Regarding the "studio demo" girl changing names & applying at new stores ----> Wouldn't the stores know her real name anyways?? Don't the stores need the designers to fill out documentation for tax purposes??
You can't sell at a digi store using a fake name, can you??
"the store should have changed the passwords." -------------------------------
Do designers have access to other designer's stuff usually???
Or just access to their own designs?
I'm not familiar with how access works when you are a designer at a consignment digi store, but wouldn't it be dangerous for any one person to have access to other designers digi designs??
she is going by Alyssa DeMoraes Wade presently. http://www.facebook.com/alyssadem0
as for ftp stuff, some stores have a collaborative login for the server to be able to post collab portions for the month. otherwise each designer has their own individual login to the server and the site itself.
but wouldn't it be dangerous for any one person to have access to other designers digi designs?? -------
I've been in several stores and have had access to the other designers goodies. Never had a problem. Contrary to what people think, most designers are honest.
Regarding the "studio demo" girl changing names & applying at new stores ----> Wouldn't the stores know her real name anyways?? Don't the stores need the designers to fill out documentation for tax purposes??
You can't sell at a digi store using a fake name, can you??
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You'd be surprised how many shops out there don't verify anything or care about much when it comes to that. Several shops don't even have a simple business license. It's just some person who put a site together and took in designers.
Just because they filled out some paperwork it doesn't mean they filled it out truthfully.
You'd be surprised how many shops out there don't verify anything or care about much when it comes to that. Several shops don't even have a simple business license. It's just some person who put a site together and took in designers. ------------
Probably the newer stores. The older stores were far more conscientious about that stuff.
stores that do collabs have two ftp accounts for each designer. one for their own product uploads, and one for the team collab. every designer in the store would have access to the collab ftp, and yes - every designer would have access to the other designers parts of the collab to download or delete at will. Its a trust issue with most shops. you never expect someone like Demo to come along and ruin things for you. Expecially older shops - that she went back and deleted her parts to older collabs was downright dirty. but then again - the shop owners are also at fault on this one. Demo's access should have been changed the day that she was no longer associated with whichever shop had this happen.
Great, so now every new designer that pops up will be SD. And a few of you will STALK her every move including jobs that aren't related to Digi. It's Amanda all over again.
Keep talking about it (especially in relation to digtal scrapbooking)! But remember there's a point where you are just as crazy.
"Great, so now every new designer that pops up will be SD." Nah...not really. As long as they don't put a comma behind their "but" they'll be fine. LOL
As if there is not enough confusion with CU and CU4CU, now we can have CU4CU4CU: http://scrappinhens.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=523&products_id=3654
Anonymous said... As if there is not enough confusion with CU and CU4CU, now we can have CU4CU4CU: http://scrappinhens.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=523&products_id=3654
Don't the stores have backups just for cases like this?
June 5, 2011 10:42 AM
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Maybe. It still doesn't mean it wasn't a PIA to get that back. ______________
This just doesn't even make sense. The shared FTP is usually just a place to upload their portion of the collab. Once the product is compiled by the owner and put into the store, it should be stored on another FTP. I've never heard of the finished collabs being available on the shared FTP (not that it doesn't happen, but it seems unwise). So if she deleted collab parts, I would have thought she was just deleting something that wasn't live yet anyway (currently being worked on), in which case it wouldn't affect customers and even though a PIA, it would have just required each designer to upload their portion again.
^How about if you read what was posted?! You'll argue about anything even when you are arguing with the wrong thing...
1. The question was about *back-up*, not about how the files were stored on the FTP.
2. My response was to that question. If there was a back-up it could be a PIA to get it back. It's a PIA to have files missing in the first place.
I agree that it doesn't make sense that a back-up was needed. The person that created the preview would have it on their HD. Or it's even possible that the entire story was made up because not too many stores are set-up to give designers access to those files. But some stores aren't very smart...
It still would be a PIA to reupload. It's always a PIA to have to re-do things.
This just doesn't even make sense. The shared FTP is usually just a place to upload their portion of the collab. Once the product is compiled by the owner and put into the store, it should be stored on another FTP. I've never heard of the finished collabs being available on the shared FTP (not that it doesn't happen, but it seems unwise). So if she deleted collab parts, I would have thought she was just deleting something that wasn't live yet anyway (currently being worked on), in which case it wouldn't affect customers and even though a PIA, it would have just required each designer to upload their portion again.
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I've been in 5 stores, and every single one of them keeps the finished collab on the shared FTP and links to that FTP from the live product in store. It's not as uncommon as you think, though I'd agree that it has been shown to be unwise.
A customer is asking of Studio Demo at DST -- not to complain but to probably buy more kits. So who's gonna do the honor of telling her what's been going on?
The paypal Alyssa uses is registered under the name Janet Durham. Alyssa has used the alias Tiffany. Tiffany Dazzles "name" is Tiffany Durham. Coincidence? Doubt it. It's quite obvious Alyssa is Tiffany Dazzles so I'm not sure why you say that person would look like an idiot.
The paypal Alyssa uses is registered under the name Janet Durham. Alyssa has used the alias Tiffany. Tiffany Dazzles "name" is Tiffany Durham. Coincidence? Doubt it. It's quite obvious Alyssa is Tiffany Dazzles so I'm not sure why you say that person would look like an idiot.
June 5, 2011 10:37 PM
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If you think it's such a great idea, why don't you do it? You could be the hero!
I cannot believe that anyone is still chasing this girl around. It's certainly been established that she has some issues to deal with but its gone too far. It's serious bullying now. Let it go. I'm all for outing the wrong - her included but when is it enough? Her outside life or future jobs, or kids or family or whatever ARE NONE OF OUR BUSINESS. Yes, maybe some are just warning her that her name can be easily googled and will follow her but that's where the line needs to be drawn. Talking about her breasts, calling her names, intimidating her where her furture is concerned, etc. Wow, if this was my kid (and I do think she's probably a child) I would feel terrible. Even is she did mess up.
As for you SD - Im not bashing you but clearly you have some issues that need to be carefully looked at. Do yourself a favor and stay far from this blog. It will not only eat you alive but not help if you are truly dealing with some kind of emotional/mental issues. Some people here are going to call you out..and I'm sorry to say but rightfully so! And then others are going to go to the absolute extremes and actually follow you to your next job outside of digital design. You need to stop now. Stop and think..is there a single benefit to coming here everyday and reading and interacting? Absolutely not! You made your bed and they're minds are made up. An act of God won't change any of that. Right or wrong, you need to walk away. Period. I don't want to see this go any further. I'd hate to see anything get worse for you. Trust me, I'm not on your side or the posters of this blog. I'm just saying..it's gone beyond ugly. Just go sweetie. Run and dont look back.
It's interesting because I had noticed that SD was having a CT call almost every three or four months. Not for guest CTMs, but for new CTMs. Who does that?
^Designers that want an active CT. Most CTMs start out motivated and then lose the motivation after being on the team. Also, many CT's have a 3 month contract. That means that a call is going to happen every 3 months.
I don't think there's a scandal in this situation. Even if they did shut out CTMs, it was probably because they weren't doing their job.
I was on the Demo CT for a short time and I can say that Naz was the most dedicated CTM on the team. I honestly can't believe they just shut their CT out. Knowing that just confirms my gut feeling about those girls.
I didn't like how the CT was run, so I left before they started having a call every 2 months. They would give you kits the day they released them expecting LOs done that day OR they wouldn't give you any kits to work with (new or old), but expected blog posts every day.
Demo herself would post every few weeks about thinking about retiring, so you never knew what would happen. Half the time she wasn't even in the forum for weeks on end saying she was out of town or on vacation, but you'd see her being chatty elsewhere.
If the designer isn't going to make time to get her own products to her own CT, why would anyone be dedicated?
I wasn't judging the CT (Naz or even you) and their actions. I was explaining what may have happened. I think it's a crazy to try to find a scandal in something so mundane and typical. I know a couple designers that outsed the CT. It doesn't mean that everyone was bad, just that they wanted a fresh start.
She's done enough to bury herself. Why try to dig up crap that doesn't even matter?
^^ I wonder if the store owner where BeanBunny sells would consider checking into that. It is bad enough if StudioDemo and TiffanyDazzle are one person, but what if BeanBunny is still a third persona?
BeanBunny's real name is actually Linda Janet Avilia, and she goes by Janet. She's not Alyssa or Tiffany, she just has the misfortune of being associated with the whole mess. Janet Durham is Alyssa's mother.
Is it me or is Gotta Pixel going down the drain with the new management system? Seems to me over the years that personal touch is gone and so many designers with rabid ct members over saturating every site out there. I did see a couple cute kits but think my money could be better spent with designers who still have the caring touch left in them. I know it is rare but some designers still have a genuine touch left in them.
um, I also thought they were a bunch of designers who were good at piecing together CU and recoloring. (I don't have a problem with that if it's all cute!) Before that, the store just sucked with a bunch of Grandma designs.
That store always manages to have one or two almost-but not quite-standout designers. Who stay for a while, and then leave under machine gun fire and grenades thrown by the owner. I think it will always be a store in the middle. Too bad because as crazy as the owner is, she has always tried really hard to make it a top store.
Well, that would be because of a lot of it would be your fault as a parent, wouldn't it? ----------------------------- I guess you have a pretty good point (and thank you for being nice about it. As a parent I've never been perfect and have definitely screwed up but I'd still feel bad. Wouldnt you? And sometimes the parent is not to blame and the kid is just screwed up even with the best parenting. That said, I would feel bad but then be quite concerned about her behavior and not be happy with it..even if I did feel bad.
That store always manages to have one or two almost-but not quite-standout designers. Who stay for a while, and then leave under machine gun fire and grenades thrown by the owner. I think it will always be a store in the middle. Too bad because as crazy as the owner is, she has always tried really hard to make it a top store.
Does someone new own it now?
No, not a new owner right now but a new manager in place who makes Stacy look mild in comparison. I am sure she is being primed to own the place because her Prima Donna attitude is in place and all that is lacking is her tiara!
^^^ Who is the new manager? Too bad she's being such a PIA. There are IMO, some good designers at GP right now. If the new manager acts like a crazy bitch she's going to run them all out of there pretty quickly. I'm sure that there are other stores out there that would be happy to snatch them up!
No I don't go by FB fans. Lots of stores have promoted their fan page really well. They run promotions to get fans, and give away freebies once they hit a certain level of fans. I give GP an A+ for marketing their fan page though.
I think GP is middle tier based on the general level of designer skills and appeal. GP has some good designers, but they also have some pretty blah designers. The blah designers will never leave. Sadly, the good ones will leave eventually. They always do.
Maybe they are better at promoting their FB page than others. Or not. There's really no proof that's what causes their numbers. Most people pick-up the promo items and then "unlike". You can't deny the fan numbers though since they aren't running a freebie right now.
