Here's a thought. Go get a real job. You should be able to make $6 in half an hour - even if you have to ask someone if they want fries with that. _____ Wow, if my McDonald's paid $12 an hour to take orders I would have worked there as a teenager instead of busting my ass waiting tables.
Here's a thought. Get over yourself. It is a real job and many designers make a lot more than they would at what you consider a "real" job.
Reading comprehension goes a long way. She said that's all she sent her. Not how much she is owed.
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No, that's NOT what she posted. She stated that:
So why is it that "said designer" has to wait to get paid from that store to send payments for the 3 invoices (which totals up to about $6 after the spilt) she sent me?
Apparently 'said designer' has not paid her the $6. Apparently 'said designer' has to wait to get paid herself. Said designer has only sent 'said victim' the invoices.
You seem to be the one who has reading comprehension difficulties.
Someone said it wasn't Shilo. That doesn't mean it was the op, or that she was telling the truth if it was the op.
There was a collab by Studio Demo, Bean Bunny and Shilo Designs at the end of April. May 20, 2011 11:36 AM
----------- I would be shocked if it were the Shilo, Jen, Amy collab. Even though I question their affiliation with Shilo, Jen and Amy are a little more mature and have been around long enough to know how to handle this situation more professionally.
I can believe it would be Shilo in the Shilo, Bean Bunny, Studio Demo collab. All of those girls are young and extremely immature.
Studio Demo has her boobs hanging out in just about every photo she uses to advertise her "designs." Just check out her blog photo: http://thestudiodemo.blogspot.com/ She makes Paris Hilton look classy.
The logos are not alike in anyway. The shape is different. The colors are different. The only thing that is the same is the letters used in the logo but, we can not help that can we?? If she really had a problem with the logo, she could have told ME instead of complaining to other people. I would have happily changed it. ----------------- If it is the Studio Demo, Bean Bunny and Shilo collab that would make this statement make sense. Studio Demo and Shilo Designs both use "SD" in their logo.
Branching from the "top tier" discussion - How in the WORLD did Alyssa Jones get into 9th & Bloom? I have not seen anything from her that would make me look twice!
Branching from the "top tier" discussion - How in the WORLD did Alyssa Jones get into 9th & Bloom? I have not seen anything from her that would make me look twice! ---------------------- It's not for everyone ;) She obviously has sales or else she wouldn't be kept around and that goes into the whole variety of the store.
Studio Demo is a piece of work. I wouldn't want my business associated with her in any way.
I do think she is 'miss anonymous' based on how she talks here. Especially when she said 'you have no idea who you are dealing with.' I've seen her behave that way elsewhere.
Which means that the other designer is probably Shilo, because Bean Bunny has kids, and also Bean Bunny and Studio Demo are really tight.
Apparently 'said designer' has not paid her the $6. Apparently 'said designer' has to wait to get paid herself. Said designer has only sent 'said victim' the invoices.
You seem to be the one who has reading comprehension difficulties
----------------- How is it that I'm the one with reading comprehension difficulties when everyone else understands what's going on?
The designer only sent her $6 for the invoices she received. Miss anonymous is upset because doesn't know what's owed to her from the invoices she DIDN't receive not because of the $6.
I do think she is 'miss anonymous' based on how she talks here. Especially when she said 'you have no idea who you are dealing with.' I've seen her behave that way elsewhere.
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Miss anonymous wasn't the one who said that. It was "said friend". So you either think Studio Demo is miss anonymous or you think she said "you have no idea who you are dealing with". It can't be both.
Studio Demo is a piece of work. I wouldn't want my business associated with her in any way.
I do think she is 'miss anonymous' based on how she talks here. Especially when she said 'you have no idea who you are dealing with.' I've seen her behave that way elsewhere.
Which means that the other designer is probably Shilo, because Bean Bunny has kids, and also Bean Bunny and Studio Demo are really tight. May 21, 2011 12:25 PM
_____ I can definitely see this being the case. If the complaining designer is Studio Demo it would also make sense that she would say whoever guessed that first was wrong. Adding in what little I know from other designers behind the scenes I'd say that's dead on actually.
I also think it's Studio Demo. I think that she knows Shilo reads this blog. So she thought if she said just enough to scare Shilo, she'd get what she wanted. I don't think she ever intended to actually reveal who she was talking about.
It also explains why the store owner would confirm that she was owed more money but then just ask her to keep it quiet. It is because the store owner is Miss Tiina, who we all know is super shady anyway.
I also noticed that on Studio Demo's blog, she uses a little symbol as part of her blog dividers that is a shiny rectangular "SD" and I'm guessing that logo is what irked Shilo.
I would be shocked if it were the Shilo, Jen, Amy collab. Even though I question their affiliation with Shilo, Jen and Amy are a little more mature and have been around long enough to know how to handle this situation more professionally.
I can believe it would be Shilo in the Shilo, Bean Bunny, Studio Demo collab. All of those girls are young and extremely immature.
Studio Demo has her boobs hanging out in just about every photo she uses to advertise her "designs." Just check out her blog photo: http://thestudiodemo.blogspot.com/ She makes Paris Hilton look classy. May 21, 2011 9:58 AM _______________________
I can't say much about the others but I agree about Amy. She's a sweetheart and wouldn't even have this problem I'm sure but would have handled it differently.
As far as the photo goes that Studio Demo has up I wouldn't hold that against her. She looks young, late teens or early twenties I'm guessing. I can't say I wasn't wearing similar clothing at that age. I didn't have a blog then but I put pictures like that on myspace/facebook. 12 year olds are dressing like that and posting them on the internet, it's the times we're in or something. Hopefully it will pass.
The designer only sent her $6 for the invoices she received. Miss anonymous is upset because doesn't know what's owed to her from the invoices she DIDN't receive not because of the $6. ___________________________________
First off, she never received the $6 from those invoices. Re-read her post.
Does the $6 really matter that much to YOU to keep coming back and arguing with someone else about what was said/not said or paid to the designer/not paid?
I took it as she was given 3 invoices total and after splitting that she should have gotten $6. She wasn't paid the $6 and believed it sold more than that anyway so she contacted the store owner. Store owner confirmed that kit sold more than 3 times so she should be getting paid more than $6 when the time comes for her to be paid.
So if that's true, that would make Shilo the OP and make it pretty funny that everyone was guessing here out of all the designers in the world. Lie with dogs / get fleas.
I don't know Bean Bunny or Studio Demo but I do think it was Studio Demo who posted about the collab. Reading her posts on her blog, she consistently puts a comma after the word 'but'.
Here's an idea...if it's that controversial or offensive....just don't post it. I guess she'll miss comments, though, if she does that. -----------
If you had bothered to look at her gallery, you would know she doesn't get a lot of comments, so it's not the comments that keep her sharing her LOs. Maybe she really wanted to know, did you think of that?
So if that's true, that would make Shilo the OP and make it pretty funny that everyone was guessing here out of all the designers in the world -------
Not really. Most designers have kids and the OP was clear that the designer involved had no kids. It wasn't exactly rocket science to narrow the list down.
So yes. It is Shilo who is stealing from her collab designers and I strongly advise anyone who has a collab with her to email her and her store owners for reports on the sales of their collabs.
I didn't want to "out" her just in case this whole thing was a misunderstanding but, I just got information that this is NOT a misunderstanding.
She told the other designer and I that she emailed both store owners and gave them permission to send us reports. When I emailed them this morning, I cc'ed Shilo and they both came back to me clueless about what I'm talking about. Another thing she has lied about.
I really have no reason to lie at all since I'm not the one that has anything to hide. I sent her screen shots of my reports that match up to the payments I've sent her.
The fact that she is so hesitant to send out reports just goes to show me even more that she has something to hide and is still not planning to give us honest payments.
At this point, I don't even want the money. I'm just really fed up with the whole situation and her lies about everything...about her checking. About her only selling 3 kits. About her emailing store owners for permission when she didn't. Its just super annoying and I want it to be over and done with. This is too much to go through at hands of someone I trusted to do a collab with.
If she's really that desperate for the money that she had to lie and steal from us and probably every other collab partner, she can keep it.
And if the way I handled this situation makes me look bad, I can deal with that. I was only trying to get what's owed to me for the sake of my family. If I didn't have a family to feed I wouldn't have messed with this situation in the first place!
P.s. I understand that this is a smack blog but, I really don't appreciate the things said here about me like "being a piece of work" and being judged by having my "tits out" in "every" picture when its really only that one on my blog. I've only had conversations with a few designers and I rarely post at public blogs so chances are pretty high that you have no idea what you're talking about when talking about. If you really have a problem with something I've done or said please let me know since I'm a very new and young designer. I'm still learning the business. I'm a very understanding person and would appreciate the advice more if it didn't come from "anonymous".
Since you asked for advice, I have some for you. (Sorry, but I prefer to remain anonymous here.) It's admirable that you wanted to warn other designers about someone who is stealing through collabs. I'm not sure that this is the appropriate place to do that. But then, I don't know that there is an appropriate place for it.
I think perhaps I would have emailed all of Shilo's store owners to explain the situation and ask for help. And then I would have emailed the other designers she has collabed with and ask them to do the same. If you are all asking her store owners to look into a problem, they are more likely to see that there is a potential for a problem, and check it out. Personally, I would have done all I could to handle the matter without putting myself out to be torn apart on the smack blog. I think protecting your reputation is important.
The thing that struck me as odd was the fact that you gave hints about who it was and then encouraged everyone to guess. If you are going to tell anyway, why not just make a statement and put it out there with a little less drama.
As for your photo on your blog, you look fine in my opinion. I actually think you look young and cute. Cleavage isn't the same thing as having your "boobs hang out." I thought that was a pretty rude and uncalled for statement. Besides, not every designer has to be a 30 something mom of 3.
At this point, I think you should ask the store owners to remove your collabs with Shilo from their stores and remove them from yours as well. Wipe the slate clean and move on.
Thanks. I just didn't want to say her name because it could have been a misunderstanding. This is also the reason I didn't email the other designers. I didn't want to paint a negative image of her if it wasn't true.
If people want to look at me in a negative way because of this, they can. Its their right. As long as I'm not labeled as a thief I'm cool! I'm a designer that is getting better and better as time goes on and I'm loyal to my fans. That's all that really matters to me.
That list gets longer every time I happen to stumble onto that store.
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I think it's because the store is actually a software company. I heard from a few people that bought kits from there that the files weren't named, no TOU, etc. The scrappers were a bit perplexed. One of the administrators responded that the kits were set up that way so they could work better in their software - after buying you can click it into the software (mymemories) but now I see that there is a TOU on every page - generic and the same one for every designer.
None of the previews on the site don't have the designer names on them. I don't think that's a good idea. Pirates would love that.
Studio Demo - you don't communicate well. You get emotional and you rush through things and it appears you don't think them through (probably because you are emotional.) This shows in how many stores you went through, in your previous incarnation as Paper Planes and now as Studio Demo.
Clearly you act before you stop and reflect on things. That's a sign of your immaturity. How you handled this issue by coming here and encouraging people to guess who the designer was, is just another sign of your immaturity.
I'm 20 years old. Obviously I'm going to be more immature than the average designer. And yes, anyone will get emotional if someone was stealing from them. At least I would hope so.
I haven't even been in a lot of stores so I really have no idea wjat you're talking about.
being 20 has nothing to do with maturity. its in your attitude and the way you handled this situation - its high school - looking to cause trouble. if you wanted to point out what was going on, then you shouldn't have posted it all the way you did . . . if at all. looking for sympathy at a smak blog isn't a good idea. for all we know, you aren't even Studio Demo - you have as yet to SIGN IN to prove it. still just miss anonymous.
It's the first time I hear about "Studio demo" (but I've heard the name Paper planes before), but I want to say I'm glad she posted that story here. Where else can we learn about it otherwise? At DST? No way! And even if she had emailed all the store owners and they had kicked out Shilo from their store, what would have happened? Someone someday would have said "Hey, why is Shilo gone from stores X, Y and Z?" And that's it... no real answer about what happened... Shilo would have reappeared in another store with no consequence. I'm so tired of all the little drama that goes on behind closed doors.
So, thank you Studio Demo.
BTW, English is no my first language so don't bother telling me my grammar sucks ;)
I'm glad to read the truth about Shilo, too. People have had some negative opinions about Shilo on this blog for a while, and I didn't understand why ... maybe now I do.
I still think Studio Demo's blog photo makes her look trashy. Its not just the boobs - look at how short her skirt is. She clearly has no idea what the word 'professional' means.
I don't care that she's young and cute, that kind of photo should be on her personal blog, not here business blog.
I don't think there is anything wrong with her photo either. Her boobs aren't all hanging out but God forbid someone have a little cleavage and show it. I've seen more boob on blogs from very well known established designers and no one said anything then. Her skirt isn't that short either, you know when you sit down they tend to go up further. Plus known of that has anything to do with her designing or the situation she has been put in. People handle situations differently because we have different personalities and emotions that come through in different ways. It may not be how you would have handled it but she may not agree with how you would have. I for one am just glad to find out before I put my money into Shilo's pocket.
I think Studio Demo was fine in coming here. People come in with rumors, allegations, suspicions here all the time. She couldn't post anonymously over at DST and was looking to get advice without getting anyone into trouble. It wasn't her that started the guessing game. It was Anonymous posters here. From what I can tell it looks like she was doing her best to deflect attention from Shilo by saying it wasn't her. But eventually it came to the point where it was so completely obvious that it was Shilo that she was speaking about - it had to come out.
As far as Paper Planes/Studio Demo store-hopping - really? She started at one store last year, and then went exclusive - then the store closed so she had to move again. Yes she's in a couple stores now - but that's not store hopping.
It is ridiculous to say "I'm not going to tell you unless you guess." First of all, either say or don't say. Secondly, don't say "no it's not her" when her name is guessed and then come back later and say "okay yes - it was her". The whole song and dance cast a shadow on the original problem.
Wasn't it Shilo that came here and pasted all of the convo from her private forum at DSB a little while ago? And now this? Not cool Shilo. If I was your store owner, I'd close your store. You are proving yourself to be seriously untrustworthy and unethical.
It is ridiculous to say "I'm not going to tell you unless you guess." First of all, either say or don't say. Secondly, don't say "no it's not her" when her name is guessed and then come back later and say "okay yes - it was her". The whole song and dance cast a shadow on the original problem.
