer she purchased from regularly. Wouldn't that piss you off or make you wonder too? Sheesh.
Does anyone know what's up with Misty Cato?
July 17, 2009 10:33 PM
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Why do you ask? I don't hang anywhere except here, so have no clue.
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Idk, she has posted in like 6 weeks, just a little weird. It's not like her kids are school age...
So, because she's having a life and not forcing herself down your throat something's up? Those designers just can't seem to win, can they?
Misty's been putting out new product @ SSD according to their newsletters, check her store.
I was just looking at the entries for the DSA Battle of the CTs and I noticed that the SugarBabes have posted 'place-holders' in their threads but no layouts. This just annoys me...it's like they think they are so good that they don't want anyone to see their work until the last minute. I don't see any other teams acting that elitist. Jeeze!
I was just looking at the entries for the DSA Battle of the CTs and I noticed that the SugarBabes have posted 'place-holders' in their threads but no layouts. This just annoys me...it's like they think they are so good that they don't want anyone to see their work until the last minute. I don't see any other teams acting that elitist. Jeeze!
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It's annoying as hell. I'm opening threads with replies because I like looking at the layouts all together (as opposed to the gallery). So, I don't like opening a thread and not seeing anything - then it becomes obsessive because I keep checking back to see the layouts. Imagine how annoying it would be if ALL the teams did this!
NOTE TO THE SUGARBABES: Please don't post in the thread until your layouts are ready - or is this just a publicity stunt? There's a thread 'joking' about it but read between the lines and realize you are annoying everyone else.
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Does anyone know what's up with Misty Cato?
July 17, 2009 10:33 PM
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Idk, she has posted in like 6 weeks, just a little weird. It's not like her kids are school age...
July 18, 2009 8:00 AM
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Exactly!! her kids are NOT school age yet, that's why she's enjoying spending time with them while they are young. What's wrong with putting your priorities in order?
If you visit her design blog you won't notice much activity, but if you visit the blog she set up for her kids you'll see just how much time she spends with them. I think she's a great mom and commend her for putting her kids first.
The Sugar Babes are doing something "annoying"??? I think someone's just jealous because they're NOT GOOD ENOUGH to be a Sugar Babe. SSD rocks and everyone who's anyone knows that! Anyone who disagrees is just a jealous LOSER.
Hooray for trolls!
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LOL! I don't have anything against SSD although I don't shop there much anymore but you are lame.....
There is "digi life" outside of SSD and the sugarbabes are not royalty or anything...get a grip!
SSD rocks and everyone who's anyone knows that! Anyone who disagrees is just a jealous LOSER.
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LOL riiiiight.
does anyone get fed up when a designer changes their style completely? i'm thinking of Kasia. did she just jump on the stupid fantasy bandwagon for money? speaking of fantasy. that is one theme that can go away and quickly. i don't need to see another baby with wings.
Why do you care? Just don't buy it. Simple enough!
July 18, 2009 7:48 AM
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We care because we used to buy it and now we don't and we are pissed. Is that simple enough for you?
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Does anyone know what's up with Misty Cato?
July 17, 2009 10:33 PM
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Idk, she has posted in like 6 weeks, just a little weird. It's not like her kids are school age...
July 18, 2009 8:00 AM
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Exactly!! her kids are NOT school age yet, that's why she's enjoying spending time with them while they are young. What's wrong with putting your priorities in order?
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No one was questioning her priorities. I think the OP was expressing concern about a designer she likes. What's wrong with that?
The changing store thing I hate.
I actually refuse to buy anything from Lauren Reid again because she changes stores so often.
WTF?
spammer.
Let them...it is a complete waste of their time as they have to manually post and put in the WV for nothing. Unless there are people here as stupid as the spammer who actually clicks the links.
What does everyone have against the Sweet Shoppe & the Sugar Babes?
I really like there store, is there something I should know?
I'm pretty new and only have a couple stores I like.
No one was questioning her priorities. I think the OP was expressing concern about a designer she likes. What's wrong with that?
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That was my exact intent. I wasn't questioning her priorities so much as concern.
What does everyone have against the Sweet Shoppe & the Sugar Babes?
I really like there store, is there something I should know?
I'm pretty new and only have a couple stores I like.
July 19, 2009 6:52 PM
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If you like the store, shop there. Don't let what others have to say spoil your enjoyment.
now that SSD has posted their layouts, I see why they held their places. and their layouts are cute!
but yeah, that was all about the attention whoring.
The reason the Sugarbabes did that should be obvious now-they wanted their LO's to go in a specific order.