The freebie hunters will hit like and keep it because they know that GP asks their designers to give away so many freebies. They know they will get more.
I find GPs marketing to be annoying. Stores that send out a newsletter every single day and give out a daily freebie seem desperate to me. Good stores with good designs, don't have to do that to keep subscribers and customers.
GP has come a long way in the last few years. They have a lot of good designers now. They don't have to keep giving out daily freebies to get the customers. Maybe if the owner/manager were to back off the designers with the constant requirements, they would be willing to stick around. Or at least they wouldn't publicly bash the owner at DST when they do leave.
Gotta Pixel is absolutely NOT a top-tier store. It's a store for beginner digiscrappers, who unload their money there until they learn what's really available in digiland. GP has got a few really good designers right now, who will probably leave within the next few months (case in point: Etc By Danyale recently opened up at The Digichick, so my guess is she won't last long). The rest of the less-creative run-of-the-mill designers are the type who cater to beginners and people who haven't learned about all that the digi community has to offer. Back in the day, even I got my start at shops like GP. Then I learned about the more unique, artistic designers at some of the top stores, and I haven't shopped at GP since. Customers' tastes will always evolve past a place like GP because they don't offer much that's unique.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/scrap-talk-65/scrappers-choice-awards-278481/ -------------------------- Ripal said "This is what I get for being quiet around here and do my own thing in my little corner!"
Thanks for posting over at DST but we all know you are a frequent reader/poster over here and don't always stay in your "own little corner" LOL
Must be a lot of GP designers who read this blog. I know that Stacy reads and posts here. Sorry that it hurts your feelings that people don't see GP as top tier like you do. I'll give a rating of upper-middle class. Does that make you feel any better?
Sorry, not even a GP customer. I think the FB numbers give us some feedback about customer base at each store. They have more than SO. And SO does give out freebies regularly too. They often come up in the top-tier discussions...
But you can choose not to believe the numbers. That's fine. You can go with your "feelings".
Wow, reading all of this about Studio Demo is just crazy! What a loon! And I do know Lizzy personally and I know for a fact that she is too classy to worry about Studio Demo and all of her other personas! Sounds like someone needs some serious help and some meds maybe. It amazes me the stuff that can come from designers. Maybe someone should open a store called "We R' Nuts."
"I cannot believe that anyone is still chasing this girl around...." _____________________
I have to agree with the above. I only come over here once in a blue to see who's name pops up (who doesn't love a lil' drama right?)but I always run the other way when this kind of thing gets as ugly as it's gotten. As a designer SD did take it too far BUT I just don't understand the logic in the extreme bullying on either side. I guess if this was my kid I'd have her checked by a doctor immediately, put a stop to the computer usage and then feel bad for her too. Surely it's nobody's biz what she does after this.
So 1:15, who do you consider top-tier then? Please share your artistic designers with us.
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I'm not 1:15 but I'll answer this.
I'd say Jenn Barrette thinks that SSD is a top tier store. I'd agree with her.
Apparently Rachel thinks 9&B is a top tier store. Not sure I'd agree, but it is way better than GP when it comes to design talent and non-bitchy owners.
Lara Banasiak (Simply Scraps) seems to have found a top tier store at SO.
Amy Sumrall apparently decided that TLP was a top tier store. She has since retired.
I can actually think of several other designers that made a name while at GP but then moved on to bigger and better things. If GP was a top tier store, wouldn't they still be there?
This top tier store/designer debate is pointless since we all have different tastes. Where I might think is a top tier store the last poster might say is complete trash.
9&B & SSD are top tier according to FB fan base. But GP only trials them by 200 fans. They have more than SO.
I'm not saying that GP is THE top store. It's just not trailing as far behind as SM & TDC either. It's up there with many of the stores often listed as "top".
But you can choose not to believe the numbers. That's fine. You can go with your "feelings".
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I'm not basing my opinion on feelings alone. There's a good chance I have had some experience with GP and have since moved on myself to bigger and better things.
Honestly, sales are ok at GP, but not great. Designers are required to do so many extra bonus things for the store that you don't get paid for, that it isn't worth it. The owner is constantly changing the rules as she goes along to suit herself and because she is obsessed with becoming a "top-tier" store.
So since you aren't even a "customer" there, I guess it might be you is is going by "feelings" rather than facts.
Anyone who works at it can get high FB fan numbers. It's not that impressive.
Someone should reply to the Studio Demo thread with a link to tffanydazzle.me
Good heavens. Since you have nothing more to do but keep hoping for more drama with SD then why don't you do it? Give it a break already. I'm bored to death already with SD.
This top tier store/designer debate is pointless since we all have different tastes. Where I might think is a top tier store the last poster might say is complete trash.
June 6, 2011 1:30 PM
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You're only right in that your taste doesn't reflect sales in another store. I don't like the TLP. It doesn't change their FB fan base nor there sales.
I goes there could be more than one scope to the many of top-tier. But I always thought it meant popularity and sales.
11:28 Connie Prince is managing GP now. Her designs are meh but she tries in the designing field. As for managerial material she lacks it all and has let it go to her head. As for GP being upper tier, I disagree. It is a starting point for better things to come once a designer gets confidence or has had enough of the dictator roles of those in charge who would do better to develop a style rather than thinking they are something special.
But PROVE to me that GP has worked any harder than any other store to get a higher fan base. I don't think they could do it unless they had that broad of a customer base. I truly believe a certain percentage of those numbers are regular customers for each store.
You're only right in that your taste doesn't reflect sales in another store. I don't like the TLP. It doesn't change their FB fan base nor there sales.
I goes there could be more than one scope to the many of top-tier. But I always thought it meant popularity and sales. -----------
I guess as far as taste its a matter of opinion. As far as sales, it's a matter of fact. Still, none of it impresses me. I buy from quality designers no matter where they are. Not because the popularity or sales figures at a store.
I don't need to prove it to you. You can keep on believing that your store is a top store if it makes you feel better. I'll just keep watching the good designers move on to greener pastures. But who knows, maybe those boring designers that have been at GP for years and years are the real money makers.
Who gives a hoot who has a better store really? Well, I guess if you play the popularity game, then yes you would give a hoot. I've been out of high school for 10+ years now and popularity doesn't do a thing for me. And for the record, I've seen plenty of shitty, copycat designers at these so-called "top tier" stores.
I don't need to prove it to you. You can keep on believing that your store is a top store if it makes you feel better. I'll just keep watching the good designers move on to greener pastures. But who knows, maybe those boring designers that have been at GP for years and years are the real money makers. -------- No, you don't but you sure are working hard at trying to do so. When you stop being focused on being in with the "popular" crowd then you'll be alright in my book - no matter what they all say about you.
I don't need to prove it to you. You can keep on believing that your store is a top store if it makes you feel better. I'll just keep watching the good designers move on to greener pastures. But who knows, maybe those boring designers that have been at GP for years and years are the real money makers.
June 6, 2011 1:40 PM
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I already told you that I don't even shop there. I have no affliation with the store. I prefer SO and 9th&B. I don't find a lot at GP that fits my style. So this is honestly something where I see the numbers and it made me think about that maybe our perceptions of "top tier" are really off.
K-Studio left Catscrap and is selling exclusively at her own store. I personally was shocked. Kristen and Shen were really really close. Kristen wrote that she left CS with a very heavy heart. So im wondering why she left? Anyone know?
Well, I guess if you play the popularity game, then yes you would give a hoot. I've been out of high school for 10+ years now and popularity doesn't do a thing for me.
June 6, 2011 1:43 PM
You clearly don't have a mind for business. We aren't talking about who is the "nicest". To make money the designer or the designer's product must be popular. That's why this discussion comes up all the time. It DOES matter!
But most of us don't buy just because the store or product is "popular". It has to match our style as well. I think that's why there are a number of stores in the top tier.
I'll just keep watching the good designers move on to greener pastures.
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And how many designers have we seen move on from supposed top stores? It happens and leaves us stumped on this blog. They get smacked for their choice.
Everyone has their niche. If they are smart they stay put once they find it and stop looking for greener pastures.
I'm not saying that GP is THE top store. It's just not trailing as far behind as SM & TDC either. It's up there with many of the stores often listed as "top".
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BWAHAHAHA! Seriously? You think that GP is above SM and TDC? Tell me one designer you can think of that left SM or TDC for GP! I can name several for you that left GP for SM and TDC... What Kool Aid are you drinking?
That is so not how I thought that would turn out. GP, SBG, & SO are so close! I thought GP would be closer to SM & TDC. And I thought 9&B would be ranked much lower since they are a new store!
BWAHAHAHA! Seriously? You think that GP is above SM and TDC? Tell me one designer you can think of that left SM or TDC for GP! I can name several for you that left GP for SM and TDC... What Kool Aid are you drinking?
June 6, 2011 3:02 PM
You don't look very smart with the numbers posted right below your post. GP has 500 more fans than TDC & SM.
This is such a ridiculous argument. You can't rank stores based on FB fan following numbers. You can only rank them on (a) staying power, and (b) sales. I am doubtful that any individual store owner, let alone all store owners, will be willing to come here and publicly share their annual sales reports. And until/unless that happens, it will be impossible for us to REALLY have this discussion. So move on to staying power... I view this both as (a) has the store stood the test of time? and (b) have the designers in the store, in general terms, done the same (both in that store, and in the industry as a whole)?
Responding to 3:40, very good point. So I took a look at who's selling at GP, and am interested to compare it to the designers at other stores (and, how many of these designers have been at GP for a long period of time?):
A+ Designs Aprilisa Designs Armina Designs Bella Gypsy Colie's Corner Connie Prince Crisdam Designs danimoy designs Etc by Danyale Kathryn Estry Kits4Kids Kristmess Laitha’s Designs Laura Burger Laurie's Scraps & Designs Lindsay Jane LorieM Designs Mye De Leon North Meets South Studios She's Full Of Scrap Silvia Romeo Spinky Dink Scraps Trixie Scraps Designs Wordart World by Jennifer
I don't agree with staying power. 3Scraps is still around.
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If it's still around, there's gotta be a reason. I think that's the point of this whole discussion. What constitutes a "top store"? If a shop persists, it has to have customers. Designers don't do this for free. Or do we all (here at this blog and elsewhere) get caught labeling certain places as the "top shops" based just on what we, personally, like? And our tastes?
I'm not the OP of this discussion/argument, but this has become interesting to me. I have always viewed the top shops as places like SBG, TDC, SO, SSD, SM, even 2Ps etc. But why? That's the root of the discussion. Is it because that's what I like, and they have it? Or is it because those really, truly, are the top places to sell that everyone else gravitates toward? I'm very curious to know how all of their sales compare.