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I never said that I'll tell if they guessed. I said it would be different if they guessed. I said no it wasn't her because I was still unsure if it was a misunderstanding and I didn't want people to talk negatively about her if it was. It was just me making the most out of the phrase "innocent until proven guilty". (This and out of respect for the store owner) But, she was indeed found guilty...at which point I came back and revealed who it was.
Just because you didn't get the answer WHEN you wanted it and HOW you wanted it doesn't make the way things unfolded ridiculous.
SD - clearly you felt wronged, probably justifiably so. I don't mind that you brought it here to be aired since this is probably the only place that the actual details of the situation would have been allowed to be posted. Certainly not at DST.
Having said that I do hope you are pursuing other avenues of income besides designing. NOT because you're a bad designer. I actually have no idea how well you design, all I know is that you were shown 3 invoices with a total income to you of $6. Even if Shilo has withheld money, I somehow doubt it would be in the hundreds. I could be wrong.
My point is this. You're young and bright. Go to college, get some marketable skills so you can find a job that actually pays you a decent income. You can always do this as a second job or hobby. Because the real truth is that the great majority of designers don't make a lot of money. Of course, the big names in the large stores probably do pull in a thousand or more a month, but most don't. So for a career, you need to ask yourself if you can live on a few hundred bucks a month or less?
Your picture was fine for a personal blog or even a designing one. Designing is supposed to 'artsy' + 'professional' not 'prudish'. BUT, if you were applying for a job in the real world (as opposed to digi virtual) and you showed up for an interview in that top and skirt, you might hurt your chances for employment. At least in the lower 48. Island etiquette might very well be different of course.
I'll be honest, I don't like seeing images of the designer on their promo at all ... Royanna does it to an excess, and there are a couple other designers who do it. Your blog has a huge header image that shows just you, boobs and all. I have to scroll down to actually see any kits - which means the first impression you give - by choice - is 'I'm pretty and have a good body' which is totally irrelevant to your designs.
I don't care what you wear, and I don't think you need to change your wardrobe to put a photo on your blog. I think that you intentionally chose an angle that accentuated your boobs and short skirt. You took the photo from an 'up' angle, so it was pointing down your shirt. I am not a prude, but it doesn't just accentuate your boobs, it also accentuates your immaturity. I'm clearly not the only one who feels that way because other people said the same thing.
Your awful grammar, your sexualized image to sell digital scrapbook designs, and the way you handled this situation here (and in my opinion, telling people you will confirm the designer if the guess, is as good as saying 'start guessing' so yes you did encourage it) all reflect your immaturity.
I don't log in with my blog because I didn't come here and open myself up for attack and then ask for advice.
My point is this. You're young and bright. Go to college, get some marketable skills so you can find a job that actually pays you a decent income. You can always do this as a second job or hobby. Because the real truth is that the great majority of designers don't make a lot of money. Of course, the big names in the large stores probably do pull in a thousand or more a month, but most don't. So for a career, you need to ask yourself if you can live on a few hundred bucks a month or less?
Your picture was fine for a personal blog or even a designing one. Designing is supposed to 'artsy' + 'professional' not 'prudish'. BUT, if you were applying for a job in the real world (as opposed to digi virtual) and you showed up for an interview in that top and skirt, you might hurt your chances for employment. At least in the lower 48. Island etiquette might very well be different of course.
Just my 2cents. Now all the SAHMs can slam me. May 22, 2011 12:03 PM
----------- No slamming from me. I completely agree and I do stay home and design but I do it because I'm able to. I can make nothing and it doesn't matter. Anyone who is young though or even older and still able to get an education and have an actual career should take full advantage. Someone who starts designing digital scrapbook kits in their 20s thinking its a career for them is being naive. In 30 years will they still want to design scrapbook kits? 40, 50 years? Doubtful. This isn't an industry I'd be willing to commit to for that long anyway.
Glad you are in school so you will have other options.
what a bunch of hypocritical hags, you complain that there's nothing smack worthy and then when someone brings something to the table you slam them. You get on your high horse about it not being the right thing to do, but then bitch that people don't get "outed" at DST for their wrongdoings. Can't have it both ways you fugly biatches.
LMAO@fugly biatches I haven't heard that since I was 16. That's great.
I do agree with you though. Why don't you all stop slamming the person who came out and let us know about Shilo doing wrong and I don't know... slam Shilo?
^^^ Because this is a smack blog and anyone who is dumb enough to come out here is likely to get smacked? Besides she asked for it by playing stupid drama games.
I want to know if Shilo's store owners are going to drop her. I wouldn't want to have someone in my store who pulls that kind of crap.
yeah, that's pretty low - screwing your collab partners. But I don't agree that the store should have to provide invoices to any designers not in their store - as someone mentioned, their contract is with their designer. That doesn't mean it's right, but why should store owners have to babysit this? It would probably end up where collabs are not allowed in the store, which in my opinion wouldn't be a bad thing. I haven't really noticed too many collabs that are actually one I would buy.
But I too am curious as to where Shilo is and why she hasn't come here with her side of the story when she has recently posted herself.
Not a very good impression to leave us all with ...
I agree, I think Shilo needs to give her side of the story. She's looking pretty bad right now. But maybe her silence means there isn't anything she can legitimately say to defend herself.
I did notice that the collabs are removed from Shilo's store. But they are still up in Studio Demo's stores. Seems like she would have removed them by now, since she is so anxious to be done with Shilo.
I really want to comment on this thread at DST ( http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/scrap-talk-65/comment-not-comment-277932/ ) but there's no way for me to do so there without really publicly pissing someone off. So I'll voice my thoughts here. Stef doesn't even BUY products which she has mentioned over and over and over again. Not sure who she is trying to impress with her vast knowledge but she sure doesn't impress me. My point is why does she care what a designer's products look like or whether they are perfect or not if she doesn't even buy? And why would she need to take a class or read a tutorial when she obviously knows every fucking thing there is to know?
Studio Demo is a hotttieee and I think she looks fab with her legs hangin out in that mini oh and the boobs! Shit if I was 20 all over again that would so be me!! LOL
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You think that, do you? She never claims to know everything, so I'm not sure why you think she does. She worked as a professional illustrator for years, so yes, she doe have knowledge. So sorry you have a bug up your butt about it, but I'm sure you've come across people in your life who do know more about something than you do. Deal with it.
I really want to comment on this thread at DST ( http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/scrap-talk-65/comment-not-comment-277932/ ) but there's no way for me to do so there without really publicly pissing someone off. So I'll voice my thoughts here. Stef doesn't even BUY products which she has mentioned over and over and over again. Not sure who she is trying to impress with her vast knowledge but she sure doesn't impress me. My point is why does she care what a designer's products look like or whether they are perfect or not if she doesn't even buy? And why would she need to take a class or read a tutorial when she obviously knows every fucking thing there is to know?
--------------------- quite honestly, she gets under my skin too. The air of superiority, the almost preachy posts. You're sure to see a post from her during NSD & DSD reminding everyone to remember what this hobby is all about, it's about scrapping, not shopping. STFU you judgemental bitch, I scrap every fucking weekend - and for me, on those 2 particular weekends, it's all about the shopping. Sheesh. It wouldn't hurt her to buy a few things. Maybe her crappy pages would look a little better.
Shilo sounds like a real piece of work and after she came here and outed the DSB private forum and now this she needs to be pushed out of all the stores shes in. If I recall I think the blame was placed on another designer and she was the one who really started that whole DSB fiaso.. I've never heard of Studio Demo and honestly I'd never buy from her, not the quality of work I'm into but I am sorry that this other chic decided to steal from her. The store owners really need to be sent this information.
quite honestly, she gets under my skin too. The air of superiority, the almost preachy posts. You're sure to see a post from her during NSD & DSD reminding everyone to remember what this hobby is all about, it's about scrapping, not shopping. STFU you judgemental bitch, I scrap every fucking weekend - and for me, on those 2 particular weekends, it's all about the shopping. Sheesh. It wouldn't hurt her to buy a few things. Maybe her crappy pages would look a little better. -----------------
You make me laugh. Her pages are just fine. I feel sorry for you that you need to use work created by someone else. Can't you make a page without using a kit?
Steph is scrapping simply in a different way most scrappers do. So what? People complain when things get too commercial, with sales, ads and such, then, people complain when someone is looking exactly at the other side of the hobby. I guess, you (general you, complaining all the time) will never be happy.
I would also like to know where the third designer in all this is? I'm sure she has something to say about it. Where does she even sell? I've never heard of her untill now.
You make me laugh. Her pages are just fine. I feel sorry for you that you need to use work created by someone else. Can't you make a page without using a kit?
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of course moron, who couldn't? but would I like the end result as much if I had bought a kit from a store? probably not.
I tend to agree, although I don't like her style at all (Stef), she shouldn't be so condescending to others who choose to buy kits. I would not want my pages to look like hers.
That's because you have the mentality of a 10 year old. Who, as an adult, says 'know it all' or even thinks that about someone else? _________________________________
No the OP, but lots of women talk like that. That expression has nothing to do with someone's maturity level. No one needs you to preach to the rest of us on a smack blog.
Obviously there are people who like her and people who don't.
No the OP, but lots of women talk like that. That expression has nothing to do with someone's maturity level. No one needs you to preach to the rest of us on a smack blog. ----------
And no one needs you to tell others what to do now, do they?
I don't know any women who talk like that, thank goodness.
I think her layouts are ugly but that's my opinion, if she's happy with them then that's all that really matters. I wouldn't send her a PM to tell her I don't like the way she scraps and I would hope that she never sends me one telling me she doesn't like the way I did something on my layout. Real mistakes like a typo and I'd appreciate it but that's it.
I just looked at her gallery and her layouts without kits are not something I'm interested in. I think ones like these http://www.weedsandwildflowersdesign.com/everydaylife/ are gorgeous. There are only a few items from kits and for the most part it's things that anyone with a little knowledge could make.
I think her layouts are ugly but that's my opinion, if she's happy with them then that's all that really matters. I wouldn't send her a PM to tell her I don't like the way she scraps and I would hope that she never sends me one telling me she doesn't like the way I did something on my layout. -------
But that's not what she's talking about. The fact that some of you think that's what she's talking about, is both amusing and disturbing.
Most scrapbooking layouts are subject to personal preferences. There are many styles. Some will love the tiny, barely visible photos in a minimal layout, others prefer to see the pictures. Some will like to showcase the kits and use the photo to emphasise the elements, while others will use the kits to showcase the photos. Who is right? Who is wrong? Which layouts are considered "nice"? Which ones are considered "ugly"? Your call!
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That's because you have the mentality of a 10 year old. Who, as an adult, says 'know it all' or even thinks that about someone else?
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Well right now I'm thinking it about you. So I guess a lot of us think that way.
You know, if I were Stef, I'd be embarassed that you were here defending me by acting like a rabid dog. Why are you so up her ass? Being called a know-it-all isn't really that big of a deal in the scheme of things.
You are actually making Stef look way worse than any of the people saying things against her because now, not only do I think she's a know-it-all, I think she associates with assholes.
Stef's scrapping doesn't bother me. It's the way she portrays herself. She comes across as someone who knows all there is to know about design. She hangs out at a site that is essentially about digiscrap SHOPPING but bitches about people who use kits.
For someone that portrays herself as the expert of everything here's a layout that shows she's not perfect. She forgot an apostrophe in doesn't. Whoops. http://www.digishoptalk.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1320819&title=she-doesn-27t-know-she-27s&cat=all
Wow. This conversation has degraded quite a bit. It is interesting that it seems all of the posts defending Stef are by the same person (same style of typing). I do not have an opinion about Stef either way. I do agree with the person that said the defender is making Stef look worse.
I'll be honest, I don't like seeing images of the designer on their promo at all ... Royanna does it to an excess, and there are a couple other designers who do it. Your blog has a huge header image that shows just you, boobs and all. I have to scroll down to actually see any kits - which means the first impression you give - by choice - is 'I'm pretty and have a good body' which is totally irrelevant to your designs.
I don't care what you wear, and I don't think you need to change your wardrobe to put a photo on your blog. I think that you intentionally chose an angle that accentuated your boobs and short skirt. You took the photo from an 'up' angle, so it was pointing down your shirt. I am not a prude, but it doesn't just accentuate your boobs, it also accentuates your immaturity. I'm clearly not the only one who feels that way because other people said the same thing.
Your awful grammar, your sexualized image to sell digital scrapbook designs, and the way you handled this situation here (and in my opinion, telling people you will confirm the designer if the guess, is as good as saying 'start guessing' so yes you did encourage it) all reflect your immaturity.
I don't log in with my blog because I didn't come here and open myself up for attack and then ask for advice. May 22, 2011 2:30 PM
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OMG! Seriously! 'sexualized image' ROFL Get over yourself! You must have saggy boobs after having a couple of kids so you wish you had her body.
I think Stef comes across as looking down on people who use kits. She often says things like 'why would you want buttons on your scrapbook page?" (no that's not a direct quote, it's the jist of her comments.) To me, it's like going to a cloth diapering site and sneering at everyone for not using disposables. Why does she hang out there? Seems like she does it to take every opportunity to tell scrappers how much she disdains digital kits.
As far as I was aware, DST was about digital scrapping, not digital scrap kit buying. Look at how many of you are looking down on Stef because she doesn't use kits, how does that make you any better? Put simply, it doesn't. You are doing exactly what you are accusing her of doing. It's a bit hypocritical, don't you think?
I was curious and just looked through several pages of her posts at DST. I don't see anything that makes her seem like she looks down on others or anything complaining about people using kits. If anyone can find an example I'd like to see it. I had no idea who she was until it came up here. I did see this post "I'm a bit of a purist, and I create each of my layouts individually. So, all of the backgrounds, extractions & 'stuff' are unique to each page. So, it goes against my grain to create generic, or even specific designs for others. I just can't imagine myself creating the kinds of things people actually want to buy... pp? Nah! Ribbons & flowers? No way! Fantasy art? Not my style! So, I don't know what I'd do. I'm not willing to conform to what people seem to be buying, and I don't think many people would buy what appeals to me!" replying to why she doesn't design. Here she admits that her stuff is out of the norm but I don't feel like she's talking down on those that use those things.
Because this is a smack blog and anyone who is dumb enough to come out here is likely to get smacked? Besides she asked for it by playing stupid drama games.