GOD-Cut the girls a break.
I had seen a few posts back about Royanna and her once again pitty party! Look this woman has something going on with her all the time. Yet just not even 2 months ago she had enough money to treat her kids to a trip to Disney world! Well if you live in the US DW is far from a cheap place you go when you are poor. She also is living in her car yet she is posting all over FB! From her Blackberry phone. Well that would be the first thing I would sell. You do have to pay a monthly bill for that phone do you not? Internet access does not come free with it either. Hello people try to put two and two together. It is always something going on. This is not the first time with her. Last year it was a please give my kids a christmas! Ever heard of a real job? If you are not cutting it with your designs in order to support your children then get off the computer and get a job! Being a former Designer at DD. You see her pity party story's in the forum. Former because I left not because I was booted. So before you Royanna Supporters come in and say that I am a bitter Designer, It was the best thing I did was leave that store. She never pays when she is supposed to. You have to e-mail them over and over to get your pay. It is a crap store and she needs to close up if she cannot afford to feed her kids and have shelter for them and get up and get a job.Times are hard for everyone but you do not see everyone airing their dirty laundry begging for a handout by people that do not even know her.
Who the hell is Royanna?
owner of Divine Digital and designer
I saw that post and I really don't know who she is but all I could do was shake my head in disgust. You're exactly right. If I was in her position, I'd be filling out apps at wal-mart. Heck, I'd be a McDonald's janitor if it put food in my kids' mouths.
But why do that when she can just beg? I guess she does it because people fall for it and it works for her.
As a designer who also works full time I have no sympathy for her. She doesn't even need to close up shop to get a regular job. Barter for advertising and customer service duties and check the inbox before and after work. It's not rocket science. I haven't bought from her in at least year because of poor quality but even if she was the best I wouldn't buy from her in the future. Step up or shut up!
wv:carapil hehehe...car pillow, that's evil I know...I'll pray for forgiveness later
newest rumor?
Amanda Dykan is back as Mulberry Lane Studios ....
http://mulberrylanestudio.blogspot.com
AD is a crummy photog? Geez Lilly ever heard of bokeh?
Well I'd say don't give up the day job Amanda, but I guess you were already fired from that. No better a photographer than she was a designer, poor cow.
Who the hell is Royanna?
July 19, 2009 9:19 PM
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She said she was going thru cancer 2-3 years ago, now I'm wondering if that was true or not. I know some pple made donations to her site because of her illness then.
Oh my gosh. I just use a P&S and my photos are better than those... the vignettes are particularly horrific.
She needs to join Clickin' Moms and learn some skills!
but wait - there's more! I did a little detective work.
http://www.serif.com/company/media/corporate/pr_29062009.asp
Unbelievable! I knew she wouldn't go away. Notice they didn't use "Amanda Dykan" on that page anywhere? hehehe
She said she was going thru cancer 2-3 years ago, now I'm wondering if that was true or not. I know some pple made donations to her site because of her illness then.
I also seem to remember a heart attack and additional complications from blood clots or something at the end of 2007.
Looks like Paula Phillips is right back in the thick of it with Amanda Dykan. Somehow, I'm not surprised at all--birds of a feather and all that.
what goes around, comes around, so those two are in for a world of hurt.
HA ha! Just visited Mulberry Lane Studios--priceless that there are misspellings all over the place, including the 'About Us' page! It doesn't look like there's any danger of Amanda ever turning into a quality photographer, either.
Good luck with that 'Bachelor's Degree,' by the way! I suspect that the Art Institute of Pittsburgh or whatever she listed is one of those "degree" factories. A perfect fit for the likes of ol' Psycho Dyko.
I guess she'll never learn that crime doesn't pay.
She said she was going thru cancer 2-3 years ago, now I'm wondering if that was true or not. I know some pple made donations to her site because of her illness then.
I also seem to remember a heart attack and additional complications from blood clots or something at the end of 2007.
July 20, 2009 11:56 AM
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Hard to believe that someone with this many health issues is still breathing, much less taking kids to Disneyworld, designing, playing on Facebook via Blackberry, or even living in a car. Sounds like yet another digi world scam artist.
Seems like you guys are still a little too hung up on "Dyko"... or whatever it is you call her. I actually applaud her for trying to move on. Who cares? She's not here in this community. It looks like she's trying to do something for herself. You guys are just too obsessed with her. Leave her alone for Christ's sake.