BWAHAHAHA! Seriously? You think that GP is above SM and TDC? Tell me one designer you can think of that left SM or TDC for GP! I can name several for you that left GP for SM and TDC... What Kool Aid are you drinking? __________
This is SOOOO true. I can't think of one designer who left a place like SM or TDC to go to GP. It just doesn't happen, it's always the other way around. Which leads you to believe that sales have got to be a lot better at the SM's and TDC's (either that, or designers just can't handle working for GP mgmt, which has been brought up here before on many many occasions).
At least half of the designers at GP have been there for more than 2 years. The majority seem to be willing to consistently let their product sell for $1.00.
I spend too much time on my products to sell them for a dollar. Lots of dollar sales at GP all the time.
9th & Bloom just had that big fan base surge from NSD, though. I, personally, liked then unliked them to get the freebie. I don't follow people on Facebook and don't want to. I also wasn't impressed.
I'm a designer with a small Facebook fan base. I outsell designers with fan bases 5 times mine and more. It's all about what type of product you make and who your customers are. Mine don't waste time on Facebook.
Anyone who is choosing "top tier" stores - or choosing which designers to take on at their store - by looking at Facebook alone is seriously retarded.
Once you take out all the designers, their CT members, and all the designers friends, freebie hunters, etc... how many customers are actually left?
Someone pointed out site traffic not too long ago and 9th & Bloom was exactly where I figured they would be - at the bottom. I don't know Lizzy, but I have no doubt she's nicer than Stacy at GP. But nice doesn't = customers.
At least half of the designers at GP have been there for more than 2 years. The majority seem to be willing to consistently let their product sell for $1.00.
I spend too much time on my products to sell them for a dollar. Lots of dollar sales at GP all the time.
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Makes you think: Do they sell their kits if they are NOT $1. Would customers even visit anymore?
You don't look very smart with the numbers posted right below your post. GP has 500 more fans than TDC & SM.
This really is messin' with some people isn't it?
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Hahahahaha. No, it's not messing with my world view. It's this:
3:54: "Anyone who is choosing "top tier" stores - or choosing which designers to take on at their store - by looking at Facebook alone is seriously retarded."
Your # of FB fans means that you have been out pimpping your FB fan page and forcing people to sign up for it. It's no indicator of how many sales you actually have or how popular your site is!
And of those hundreds of fans, how many are DESIGNERS? Looking at my friends who are fans of the same pages I'm fans of (which shows up on the right sidebar), I'd say a lot.
Who gives a hoot who has a better store really? Well, I guess if you play the popularity game, then yes you would give a hoot. I've been out of high school for 10+ years now and popularity doesn't do a thing for me. And for the record, I've seen plenty of shitty, copycat designers at these so-called "top tier" stores. ------------
Amen! I can't believe we are having the whole idiotic top tier store discussion, again! What, this is the 100th time in two months? *sarcasm by the way*
Traffic to a site does not indicate real time popularity nor does it indicate customers, it just indicates traffic.
Fans on FB pages do not equal a customer base or whether it's top tier or not.
Let it go, please, for the love of smack, let it go!!
And how many designers have we seen move on from supposed top stores? It happens and leaves us stumped on this blog. They get smacked for their choice.
Everyone has their niche. If they are smart they stay put once they find it and stop looking for greener pastures. ------------
I think though that we would agree with most of those fan numbers as ranking if GP wasn't involved. And I'm sure many find Divine Digital's fanbase disturbing as well. (both literally and figuratively)
It is shakin' up reality. I can tell because the shit is really hitting the fan and people are defensive. If it doesn't matter, why fight so hard?
The only real indication given that you can't use FB fanbase for "popularity" indicators was the example of 9&B doing a fan drive which would skew the numbers. But I think that people would have already unliked them if they didn't find the feed useful. I couldn't find anything like that with GP.
Here's something to consider about the argument of designers leaving GP to go to TDC or SM. What if they have the wrong perception of sales at both stores, just like many of us do? They might think that it will be better but it really isn't. Afterall, store owners are reluctant to tell designers what the sales will be because they can't make promises like that.
Your # of FB fans means that you have been out pimpping your FB fan page and forcing people to sign up for it. It's no indicator of how many sales you actually have or how popular your site is!
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I have never signed up for a FB because I was asked to or offered a freebie. I do it for the products I like and want more information about. You're mighty assumptive about what is going on in the minds of the people hitting like.
I think though that we would agree with most of those fan numbers as ranking if GP wasn't involved. And I'm sure many find Divine Digital's fanbase disturbing as well. (both literally and figuratively) -----
Er, no. I don't see Divine Digital's FB fan base number? I see their bizinformation numbers, but that's all.
All of you are so hung up on the numbers have got it wrong. Numbers and stats are constantly proven wrong.
I'm a designer with a small Facebook fan base. I outsell designers with fan bases 5 times mine and more. It's all about what type of product you make and who your customers are. Mine don't waste time on Facebook.
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I'm sure you know all the internet habits of your perfect customers? You must only have a few customers then to keep track.
What so many of you are overlooking with the FB numbers is the following:
* designers at the store * CTMs * old fans who never bothered to unlike * people who no longer do FB * people who liked for one freebie and never bothered to unlike
There are a lot of reasons for the numbers, however, they are all completely irrelevant. The only true indicator would be an annual sales report or two. Other from that, you have no way of knowing, only guessing.
And how many designers have we seen move on from supposed top stores? It happens and leaves us stumped on this blog. They get smacked for their choice.
Everyone has their niche. If they are smart they stay put once they find it and stop looking for greener pastures. ------------
The fact is, that sometimes there are greener pastures. And sometimes it's better to move on and find them. There are a lot of differences in store requirements, team attitudes, site maintence and there are good and bad owners. You might end up in a much better place for you.
I had to move a couple times before I could find the right place for me. And I'm so grateful that I did. I love my store now and will be staying where I am for good.
Customers don't care if you have to move stores. If they really like your designs they will follow you to a new store.
The people here who are always bitching about store jumpers are store owners, who are aware that your customers will follow you and other designers who can't go anywhere because no one wants them.
I'm sure you know all the internet habits of your perfect customers? You must only have a few customers then to keep track. June 6, 2011 6:21 PM ----------------------------
Uhhh. You're beyond stupid. The OP clearly stated she has a small fanbase, but has better sales that others with large fanbases. Clearly it doesn't take a genius to figure out her customers aren't on facebook.
I agree with all this numbers talk, too. It's really pointless, but I know stores that actually take on designers based upon their fanbase.
The people here who are always bitching about store jumpers are store owners, who are aware that your customers will follow you and other designers who can't go anywhere because no one wants them. June 6, 2011 6:29 PM
The people here who are always bitching about store jumpers are store owners, who are aware that your customers will follow you and other designers who can't go anywhere because no one wants them. ----------
I'm not a store owner and I do complain about the store jumpers. If someone keeps moving stores a lot, and I mean like six stores in a year, which is what a store jumper is, I won't buy from them. It makes me wonder what's wrong with their product. The constant moving smacks of flakiness and unreliability.
The people here who are always bitching about store jumpers are store owners, who are aware that your customers will follow you and other designers who can't go anywhere because no one wants them.
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You must be a store jumper, am I right? How many stores have you been in your designer career?
Those numbers must really bite for those who keep thinking that DSP and SSD are no good and not top tier. I don't believe in the numbers, but for those who do, whoo boy, you must be so disappointed.
Er, no. I don't see Divine Digital's FB fan base number? I see their bizinformation numbers, but that's all.
All of you are so hung up on the numbers have got it wrong. Numbers and stats are constantly proven wrong.
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No the poster posted about bizrate but then labels the numbers as facebook. If you don't believe the posters go check on FB yourself. Divine Digital now has 1424 fans.
You must be a store jumper, am I right? How many stores have you been in your designer career?
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Four stores during my design career. Three at once before I was exclusive the first year I was designing, two were ok stores and one had a terrible completely absent owner. Then I have been exclusive for almost 3 years at the same store. Does that make me a store jumper? It did take me a year to find the right store. It is hard to be brand new and come in knowing the best place to be and just get automatically accepted there with no experience.
Store owners refuse to give you any actual information before you come in. They might be willing to show you their contract, but they won't tell you what other kinds of expectations they have. They don't tell you how consistent they will be with marketing, or if they will be constantly changing their expectations of the team. They don't tell you if the site CT sucks and doesn't support the site well. They don't tell you if there are major personality conflicts on the team or that they aren't going to pay you on time, or if they won't be responding to customers in a timely manner. Those are things that unfortunately, you have to find out through experience. And if you find those things, it really is ok to move on.
You must be a store owner, am I right? How many designers have used your store as a stepping stone in your store owning career career?
You must be a store owner, am I right? How many designers have used your store as a stepping stone in your store owning career career? -------
Nope, not a store owner, I wouldn't be that stupid. I couldn't deal with all the ungrateful brat designers. As has been pointed out time and time and time again, a store jumper is someone who has been in at least five stores in the space of a year.
Store owners refuse to give you any actual information before you come in. They might be willing to show you their contract, but they won't tell you what other kinds of expectations they have. They don't tell you how consistent they will be with marketing, or if they will be constantly changing their expectations of the team. They don't tell you if the site CT sucks and doesn't support the site well. They don't tell you if there are major personality conflicts on the team or that they aren't going to pay you on time, or if they won't be responding to customers in a timely manner. Those are things that unfortunately, you have to find out through experience. And if you find those things, it really is ok to move on.
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All the store owners I have dealt with have told me this stuff when I asked. You must be doing it wrong or dealing with the wrong kind of owners.
What so many of you are overlooking with the FB numbers is the following:
* designers at the store * CTMs * old fans who never bothered to unlike * people who no longer do FB * people who liked for one freebie and never bothered to unlike
There are a lot of reasons for the numbers, however, they are all completely irrelevant. The only true indicator would be an annual sales report or two. Other from that, you have no way of knowing, only guessing.
June 6, 2011 6:22 PM
They ALL have those factors which means the numbers will be about even.
We don't have the $$$ amounts but it is a pretty good indication of the store's popularity. Sorry that some of you can't handle the truth.
Those numbers must really bite for those who keep thinking that DSP and SSD are no good and not top tier. I don't believe in the numbers, but for those who do, whoo boy, you must be so disappointed. ----------- Disappointed? Are you a complete idiot with nothing more than time on your hands running numbers? OMG..No one cares. As for anyone who feels "disappointed" by your statement-they need to get help...right along with you. Like someone said. Nobody gives a hoot.
Tot hose who keep asking who has ever left SM for GP ... well, Trixi Scraps, Connie Prince and Bella Gypsy left SM when SM tried to make them exclusive ... and stayed at GP. They wouldn't have done that if the SM sales were 'top tier' and the GP sales weren't.
We don't have the $$$ amounts but it is a pretty good indication of the store's popularity. Sorry that some of you can't handle the truth. --------------
That's just it babe, you hit the nail on the head..NOT. The point is that no one cares if it's the friggen truth or not!