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Why do I have to be "dumb"? At first, I was thinking...maybe I should listen to these women. They may know more than. Then I kept reading and realized that all of you nothing but people that hide behind anonymity because you would never be able to say any of this directly to the person being "smacked". Therefore, making your opinion quite irrelevant...to me at least.
It's quite funny too that you find my picture on my blog more important than what Shilo has done. If MY picture on MY blog bothers you that much...don't look at it! Simple. The fact that you have to pick apart what I look like just shows insecurities within yourself and that's on you.
Your awful grammar, your sexualized image to sell digital scrapbook designs, and the way you handled this situation here (and in my opinion, telling people you will confirm the designer if the guess, is as good as saying 'start guessing' so yes you did encourage it) all reflect your immaturity.
------- We've already established that I'm immature...*yawns* Next --->
I did notice that the collabs are removed from Shilo's store. But they are still up in Studio Demo's stores. Seems like she would have removed them by now, since she is so anxious to be done with Shilo.
----- I haven't had a chance to log into my stores. I'm posting from my phone. Jeesh you people love to ASSume.
If you got accepted to 9&B, SO & SM, which would you choose?
^^^^ That's tough. I don't know anything about what goes on behind the scenes at either so I would probably like to know more about that before making a decision... probably ask designers from each if I knew any well enough. Probably 9&B, possibly SM.
Demo- good for you for sticking up for yourself but quit while you're ahead. You aren't making things better by coming here and posting under your own name.
Demo- good for you for sticking up for yourself but quit while you're ahead. You aren't making things better by coming here and posting under your own name.
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Thanks for the advice however, if I have something to say I will say it under my name as I'd rather not hide behind anonymity especially if I am defending myself.
About DST: It's DigiSHOPtalk, not DigiSCRAPtalk, so yes, shopping is something forum users are interested in.
About Stef: I don't like her LOs, they are so different from what got me into scrapbooking in the fist place. I look at them and it's like being back in 1995! Or it's like someone who just got Office and plays with PowerPoint!
^^^ Exactly how I feel. The people that have responded saying they don't see any posts where she seems to know it all just haven't dug deep enough and I don't expect them to. I am just saying what I have seen for the past couple of years. Like the time she critiqued the shadow box a designer made (and asked for cc) in another forum, Stef critiqued and went overboard. She came across as a know-it-all and that's when I first noticed her attitude. If she would tone the attitude down she probably wouldn't get under my skin.
Seems like some that come here have a bug up their proverbial butts to trash one person or another. I don't ever remember seeing Steph's name come up here before which leads me to believe that the original poster is the one with the bug. Then others just follow. Why can't someone be a know-it-all as they may really just know more then you do. I listen to others as I might learn something I didn't know and if there isn't anything new to learn I just keep my mouth shut. Those who post anon here are acting more like the know it alls then the know it alls!!!
Thanks for the advice however, if I have something to say I will say it under my name as I'd rather not hide behind anonymity especially if I am defending myself.
May 23, 2011 5:08 AM
That's fine in the real world, but in this industry, it could be as good as burying yourself.
I guarantee we'll never hear from Shilo about it. She'll probably quietly close up all her shops (unless the owners do it for her), and then start designing under another name ;)
I guarantee we'll never hear from Shilo about it. She'll probably quietly close up all her shops (unless the owners do it for her), and then start designing under another name ;)
May 23, 2011 9:42 AM
Or disappear for a year again like she did the last time. Already her blog hasn't been updated in months.
That's fine in the real world, but in this industry, it could be as good as burying yourself.
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This industry has way too many "standards" from what I'm seeing so much so that you all have resorted to being anonymous people instead of using your freedom of speech rights which is kind of sad.
Your work should be based on your work and how you treat your customers and fans not on what smack you talk on a SMACK blog. If you're so worrirf about what people may think of you because you post here, why post at all. Its almost like you're scared of being yourself.
Posting here is obviously something you do in you spare time and for fun. Why should I should I stop posting here under my name when I'm not even trash talking someone...I'm only defending myself.
If defending myself is going to make people stop buying from me or look at me in a negative way ("bury" me), oh well. I don't need their money. Because what I do in my spare time should not matter if my work is good...and I treat my fans and peers with respect. I'd rather people stop buying from me for being myself rather than get sales from people who would stop following me if they found out I posted here.
If you got accepted to 9&B, SO & SM, which would you choose? _______________________
I'd go with SO. I don't visit any of them regularly, but SO's forum seems more active than the others and they seem to have more events to draw people in. And just my personal opinion, I see them as a higher tier store than the other two.
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From what I know about all three, for the best customer base, sales, and site management, I'd choose SO hands down. If I were you, I'd ask for a guest spot with all three and see how it goes, then make your decision based on that. I love my current store and I'm not leaving. But if I were I'd never move to a new store without asking for a guest spot first.
Do you believe in "once a pirate, always a pirate"? or do you think that "once a pirate can change"?
I saw a member of DST who is starting to design, is looking for a store, but she has been pirating kits in a closed group. I have proofs from a couple of years ago.
Do you believe in "once a pirate, always a pirate"? or do you think that "once a pirate can change"?
I saw a member of DST who is starting to design, is looking for a store, but she has been pirating kits in a closed group. I have proofs from a couple of years ago. May 23, 2011 12:34 PM
^^^^ In most cases I'd say yes. I have met people who genuinely had no idea that digiscrap kits costs money because people just kept sharing them on a forum like they were free. Once they learned they weren't they went and bought every kit they had downloaded for free. Very rare that someone will do that though.
To the person asking who this "designer" is, I can say she is not someone who was mentioned here yet. She tried joining stores (20 or so) but was let go from almost all of them once the owners were given proof that she was sharing kits. Then, she only concentrated on CTing for a couple of years (yeah, another open door for pirating though!). Now, she created a kit and is looking for stores to "host" it.
I will disclose the name in time. I am just wondering if a store owner would take seriously, a claim that this "new designer" WAS a proven pirate or just ignore it and give her the benefit of the doubt. So, should I bother to inform any store owner where she would start selling? She was not sharing "accidentally" so it was never "an honest mistake".
If you check in the calls section, you probably will find her anyways. But I don't want to play guessing games at this point. If you do, that is up to you.
Seems like some that come here have a bug up their proverbial butts to trash one person or another. I don't ever remember seeing Steph's name come up here before which leads me to believe that the original poster is the one with the bug. Then others just follow. Why can't someone be a know-it-all as they may really just know more then you do. I listen to others as I might learn something I didn't know and if there isn't anything new to learn I just keep my mouth shut. Those who post anon here are acting more like the know it alls then the know it alls!!!
May 23, 2011 7:24 AM ^^ Check the archives, her name has came up at least once before.
Exactly how I feel. The people that have responded saying they don't see any posts where she seems to know it all just haven't dug deep enough and I don't expect them to. I am just saying what I have seen for the past couple of years. Like the time she critiqued the shadow box a designer made (and asked for cc) in another forum, Stef critiqued and went overboard. She came across as a know-it-all and that's when I first noticed her attitude. If she would tone the attitude down she probably wouldn't get under my skin. ----------
No she didn't. In that circumstance, she did know it all, in a manner of speaking. She's had years of professional illustrating etc under her belt. She didn't go overboard at all. The person who was asking for CC just didn't really except to get any or didn't really want any. Probably like you, you think you know it all, which is why you hate to hear from people that actually know more than you.
Anonymous said... ^^^ STFU Stef. It's bad enough you are all over DST do you have to spoil the smack blog too?
May 23, 2011 6:56 PM ________________
Anonymous said... ^^^^
I'm not Stef. Some people are so stupid. Even if I were, I can be wherever I want, freedom of speech and all that. Don't like it, go somewhere else.
May 23, 2011 7:08 PM
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I actually don't think it's Stef. Stef comes off at DST as overly confident in her own skills. Which doesn't marry well with her apparent ignorance of the general lack of desire by others to hear her talk about her "amazing" skills. But I've never pegged her as the type to be nasty and immature, or straight out rude to people, like her defender here is acting.
It is entirely possible that the Stef-defender could be Shilo trying to lead the conversation away from the talk about her.
Studio Demo's blog photo does not surprise me. So many young women have a very misguided sense of self. They imagine that everyone wants or needs to see their breasts, their behinds and their underwear in order for them to be accepted. They have grown up watching too much reality TV and perhaps think that Paris Hilton, Brittany Spears, The Housewives and Lindsay Lohan are models for how a woman should present herself. I don't know about the rest of you, but seeing someone's else crotch or tits sells little but the reality of how self indulgent and desperate they are for attention.
Taking a photo of yourself, least of all one in which your are representing a scrapbook shop, with your bra showing, breast hanging out and your skirt just covering your vajajay - girl, all you are saying is how little you respect yourself. I have no desire to spend my hard earned money supporting your misguided ego. Grow up. Cover up. Its a family hobby not a peep show.
Taking a photo of yourself, least of all one in which your are representing a scrapbook shop, with your bra showing, breast hanging out and your skirt just covering your vajajay - girl, all you are saying is how little you respect yourself. I have no desire to spend my hard earned money supporting your misguided ego. Grow up. Cover up. Its a family hobby not a peep show. ----------
Hmm, considering that the photo is only on her blog and not in her shop, I'm not sure what your problem is. If that photo was on her product, sure, you've got a complaint, but it's not. I can pretty much bet that if her blog hadn't come up here, you would never have seen that photo.
It's irrelevant. You don't shop at the blog. A designer's blog is not the first point of sale, her store is. Most people only visit the blog later, if they like the designer.
Wow. My boob are still the topic of discussion. ONE picture like that means I have a "misguided sense of self"? Lol okay. This conversation is getting a little sad now. You all seem like your desperate from something to bitch about. I bring forward a theif and you talk crap about my picture like that important. Someone else brings forward a pirate and you all talk crap about my boobs. Its almost starting to sound like a jealousy thing if you need to talk about my boobs rather than the problems at hand. My boobs and my picture are not "hurting" anyone but myself. The thief and the pirate however are hurting more people...but my blog picture is what's important to you.
I'm NOT changing my blog picture unless I do a blog makeover to match my new packaging. So if you don't like my blog picture, don't look. Don't buy from me. Lol. I don't care. Its simple. Why don't you get that?
Wow. My boob are still the topic of discussion. ONE picture like that means I have a "misguided sense of self"? Lol okay. This conversation is getting a little sad now. You all seem like your desperate from something to bitch about. I bring forward a theif and you talk crap about my picture like that important. Someone else brings forward a pirate and you all talk crap about my boobs. Its almost starting to sound like a jealousy thing if you need to talk about my boobs rather than the problems at hand. My boobs and my picture are not "hurting" anyone but myself. The thief and the pirate however are hurting more people...but my blog picture is what's important to you.
I'm NOT changing my blog picture unless I do a blog makeover to match my new packaging. So if you don't like my blog picture, don't look. Don't buy from me. Lol. I don't care. Its simple. Why don't you get that? May 24, 2011 3:22 AM
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Way to go, girl! I'm with you! I think there is only one person here who is annoyed by your boobs (she keeps posting over and over again) and she sounds really prude and jealous.
Its not just one person talking about your boobs. I am one of them and I didn't post it all.
It could be Shilo and me though. Or maybe I am Shilo. Or maybe I'm the pirate at DST. Or maybe I'm just someone who is stirring up shit for fun and doesn't really care about any of it.
Anonymous said... Wow. My boob are still the topic of discussion. ONE picture like that means I have a "misguided sense of self"? Lol okay. This conversation is getting a little sad now. You all seem like your desperate from something to bitch about. I bring forward a theif and you talk crap about my picture like that important. Someone else brings forward a pirate and you all talk crap about my boobs. Its almost starting to sound like a jealousy thing if you need to talk about my boobs rather than the problems at hand. My boobs and my picture are not "hurting" anyone but myself. The thief and the pirate however are hurting more people...but my blog picture is what's important to you.
I'm NOT changing my blog picture unless I do a blog makeover to match my new packaging. So if you don't like my blog picture, don't look. Don't buy from me. Lol. I don't care. Its simple. Why don't you get that? May 24, 2011 3:22 AM
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Way to go, girl! I'm with you! I think there is only one person here who is annoyed by your boobs (she keeps posting over and over again) and she sounds really prude and jealous.
May 24, 2011 3:35 AM
------------------------ I am with you too! Maybe those fellow bitches here are just plain jealous (you know, after 5 kiddos their boobs can sweep the floor!)
Its not just one person talking about your boobs. I am one of them and I didn't post it all.
It could be Shilo and me though. Or maybe I am Shilo. Or maybe I'm the pirate at DST. Or maybe I'm just someone who is stirring up shit for fun and doesn't really care about any of it.
Don't worry Demo, I won't ever buy from you.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Who cares who you are at this point? You sound like an idiot that needs to feel more important than they actually are.
I think those who are upset about your boobs do not get the cultural difference between island culture and mainland culture. Despite that though I see late teens/early twenty-somethings dressed much, much worse here in my landlocked state all the time. I would not worry about anyone here complaining about your body. People here would complain about anything and most are probably designers. The average scrapper has no need to be on a site like this.
That is freaking fantastic. I sense a new kit coming out. "Five Kid Bewbies" All sorts of cute little ladies with bresticles hanging below their dresses, wonder bra elements, extracted nipples.. the possibilities are endless, right?
I remember once a long time ago kidding around that people would start extracting dirt... and trust me it's happened, right? Now we scrap pictures or random stock photos of kids on unicorns. I don't see boobs as far away on the list. Who knows.. XXX Scrapbooking.. for fetishers? A bondage kit? So much potential there! :D
If defending myself is going to make people stop buying from me or look at me in a negative way ("bury" me), oh well. I don't need their money. Because what I do in my spare time should not matter if my work is good...and I treat my fans and peers with respect. I'd rather people stop buying from me for being myself rather than get sales from people who would stop following me if they found out I posted here.
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Alyssa, what you don't seem to understand is that your customers may very well be HERE at this blog. Reputation is important, and it's all about how you carry yourself and behave ALL the time -- because you never know who may be watching/reading. This is advice you'd be well off to tuck away and use in real life, too.
To everyone who's been wondering where Shilo is and why she isn't posting anything here in response to the whole collab drama -- I would bet my '5 kid boobies' (still laughing about that one) that she's the one who keeps posting random ridiculousness like "tit taaayyyys!" and off-color comments about Studio Demo every 50 posts or so... just IMO. Because we ALL know she's reading this... there's no way she's not.