Seems like you guys are still a little too hung up on "Dyko"... or whatever it is you call her. I actually applaud her for trying to move on. Who cares? She's not here in this community. It looks like she's trying to do something for herself. You guys are just too obsessed with her. Leave her alone for Christ's sake.
July 20, 2009 2:16 PM
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Are you nuts? Who cares, you asked? All people who got scammed by her and lost a lot of money care.
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Seems like you guys are still a little too hung up on "Dyko"... or whatever it is you call her. I actually applaud her for trying to move on. Who cares? She's not here in this community. It looks like she's trying to do something for herself. You guys are just too obsessed with her. Leave her alone for Christ's sake.
July 20, 2009 2:16 PM
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When reading the above post, try substituting "me" for "her" and "I'm" for "She's". Makes a whole lot more sense that way.
And we call you Dycho, because we think you're a psycho, not a lesbian. Not surprised you can't spell it mind you.
Seems like you guys are still a little too hung up on "Dyko"... or whatever it is you call her. I actually applaud her for trying to move on. Who cares? She's not here in this community. It looks like she's trying to do something for herself. You guys are just too obsessed with her. Leave her alone for Christ's sake.
July 20, 2009 2:16 PM
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You are a freakin dumb ass. You applaud Amanda? For what exactly? Scamming people with a fake identity? Causing people to lose money invested in her now worthless product? For illegally copying another designers work and claiming it as her own on numerous occasions?
For another thing I sure as shit care b/c I was personally scammed by her and lost months of hard work, time and money. Im not obsessed with her, she screwed me over hard core and I am rightly pissed!
So yeah, some of us do care. Obviously you don't know enough about the situation to speak on it. SO PLEASE DONT.
lol, the only "person" who would applaud Amanda Dykan is Amanda herself (or one of her multiple personalities).
Keep on, Amanda. As much as you like to think otherwise, your actions will catch up to you. And, no, you'll never be free of the reputation that YOU made for yourself.
I don't think Psycho Dycho's gonna be able to make any $$ as a photographer. My kids take better pictures with their fisher price cameras!
Seems like you guys are still a little too hung up on "Dyko"... or whatever it is you call her. I actually applaud her for trying to move on. Who cares? She's not here in this community. It looks like she's trying to do something for herself. You guys are just too obsessed with her. Leave her alone for Christ's sake.
July 20, 2009 2:16 PM
Go sell crazy somewhere else--we're all stocked up here.
Hahaha I bet Royanna is laughing her head off. What else could take the heat off her pity act other than the return of the infamous Dycho.
I wonder if they are related, sure would explain a lot lol.
but wait - there's more! I did a little detective work.
http://www.serif.com/company/media/corporate/pr_29062009.asp
July 20, 2009 11:34 AM
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Color me confused but I don't know what this has to do with Amanda? I know that Paula and she were friends but how does this relate to Mulberry Studios?
Seems like you guys are still a little too hung up on "Dyko"... or whatever it is you call her. I actually applaud her for trying to move on. Who cares? She's not here in this community. It looks like she's trying to do something for herself. You guys are just too obsessed with her. Leave her alone for Christ's sake.
July 20, 2009 2:16 PM
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You must either Amanda, really new or just plain stupid. Amanda ripped off people in the digi world and she's bound to do it again in the photography world. There is no moving on.
On a side note, what makes me laugh is that every half ass scrapper with a camera these days thinks they can run a photography business.
but wait - there's more! I did a little detective work.
http://www.serif.com/company/media/corporate/pr_29062009.asp
July 20, 2009 11:34 AM
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Color me confused but I don't know what this has to do with Amanda? I know that Paula and she were friends but how does this relate to Mulberry Studios?
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AMANDA is Mulberry Studios. Check out the blog:
http://mulberrylanestudio.blogspot.com/
MulberryLane is Amanda.
Paula is at the serif place.
I don't know what "July 20, 2009 12:34 PM" is talking about either.
MulberryLane is Amanda.
Paula is at the serif place.
I don't know what "July 20, 2009 12:34 PM" is talking about either.
July 20, 2009 9:57 PM
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Yep, I worked that out but don't understand how these dots connect.
AMANDA is Mulberry Studios. Check out the blog:
http://mulberrylanestudio.blogspot.com/
July 20, 2009 9:46 PM
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I know taht, but how does that relate to Paula or the Serif place?
Amanda and Paula have history.
Amanda is Mulberry Lane.
Mulberry Lane is at Serif.
Paula is at Serif.
I'm sorry I can't think of any simpler words.
That link is bum. It takes me to a broken page.
I don't see Mulberry Lane at Serif. Just Paula?
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