Not to change the most interesting topic this blog has ever seen but has anyone ever seen these little monsters somewhere else? I could be wrong but I was just curious.
We don't have the $$$ amounts but it is a pretty good indication of the store's popularity. Sorry that some of you can't handle the truth. -----
What truth are you talking about? I don't see any truth, just a lot of speculation and hopefulness. Unless it's an actual sales report, it's a bogus figure.
Then why are you still here? You must be boring and stupid. ------
If you are indication of interesting and intelligent, then yeah, I'll go for boring and stupid every time. I don't think I could handle being you. That worked up about FB pages and which store is popular and top tier. Wow. I'd shoot myself first if that was the most interesting thing I had to talk about.
Those numbers must really bite for those who keep thinking that DSP and SSD are no good and not top tier. I don't believe in the numbers, but for those who do, whoo boy, you must be so disappointed. ----------- Disappointed? Are you a complete idiot with nothing more than time on your hands running numbers? OMG..No one cares. As for anyone who feels "disappointed" by your statement-they need to get help...right along with you. Like someone said. Nobody gives a hoot. ------
What are you? An idiot? Did you even read what I wrote? I said the numbers were bogus. Man, some people are so dumb.
Pa-leeeze add me to this list. Surely there are better things to gossip about. What part of NO ONE GIVES A HOOT don't you you get?
June 6, 2011 8:04 PM
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That's just it babe, you hit the nail on the head..NOT. The point is that no one cares if it's the friggen truth or not!
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I don't care for the topic at hand either, but that seems to be the current discussion. I don't have a anything different to offer, do you? Start your own topic of conversation. If it takes off great. If not then you can stfu as well. Your complaints are just as annoying as any other boring topic of conversation. Would you prefer blog silence? If so then don't come for a while. It will be exactly the same and guaranteed, no one will miss you.
I'm don't get why it is so hard to believe that it shows a customer base. It's more than traffic because it's a human making a choice to fan them. Why would designers and stores even offer freebies or advertise there if it wasn't worth anything? How about if every designer and store just shuts it down since it is so meaningless? I can tell you at least 5 times that I went to a store from FB because of something they advertised and it wasn't a freebie either. I'm not on CTs, I'm not a designer. Just a customer.
Not to change the most interesting topic this blog has ever seen but has anyone ever seen these little monsters somewhere else? I could be wrong but I was just curious.
Tot hose who keep asking who has ever left SM for GP ... well, Trixi Scraps, Connie Prince and Bella Gypsy left SM when SM tried to make them exclusive ... and stayed at GP. They wouldn't have done that if the SM sales were 'top tier' and the GP sales weren't.
I'm don't get why it is so hard to believe that it shows a customer base. It's more than traffic because it's a human making a choice to fan them. ------
I don't get what you don't get it's not a good indicator of a customer base. It's just fans. It doesn't necessarily translate into customers.
It doesn't necessarily not translate into customers. -------
Until you can prove otherwise, they are just fans. I can prove they are fans, because it's called a "fan page", not a customer page. Operatie word is "fan". See, I provided proof, now where's yours?
GP has a bigger FB advertising audience than SM and TDC. They reach more potential customers. They have a higher chance of sales.
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Please note the use of the words 'potential' and 'chance' in your statement. I don't shop at any of those places, so I don't have a dog in this fight, just trying to make a point about FB pages.
Please note the use of the words 'potential' and 'chance' in your statement. I don't shop at any of those places, so I don't have a dog in this fight, just trying to make a point about FB pages.
June 6, 2011 8:31 PM
When it comes to advertising, it is always potential and chance. That's all that FB fan pages are really about.
Because of all this blathering I decided to become a fan of a few different stores on Facebook to see what I was missing. I just searched for SO's fan page and I got 3 different results. Their fan page has 1,731 fans, but another one of their pages has 687 friends and the third one is a group with 191 members. Then out of curiosity I looked up GP and there was only 1 result. I'm thinking it's probable that not all of SO's friends and group members are also fans. There might be people who think they're signed up for the fan page but they're not. It's impossible to tell how that's skewed their numbers. And before you say it, I don't have anything to do with SO. Just making an observation about how the numbers can be wrong.
Tot hose who keep asking who has ever left SM for GP ... well, Trixi Scraps, Connie Prince and Bella Gypsy left SM when SM tried to make them exclusive ... and stayed at GP. They wouldn't have done that if the SM sales were 'top tier' and the GP sales weren't. ------------------
OMG, you seriously have to be kidding me. You're arguing that Trixie, Connie, and BG left SM to go to GP because it was better?! Hell no. Connie, in particular, is someone who makes high-quality, run-of-the mill generic designs and churns them out in varying color palettes week after week. The more stores she is in, the more money she makes. We might all knock her on this blog b/c she isn't the most creative designer out there, but she's one hell of a businesswoman who has found a niche and exploited the hell out of it. Did she leave SM for GP?! No effing way. She STAYED at GP because GP allowed her to have multiple stores, and she needs more stores in order to make more money. She has always been in at least 3-4 stores at a time. If SM hadn't forced exclusivity, she never would have left.
Those 3 didn't leave SM for GP. Please don't insult our intelligence. If you're going to throw an argument into this discussion, at least make sure it's based in fact.
Again, I beg someone to show me even ONE instance of a designer actually LEAVING a store like the aforementioned, in order to land at GP. Anyone?
"But most of us don't buy just because the store or product is "popular". It has to match our style as well." ------------------------------
This is true for me. For example, I read so much about 9th&Bloom, but was disappointed when I looked thru the store. The designs didn't appeal to me (on the day that I looked, maybe different now), but I guess my taste/style is different from the others who rave about it.
I've been known to bitch about store hoppers, and I'm a scrapper not an owner. I bitch because those kits I bought are worthless to me as soon as the designer leaves because I can't use her stuff for challenges any more.
I've been known to bitch about store hoppers, and I'm a scrapper not an owner. I bitch because those kits I bought are worthless to me as soon as the designer leaves because I can't use her stuff for challenges any more.
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You only buy kits in order to do challenges? That's weird. I buy kits because I will actually use them to scrap my photos. Buying something just to get a chance to WIN/EARN/GET something seems really dumb. Buy it because you like and and will use it. Then, if you can also benefit by using it for a challenge, great. But it's not worthless if you can't use it for a challenge. It's perfectly good. Your thinking is bass-ackwards.
9th and Bloom is an odd duck (agreeing with 9:22). Lizzy is soo nice and so are the people in the forum. The collabs are THE BEST!, and yet when it's time to spend money and I *want* to shop there, I can't find anything that goes with the photos I have to scrap. I'll come on here and say how much I love 9th and Bloom, but the truth is I am a fan, but not a spender there.
New Topic: Oscraps. To me, there isn't a better store anywhere, and I'm surprised anybody could care less whether SO or GP is more popular. Talk about "who cares?"! And yet O has fewer than 700 FB fans.
New Topic: Oscraps. To me, there isn't a better store anywhere, and I'm surprised anybody could care less whether SO or GP is more popular. Talk about "who cares?"! And yet O has fewer than 700 FB fans.
June 6, 2011 9:43 PM
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I don't think they promote themselves enough. So they really aren't as popular as they were when they first opened years ago.
^^^^^^^ The previews at Oscraps always seem muddled to me. Not sure why...maybe the colors are too muted for my taste. And the elements definitely don't pop enough for me to want to buy them based on the previews. I have worked with their designers' stuff when they've done collabs with designers I CT for and I never found any glaring quality issues. I guess it's just a taste thing.
This is true for me. For example, I read so much about 9th&Bloom, but was disappointed when I looked thru the store. The designs didn't appeal to me (on the day that I looked, maybe different now), but I guess my taste/style is different from the others who rave about it. ---------
I'll come on here and say how much I love 9th and Bloom, but the truth is I am a fan, but not a spender there. --------------
Thanks for saying that. It's more proof that the number of fans does not equal the number of customers. I'm the same with some stores, I like the store, but for some reason, I don't shop at them.
New Topic: Oscraps. To me, there isn't a better store anywhere, and I'm surprised anybody could care less whether SO or GP is more popular. Talk about "who cares?"! And yet O has fewer than 700 FB fans.
June 6, 2011 9:43 PM
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I don't think they promote themselves enough. So they really aren't as popular as they were when they first opened years ago. ------------
I kinda agree. I think they have a more loyal customer base, rather than a popular one. In the end, loyalty will win, so I don't think they are that concerned about being popular. Certainly a lot of their designers seem to stay on, which says something.
The previews at Oscraps always seem muddled to me. Not sure why...maybe the colors are too muted for my taste. ---------------
I think it's because they are an old school style store. They don't have a store look or packaging. So many stores have a sameness about them with the previews, that we are used to it now. In the old days, that didn't happen, designers had their own distinct look. Nowadays, while not all stores have a store packaging, the previews seem to be the same anyway.
Anonymous said... 9th and Bloom is an odd duck (agreeing with 9:22). Lizzy is soo nice and so are the people in the forum. The collabs are THE BEST!, and yet when it's time to spend money and I *want* to shop there, I can't find anything that goes with the photos I have to scrap. I'll come on here and say how much I love 9th and Bloom, but the truth is I am a fan, but not a spender there.
-------------------------------- Lizzy is a true gem and I just love her to pieces. I think she is very professional and keeps her forum fun. I personally buy from there frequently because I love the designs! Everyone has different likes and wants such as some love to buy from SSD, but I personally find them too cookie cutter for me. I would rather have a variety and some uniqueness!
K-Studio left Catscrap and is selling exclusively at her own store. I personally was shocked. Kristen and Shen were really really close. Kristen wrote that she left CS with a very heavy heart. So im wondering why she left? Anyone know?
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Where did she write that? I looked on her blog and FB and didn't find anything. I wonder what happened.
Haha. You're still talking about me and I'm just living my life. The internet DOES really matter to you. Sad. Anyway! Its my birthday! Happy birthday to meeeeeee! From the little bit I went back and read, you all are so wrong its not even funny. But I'm not going to ruin your fun. Have fun!
Studio Demo said... Haha. You're still talking about me and I'm just living my life. The internet DOES really matter to you. Sad. Anyway! Its my birthday! Happy birthday to meeeeeee! From the little bit I went back and read, you all are so wrong its not even funny. But I'm not going to ruin your fun. Have fun!
June 7, 2011 9:33 AM ----------
Thanks for coming back. But no, we've moved on to a new boring topic. Thanks for playing.
I am curious. I have never shopped at GP. Are there any good designers at GP? __________
Why don't you go to their site and browse around and decide for yourself? Or, check the posts above yours and you will find an entire list of the site's designers. We just had a long conversation about that site (which lasted WAAAAY too long, I think we will all agree), and we've moved on. We're not your personal shopping assistants.