Alyssa, what you don't seem to understand is that your customers may very well be HERE at this blog. Reputation is important, and it's all about how you carry yourself and behave ALL the time -- because you never know who may be watching/reading. This is advice you'd be well off to tuck away and use in real life, too.
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Thanks but when the way I act "all of the time" starts to affect the quality of my designs then I will tuck it away. I think that ANY designer's reputation (whether they post here or not) should be based solely upon their quality, their customer service and whether they are involved in illegal activity or not.
Since I post here does not affect the quality of my designs, the way I handle customer service issues and since I am not involved in any illegal activity, I don't see why I would gain a bad reputation in designing digital scrapbooking kits. If I were a teacher and this was a smack blog talking about students...yeah that would hurt my reputation but, since I am here simply defending myself and NOT smack talking about anyone I don't see why my "reputation" will lower.
You advice is a little hypocritical to me. If posting here is SO frowned upon and reflects negatively on a person why are YOU posting here? What would happen if your customers found out you were posting here? Hmmmmm. But, I guess it is alright when you can hide. People may not know who you are but, YOU do. And if posting here is as bad as you make it seem, shouldn't something not be sitting right with you since you ARE posting here? But hey, that's for you to deal with on your own.
P.S. If my fans and customers who may read this are as impressionable as you are making them seem, I think that what people have already said about my boobs and my blog picture will make them look at me in a negative light anyway. I don't see how me defending myself here to you ANONYMOUS people will make me look worse than you all already have.
SD you crack me up! You are now posting under your name just because you had to defend yourself. If nobody knew it was you and this issue never happened you would still be here posting under anonymous. You are now preaching about anonymous posters...you are the one that is being hipocritical.
SD you crack me up! You are now posting under your name just because you had to defend yourself. If nobody knew it was you and this issue never happened you would still be here posting under anonymous. You are now preaching about anonymous posters...you are the one that is being hipocritical.
--------- I've never actually posted here until this happened and I posted anonymous because I had to not because I was scared or hiding.
SD you didn't HAVE to post here anonymously or under your true name. You chose to do that. There were ways to handle your problem without coming here.
I suspect that you are enjoying that the drama is focused on you based on the fact that you posted here, encouraged everyone to guess who you were accusing and then the fact that you keep coming back here egging it on. Of course, we all like watching a train wreck or we wouldn't be here. The difference is that most of the rest of us don't want the drama to revolve around us.
This is a smack blog. People here will tear you apart. You might have realized that was going to happen to you if you'd looked at any single page in the archives before you'd posted.
PS It isn't you that deserves to be smacked at this point SD. It's Shilo. Problem is you keep coming here and challenging everyone to smack you. Your own actions keep drawing focus away from the person who deserves the bad attention, namely Shilo.
I agree, enough about Studio Demo and her friggin boobs. Jeez.
Would love to hear from Shilo and her side of the story ... her not posting here yet (when we definitely know she reads here) makes it seem like she is guilty and just has nothing to say that would explain what she did.
Would love to hear from Shilo and her side of the story ... her not posting here yet (when we definitely know she reads here) makes it seem like she is guilty and just has nothing to say that would explain what she did.
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I agree 100%. I guess there really is just no way she can think of to rationalize what she has done. She can't think of a way to lie her way out of it, so she's just going to be quiet and hope it goes away. The problem is, I think it probably will just go away. She's still in her stores. If I were her store owner and found out she had done that, I'd drop her. It's not like she's some huge money maker. Not if she has to cheat someone out of their money, when it sounds like her share of the money couldn't have possibly amounted to more than $20.
I agree 100%. I guess there really is just no way she can think of to rationalize what she has done. She can't think of a way to lie her way out of it, so she's just going to be quiet and hope it goes away. The problem is, I think it probably will just go away. She's still in her stores. If I were her store owner and found out she had done that, I'd drop her. It's not like she's some huge money maker. Not if she has to cheat someone out of their money, when it sounds like her share of the money couldn't have possibly amounted to more than $20.
---------------------- I agree as well, if I was a store owner, I would be seriously concerned about this. It just shows the person's character, ripping off your collab partners is pretty sad.
So true. I am in one of the stores she sells in, and I'm genuinely shocked that she's still there. Knowing the store owner as I do, I would have expected her shop to have been disabled already. So, maybe there's more to this than we all know? (though I seriously doubt it).
This is a smack blog. People here will tear you apart. You might have realized that was going to happen to you if you'd looked at any single page in the archives before you'd posted.
----------- Talking about my boobs isn't "smacking" me. Lol.
The other side of the story which she told her store owners is basically that she "didn't check" to see if she sold any collabs so she didn't know that she owed us money...even though we had been asking for a while. I have a feeling she never would have "checked" if I didn't email the owners.
I got the screen shots and she is finally starting to pay the money. I'll get the rest in June. So this is probably why she hasn't been kicked out.
Love that you're still dishing all this info. Totally professional and classy ;)
May 24, 2011 5:04 PM
-------------------------------- wow, do you want some smack worthy shit or not? who cares if it's from the designer - hey at least that way we're getting it from the horse's mouth. Again - read post from earlier - you bitch because people can't reveal this kind of stuff at DST, then look down your long skinny nose at someone disapprovingly when they dish it here.
You read here, so that puts you in the same league as everyone else.
It's super hilarious to watch someone completely ruin their credibility/reputation/brand/etc. on this blog. So stupid, but I'm loving it. Pass the popcorn. Keep going, Alyssa... you're professional demise is A+ entertainment for the rest of us...
Love that you're still dishing all this info. Totally professional and classy ;)
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Thanks for your opinion Shilo. I'd respect you more if you apologized to her for stealing from her instead of smacking her for not just sitting quietly by while you did it.
wow, do you want some smack worthy shit or not? who cares if it's from the designer - hey at least that way we're getting it from the horse's mouth. Again - read post from earlier - you bitch because people can't reveal this kind of stuff at DST, then look down your long skinny nose at someone disapprovingly when they dish it here.
You read here, so that puts you in the same league as everyone else.
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On this blog we look down our long skinny 5 kid boobs disapprovingly. Not our noses.
It's super hilarious to watch someone completely ruin their credibility/reputation/brand/etc. on this blog. So stupid, but I'm loving it. Pass the popcorn. Keep going, Alyssa... you're professional demise is A+ entertainment for the rest of us... ------------ Didn't someone say earlier that I shouldn't look at this as my only "career". Well I'm not. :) so if I ruin my credibility/reputation/brand, there will always be something else! :) That's the good thing about being 1 semester away from graduating college! Either way, I'll always have customers. Glad I could entertain you. <3
Thanks for your opinion Shilo. I'd respect you more if you apologized to her for stealing from her instead of smacking her for not just sitting quietly by while you did it.
-------------- She didn't steal! She just "didn't check"...for the whole month the kit was in the store and being paid every week.
I wonder who else she owes money too. BZB? Queen of Hearts? Jen Yurko??? We'll never know.
Love that you're still dishing all this info. Totally professional and classy ;)
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Thanks for your opinion Shilo. I'd respect you more if you apologized to her for stealing from her instead of smacking her for not just sitting quietly by while you did it.
Didn't check. Yeah, because I would think it's possible to rely on my memory to pay partners out on invoices I may have seen come through. Especially if more than half my product was a collaboration with someone else. Makes sense right? And it is really really hard to check to see how many have sold. That could take possibly 10 mouse clicks and at least 1 minute. Who can be expected to go that kind of trouble in the name of integrity and honesty?
"Didn't check" is the lamest excuse I've ever heard. She stole, she lied and now she doesn't even have the cajones to own up to what she did, apologize and try to make it right.
You go into a collab trusting your collab partner but when things just don't add up and the partner basically brags about how much money s/he makes but has supposedly sold none of your collab, what do you do?
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Does Shilo really brag to other designers about how much money she makes? That's so weird!! Seriously, who does that?
Shilo here's a little hint for you, you can't brag about having piles of money, when really a large chunk of what you are getting paid actually belongs to someone else.
Didn't check. Yeah, because I would think it's possible to rely on my memory to pay partners out on invoices I may have seen come through. Especially if more than half my product was a collaboration with someone else. Makes sense right? And it is really really hard to check to see how many have sold. That could take possibly 10 mouse clicks and at least 1 minute. Who can be expected to go that kind of trouble in the name of integrity and honesty?
"Didn't check" is the lamest excuse I've ever heard. She stole, she lied and now she doesn't even have the cajones to own up to what she did, apologize and try to make it right.
---------- I know what you mean. I was being sarcastic. The fact that she has to wait until June to pay is proof enough that she was stealing. Instead of sending the money directly after the payout, she spent it. And she never had time to "check it" but she had time to make new kits AND upload them to Xcart. That = stealing.
Does Shilo really brag to other designers about how much money she makes? That's so weird!! Seriously, who does that?
Shilo here's a little hint for you, you can't brag about having piles of money, when really a large chunk of what you are getting paid actually belongs to someone else.
---------- That's how we knew to question the sales of the collab. You made $300 at one store for insd $80 at another store and NONE of them was our kit? Hmmmmm.
But she's slowly paying us for the kits sold. So I guess that makes it okay.
Again - read post from earlier - you bitch because people can't reveal this kind of stuff at DST, then look down your long skinny nose at someone disapprovingly when they dish it here. --------------
Truer words were never spoken. I guess some of the just like to bitch, no matter what.
hmmm. IRL I don't know anyone who brags about how much money they make. No matter how much you brag there will be someone who makes more than you. Your bragging will just make them gloat. And why would you want to brag and hurt the feeling of someone who makes less than you. Bragging about your money is just not a good thing to do.
For some reason I have a hard time imaging that what Shilo or what any average digi designer makes is worth bragging about.
But then this whole conversation screams unprofessional to me. The fact that there are designers not being upfront about the collab kits they sell. The fact that there are store owners not willing to get involved in making sure the finances on collabs are handled properly. The fact that a young designer finds the need to seek help on a smack blog, only to find people are more interested in her boobs than the fact that a designer was screwing her over a few measly collab sales.
Thanks for the laugh people. I totally feel like I'm back in high school. (Or was that junior high??)
I am just an average scrapper, not a designer. I am not active on any CT's, although I have been in the past. I am not active in any "scrapbook community", I don't post on the message boards, and I don't post my layouts online anymore. I read the Digi boards for entertainment, and am constantly amazed at what people share on the internet. I freely admit to reading the scrapbook smack blogs, it is a guilty pleasure.
You can email me at: DSTHallofFame@gmail.com
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«Oldest ‹Older 1401 – 1600 of 2036 Newer› Newest»Here's a thought. Go get a real job. You should be able to make $6 in half an hour - even if you have to ask someone if they want fries with that.
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Wow, if my McDonald's paid $12 an hour to take orders I would have worked there as a teenager instead of busting my ass waiting tables.
Here's a thought. Get over yourself. It is a real job and many designers make a lot more than they would at what you consider a "real" job.
Reading comprehension goes a long way. She said that's all she sent her. Not how much she is owed.
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No, that's NOT what she posted. She stated that:
So why is it that "said designer" has to wait to get paid from that store to send payments for the 3 invoices (which totals up to about $6 after the spilt) she sent me?
Apparently 'said designer' has not paid her the $6. Apparently 'said designer' has to wait to get paid herself. Said designer has only sent 'said victim' the invoices.
You seem to be the one who has reading comprehension difficulties.
Someone said it wasn't Shilo. That doesn't mean it was the op, or that she was telling the truth if it was the op.
There was a collab by Studio Demo, Bean Bunny and Shilo Designs at the end of April.
May 20, 2011 11:36 AM
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I would be shocked if it were the Shilo, Jen, Amy collab. Even though I question their affiliation with Shilo, Jen and Amy are a little more mature and have been around long enough to know how to handle this situation more professionally.
I can believe it would be Shilo in the Shilo, Bean Bunny, Studio Demo collab. All of those girls are young and extremely immature.
Studio Demo has her boobs hanging out in just about every photo she uses to advertise her "designs." Just check out her blog photo: http://thestudiodemo.blogspot.com/
She makes Paris Hilton look classy.
The logos are not alike in anyway. The shape is different. The colors are different. The only thing that is the same is the letters used in the logo but, we can not help that can we?? If she really had a problem with the logo, she could have told ME instead of complaining to other people. I would have happily changed it.
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If it is the Studio Demo, Bean Bunny and Shilo collab that would make this statement make sense. Studio Demo and Shilo Designs both use "SD" in their logo.
Branching from the "top tier" discussion - How in the WORLD did Alyssa Jones get into 9th & Bloom? I have not seen anything from her that would make me look twice!
Branching from the "top tier" discussion - How in the WORLD did Alyssa Jones get into 9th & Bloom? I have not seen anything from her that would make me look twice!
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It's not for everyone ;) She obviously has sales or else she wouldn't be kept around and that goes into the whole variety of the store.
Studio Demo is a piece of work. I wouldn't want my business associated with her in any way.
I do think she is 'miss anonymous' based on how she talks here. Especially when she said 'you have no idea who you are dealing with.' I've seen her behave that way elsewhere.
Which means that the other designer is probably Shilo, because Bean Bunny has kids, and also Bean Bunny and Studio Demo are really tight.
Apparently 'said designer' has not paid her the $6. Apparently 'said designer' has to wait to get paid herself. Said designer has only sent 'said victim' the invoices.
You seem to be the one who has reading comprehension difficulties
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How is it that I'm the one with reading comprehension difficulties when everyone else understands what's going on?
The designer only sent her $6 for the invoices she received. Miss anonymous is upset because doesn't know what's owed to her from the invoices she DIDN't receive not because of the $6.
I do think she is 'miss anonymous' based on how she talks here. Especially when she said 'you have no idea who you are dealing with.' I've seen her behave that way elsewhere.
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Miss anonymous wasn't the one who said that. It was "said friend". So you either think Studio Demo is miss anonymous or you think she said "you have no idea who you are dealing with". It can't be both.
Studio Demo is a piece of work. I wouldn't want my business associated with her in any way.
I do think she is 'miss anonymous' based on how she talks here. Especially when she said 'you have no idea who you are dealing with.' I've seen her behave that way elsewhere.
Which means that the other designer is probably Shilo, because Bean Bunny has kids, and also Bean Bunny and Studio Demo are really tight.