Studio Demo said... Haha. You're still talking about me and I'm just living my life. The internet DOES really matter to you. Sad. Anyway! Its my birthday! Happy birthday to meeeeeee! From the little bit I went back and read, you all are so wrong its not even funny. But I'm not going to ruin your fun. Have fun!
June 7, 2011 9:33 AM ----------
Thanks for coming back. But no, we've moved on to a new boring topic. Thanks for playing.
^^^^^^^^^ PLEASE PEOPLE STOP RESPONDING TO HER. NOW WE CAN ALL BE ASSURED THAT SHE WILL POST AT LEAST ONE MORE TIME. IGNORE, AND SHE'LL GO AWAY.
K-Studio left Catscrap and is selling exclusively at her own store. I personally was shocked. Kristen and Shen were really really close. Kristen wrote that she left CS with a very heavy heart. So im wondering why she left? Anyone know?
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Where did she write that? I looked on her blog and FB and didn't find anything. I wonder what happened.
June 7, 2011 9:26 AM
It was in her newsletter last week. Plus her shop is gone from CS.
PLEASE PEOPLE STOP RESPONDING TO HER. NOW WE CAN ALL BE ASSURED THAT SHE WILL POST AT LEAST ONE MORE TIME. IGNORE, AND SHE'LL GO AWAY. -------- What's the point of not talking to me if you continuously talk about me? What's the difference. They both can trigger a response from me. But please continue. Its fun to watch you speculate no matter how wrong you are. You aren't hurting me at all so please...continue.
Studio Demo said... PLEASE PEOPLE STOP RESPONDING TO HER. NOW WE CAN ALL BE ASSURED THAT SHE WILL POST AT LEAST ONE MORE TIME. IGNORE, AND SHE'LL GO AWAY. -------- What's the point of not talking to me if you continuously talk about me? What's the difference. They both can trigger a response from me. But please continue. Its fun to watch you speculate no matter how wrong you are. You aren't hurting me at all so please...continue.
What's the point of not talking to me if you continuously talk about me? What's the difference. They both can trigger a response from me. But please continue. Its fun to watch you speculate no matter how wrong you are. You aren't hurting me at all so please...continue.
June 7, 2011 10:02 AM
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WTF is wrong with you? You need attention that much?
Oh shucks. And I thought facebook fan count was a boring enough topic. Now with SD showing up again, can we please go back to find out more about the bottom tier stores' traffic?
You only buy kits in order to do challenges? That's weird. I buy kits because I will actually use them to scrap my photos. Buying something just to get a chance to WIN/EARN/GET something seems really dumb. Buy it because you like and and will use it. Then, if you can also benefit by using it for a challenge, great. But it's not worthless if you can't use it for a challenge. It's perfectly good. Your thinking is bass-ackwards.
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Yes, but I'm not shamed by it. I buy way more kits than I can ever scrap with. I buy them because I love them, not because I want to scrap with them at the exact time of purchase. I am not highly motivated, and yes, the challenge points motivate me. I am the average customer at your store.
Oh shucks. And I thought facebook fan count was a boring enough topic. Now with SD showing up again, can we please go back to find out more about the bottom tier stores' traffic? __________
Yes, but I'm not shamed by it. I buy way more kits than I can ever scrap with. I buy them because I love them, not because I want to scrap with them at the exact time of purchase. I am not highly motivated, and yes, the challenge points motivate me. I am the average customer at your store. -------------- Dang, I wish you were the average customer. It would be awesome for all of us designers if the majority of our customers were buying "way more kits than I can ever scrap with."
I don't put much faith in facebook numbers. Not business related but I have 72 fb friends. My girlfriend has 458 fb friends. Yet she is always whining about being bored and having no friends. Facebook friends are not necessarily true "friends" just like Facebook fans are not necessarily "customers".
Some sites I frequent: Designer Digitals - 1134 Digital Scrapper - 545 Big Picture Classes - 3538 Cottage Arts - can't find on FB Jessica Sprague - FB is personal account not business
I'm not their FB fans but I buy from them.
Holly McCaig Creative 2,553
I am a fan but I have never purchased from her yet.
I am just an average scrapper, not a designer. I am not active on any CT's, although I have been in the past. I am not active in any "scrapbook community", I don't post on the message boards, and I don't post my layouts online anymore. I read the Digi boards for entertainment, and am constantly amazed at what people share on the internet. I freely admit to reading the scrapbook smack blogs, it is a guilty pleasure.
You can email me at: DSTHallofFame@gmail.com
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 2452 Newer› Newest»Regarding the "studio demo" girl changing names & applying at new stores ----> Wouldn't the stores know her real name anyways?? Don't the stores need the designers to fill out documentation for tax purposes??
You can't sell at a digi store using a fake name, can you??
"the store should have changed the passwords."
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Do designers have access to other designer's stuff usually???
Or just access to their own designs?
I'm not familiar with how access works when you are a designer at a consignment digi store, but wouldn't it be dangerous for any one person to have access to other designers digi designs??
Thanks.
she is going by Alyssa DeMoraes Wade presently.
http://www.facebook.com/alyssadem0
as for ftp stuff, some stores have a collaborative login for the server to be able to post collab portions for the month. otherwise each designer has their own individual login to the server and the site itself.
but wouldn't it be dangerous for any one person to have access to other designers digi designs??
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I've been in several stores and have had access to the other designers goodies. Never had a problem. Contrary to what people think, most designers are honest.
Regarding the "studio demo" girl changing names & applying at new stores ----> Wouldn't the stores know her real name anyways?? Don't the stores need the designers to fill out documentation for tax purposes??
You can't sell at a digi store using a fake name, can you??
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You'd be surprised how many shops out there don't verify anything or care about much when it comes to that. Several shops don't even have a simple business license. It's just some person who put a site together and took in designers.
Just because they filled out some paperwork it doesn't mean they filled it out truthfully.
You'd be surprised how many shops out there don't verify anything or care about much when it comes to that. Several shops don't even have a simple business license. It's just some person who put a site together and took in designers.
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Probably the newer stores. The older stores were far more conscientious about that stuff.
stores that do collabs have two ftp accounts for each designer. one for their own product uploads, and one for the team collab. every designer in the store would have access to the collab ftp, and yes - every designer would have access to the other designers parts of the collab to download or delete at will. Its a trust issue with most shops. you never expect someone like Demo to come along and ruin things for you. Expecially older shops - that she went back and deleted her parts to older collabs was downright dirty. but then again - the shop owners are also at fault on this one. Demo's access should have been changed the day that she was no longer associated with whichever shop had this happen.
but wouldn't it be dangerous for any one person to have access to other designers digi designs??
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Designers have access to the store collab ftp, usually, and that's where SD deleted the collabs from.
At the stores I sold at I had access to my files and a file to upload my collab contributions.
Great, so now every new designer that pops up will be SD. And a few of you will STALK her every move including jobs that aren't related to Digi. It's Amanda all over again.
Keep talking about it (especially in relation to digtal scrapbooking)! But remember there's a point where you are just as crazy.
"Great, so now every new designer that pops up will be SD."
Nah...not really. As long as they don't put a comma behind their "but" they'll be fine. LOL
I thought that was a fairly common error but, maybe I'm wrong?
;)
As if there is not enough confusion with CU and CU4CU, now we can have CU4CU4CU:
http://scrappinhens.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=523&products_id=3654
My head is spinning now.
Anonymous said...
As if there is not enough confusion with CU and CU4CU, now we can have CU4CU4CU:
http://scrappinhens.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=523&products_id=3654
My head is spinning now.
June 5, 2011 10:22 AM
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Fucking taggers, what do you expect
Fucking taggers, what do you expect
June 5, 2011 10:26 AM
aw come on now taggers are scrappers too
/end sarcasism
Don't the stores have backups just for cases like this?
Don't the stores have backups just for cases like this?
June 5, 2011 10:42 AM
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Maybe. It still doesn't mean it wasn't a PIA to get that back.
Fucking taggers, what do you expect
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I looked at the store. They have full size and tagger size.
Give taggers a break. They were around long before digi scrapping. Some are very creative. And no I am not a tagger.
Don't the stores have backups just for cases like this?
June 5, 2011 10:42 AM
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Maybe. It still doesn't mean it wasn't a PIA to get that back.
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This just doesn't even make sense. The shared FTP is usually just a place to upload their portion of the collab. Once the product is compiled by the owner and put into the store, it should be stored on another FTP. I've never heard of the finished collabs being available on the shared FTP (not that it doesn't happen, but it seems unwise). So if she deleted collab parts, I would have thought she was just deleting something that wasn't live yet anyway (currently being worked on), in which case it wouldn't affect customers and even though a PIA, it would have just required each designer to upload their portion again.
^How about if you read what was posted?! You'll argue about anything even when you are arguing with the wrong thing...
1. The question was about *back-up*, not about how the files were stored on the FTP.
2. My response was to that question. If there was a back-up it could be a PIA to get it back. It's a PIA to have files missing in the first place.
I agree that it doesn't make sense that a back-up was needed. The person that created the preview would have it on their HD. Or it's even possible that the entire story was made up because not too many stores are set-up to give designers access to those files. But some stores aren't very smart...
It still would be a PIA to reupload. It's always a PIA to have to re-do things.
Great, so now every new designer that pops up will be SD.
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Nah, only ones named Tiffany or Alyssa but, I could be wrong :)
This just doesn't even make sense. The shared FTP is usually just a place to upload their portion of the collab. Once the product is compiled by the owner and put into the store, it should be stored on another FTP. I've never heard of the finished collabs being available on the shared FTP (not that it doesn't happen, but it seems unwise). So if she deleted collab parts, I would have thought she was just deleting something that wasn't live yet anyway (currently being worked on), in which case it wouldn't affect customers and even though a PIA, it would have just required each designer to upload their portion again.
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I've been in 5 stores, and every single one of them keeps the finished collab on the shared FTP and links to that FTP from the live product in store. It's not as uncommon as you think, though I'd agree that it has been shown to be unwise.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/scrap-talk-65/studio-demo-279383/
A customer is asking of Studio Demo at DST -- not to complain but to probably buy more kits.
So who's gonna do the honor of telling her what's been going on?
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Dunno, but Jewel The Queen just posted.
Someone should reply to the Studio Demo thread with a link to tffanydazzle.me
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Why? That person is just going to look like an idiot.
Somebody likely from here posted something. Not disclosing much, but just a tiny teaser.
The paypal Alyssa uses is registered under the name Janet Durham. Alyssa has used the alias Tiffany. Tiffany Dazzles "name" is Tiffany Durham. Coincidence? Doubt it. It's quite obvious Alyssa is Tiffany Dazzles so I'm not sure why you say that person would look like an idiot.
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Because they won't have the background of this blog, that's why. Duh.
The paypal Alyssa uses is registered under the name Janet Durham. Alyssa has used the alias Tiffany. Tiffany Dazzles "name" is Tiffany Durham. Coincidence? Doubt it. It's quite obvious Alyssa is Tiffany Dazzles so I'm not sure why you say that person would look like an idiot.
June 5, 2011 10:37 PM
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If you think it's such a great idea, why don't you do it? You could be the hero!
I cannot believe that anyone is still chasing this girl around. It's certainly been established that she has some issues to deal with but its gone too far. It's serious bullying now. Let it go. I'm all for outing the wrong - her included but when is it enough? Her outside life or future jobs, or kids or family or whatever ARE NONE OF OUR BUSINESS. Yes, maybe some are just warning her that her name can be easily googled and will follow her but that's where the line needs to be drawn. Talking about her breasts, calling her names, intimidating her where her furture is concerned, etc. Wow, if this was my kid (and I do think she's probably a child) I would feel terrible. Even is she did mess up.
As for you SD - Im not bashing you but clearly you have some issues that need to be carefully looked at. Do yourself a favor and stay far from this blog. It will not only eat you alive but not help if you are truly dealing with some kind of emotional/mental issues. Some people here are going to call you out..and I'm sorry to say but rightfully so! And then others are going to go to the absolute extremes and actually follow you to your next job outside of digital design. You need to stop now. Stop and think..is there a single benefit to coming here everyday and reading and interacting? Absolutely not! You made your bed and they're minds are made up. An act of God won't change any of that. Right or wrong, you need to walk away. Period. I don't want to see this go any further. I'd hate to see anything get worse for you. Trust me, I'm not on your side or the posters of this blog. I'm just saying..it's gone beyond ugly. Just go sweetie. Run and dont look back.
Wow, if this was my kid (and I do think she's probably a child) I would feel terrible. Even is she did mess up.
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Well, that would be because of a lot of it would be your fault as a parent, wouldn't it?
This post is interesting:
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/2904125-post9.html
It's interesting because I had noticed that SD was having a CT call almost every three or four months. Not for guest CTMs, but for new CTMs. Who does that?
^Designers that want an active CT. Most CTMs start out motivated and then lose the motivation after being on the team. Also, many CT's have a 3 month contract. That means that a call is going to happen every 3 months.
I don't think there's a scandal in this situation. Even if they did shut out CTMs, it was probably because they weren't doing their job.
I was on the Demo CT for a short time and I can say that Naz was the most dedicated CTM on the team. I honestly can't believe they just shut their CT out. Knowing that just confirms my gut feeling about those girls.
I didn't like how the CT was run, so I left before they started having a call every 2 months. They would give you kits the day they released them expecting LOs done that day OR they wouldn't give you any kits to work with (new or old), but expected blog posts every day.
Demo herself would post every few weeks about thinking about retiring, so you never knew what would happen. Half the time she wasn't even in the forum for weeks on end saying she was out of town or on vacation, but you'd see her being chatty elsewhere.
If the designer isn't going to make time to get her own products to her own CT, why would anyone be dedicated?
I wasn't judging the CT (Naz or even you) and their actions. I was explaining what may have happened. I think it's a crazy to try to find a scandal in something so mundane and typical. I know a couple designers that outsed the CT. It doesn't mean that everyone was bad, just that they wanted a fresh start.
She's done enough to bury herself. Why try to dig up crap that doesn't even matter?
Bean Bunny's real name is Janet. Is that just coincidence? Or are they really 2 different designers?
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I wonder if the store owner where BeanBunny sells would consider checking into that. It is bad enough if StudioDemo and TiffanyDazzle are one person, but what if BeanBunny is still a third persona?
BeanBunny's real name is actually Linda Janet Avilia, and she goes by Janet. She's not Alyssa or Tiffany, she just has the misfortune of being associated with the whole mess. Janet Durham is Alyssa's mother.
Names can be faked. IPs might tell another story.
Is it me or is Gotta Pixel going down the drain with the new management system? Seems to me over the years that personal touch is gone and so many designers with rabid ct members over saturating every site out there. I did see a couple cute kits but think my money could be better spent with designers who still have the caring touch left in them. I know it is rare but some designers still have a genuine touch left in them.
It looks like Bean Bunny's store at Polka Dot Plum has been closed within the past 24 hours. Her store at SUN is still open though.
Is it me or is Gotta Pixel going down the drain with the new management system?
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It's just you.
Good thing there's other store out there, right?
the caring touch left in them.
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um, I also thought they were a bunch of designers who were good at piecing together CU and recoloring. (I don't have a problem with that if it's all cute!) Before that, the store just sucked with a bunch of Grandma designs.
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GP still has some grandma designs in it.
That store always manages to have one or two almost-but not quite-standout designers. Who stay for a while, and then leave under machine gun fire and grenades thrown by the owner. I think it will always be a store in the middle. Too bad because as crazy as the owner is, she has always tried really hard to make it a top store.
Does someone new own it now?
Well, that would be because of a lot of it would be your fault as a parent, wouldn't it?
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I guess you have a pretty good point (and thank you for being nice about it. As a parent I've never been perfect and have definitely screwed up but I'd still feel bad. Wouldnt you? And sometimes the parent is not to blame and the kid is just screwed up even with the best parenting. That said, I would feel bad but then be quite concerned about her behavior and not be happy with it..even if I did feel bad.
That store always manages to have one or two almost-but not quite-standout designers. Who stay for a while, and then leave under machine gun fire and grenades thrown by the owner. I think it will always be a store in the middle. Too bad because as crazy as the owner is, she has always tried really hard to make it a top store.
Does someone new own it now?
No, not a new owner right now but a new manager in place who makes Stacy look mild in comparison. I am sure she is being primed to own the place because her Prima Donna attitude is in place and all that is lacking is her tiara!
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Who is the new manager? Too bad she's being such a PIA. There are IMO, some good designers at GP right now. If the new manager acts like a crazy bitch she's going to run them all out of there pretty quickly. I'm sure that there are other stores out there that would be happy to snatch them up!
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she said snatch, heh heh heh
If you go by FB fans, GP is not middle tier.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/scrap-talk-65/scrappers-choice-awards-278481/
She's still waiting. Someone go put her out of her misery.
You go right ahead!
If you go by FB fans, GP is not middle tier.
June 6, 2011 12:20 PM
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No I don't go by FB fans. Lots of stores have promoted their fan page really well. They run promotions to get fans, and give away freebies once they hit a certain level of fans. I give GP an A+ for marketing their fan page though.
I think GP is middle tier based on the general level of designer skills and appeal. GP has some good designers, but they also have some pretty blah designers. The blah designers will never leave. Sadly, the good ones will leave eventually. They always do.
Maybe they are better at promoting their FB page than others. Or not. There's really no proof that's what causes their numbers. Most people pick-up the promo items and then "unlike". You can't deny the fan numbers though since they aren't running a freebie right now.
The freebie hunters will hit like and keep it because they know that GP asks their designers to give away so many freebies. They know they will get more.
I find GPs marketing to be annoying. Stores that send out a newsletter every single day and give out a daily freebie seem desperate to me. Good stores with good designs, don't have to do that to keep subscribers and customers.
GP has come a long way in the last few years. They have a lot of good designers now. They don't have to keep giving out daily freebies to get the customers. Maybe if the owner/manager were to back off the designers with the constant requirements, they would be willing to stick around. Or at least they wouldn't publicly bash the owner at DST when they do leave.
Gotta Pixel is absolutely NOT a top-tier store. It's a store for beginner digiscrappers, who unload their money there until they learn what's really available in digiland. GP has got a few really good designers right now, who will probably leave within the next few months (case in point: Etc By Danyale recently opened up at The Digichick, so my guess is she won't last long). The rest of the less-creative run-of-the-mill designers are the type who cater to beginners and people who haven't learned about all that the digi community has to offer. Back in the day, even I got my start at shops like GP. Then I learned about the more unique, artistic designers at some of the top stores, and I haven't shopped at GP since. Customers' tastes will always evolve past a place like GP because they don't offer much that's unique.
I sub to GP on FB and haven't gotten any notifications of freebies for a very long time? Did you even look at their wall before posting?
If the designer posts it to the GP wall, it doesn't show up in the fans' feeds. Just FYI.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/scrap-talk-65/scrappers-choice-awards-278481/
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Ripal said "This is what I get for being quiet around here and do my own thing in my little corner!"
Thanks for posting over at DST but we all know you are a frequent reader/poster over here and don't always stay in your "own little corner" LOL
So 1:15, who do you consider top-tier then? Please share your artistic designers with us.
Must be a lot of GP designers who read this blog. I know that Stacy reads and posts here. Sorry that it hurts your feelings that people don't see GP as top tier like you do. I'll give a rating of upper-middle class. Does that make you feel any better?
Sorry, not even a GP customer. I think the FB numbers give us some feedback about customer base at each store. They have more than SO. And SO does give out freebies regularly too. They often come up in the top-tier discussions...
But you can choose not to believe the numbers. That's fine. You can go with your "feelings".
Wow, reading all of this about Studio Demo is just crazy! What a loon! And I do know Lizzy personally and I know for a fact that she is too classy to worry about Studio Demo and all of her other personas! Sounds like someone needs some serious help and some meds maybe. It amazes me the stuff that can come from designers. Maybe someone should open a store called "We R' Nuts."
"I cannot believe that anyone is still chasing this girl around...."
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I have to agree with the above. I only come over here once in a blue to see who's name pops up (who doesn't love a lil' drama right?)but I always run the other way when this kind of thing gets as ugly as it's gotten. As a designer SD did take it too far BUT I just don't understand the logic in the extreme bullying on either side. I guess if this was my kid I'd have her checked by a doctor immediately, put a stop to the computer usage and then feel bad for her too. Surely it's nobody's biz what she does after this.
So 1:15, who do you consider top-tier then? Please share your artistic designers with us.
June 6, 2011 1:19 PM
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I'm not 1:15 but I'll answer this.
I'd say Jenn Barrette thinks that SSD is a top tier store. I'd agree with her.
Apparently Rachel thinks 9&B is a top tier store. Not sure I'd agree, but it is way better than GP when it comes to design talent and non-bitchy owners.
Lara Banasiak (Simply Scraps) seems to have found a top tier store at SO.
Amy Sumrall apparently decided that TLP was a top tier store. She has since retired.
I can actually think of several other designers that made a name while at GP but then moved on to bigger and better things. If GP was a top tier store, wouldn't they still be there?
This top tier store/designer debate is pointless since we all have different tastes. Where I might think is a top tier store the last poster might say is complete trash.
9&B & SSD are top tier according to FB fan base. But GP only trials them by 200 fans. They have more than SO.
I'm not saying that GP is THE top store. It's just not trailing as far behind as SM & TDC either. It's up there with many of the stores often listed as "top".
But you can choose not to believe the numbers. That's fine. You can go with your "feelings".