May 21, 2011 12:25 PM
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I can definitely see this being the case. If the complaining designer is Studio Demo it would also make sense that she would say whoever guessed that first was wrong.
Adding in what little I know from other designers behind the scenes I'd say that's dead on actually.
I also think it's Studio Demo. I think that she knows Shilo reads this blog. So she thought if she said just enough to scare Shilo, she'd get what she wanted. I don't think she ever intended to actually reveal who she was talking about.
It also explains why the store owner would confirm that she was owed more money but then just ask her to keep it quiet. It is because the store owner is Miss Tiina, who we all know is super shady anyway.
I also noticed that on Studio Demo's blog, she uses a little symbol as part of her blog dividers that is a shiny rectangular "SD" and I'm guessing that logo is what irked Shilo.
I would be shocked if it were the Shilo, Jen, Amy collab. Even though I question their affiliation with Shilo, Jen and Amy are a little more mature and have been around long enough to know how to handle this situation more professionally.
I can believe it would be Shilo in the Shilo, Bean Bunny, Studio Demo collab. All of those girls are young and extremely immature.
Studio Demo has her boobs hanging out in just about every photo she uses to advertise her "designs." Just check out her blog photo: http://thestudiodemo.blogspot.com/
She makes Paris Hilton look classy.
May 21, 2011 9:58 AM
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I can't say much about the others but I agree about Amy. She's a sweetheart and wouldn't even have this problem I'm sure but would have handled it differently.
As far as the photo goes that Studio Demo has up I wouldn't hold that against her. She looks young, late teens or early twenties I'm guessing. I can't say I wasn't wearing similar clothing at that age. I didn't have a blog then but I put pictures like that on myspace/facebook. 12 year olds are dressing like that and posting them on the internet, it's the times we're in or something. Hopefully it will pass.
The designer only sent her $6 for the invoices she received. Miss anonymous is upset because doesn't know what's owed to her from the invoices she DIDN't receive not because of the $6.
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First off, she never received the $6 from those invoices. Re-read her post.
Does the $6 really matter that much to YOU to keep coming back and arguing with someone else about what was said/not said or paid to the designer/not paid?
I took it as she was given 3 invoices total and after splitting that she should have gotten $6. She wasn't paid the $6 and believed it sold more than that anyway so she contacted the store owner. Store owner confirmed that kit sold more than 3 times so she should be getting paid more than $6 when the time comes for her to be paid.
Studio Demo is also on Shilo's CT and that was also mentioned.
So if that's true, that would make Shilo the OP and make it pretty funny that everyone was guessing here out of all the designers in the world. Lie with dogs / get fleas.
http://www.mymemories.com
What a bizarre collection of designers
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/scrap-talk-65/ethics-question-278129/
Here's an idea...if it's that controversial or offensive....just don't post it. I guess she'll miss comments, though, if she does that.
I don't know Bean Bunny or Studio Demo but I do think it was Studio Demo who posted about the collab. Reading her posts on her blog, she consistently puts a comma after the word 'but'.
http://www.mymemories.com
What a bizarre collection of designers
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That list gets longer every time I happen to stumble onto that store.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/scrap-talk-65/ethics-question-278129/
Here's an idea...if it's that controversial or offensive....just don't post it. I guess she'll miss comments, though, if she does that.
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If you had bothered to look at her gallery, you would know she doesn't get a lot of comments, so it's not the comments that keep her sharing her LOs. Maybe she really wanted to know, did you think of that?
Shilo is the one stealing.....
So if that's true, that would make Shilo the OP and make it pretty funny that everyone was guessing here out of all the designers in the world
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Not really. Most designers have kids and the OP was clear that the designer involved had no kids. It wasn't exactly rocket science to narrow the list down.
So yes. It is Shilo who is stealing from her collab designers and I strongly advise anyone who has a collab with her to email her and her store owners for reports on the sales of their collabs.
I didn't want to "out" her just in case this whole thing was a misunderstanding but, I just got information that this is NOT a misunderstanding.
She told the other designer and I that she emailed both store owners and gave them permission to send us reports. When I emailed them this morning, I cc'ed Shilo and they both came back to me clueless about what I'm talking about. Another thing she has lied about.
I really have no reason to lie at all since I'm not the one that has anything to hide. I sent her screen shots of my reports that match up to the payments I've sent her.
The fact that she is so hesitant to send out reports just goes to show me even more that she has something to hide and is still not planning to give us honest payments.
At this point, I don't even want the money. I'm just really fed up with the whole situation and her lies about everything...about her checking. About her only selling 3 kits. About her emailing store owners for permission when she didn't. Its just super annoying and I want it to be over and done with. This is too much to go through at hands of someone I trusted to do a collab with.
If she's really that desperate for the money that she had to lie and steal from us and probably every other collab partner, she can keep it.
And if the way I handled this situation makes me look bad, I can deal with that. I was only trying to get what's owed to me for the sake of my family. If I didn't have a family to feed I wouldn't have messed with this situation in the first place!
P.s. I understand that this is a smack blog but, I really don't appreciate the things said here about me like "being a piece of work" and being judged by having my "tits out" in "every" picture when its really only that one on my blog. I've only had conversations with a few designers and I rarely post at public blogs so chances are pretty high that you have no idea what you're talking about when talking about. If you really have a problem with something I've done or said please let me know since I'm a very new and young designer. I'm still learning the business. I'm a very understanding person and would appreciate the advice more if it didn't come from "anonymous".
-studio demo
Since you asked for advice, I have some for you. (Sorry, but I prefer to remain anonymous here.) It's admirable that you wanted to warn other designers about someone who is stealing through collabs. I'm not sure that this is the appropriate place to do that. But then, I don't know that there is an appropriate place for it.
I think perhaps I would have emailed all of Shilo's store owners to explain the situation and ask for help. And then I would have emailed the other designers she has collabed with and ask them to do the same. If you are all asking her store owners to look into a problem, they are more likely to see that there is a potential for a problem, and check it out. Personally, I would have done all I could to handle the matter without putting myself out to be torn apart on the smack blog. I think protecting your reputation is important.
The thing that struck me as odd was the fact that you gave hints about who it was and then encouraged everyone to guess. If you are going to tell anyway, why not just make a statement and put it out there with a little less drama.
As for your photo on your blog, you look fine in my opinion. I actually think you look young and cute. Cleavage isn't the same thing as having your "boobs hang out." I thought that was a pretty rude and uncalled for statement. Besides, not every designer has to be a 30 something mom of 3.
At this point, I think you should ask the store owners to remove your collabs with Shilo from their stores and remove them from yours as well. Wipe the slate clean and move on.
Thanks. I just didn't want to say her name because it could have been a misunderstanding. This is also the reason I didn't email the other designers. I didn't want to paint a negative image of her if it wasn't true.
If people want to look at me in a negative way because of this, they can. Its their right. As long as I'm not labeled as a thief I'm cool! I'm a designer that is getting better and better as time goes on and I'm loyal to my fans. That's all that really matters to me.
http://www.mymemories.com
What a bizarre collection of designers
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That list gets longer every time I happen to stumble onto that store.
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I think it's because the store is actually a software company. I heard from a few people that bought kits from there that the files weren't named, no TOU, etc. The scrappers were a bit perplexed. One of the administrators responded that the kits were set up that way so they could work better in their software - after buying you can click it into the software (mymemories) but now I see that there is a TOU on every page - generic and the same one for every designer.
None of the previews on the site don't have the designer names on them. I don't think that's a good idea. Pirates would love that.
Studio Demo - you don't communicate well. You get emotional and you rush through things and it appears you don't think them through (probably because you are emotional.) This shows in how many stores you went through, in your previous incarnation as Paper Planes and now as Studio Demo.
Clearly you act before you stop and reflect on things. That's a sign of your immaturity. How you handled this issue by coming here and encouraging people to guess who the designer was, is just another sign of your immaturity.
I'm 20 years old. Obviously I'm going to be more immature than the average designer. And yes, anyone will get emotional if someone was stealing from them. At least I would hope so.
I haven't even been in a lot of stores so I really have no idea wjat you're talking about.
being 20 has nothing to do with maturity. its in your attitude and the way you handled this situation - its high school - looking to cause trouble. if you wanted to point out what was going on, then you shouldn't have posted it all the way you did . . . if at all. looking for sympathy at a smak blog isn't a good idea. for all we know, you aren't even Studio Demo - you have as yet to SIGN IN to prove it. still just miss anonymous.
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Definitely Studio Demo. The whole comma after a but proves it. It's grammatically incorrect and she does it consistently, here and on her blog.
How many stores have you been in?
I like Studio Demos Boobs on her blog. They look like a nice pair.
They are just kinda hanging out there. Good thing I saw the scrap kits, didn't know what you were selling at first.
It's the first time I hear about "Studio demo" (but I've heard the name Paper planes before), but I want to say I'm glad she posted that story here. Where else can we learn about it otherwise? At DST? No way! And even if she had emailed all the store owners and they had kicked out Shilo from their store, what would have happened? Someone someday would have said "Hey, why is Shilo gone from stores X, Y and Z?" And that's it... no real answer about what happened...
Shilo would have reappeared in another store with no consequence. I'm so tired of all the little drama that goes on behind closed doors.
So, thank you Studio Demo.
BTW, English is no my first language so don't bother telling me my grammar sucks ;)
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You're doing better than some native English speakers.
I'm glad to read the truth about Shilo, too. People have had some negative opinions about Shilo on this blog for a while, and I didn't understand why ... maybe now I do.
I still think Studio Demo's blog photo makes her look trashy. Its not just the boobs - look at how short her skirt is. She clearly has no idea what the word 'professional' means.
I don't care that she's young and cute, that kind of photo should be on her personal blog, not here business blog.
And what was up with the name change?
I don't think there is anything wrong with her photo either.
Her boobs aren't all hanging out but God forbid someone have a little cleavage and show it. I've seen more boob on blogs from very well known established designers and no one said anything then. Her skirt isn't that short either, you know when you sit down they tend to go up further.
Plus known of that has anything to do with her designing or the situation she has been put in.
People handle situations differently because we have different personalities and emotions that come through in different ways. It may not be how you would have handled it but she may not agree with how you would have.
I for one am just glad to find out before I put my money into Shilo's pocket.
Sorry should have been "Plus NONE of that.."
tit tayyyyyyyyyyyssssssss
come on Shilo, we know you read here, what's your side?
I think Studio Demo was fine in coming here. People come in with rumors, allegations, suspicions here all the time. She couldn't post anonymously over at DST and was looking to get advice without getting anyone into trouble. It wasn't her that started the guessing game. It was Anonymous posters here. From what I can tell it looks like she was doing her best to deflect attention from Shilo by saying it wasn't her. But eventually it came to the point where it was so completely obvious that it was Shilo that she was speaking about - it had to come out.
As far as Paper Planes/Studio Demo store-hopping - really? She started at one store last year, and then went exclusive - then the store closed so she had to move again. Yes she's in a couple stores now - but that's not store hopping.
It is ridiculous to say "I'm not going to tell you unless you guess." First of all, either say or don't say. Secondly, don't say "no it's not her" when her name is guessed and then come back later and say "okay yes - it was her". The whole song and dance cast a shadow on the original problem.
And finally the reason some people steer clear of Shilo comes out...
Wasn't it Shilo that came here and pasted all of the convo from her private forum at DSB a little while ago? And now this? Not cool Shilo. If I was your store owner, I'd close your store. You are proving yourself to be seriously untrustworthy and unethical.
It is ridiculous to say "I'm not going to tell you unless you guess." First of all, either say or don't say. Secondly, don't say "no it's not her" when her name is guessed and then come back later and say "okay yes - it was her". The whole song and dance cast a shadow on the original problem.
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I never said that I'll tell if they guessed. I said it would be different if they guessed. I said no it wasn't her because I was still unsure if it was a misunderstanding and I didn't want people to talk negatively about her if it was. It was just me making the most out of the phrase "innocent until proven guilty". (This and out of respect for the store owner) But, she was indeed found guilty...at which point I came back and revealed who it was.
Just because you didn't get the answer WHEN you wanted it and HOW you wanted it doesn't make the way things unfolded ridiculous.
-SD
SD - clearly you felt wronged, probably justifiably so. I don't mind that you brought it here to be aired since this is probably the only place that the actual details of the situation would have been allowed to be posted. Certainly not at DST.
Having said that I do hope you are pursuing other avenues of income besides designing. NOT because you're a bad designer. I actually have no idea how well you design, all I know is that you were shown 3 invoices with a total income to you of $6. Even if Shilo has withheld money, I somehow doubt it would be in the hundreds. I could be wrong.
My point is this. You're young and bright. Go to college, get some marketable skills so you can find a job that actually pays you a decent income. You can always do this as a second job or hobby. Because the real truth is that the great majority of designers don't make a lot of money. Of course, the big names in the large stores probably do pull in a thousand or more a month, but most don't. So for a career, you need to ask yourself if you can live on a few hundred bucks a month or less?
Your picture was fine for a personal blog or even a designing one. Designing is supposed to 'artsy' + 'professional' not 'prudish'. BUT, if you were applying for a job in the real world (as opposed to digi virtual) and you showed up for an interview in that top and skirt, you might hurt your chances for employment. At least in the lower 48. Island etiquette might very well be different of course.
Just my 2cents. Now all the SAHMs can slam me.
I'm in school. :) Almost done
That's good to know :)
I'll be honest, I don't like seeing images of the designer on their promo at all ... Royanna does it to an excess, and there are a couple other designers who do it. Your blog has a huge header image that shows just you, boobs and all. I have to scroll down to actually see any kits - which means the first impression you give - by choice - is 'I'm pretty and have a good body' which is totally irrelevant to your designs.
I don't care what you wear, and I don't think you need to change your wardrobe to put a photo on your blog. I think that you intentionally chose an angle that accentuated your boobs and short skirt. You took the photo from an 'up' angle, so it was pointing down your shirt. I am not a prude, but it doesn't just accentuate your boobs, it also accentuates your immaturity. I'm clearly not the only one who feels that way because other people said the same thing.
Your awful grammar, your sexualized image to sell digital scrapbook designs, and the way you handled this situation here (and in my opinion, telling people you will confirm the designer if the guess, is as good as saying 'start guessing' so yes you did encourage it) all reflect your immaturity.
I don't log in with my blog because I didn't come here and open myself up for attack and then ask for advice.
bazinga!