June 6, 2011 1:22 PM
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I'm not basing my opinion on feelings alone. There's a good chance I have had some experience with GP and have since moved on myself to bigger and better things.
Honestly, sales are ok at GP, but not great. Designers are required to do so many extra bonus things for the store that you don't get paid for, that it isn't worth it. The owner is constantly changing the rules as she goes along to suit herself and because she is obsessed with becoming a "top-tier" store.
So since you aren't even a "customer" there, I guess it might be you is is going by "feelings" rather than facts.
Anyone who works at it can get high FB fan numbers. It's not that impressive.
Someone should reply to the Studio Demo thread with a link to tffanydazzle.me
Good heavens. Since you have nothing more to do but keep hoping for more drama with SD then why don't you do it? Give it a break already. I'm bored to death already with SD.
This top tier store/designer debate is pointless since we all have different tastes. Where I might think is a top tier store the last poster might say is complete trash.
June 6, 2011 1:30 PM
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You're only right in that your taste doesn't reflect sales in another store. I don't like the TLP. It doesn't change their FB fan base nor there sales.
I goes there could be more than one scope to the many of top-tier. But I always thought it meant popularity and sales.
11:28 Connie Prince is managing GP now. Her designs are meh but she tries in the designing field. As for managerial material she lacks it all and has let it go to her head. As for GP being upper tier, I disagree. It is a starting point for better things to come once a designer gets confidence or has had enough of the dictator roles of those in charge who would do better to develop a style rather than thinking they are something special.
But PROVE to me that GP has worked any harder than any other store to get a higher fan base. I don't think they could do it unless they had that broad of a customer base. I truly believe a certain percentage of those numbers are regular customers for each store.
You're only right in that your taste doesn't reflect sales in another store. I don't like the TLP. It doesn't change their FB fan base nor there sales.
I goes there could be more than one scope to the many of top-tier. But I always thought it meant popularity and sales.
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I guess as far as taste its a matter of opinion. As far as sales, it's a matter of fact. Still, none of it impresses me. I buy from quality designers no matter where they are. Not because the popularity or sales figures at a store.
I don't need to prove it to you. You can keep on believing that your store is a top store if it makes you feel better. I'll just keep watching the good designers move on to greener pastures. But who knows, maybe those boring designers that have been at GP for years and years are the real money makers.
There's a good chance I have had some experience with GP and have since moved on myself to bigger and better things.
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There's a good change you could be lying to.
It would really screw up some people's digital world if GP was ranked higher than SO!
Those numbers posted a few days ago really make me wonder if there is something to that information.
Who gives a hoot who has a better store really? Well, I guess if you play the popularity game, then yes you would give a hoot. I've been out of high school for 10+ years now and popularity doesn't do a thing for me. And for the record, I've seen plenty of shitty, copycat designers at these so-called "top tier" stores.
I don't need to prove it to you. You can keep on believing that your store is a top store if it makes you feel better. I'll just keep watching the good designers move on to greener pastures. But who knows, maybe those boring designers that have been at GP for years and years are the real money makers.
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No, you don't but you sure are working hard at trying to do so. When you stop being focused on being in with the "popular" crowd then you'll be alright in my book - no matter what they all say about you.
I don't need to prove it to you. You can keep on believing that your store is a top store if it makes you feel better. I'll just keep watching the good designers move on to greener pastures. But who knows, maybe those boring designers that have been at GP for years and years are the real money makers.
June 6, 2011 1:40 PM
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I already told you that I don't even shop there. I have no affliation with the store. I prefer SO and 9th&B. I don't find a lot at GP that fits my style. So this is honestly something where I see the numbers and it made me think about that maybe our perceptions of "top tier" are really off.
K-Studio left Catscrap and is selling exclusively at her own store. I personally was shocked. Kristen and Shen were really really close. Kristen wrote that she left CS with a very heavy heart. So im wondering why she left? Anyone know?
Well, I guess if you play the popularity game, then yes you would give a hoot. I've been out of high school for 10+ years now and popularity doesn't do a thing for me.
June 6, 2011 1:43 PM
You clearly don't have a mind for business. We aren't talking about who is the "nicest". To make money the designer or the designer's product must be popular. That's why this discussion comes up all the time. It DOES matter!
But most of us don't buy just because the store or product is "popular". It has to match our style as well. I think that's why there are a number of stores in the top tier.
I'll just keep watching the good designers move on to greener pastures.
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And how many designers have we seen move on from supposed top stores? It happens and leaves us stumped on this blog. They get smacked for their choice.
Everyone has their niche. If they are smart they stay put once they find it and stop looking for greener pastures.
I'm not saying that GP is THE top store. It's just not trailing as far behind as SM & TDC either. It's up there with many of the stores often listed as "top".
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BWAHAHAHA! Seriously? You think that GP is above SM and TDC? Tell me one designer you can think of that left SM or TDC for GP! I can name several for you that left GP for SM and TDC... What Kool Aid are you drinking?
Facebook Fans
9th & Bloom = 1915
SSD = 2022
SO = 1719
SBG = 1796
GP = 1770
CatScrap = 1390
After5 = 2019
TDC = 1283
The Lilypad = 1908
Scrapmatters = 1221
FPD = 951
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That is so not how I thought that would turn out. GP, SBG, & SO are so close! I thought GP would be closer to SM & TDC. And I thought 9&B would be ranked much lower since they are a new store!
What Kool Aid are you drinking?
June 6, 2011 3:02 PM
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The poster is getting that from FB fan numbers posted on the first page of new space.
BWAHAHAHA! Seriously? You think that GP is above SM and TDC? Tell me one designer you can think of that left SM or TDC for GP! I can name several for you that left GP for SM and TDC... What Kool Aid are you drinking?
June 6, 2011 3:02 PM
You don't look very smart with the numbers posted right below your post. GP has 500 more fans than TDC & SM.
This really is messin' with some people isn't it?
This is such a ridiculous argument. You can't rank stores based on FB fan following numbers. You can only rank them on (a) staying power, and (b) sales. I am doubtful that any individual store owner, let alone all store owners, will be willing to come here and publicly share their annual sales reports. And until/unless that happens, it will be impossible for us to REALLY have this discussion. So move on to staying power... I view this both as (a) has the store stood the test of time? and (b) have the designers in the store, in general terms, done the same (both in that store, and in the industry as a whole)?
Now discuss.
I wanted to know more. Some surprised me!
Shabby Pickle: 1424
PBP: 951
Ginger Scraps: 827
SHCo: 1438
PDW: 356
OScraps: 694
SSB: 1026
Digital Scrapbook Place: 1999
Digitals: 1555
SBE: 552
I don't agree with staying power. 3Scraps is still around.
Responding to 3:40, very good point. So I took a look at who's selling at GP, and am interested to compare it to the designers at other stores (and, how many of these designers have been at GP for a long period of time?):
A+ Designs
Aprilisa Designs
Armina Designs
Bella Gypsy
Colie's Corner
Connie Prince
Crisdam Designs
danimoy designs
Etc by Danyale
Kathryn Estry
Kits4Kids
Kristmess
Laitha’s Designs
Laura Burger
Laurie's Scraps & Designs
Lindsay Jane
LorieM Designs
Mye De Leon
North Meets South Studios
She's Full Of Scrap
Silvia Romeo
Spinky Dink Scraps
Trixie Scraps Designs
Wordart World by Jennifer
Thoughts now?
I don't agree with staying power. 3Scraps is still around.
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If it's still around, there's gotta be a reason. I think that's the point of this whole discussion. What constitutes a "top store"? If a shop persists, it has to have customers. Designers don't do this for free. Or do we all (here at this blog and elsewhere) get caught labeling certain places as the "top shops" based just on what we, personally, like? And our tastes?
I'm not the OP of this discussion/argument, but this has become interesting to me. I have always viewed the top shops as places like SBG, TDC, SO, SSD, SM, even 2Ps etc. But why? That's the root of the discussion. Is it because that's what I like, and they have it? Or is it because those really, truly, are the top places to sell that everyone else gravitates toward? I'm very curious to know how all of their sales compare.
BWAHAHAHA! Seriously? You think that GP is above SM and TDC? Tell me one designer you can think of that left SM or TDC for GP! I can name several for you that left GP for SM and TDC... What Kool Aid are you drinking?
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This is SOOOO true. I can't think of one designer who left a place like SM or TDC to go to GP. It just doesn't happen, it's always the other way around. Which leads you to believe that sales have got to be a lot better at the SM's and TDC's (either that, or designers just can't handle working for GP mgmt, which has been brought up here before on many many occasions).
At least half of the designers at GP have been there for more than 2 years. The majority seem to be willing to consistently let their product sell for $1.00.
I spend too much time on my products to sell them for a dollar. Lots of dollar sales at GP all the time.
9th & Bloom just had that big fan base surge from NSD, though. I, personally, liked then unliked them to get the freebie. I don't follow people on Facebook and don't want to. I also wasn't impressed.
I'm a designer with a small Facebook fan base. I outsell designers with fan bases 5 times mine and more. It's all about what type of product you make and who your customers are. Mine don't waste time on Facebook.
Anyone who is choosing "top tier" stores - or choosing which designers to take on at their store - by looking at Facebook alone is seriously retarded.
Once you take out all the designers, their CT members, and all the designers friends, freebie hunters, etc... how many customers are actually left?
Someone pointed out site traffic not too long ago and 9th & Bloom was exactly where I figured they would be - at the bottom. I don't know Lizzy, but I have no doubt she's nicer than Stacy at GP. But nice doesn't = customers.
At least half of the designers at GP have been there for more than 2 years. The majority seem to be willing to consistently let their product sell for $1.00.
I spend too much time on my products to sell them for a dollar. Lots of dollar sales at GP all the time.
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Makes you think: Do they sell their kits if they are NOT $1. Would customers even visit anymore?
3:19:
You don't look very smart with the numbers posted right below your post. GP has 500 more fans than TDC & SM.
This really is messin' with some people isn't it?
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Hahahahaha. No, it's not messing with my world view. It's this:
3:54: "Anyone who is choosing "top tier" stores - or choosing which designers to take on at their store - by looking at Facebook alone is seriously retarded."
Your # of FB fans means that you have been out pimpping your FB fan page and forcing people to sign up for it. It's no indicator of how many sales you actually have or how popular your site is!
And of those hundreds of fans, how many are DESIGNERS? Looking at my friends who are fans of the same pages I'm fans of (which shows up on the right sidebar), I'd say a lot.
Man,
The digiscrapirazzi sure lay down the smack when you guys are behind "anonymous."
I don't think Facebook is a good judge. The bizinformation site gives a better idea in my opinion.
More Facebook:
Digital Crea 2284
Divine Digital 1422
Digiscrap warehouse 1294
digiscrappersbrasil 822
Sunshine Studios 706
Polka Dot Plum 640
billybob said...