My point is this. You're young and bright. Go to college, get some marketable skills so you can find a job that actually pays you a decent income. You can always do this as a second job or hobby. Because the real truth is that the great majority of designers don't make a lot of money. Of course, the big names in the large stores probably do pull in a thousand or more a month, but most don't. So for a career, you need to ask yourself if you can live on a few hundred bucks a month or less?
Your picture was fine for a personal blog or even a designing one. Designing is supposed to 'artsy' + 'professional' not 'prudish'. BUT, if you were applying for a job in the real world (as opposed to digi virtual) and you showed up for an interview in that top and skirt, you might hurt your chances for employment. At least in the lower 48. Island etiquette might very well be different of course.
Just my 2cents. Now all the SAHMs can slam me.
May 22, 2011 12:03 PM
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No slamming from me. I completely agree and I do stay home and design but I do it because I'm able to. I can make nothing and it doesn't matter. Anyone who is young though or even older and still able to get an education and have an actual career should take full advantage. Someone who starts designing digital scrapbook kits in their 20s thinking its a career for them is being naive. In 30 years will they still want to design scrapbook kits? 40, 50 years? Doubtful. This isn't an industry I'd be willing to commit to for that long anyway.
Glad you are in school so you will have other options.
what a bunch of hypocritical hags, you complain that there's nothing smack worthy and then when someone brings something to the table you slam them. You get on your high horse about it not being the right thing to do, but then bitch that people don't get "outed" at DST for their wrongdoings. Can't have it both ways you fugly biatches.
LMAO@fugly biatches
I haven't heard that since I was 16. That's great.
I do agree with you though. Why don't you all stop slamming the person who came out and let us know about Shilo doing wrong and I don't know... slam Shilo?
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Because this is a smack blog and anyone who is dumb enough to come out here is likely to get smacked? Besides she asked for it by playing stupid drama games.
I want to know if Shilo's store owners are going to drop her. I wouldn't want to have someone in my store who pulls that kind of crap.
yeah, that's pretty low - screwing your collab partners. But I don't agree that the store should have to provide invoices to any designers not in their store - as someone mentioned, their contract is with their designer. That doesn't mean it's right, but why should store owners have to babysit this? It would probably end up where collabs are not allowed in the store, which in my opinion wouldn't be a bad thing. I haven't really noticed too many collabs that are actually one I would buy.
But I too am curious as to where Shilo is and why she hasn't come here with her side of the story when she has recently posted herself.
Not a very good impression to leave us all with ...
I agree, I think Shilo needs to give her side of the story. She's looking pretty bad right now. But maybe her silence means there isn't anything she can legitimately say to defend herself.
I did notice that the collabs are removed from Shilo's store. But they are still up in Studio Demo's stores. Seems like she would have removed them by now, since she is so anxious to be done with Shilo.
I really want to comment on this thread at DST ( http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/scrap-talk-65/comment-not-comment-277932/ ) but there's no way for me to do so there without really publicly pissing someone off. So I'll voice my thoughts here.
Stef doesn't even BUY products which she has mentioned over and over and over again. Not sure who she is trying to impress with her vast knowledge but she sure doesn't impress me. My point is why does she care what a designer's products look like or whether they are perfect or not if she doesn't even buy? And why would she need to take a class or read a tutorial when she obviously knows every fucking thing there is to know?
Studio Demo is a hotttieee and I think she looks fab with her legs hangin out in that mini oh and the boobs! Shit if I was 20 all over again that would so be me!! LOL
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Sigh.
And why would she need to take a class or read a tutorial when she obviously knows every fucking thing there is to know?
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You think that, do you? She never claims to know everything, so I'm not sure why you think she does. She worked as a professional illustrator for years, so yes, she doe have knowledge. So sorry you have a bug up your butt about it, but I'm sure you've come across people in your life who do know more about something than you do. Deal with it.
I really want to comment on this thread at DST ( http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/scrap-talk-65/comment-not-comment-277932/ ) but there's no way for me to do so there without really publicly pissing someone off. So I'll voice my thoughts here.
Stef doesn't even BUY products which she has mentioned over and over and over again. Not sure who she is trying to impress with her vast knowledge but she sure doesn't impress me. My point is why does she care what a designer's products look like or whether they are perfect or not if she doesn't even buy? And why would she need to take a class or read a tutorial when she obviously knows every fucking thing there is to know?
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quite honestly, she gets under my skin too. The air of superiority, the almost preachy posts. You're sure to see a post from her during NSD & DSD reminding everyone to remember what this hobby is all about, it's about scrapping, not shopping. STFU you judgemental bitch, I scrap every fucking weekend - and for me, on those 2 particular weekends, it's all about the shopping. Sheesh. It wouldn't hurt her to buy a few things. Maybe her crappy pages would look a little better.
Actually I agree that she comes off sounding like a know-it-all on that thread.
Shilo sounds like a real piece of work and after she came here and outed the DSB private forum and now this she needs to be pushed out of all the stores shes in. If I recall I think the blame was placed on another designer and she was the one who really started that whole DSB fiaso..
I've never heard of Studio Demo and honestly I'd never buy from her, not the quality of work I'm into but I am sorry that this other chic decided to steal from her. The store owners really need to be sent this information.
Actually I agree that she comes off sounding like a know-it-all on that thread.
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That's because you have the mentality of a 10 year old. Who, as an adult, says 'know it all' or even thinks that about someone else?
quite honestly, she gets under my skin too. The air of superiority, the almost preachy posts. You're sure to see a post from her during NSD & DSD reminding everyone to remember what this hobby is all about, it's about scrapping, not shopping. STFU you judgemental bitch, I scrap every fucking weekend - and for me, on those 2 particular weekends, it's all about the shopping. Sheesh. It wouldn't hurt her to buy a few things. Maybe her crappy pages would look a little better.
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You make me laugh. Her pages are just fine. I feel sorry for you that you need to use work created by someone else. Can't you make a page without using a kit?
Steph is scrapping simply in a different way most scrappers do. So what? People complain when things get too commercial, with sales, ads and such, then, people complain when someone is looking exactly at the other side of the hobby. I guess, you (general you, complaining all the time) will never be happy.
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I would also like to know where the third designer in all this is? I'm sure she has something to say about it. Where does she even sell? I've never heard of her untill now.
You make me laugh. Her pages are just fine. I feel sorry for you that you need to use work created by someone else. Can't you make a page without using a kit?
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of course moron, who couldn't? but would I like the end result as much if I had bought a kit from a store? probably not.
try to have a good day Steph.
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You are the moron if you think that was Steph posting. You should stop posting, you look more idiotic every time you do.
I tend to agree, although I don't like her style at all (Stef), she shouldn't be so condescending to others who choose to buy kits. I would not want my pages to look like hers.
That's because you have the mentality of a 10 year old. Who, as an adult, says 'know it all' or even thinks that about someone else?
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No the OP, but lots of women talk like that. That expression has nothing to do with someone's maturity level. No one needs you to preach to the rest of us on a smack blog.
Obviously there are people who like her and people who don't.
of course moron, who couldn't? but would I like the end result as much if I had bought a kit from a store? probably not.
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Of course you wouldn't, because that would mean relying on your talent alone, which you clearly don't have, so you have to belittle others who do.
No the OP, but lots of women talk like that. That expression has nothing to do with someone's maturity level. No one needs you to preach to the rest of us on a smack blog.
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And no one needs you to tell others what to do now, do they?
I don't know any women who talk like that, thank goodness.
she shouldn't be so condescending to others who choose to buy kits. I
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I don't see her as condescending. It's all a matter of interpretation, isn't it?
I don't know any women who talk like that, thank goodness.
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Then you don't get around much.
I work with lots of people from different age brackets and throughout the years I've heard various women use that expression.
I think her layouts are ugly but that's my opinion, if she's happy with them then that's all that really matters. I wouldn't send her a PM to tell her I don't like the way she scraps and I would hope that she never sends me one telling me she doesn't like the way I did something on my layout.
Real mistakes like a typo and I'd appreciate it but that's it.
Then you don't get around much.
I work with lots of people from different age brackets and throughout the years I've heard various women use that expression.
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I do get around actually.
I just looked at her gallery and her layouts without kits are not something I'm interested in.
I think ones like these http://www.weedsandwildflowersdesign.com/everydaylife/ are gorgeous. There are only a few items from kits and for the most part it's things that anyone with a little knowledge could make.
I guess it's all just a matter of preference.
I think her layouts are ugly but that's my opinion, if she's happy with them then that's all that really matters. I wouldn't send her a PM to tell her I don't like the way she scraps and I would hope that she never sends me one telling me she doesn't like the way I did something on my layout.
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But that's not what she's talking about. The fact that some of you think that's what she's talking about, is both amusing and disturbing.
I think ones like these http://www.weedsandwildflowersdesign.com/everydaylife/ are gorgeous
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They are nice, but I wouldn't call them gorgeous.
Most scrapbooking layouts are subject to personal preferences. There are many styles. Some will love the tiny, barely visible photos in a minimal layout, others prefer to see the pictures. Some will like to showcase the kits and use the photo to emphasise the elements, while others will use the kits to showcase the photos. Who is right? Who is wrong? Which layouts are considered "nice"? Which ones are considered "ugly"? Your call!
Actually I agree that she comes off sounding like a know-it-all on that thread.
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That's because you have the mentality of a 10 year old. Who, as an adult, says 'know it all' or even thinks that about someone else?
May 22, 2011 7:18 PM
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Well right now I'm thinking it about you. So I guess a lot of us think that way.
You know, if I were Stef, I'd be embarassed that you were here defending me by acting like a rabid dog. Why are you so up her ass? Being called a know-it-all isn't really that big of a deal in the scheme of things.
You are actually making Stef look way worse than any of the people saying things against her because now, not only do I think she's a know-it-all, I think she associates with assholes.
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Why do you have to talk like that? Does it make you feel better about yourself?
Honestly, I'd rather be an asshole, than be you.
Stef's scrapping doesn't bother me. It's the way she portrays herself. She comes across as someone who knows all there is to know about design. She hangs out at a site that is essentially about digiscrap SHOPPING but bitches about people who use kits.
For someone that portrays herself as the expert of everything here's a layout that shows she's not perfect.
She forgot an apostrophe in doesn't.
Whoops.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1320819&title=she-doesn-27t-know-she-27s&cat=all
Why do you have to talk like that? Does it make you feel better about yourself?
Honestly, I'd rather be an asshole, than be you.
May 22, 2011 9:21 PM
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Oh does that word bother you? Let's make a deal, I'll promise not to say it and you promise not to BE it. :)
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No, it doesn't bother me in the least. If you can stop being a nasty skank, I'll stop being an asshole, deal?
She hangs out at a site that is essentially about digiscrap SHOPPING but bitches about people who use kits.
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It is? News to me. And I've never seen her bitch about people using kits.
Wow. This conversation has degraded quite a bit. It is interesting that it seems all of the posts defending Stef are by the same person (same style of typing). I do not have an opinion about Stef either way. I do agree with the person that said the defender is making Stef look worse.
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But maybe that's the intention?
I do agree with the person that said the defender is making Stef look worse.
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Judging anyone by an anon poster on this blog is just wrong.
I'll be honest, I don't like seeing images of the designer on their promo at all ... Royanna does it to an excess, and there are a couple other designers who do it. Your blog has a huge header image that shows just you, boobs and all. I have to scroll down to actually see any kits - which means the first impression you give - by choice - is 'I'm pretty and have a good body' which is totally irrelevant to your designs.
I don't care what you wear, and I don't think you need to change your wardrobe to put a photo on your blog. I think that you intentionally chose an angle that accentuated your boobs and short skirt. You took the photo from an 'up' angle, so it was pointing down your shirt. I am not a prude, but it doesn't just accentuate your boobs, it also accentuates your immaturity. I'm clearly not the only one who feels that way because other people said the same thing.
Your awful grammar, your sexualized image to sell digital scrapbook designs, and the way you handled this situation here (and in my opinion, telling people you will confirm the designer if the guess, is as good as saying 'start guessing' so yes you did encourage it) all reflect your immaturity.
I don't log in with my blog because I didn't come here and open myself up for attack and then ask for advice.
May 22, 2011 2:30 PM
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OMG! Seriously! 'sexualized image' ROFL Get over yourself! You must have saggy boobs after having a couple of kids so you wish you had her body.
Judging anyone by an anon poster on this blog is just wrong.
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I'm confused, who was she judging?
I think Stef comes across as looking down on people who use kits. She often says things like 'why would you want buttons on your scrapbook page?" (no that's not a direct quote, it's the jist of her comments.) To me, it's like going to a cloth diapering site and sneering at everyone for not using disposables. Why does she hang out there? Seems like she does it to take every opportunity to tell scrappers how much she disdains digital kits.
I think her pages are beyond boring.
As far as I was aware, DST was about digital scrapping, not digital scrap kit buying. Look at how many of you are looking down on Stef because she doesn't use kits, how does that make you any better? Put simply, it doesn't. You are doing exactly what you are accusing her of doing. It's a bit hypocritical, don't you think?
I was curious and just looked through several pages of her posts at DST. I don't see anything that makes her seem like she looks down on others or anything complaining about people using kits. If anyone can find an example I'd like to see it. I had no idea who she was until it came up here.
I did see this post "I'm a bit of a purist, and I create each of my layouts individually. So, all of the backgrounds, extractions & 'stuff' are unique to each page. So, it goes against my grain to create generic, or even specific designs for others. I just can't imagine myself creating the kinds of things people actually want to buy... pp? Nah! Ribbons & flowers? No way! Fantasy art? Not my style! So, I don't know what I'd do. I'm not willing to conform to what people seem to be buying, and I don't think many people would buy what appeals to me!" replying to why she doesn't design. Here she admits that her stuff is out of the norm but I don't feel like she's talking down on those that use those things.
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Me neither.
Because this is a smack blog and anyone who is dumb enough to come out here is likely to get smacked? Besides she asked for it by playing stupid drama games.
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Why do I have to be "dumb"? At first, I was thinking...maybe I should listen to these women. They may know more than. Then I kept reading and realized that all of you nothing but people that hide behind anonymity because you would never be able to say any of this directly to the person being "smacked". Therefore, making your opinion quite irrelevant...to me at least.
It's quite funny too that you find my picture on my blog more important than what Shilo has done. If MY picture on MY blog bothers you that much...don't look at it! Simple. The fact that you have to pick apart what I look like just shows insecurities within yourself and that's on you.
Your awful grammar, your sexualized image to sell digital scrapbook designs, and the way you handled this situation here (and in my opinion, telling people you will confirm the designer if the guess, is as good as saying 'start guessing' so yes you did encourage it) all reflect your immaturity.
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I did notice that the collabs are removed from Shilo's store. But they are still up in Studio Demo's stores. Seems like she would have removed them by now, since she is so anxious to be done with Shilo.
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I haven't had a chance to log into my stores. I'm posting from my phone. Jeesh you people love to ASSume.
The store owners really need to be sent this information.
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The store owners already know. The only one that seems to care is Tina. Loreta doesn't seem to mind having a thief in her store.
If you got accepted to 9&B, SO & SM, which would you choose?
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If you got accepted to 9&B, SO & SM, which would you choose?
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That's tough. I don't know anything about what goes on behind the scenes at either so I would probably like to know more about that before making a decision... probably ask designers from each if I knew any well enough.
Probably 9&B, possibly SM.
If you got accepted to 9&B, SO & SM, which would you choose?
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I wouldn't have applied to any of them, but I would go with SO. At least they have staying power.
Demo- good for you for sticking up for yourself but quit while you're ahead. You aren't making things better by coming here and posting under your own name.
Demo- good for you for sticking up for yourself but quit while you're ahead. You aren't making things better by coming here and posting under your own name.
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Thanks for the advice however, if I have something to say I will say it under my name as I'd rather not hide behind anonymity especially if I am defending myself.
My guess is that they are not used to having someone talk back to them.
About DST:
It's DigiSHOPtalk, not DigiSCRAPtalk, so yes, shopping is something forum users are interested in.
About Stef:
I don't like her LOs, they are so different from what got me into scrapbooking in the fist place. I look at them and it's like being back in 1995! Or it's like someone who just got Office and plays with PowerPoint!
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Exactly how I feel. The people that have responded saying they don't see any posts where she seems to know it all just haven't dug deep enough and I don't expect them to. I am just saying what I have seen for the past couple of years. Like the time she critiqued the shadow box a designer made (and asked for cc) in another forum, Stef critiqued and went overboard. She came across as a know-it-all and that's when I first noticed her attitude. If she would tone the attitude down she probably wouldn't get under my skin.
LOL "the only one who cares is Tina". Would you like a side of irony with that?
Seems like some that come here have a bug up their proverbial butts to trash one person or another. I don't ever remember seeing Steph's name come up here before which leads me to believe that the original poster is the one with the bug. Then others just follow. Why can't someone be a know-it-all as they may really just know more then you do. I listen to others as I might learn something I didn't know and if there isn't anything new to learn I just keep my mouth shut. Those who post anon here are acting more like the know it alls then the know it alls!!!
oops forgot to add that I'm anon and I know it all too.
Thanks for the advice however, if I have something to say I will say it under my name as I'd rather not hide behind anonymity especially if I am defending myself.
May 23, 2011 5:08 AM
That's fine in the real world, but in this industry, it could be as good as burying yourself.
If you got accepted to 9&B, SO & SM, which would you choose?
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It depends on your style of design. If you fit the SM mold, you'll probably do well there, but if not, then I'd go with one of the others.
WTH is Shilo? She was so quick to jump in and declare her innocence on the DSB forum information sharing allegation. So we know she reads this blog.
I guess this means you have nothing to say in your defense Shilo? How about an apology to Studio Demo for stealing from her?
I guarantee we'll never hear from Shilo about it. She'll probably quietly close up all her shops (unless the owners do it for her), and then start designing under another name ;)
I guarantee we'll never hear from Shilo about it. She'll probably quietly close up all her shops (unless the owners do it for her), and then start designing under another name ;)
May 23, 2011 9:42 AM
Or disappear for a year again like she did the last time. Already her blog hasn't been updated in months.
If you got accepted to 9&B, SO & SM, which would you choose?
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9&B. I like them more. Just read on facebook that Jennifer Fox is leaving there though. Wonder why?
DeCrow is leaving SO too. Must be in the water.
That's fine in the real world, but in this industry, it could be as good as burying yourself.
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This industry has way too many "standards" from what I'm seeing so much so that you all have resorted to being anonymous people instead of using your freedom of speech rights which is kind of sad.
Your work should be based on your work and how you treat your customers and fans not on what smack you talk on a SMACK blog. If you're so worrirf about what people may think of you because you post here, why post at all. Its almost like you're scared of being yourself.
Posting here is obviously something you do in you spare time and for fun. Why should I should I stop posting here under my name when I'm not even trash talking someone...I'm only defending myself.
If defending myself is going to make people stop buying from me or look at me in a negative way ("bury" me), oh well. I don't need their money. Because what I do in my spare time should not matter if my work is good...and I treat my fans and peers with respect. I'd rather people stop buying from me for being myself rather than get sales from people who would stop following me if they found out I posted here.
That's how I see it.
If you got accepted to 9&B, SO & SM, which would you choose?
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I'd go with SO. I don't visit any of them regularly, but SO's forum seems more active than the others and they seem to have more events to draw people in. And just my personal opinion, I see them as a higher tier store than the other two.
If you got accepted to 9&B, SO & SM, which would you choose?
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From what I know about all three, for the best customer base, sales, and site management, I'd choose SO hands down. If I were you, I'd ask for a guest spot with all three and see how it goes, then make your decision based on that. I love my current store and I'm not leaving. But if I were I'd never move to a new store without asking for a guest spot first.
Do you believe in "once a pirate, always a pirate"? or do you think that "once a pirate can change"?
I saw a member of DST who is starting to design, is looking for a store, but she has been pirating kits in a closed group. I have proofs from a couple of years ago.
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Who?
Do you believe in "once a pirate, always a pirate"? or do you think that "once a pirate can change"?
I saw a member of DST who is starting to design, is looking for a store, but she has been pirating kits in a closed group. I have proofs from a couple of years ago.
May 23, 2011 12:34 PM
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In most cases I'd say yes. I have met people who genuinely had no idea that digiscrap kits costs money because people just kept sharing them on a forum like they were free. Once they learned they weren't they went and bought every kit they had downloaded for free. Very rare that someone will do that though.
To clarify I meant Yes to once a pirate always a pirate. My brain blocked out the second question for some reason.
To the person asking who this "designer" is, I can say she is not someone who was mentioned here yet. She tried joining stores (20 or so) but was let go from almost all of them once the owners were given proof that she was sharing kits. Then, she only concentrated on CTing for a couple of years (yeah, another open door for pirating though!). Now, she created a kit and is looking for stores to "host" it.
I have no clue who it is - and just checked at DST to see if I could figure it out ... by any chance would be able to share initials? :)
Do you believe in "once a pirate, always a pirate"? or do you think that "once a pirate can change"?
People who make innocent mistakes can change and be forgiven but most know exactly what they are doing when they share, or copy or steal.
Would the person back to designing start with the initials RF??
I will disclose the name in time. I am just wondering if a store owner would take seriously, a claim that this "new designer" WAS a proven pirate or just ignore it and give her the benefit of the doubt. So, should I bother to inform any store owner where she would start selling? She was not sharing "accidentally" so it was never "an honest mistake".
If you check in the calls section, you probably will find her anyways. But I don't want to play guessing games at this point. If you do, that is up to you.
Seems like some that come here have a bug up their proverbial butts to trash one person or another. I don't ever remember seeing Steph's name come up here before which leads me to believe that the original poster is the one with the bug. Then others just follow. Why can't someone be a know-it-all as they may really just know more then you do. I listen to others as I might learn something I didn't know and if there isn't anything new to learn I just keep my mouth shut. Those who post anon here are acting more like the know it alls then the know it alls!!!
May 23, 2011 7:24 AM
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Check the archives, her name has came up at least once before.
Exactly how I feel. The people that have responded saying they don't see any posts where she seems to know it all just haven't dug deep enough and I don't expect them to. I am just saying what I have seen for the past couple of years. Like the time she critiqued the shadow box a designer made (and asked for cc) in another forum, Stef critiqued and went overboard. She came across as a know-it-all and that's when I first noticed her attitude. If she would tone the attitude down she probably wouldn't get under my skin.
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No she didn't. In that circumstance, she did know it all, in a manner of speaking. She's had years of professional illustrating etc under her belt. She didn't go overboard at all. The person who was asking for CC just didn't really except to get any or didn't really want any. Probably like you, you think you know it all, which is why you hate to hear from people that actually know more than you.
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STFU Stef. It's bad enough you are all over DST do you have to spoil the smack blog too?
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I'm not Stef. Some people are so stupid. Even if I were, I can be wherever I want, freedom of speech and all that. Don't like it, go somewhere else.
So SugarHill is having a designer call and asking for a $5.00 a month server fee. Is it worth applying?re
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STFU Stef. It's bad enough you are all over DST do you have to spoil the smack blog too?
May 23, 2011 6:56 PM
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I'm not Stef. Some people are so stupid. Even if I were, I can be wherever I want, freedom of speech and all that. Don't like it, go somewhere else.
May 23, 2011 7:08 PM
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I actually don't think it's Stef. Stef comes off at DST as overly confident in her own skills. Which doesn't marry well with her apparent ignorance of the general lack of desire by others to hear her talk about her "amazing" skills. But I've never pegged her as the type to be nasty and immature, or straight out rude to people, like her defender here is acting.
It is entirely possible that the Stef-defender could be Shilo trying to lead the conversation away from the talk about her.
if you're torn over $5, i'd say don't apply.
i'd rather pay $5 most months than be obligated to do store collabs.
Studio Demo's blog photo does not surprise me. So many young women have a very misguided sense of self. They imagine that everyone wants or needs to see their breasts, their behinds and their underwear in order for them to be accepted. They have grown up watching too much reality TV and perhaps think that Paris Hilton, Brittany Spears, The Housewives and Lindsay Lohan are models for how a woman should present herself. I don't know about the rest of you, but seeing someone's else crotch or tits sells little but the reality of how self indulgent and desperate they are for attention.
Taking a photo of yourself, least of all one in which your are representing a scrapbook shop, with your bra showing, breast hanging out and your skirt just covering your vajajay - girl, all you are saying is how little you respect yourself. I have no desire to spend my hard earned money supporting your misguided ego. Grow up. Cover up. Its a family hobby not a peep show.
Demo's other collab partner Bean Bunny isn't much better:
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/happy-place-31/rak-pretty-fins-278083/
But I've never pegged her as the type to be nasty and immature, or straight out rude to people, like her defender here is acting.
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Or the people who are criticizing Stef, aren't they just as nasty, immature and rude? There is fault on both sides, why pick on just one?
Taking a photo of yourself, least of all one in which your are representing a scrapbook shop, with your bra showing, breast hanging out and your skirt just covering your vajajay - girl, all you are saying is how little you respect yourself. I have no desire to spend my hard earned money supporting your misguided ego. Grow up. Cover up. Its a family hobby not a peep show.
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Hmm, considering that the photo is only on her blog and not in her shop, I'm not sure what your problem is. If that photo was on her product, sure, you've got a complaint, but it's not. I can pretty much bet that if her blog hadn't come up here, you would never have seen that photo.
Demo's other collab partner Bean Bunny isn't much better:
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/happy-place-31/rak-pretty-fins-278083/
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WTH? I don't see anything wrong with that photo.
It is entirely possible that the Stef-defender could be Shilo trying to lead the conversation away from the talk about her.
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Right and the moon landing was planned by her too.
I don't see a problem with Bean Bunny's photo - a bit self indulgent, not unlike Royanna's photos, but at least it's just a head shot.
As for the comment that Demo's photo isn't on her previews, you are missing that it is on a business blog, not a personal one.
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It's irrelevant. You don't shop at the blog. A designer's blog is not the first point of sale, her store is. Most people only visit the blog later, if they like the designer.
Wow. My boob are still the topic of discussion. ONE picture like that means I have a "misguided sense of self"? Lol okay. This conversation is getting a little sad now. You all seem like your desperate from something to bitch about. I bring forward a theif and you talk crap about my picture like that important. Someone else brings forward a pirate and you all talk crap about my boobs. Its almost starting to sound like a jealousy thing if you need to talk about my boobs rather than the problems at hand. My boobs and my picture are not "hurting" anyone but myself. The thief and the pirate however are hurting more people...but my blog picture is what's important to you.
I'm NOT changing my blog picture unless I do a blog makeover to match my new packaging. So if you don't like my blog picture, don't look. Don't buy from me. Lol. I don't care. Its simple. Why don't you get that?
It is entirely possible that the Stef-defender could be Shilo trying to lead the conversation away from the talk about her.
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I would say that it was the person who keeps bring up my boobs. Lol.
Wow. My boob are still the topic of discussion. ONE picture like that means I have a "misguided sense of self"? Lol okay. This conversation is getting a little sad now. You all seem like your desperate from something to bitch about. I bring forward a theif and you talk crap about my picture like that important. Someone else brings forward a pirate and you all talk crap about my boobs. Its almost starting to sound like a jealousy thing if you need to talk about my boobs rather than the problems at hand. My boobs and my picture are not "hurting" anyone but myself. The thief and the pirate however are hurting more people...but my blog picture is what's important to you.
I'm NOT changing my blog picture unless I do a blog makeover to match my new packaging. So if you don't like my blog picture, don't look. Don't buy from me. Lol. I don't care. Its simple. Why don't you get that?
May 24, 2011 3:22 AM
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Way to go, girl! I'm with you! I think there is only one person here who is annoyed by your boobs (she keeps posting over and over again) and she sounds really prude and jealous.
I would say that it was the person who keeps bring up my boobs. Lol.
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Nope. I don't have a problem with your boobs, you can do what you want with them.
Its not just one person talking about your boobs. I am one of them and I didn't post it all.
It could be Shilo and me though. Or maybe I am Shilo. Or maybe I'm the pirate at DST. Or maybe I'm just someone who is stirring up shit for fun and doesn't really care about any of it.
Don't worry Demo, I won't ever buy from you.
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Wow. My boob are still the topic of discussion. ONE picture like that means I have a "misguided sense of self"? Lol okay. This conversation is getting a little sad now. You all seem like your desperate from something to bitch about. I bring forward a theif and you talk crap about my picture like that important. Someone else brings forward a pirate and you all talk crap about my boobs. Its almost starting to sound like a jealousy thing if you need to talk about my boobs rather than the problems at hand. My boobs and my picture are not "hurting" anyone but myself. The thief and the pirate however are hurting more people...but my blog picture is what's important to you.
I'm NOT changing my blog picture unless I do a blog makeover to match my new packaging. So if you don't like my blog picture, don't look. Don't buy from me. Lol. I don't care. Its simple. Why don't you get that?
May 24, 2011 3:22 AM
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Way to go, girl! I'm with you! I think there is only one person here who is annoyed by your boobs (she keeps posting over and over again) and she sounds really prude and jealous.
May 24, 2011 3:35 AM
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I am with you too! Maybe those fellow bitches here are just plain jealous (you know, after 5 kiddos their boobs can sweep the floor!)
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Really? Only if you don't look after them. I'm so sorry that you are having that problem.
I hate mopping and my mop needs replacing. Care to come and mop my floors with your "5 kid boobs?". LOL
Don't worry Demo, I won't ever buy from you.
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Oh no. I'm so sad. :(
LOL @ 5 kid boobs.
Its not just one person talking about your boobs. I am one of them and I didn't post it all.
It could be Shilo and me though. Or maybe I am Shilo. Or maybe I'm the pirate at DST. Or maybe I'm just someone who is stirring up shit for fun and doesn't really care about any of it.
Don't worry Demo, I won't ever buy from you.
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Who cares who you are at this point? You sound like an idiot that needs to feel more important than they actually are.
I think those who are upset about your boobs do not get the cultural difference between island culture and mainland culture. Despite that though I see late teens/early twenty-somethings dressed much, much worse here in my landlocked state all the time. I would not worry about anyone here complaining about your body. People here would complain about anything and most are probably designers. The average scrapper has no need to be on a site like this.
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5 kid boobies:
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I LOL'd IRL!
That is freaking fantastic. I sense a new kit coming out. "Five Kid Bewbies" All sorts of cute little ladies with bresticles hanging below their dresses, wonder bra elements, extracted nipples.. the possibilities are endless, right?
I remember once a long time ago kidding around that people would start extracting dirt... and trust me it's happened, right? Now we scrap pictures or random stock photos of kids on unicorns. I don't see boobs as far away on the list. Who knows.. XXX Scrapbooking.. for fetishers? A bondage kit? So much potential there! :D
If defending myself is going to make people stop buying from me or look at me in a negative way ("bury" me), oh well. I don't need their money. Because what I do in my spare time should not matter if my work is good...and I treat my fans and peers with respect. I'd rather people stop buying from me for being myself rather than get sales from people who would stop following me if they found out I posted here.
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Alyssa, what you don't seem to understand is that your customers may very well be HERE at this blog. Reputation is important, and it's all about how you carry yourself and behave ALL the time -- because you never know who may be watching/reading. This is advice you'd be well off to tuck away and use in real life, too.
To everyone who's been wondering where Shilo is and why she isn't posting anything here in response to the whole collab drama -- I would bet my '5 kid boobies' (still laughing about that one) that she's the one who keeps posting random ridiculousness like "tit taaayyyys!" and off-color comments about Studio Demo every 50 posts or so... just IMO. Because we ALL know she's reading this... there's no way she's not.
Alyssa, what you don't seem to understand is that your customers may very well be HERE at this blog. Reputation is important, and it's all about how you carry yourself and behave ALL the time -- because you never know who may be watching/reading. This is advice you'd be well off to tuck away and use in real life, too.
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Thanks but when the way I act "all of the time" starts to affect the quality of my designs then I will tuck it away. I think that ANY designer's reputation (whether they post here or not) should be based solely upon their quality, their customer service and whether they are involved in illegal activity or not.
Since I post here does not affect the quality of my designs, the way I handle customer service issues and since I am not involved in any illegal activity, I don't see why I would gain a bad reputation in designing digital scrapbooking kits. If I were a teacher and this was a smack blog talking about students...yeah that would hurt my reputation but, since I am here simply defending myself and NOT smack talking about anyone I don't see why my "reputation" will lower.
You advice is a little hypocritical to me. If posting here is SO frowned upon and reflects negatively on a person why are YOU posting here? What would happen if your customers found out you were posting here? Hmmmmm. But, I guess it is alright when you can hide. People may not know who you are but, YOU do. And if posting here is as bad as you make it seem, shouldn't something not be sitting right with you since you ARE posting here? But hey, that's for you to deal with on your own.
P.S. If my fans and customers who may read this are as impressionable as you are making them seem, I think that what people have already said about my boobs and my blog picture will make them look at me in a negative light anyway. I don't see how me defending myself here to you ANONYMOUS people will make me look worse than you all already have.
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SD you crack me up! You are now posting under your name just because you had to defend yourself. If nobody knew it was you and this issue never happened you would still be here posting under anonymous. You are now preaching about anonymous posters...you are the one that is being hipocritical.
SD you crack me up! You are now posting under your name just because you had to defend yourself. If nobody knew it was you and this issue never happened you would still be here posting under anonymous. You are now preaching about anonymous posters...you are the one that is being hipocritical.
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I've never actually posted here until this happened and I posted anonymous because I had to not because I was scared or hiding.
SD you didn't HAVE to post here anonymously or under your true name. You chose to do that. There were ways to handle your problem without coming here.
I suspect that you are enjoying that the drama is focused on you based on the fact that you posted here, encouraged everyone to guess who you were accusing and then the fact that you keep coming back here egging it on. Of course, we all like watching a train wreck or we wouldn't be here. The difference is that most of the rest of us don't want the drama to revolve around us.
This is a smack blog. People here will tear you apart. You might have realized that was going to happen to you if you'd looked at any single page in the archives before you'd posted.
PS It isn't you that deserves to be smacked at this point SD. It's Shilo. Problem is you keep coming here and challenging everyone to smack you. Your own actions keep drawing focus away from the person who deserves the bad attention, namely Shilo.
9&B. I like them more. Just read on facebook that Jennifer Fox is leaving there though. Wonder why?
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She posted something on her blog about this. It looks like she is retiring from designing.
http://jenniferfoxdesigns.blogspot.com/2011/05/my-big-announcement-im-retiring.html
I agree, enough about Studio Demo and her friggin boobs. Jeez.
Would love to hear from Shilo and her side of the story ... her not posting here yet (when we definitely know she reads here) makes it seem like she is guilty and just has nothing to say that would explain what she did.
For the person who asked about DeCrow at SO, she is also retiring:
http://decrowdesigns.blogspot.com/2011/05/retirement-sale.html
Would love to hear from Shilo and her side of the story ... her not posting here yet (when we definitely know she reads here) makes it seem like she is guilty and just has nothing to say that would explain what she did.
May 24, 2011 2:55 PM
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I agree 100%. I guess there really is just no way she can think of to rationalize what she has done. She can't think of a way to lie her way out of it, so she's just going to be quiet and hope it goes away. The problem is, I think it probably will just go away. She's still in her stores. If I were her store owner and found out she had done that, I'd drop her. It's not like she's some huge money maker. Not if she has to cheat someone out of their money, when it sounds like her share of the money couldn't have possibly amounted to more than $20.
I agree 100%. I guess there really is just no way she can think of to rationalize what she has done. She can't think of a way to lie her way out of it, so she's just going to be quiet and hope it goes away. The problem is, I think it probably will just go away. She's still in her stores. If I were her store owner and found out she had done that, I'd drop her. It's not like she's some huge money maker. Not if she has to cheat someone out of their money, when it sounds like her share of the money couldn't have possibly amounted to more than $20.
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I agree as well, if I was a store owner, I would be seriously concerned about this. It just shows the person's character, ripping off your collab partners is pretty sad.
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So true. I am in one of the stores she sells in, and I'm genuinely shocked that she's still there. Knowing the store owner as I do, I would have expected her shop to have been disabled already. So, maybe there's more to this than we all know? (though I seriously doubt it).
Maybe, the way I look at it, there are always 2 sides to every story. It would be nice to hear the other side :)
This is a smack blog. People here will tear you apart. You might have realized that was going to happen to you if you'd looked at any single page in the archives before you'd posted.
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Talking about my boobs isn't "smacking" me. Lol.
The other side of the story which she told her store owners is basically that she "didn't check" to see if she sold any collabs so she didn't know that she owed us money...even though we had been asking for a while. I have a feeling she never would have "checked" if I didn't email the owners.
I got the screen shots and she is finally starting to pay the money. I'll get the rest in June. So this is probably why she hasn't been kicked out.
Love that you're still dishing all this info. Totally professional and classy ;)
Love that you're still dishing all this info. Totally professional and classy ;)
May 24, 2011 5:04 PM
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wow, do you want some smack worthy shit or not? who cares if it's from the designer - hey at least that way we're getting it from the horse's mouth. Again - read post from earlier - you bitch because people can't reveal this kind of stuff at DST, then look down your long skinny nose at someone disapprovingly when they dish it here.
You read here, so that puts you in the same league as everyone else.
It's super hilarious to watch someone completely ruin their credibility/reputation/brand/etc. on this blog. So stupid, but I'm loving it. Pass the popcorn. Keep going, Alyssa... you're professional demise is A+ entertainment for the rest of us...
Love that you're still dishing all this info. Totally professional and classy ;)
May 24, 2011 5:04 PM
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Thanks for your opinion Shilo. I'd respect you more if you apologized to her for stealing from her instead of smacking her for not just sitting quietly by while you did it.
wow, do you want some smack worthy shit or not? who cares if it's from the designer - hey at least that way we're getting it from the horse's mouth. Again - read post from earlier - you bitch because people can't reveal this kind of stuff at DST, then look down your long skinny nose at someone disapprovingly when they dish it here.
You read here, so that puts you in the same league as everyone else.
May 24, 2011 5:16 PM
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On this blog we look down our long skinny 5 kid boobs disapprovingly. Not our noses.
It's super hilarious to watch someone completely ruin their credibility/reputation/brand/etc. on this blog. So stupid, but I'm loving it. Pass the popcorn. Keep going, Alyssa... you're professional demise is A+ entertainment for the rest of us...
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Didn't someone say earlier that I shouldn't look at this as my only "career". Well I'm not. :) so if I ruin my credibility/reputation/brand, there will always be something else! :) That's the good thing about being 1 semester away from graduating college! Either way, I'll always have customers.
Glad I could entertain you. <3
On this blog we look down our long skinny 5 kid boobs disapprovingly. Not our noses.
May 24, 2011 5:36 PM
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LOL!
Thanks for your opinion Shilo. I'd respect you more if you apologized to her for stealing from her instead of smacking her for not just sitting quietly by while you did it.
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She didn't steal! She just "didn't check"...for the whole month the kit was in the store and being paid every week.
I wonder who else she owes money too. BZB? Queen of Hearts? Jen Yurko??? We'll never know.
There is nothing professional about this blog. I don't know why any of you are worrying about others being professional here.
Love that you're still dishing all this info. Totally professional and classy ;)
May 24, 2011 5:04 PM
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Thanks for your opinion Shilo. I'd respect you more if you apologized to her for stealing from her instead of smacking her for not just sitting quietly by while you did it.
May 24, 2011 5:30 PM
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Not Shil-ho, but nice try. ;)
Didn't check. Yeah, because I would think it's possible to rely on my memory to pay partners out on invoices I may have seen come through. Especially if more than half my product was a collaboration with someone else. Makes sense right? And it is really really hard to check to see how many have sold. That could take possibly 10 mouse clicks and at least 1 minute. Who can be expected to go that kind of trouble in the name of integrity and honesty?
"Didn't check" is the lamest excuse I've ever heard. She stole, she lied and now she doesn't even have the cajones to own up to what she did, apologize and try to make it right.
You go into a collab trusting your collab partner but when things just don't add up and the partner basically brags about how much money s/he makes but has supposedly sold none of your collab, what do you do?
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Does Shilo really brag to other designers about how much money she makes? That's so weird!! Seriously, who does that?
Shilo here's a little hint for you, you can't brag about having piles of money, when really a large chunk of what you are getting paid actually belongs to someone else.
Didn't check. Yeah, because I would think it's possible to rely on my memory to pay partners out on invoices I may have seen come through. Especially if more than half my product was a collaboration with someone else. Makes sense right? And it is really really hard to check to see how many have sold. That could take possibly 10 mouse clicks and at least 1 minute. Who can be expected to go that kind of trouble in the name of integrity and honesty?
"Didn't check" is the lamest excuse I've ever heard. She stole, she lied and now she doesn't even have the cajones to own up to what she did, apologize and try to make it right.
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I know what you mean. I was being sarcastic. The fact that she has to wait until June to pay is proof enough that she was stealing. Instead of sending the money directly after the payout, she spent it. And she never had time to "check it" but she had time to make new kits AND upload them to Xcart. That = stealing.
Does Shilo really brag to other designers about how much money she makes? That's so weird!! Seriously, who does that?
Shilo here's a little hint for you, you can't brag about having piles of money, when really a large chunk of what you are getting paid actually belongs to someone else.
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That's how we knew to question the sales of the collab. You made $300 at one store for insd $80 at another store and NONE of them was our kit? Hmmmmm.
But she's slowly paying us for the kits sold. So I guess that makes it okay.
Again - read post from earlier - you bitch because people can't reveal this kind of stuff at DST, then look down your long skinny nose at someone disapprovingly when they dish it here.
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Truer words were never spoken. I guess some of the just like to bitch, no matter what.
Does Shilo really brag to other designers about how much money she makes? That's so weird!! Seriously, who does that?
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Lots of people do that. Geez, IRL, people often brag about much money they make.
hmmm. IRL I don't know anyone who brags about how much money they make. No matter how much you brag there will be someone who makes more than you. Your bragging will just make them gloat. And why would you want to brag and hurt the feeling of someone who makes less than you. Bragging about your money is just not a good thing to do.
For some reason I have a hard time imaging that what Shilo or what any average digi designer makes is worth bragging about.
But then this whole conversation screams unprofessional to me. The fact that there are designers not being upfront about the collab kits they sell. The fact that there are store owners not willing to get involved in making sure the finances on collabs are handled properly. The fact that a young designer finds the need to seek help on a smack blog, only to find people are more interested in her boobs than the fact that a designer was screwing her over a few measly collab sales.
Thanks for the laugh people. I totally feel like I'm back in high school. (Or was that junior high??)
Bragging about your money is just not a good thing to do.
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Bragging about anything is not a good thing to do, but people do it all the time anyway. Fact of life.
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