Man,
The digiscrapirazzi sure lay down the smack when you guys are behind "anonymous."
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Oh the irony! Why bother calling yourself billybob while ANONYMOUSLY issuing a hand slap? Why not just name yourself hypocrite?
GP doesn't do $1 sales any longer.
Who gives a hoot who has a better store really? Well, I guess if you play the popularity game, then yes you would give a hoot. I've been out of high school for 10+ years now and popularity doesn't do a thing for me. And for the record, I've seen plenty of shitty, copycat designers at these so-called "top tier" stores.
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Amen! I can't believe we are having the whole idiotic top tier store discussion, again! What, this is the 100th time in two months? *sarcasm by the way*
Traffic to a site does not indicate real time popularity nor does it indicate customers, it just indicates traffic.
Fans on FB pages do not equal a customer base or whether it's top tier or not.
Let it go, please, for the love of smack, let it go!!
And how many designers have we seen move on from supposed top stores? It happens and leaves us stumped on this blog. They get smacked for their choice.
Everyone has their niche. If they are smart they stay put once they find it and stop looking for greener pastures.
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Word!
I think though that we would agree with most of those fan numbers as ranking if GP wasn't involved. And I'm sure many find Divine Digital's fanbase disturbing as well. (both literally and figuratively)
It is shakin' up reality. I can tell because the shit is really hitting the fan and people are defensive. If it doesn't matter, why fight so hard?
The only real indication given that you can't use FB fanbase for "popularity" indicators was the example of 9&B doing a fan drive which would skew the numbers. But I think that people would have already unliked them if they didn't find the feed useful. I couldn't find anything like that with GP.
Here's something to consider about the argument of designers leaving GP to go to TDC or SM. What if they have the wrong perception of sales at both stores, just like many of us do? They might think that it will be better but it really isn't. Afterall, store owners are reluctant to tell designers what the sales will be because they can't make promises like that.
Your # of FB fans means that you have been out pimpping your FB fan page and forcing people to sign up for it. It's no indicator of how many sales you actually have or how popular your site is!
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I have never signed up for a FB because I was asked to or offered a freebie. I do it for the products I like and want more information about. You're mighty assumptive about what is going on in the minds of the people hitting like.
I think though that we would agree with most of those fan numbers as ranking if GP wasn't involved. And I'm sure many find Divine Digital's fanbase disturbing as well. (both literally and figuratively)
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Er, no. I don't see Divine Digital's FB fan base number? I see their bizinformation numbers, but that's all.
All of you are so hung up on the numbers have got it wrong. Numbers and stats are constantly proven wrong.
I'm a designer with a small Facebook fan base. I outsell designers with fan bases 5 times mine and more. It's all about what type of product you make and who your customers are. Mine don't waste time on Facebook.
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I'm sure you know all the internet habits of your perfect customers? You must only have a few customers then to keep track.
All of you are so hung up on the numbers have got it wrong. Numbers and stats are constantly proven wrong.
June 6, 2011 6:18 PM
Only by those who want them to be wrong.
What so many of you are overlooking with the FB numbers is the following:
* designers at the store
* CTMs
* old fans who never bothered to unlike
* people who no longer do FB
* people who liked for one freebie and never bothered to unlike
There are a lot of reasons for the numbers, however, they are all completely irrelevant. The only true indicator would be an annual sales report or two. Other from that, you have no way of knowing, only guessing.
Only by those who want them to be wrong.
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Nope, by people who aren't blinded by wanting to be right.
No, that was FB. They are 1422 now.
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No, I'll think you'll find it was bizinformation.
Digitals is not Divine Digitals, it's Digital Scrapbook Pages.
And how many designers have we seen move on from supposed top stores? It happens and leaves us stumped on this blog. They get smacked for their choice.
Everyone has their niche. If they are smart they stay put once they find it and stop looking for greener pastures.
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The fact is, that sometimes there are greener pastures. And sometimes it's better to move on and find them. There are a lot of differences in store requirements, team attitudes, site maintence and there are good and bad owners.
You might end up in a much better place for you.
I had to move a couple times before I could find the right place for me. And I'm so grateful that I did. I love my store now and will be staying where I am for good.
Customers don't care if you have to move stores. If they really like your designs they will follow you to a new store.
The people here who are always bitching about store jumpers are store owners, who are aware that your customers will follow you and other designers who can't go anywhere because no one wants them.
I'm sure you know all the internet habits of your perfect customers? You must only have a few customers then to keep track.
June 6, 2011 6:21 PM
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Uhhh. You're beyond stupid. The OP clearly stated she has a small fanbase, but has better sales that others with large fanbases. Clearly it doesn't take a genius to figure out her customers aren't on facebook.
I agree with all this numbers talk, too. It's really pointless, but I know stores that actually take on designers based upon their fanbase.
The people here who are always bitching about store jumpers are store owners, who are aware that your customers will follow you and other designers who can't go anywhere because no one wants them.
June 6, 2011 6:29 PM
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Word!
The people here who are always bitching about store jumpers are store owners, who are aware that your customers will follow you and other designers who can't go anywhere because no one wants them.
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I'm not a store owner and I do complain about the store jumpers. If someone keeps moving stores a lot, and I mean like six stores in a year, which is what a store jumper is, I won't buy from them. It makes me wonder what's wrong with their product. The constant moving smacks of flakiness and unreliability.
The people here who are always bitching about store jumpers are store owners, who are aware that your customers will follow you and other designers who can't go anywhere because no one wants them.
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You must be a store jumper, am I right? How many stores have you been in your designer career?
Facebook fans posted so far in order:
Digital Crea 2284
SSD 2022
After5 2019
Digital Scrapbook Place 1999
9th & Bloom 1915
The Lilypad 1908
SBG 1796
GP 1770
SO 1719
Digitals 1555
SHCo 1438
Shabby Pickle 1424
Divine Digital 1422
CatScrap 1390
Digiscrap warehouse 1294
TDC 1283
Scrapmatters 1221
SSB 1026
PBP 951
FPD 951
Ginger Scraps 827
digiscrappersbrasil 822
Sunshine Studios 706
Oscraps 694
Polka Dot Plum 640
SBE 552
PDW 356
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Those numbers must really bite for those who keep thinking that DSP and SSD are no good and not top tier. I don't believe in the numbers, but for those who do, whoo boy, you must be so disappointed.
Er, no. I don't see Divine Digital's FB fan base number? I see their bizinformation numbers, but that's all.
All of you are so hung up on the numbers have got it wrong. Numbers and stats are constantly proven wrong.
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No the poster posted about bizrate but then labels the numbers as facebook. If you don't believe the posters go check on FB yourself. Divine Digital now has 1424 fans.
All of you are so hung up on the numbers have got it wrong. Numbers and stats are constantly proven wrong.
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How do you prove facebook fan numbers WRONG? It's not like site traffic. That is a real person hitting "like".
Clearly it doesn't take a genius to figure out her customers aren't on facebook.
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They just haven't fanned her is all. It has nothing to do with internet activity.
for the love of pete, stop with the FB stuff!!! who the hell cares???????????
No, I'll think you'll find it was bizinformation.
Digitals is not Divine Digitals, it's Digital Scrapbook Pages.
June 6, 2011 6:25 PM
You might want to check that again:
http://www.facebook.com/DivineDigital (it just went down to 1421)
http://www.facebook.com/DigitalScrapbookPages
*note Digital Scrapbook PAGES = Ditals (according to their OWN FB page) 1555
http://www.facebook.com/dsp.me
*note Digtal Scarpbook PLACE 1996
for the love of pete, stop with the FB stuff!!! who the hell cares???????????
June 6, 2011 7:36 PM
everyone but you. go play some place else. unless you have something better to discuss.
You must be a store jumper, am I right? How many stores have you been in your designer career?
June 6, 2011 6:41 PM
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Four stores during my design career. Three at once before I was exclusive the first year I was designing, two were ok stores and one had a terrible completely absent owner. Then I have been exclusive for almost 3 years at the same store. Does that make me a store jumper? It did take me a year to find the right store. It is hard to be brand new and come in knowing the best place to be and just get automatically accepted there with no experience.
Store owners refuse to give you any actual information before you come in. They might be willing to show you their contract, but they won't tell you what other kinds of expectations they have. They don't tell you how consistent they will be with marketing, or if they will be constantly changing their expectations of the team. They don't tell you if the site CT sucks and doesn't support the site well. They don't tell you if there are major personality conflicts on the team or that they aren't going to pay you on time, or if they won't be responding to customers in a timely manner. Those are things that unfortunately, you have to find out through experience. And if you find those things, it really is ok to move on.
You must be a store owner, am I right? How many designers have used your store as a stepping stone in your store owning career career?
everyone but you
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Speak for yourself, I don't give a damn either.
Now there will be a bunch of FB fan drives.
How do you prove facebook fan numbers WRONG? It's not like site traffic. That is a real person hitting "like".
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Please see previous post on how FB fan numbers can be inaccurate.
You must be a store owner, am I right? How many designers have used your store as a stepping stone in your store owning career career?
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Nope, not a store owner, I wouldn't be that stupid. I couldn't deal with all the ungrateful brat designers. As has been pointed out time and time and time again, a store jumper is someone who has been in at least five stores in the space of a year.
Store owners refuse to give you any actual information before you come in. They might be willing to show you their contract, but they won't tell you what other kinds of expectations they have. They don't tell you how consistent they will be with marketing, or if they will be constantly changing their expectations of the team. They don't tell you if the site CT sucks and doesn't support the site well. They don't tell you if there are major personality conflicts on the team or that they aren't going to pay you on time, or if they won't be responding to customers in a timely manner. Those are things that unfortunately, you have to find out through experience. And if you find those things, it really is ok to move on.
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All the store owners I have dealt with have told me this stuff when I asked. You must be doing it wrong or dealing with the wrong kind of owners.
You might want to check that again:
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No, I really don't, the conversation is beyond boring and stupid, which is probably why I missed it. I think I fell asleep somewhere along the line.
What so many of you are overlooking with the FB numbers is the following:
* designers at the store
* CTMs
* old fans who never bothered to unlike
* people who no longer do FB
* people who liked for one freebie and never bothered to unlike
There are a lot of reasons for the numbers, however, they are all completely irrelevant. The only true indicator would be an annual sales report or two. Other from that, you have no way of knowing, only guessing.
June 6, 2011 6:22 PM
They ALL have those factors which means the numbers will be about even.
We don't have the $$$ amounts but it is a pretty good indication of the store's popularity. Sorry that some of you can't handle the truth.
No, I really don't, the conversation is beyond boring and stupid, which is probably why I missed it. I think I fell asleep somewhere along the line.
June 6, 2011 7:51 PM
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Then why are you still here? You must be boring and stupid.
Sorry that some of you can't handle the truth.
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WORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those numbers must really bite for those who keep thinking that DSP and SSD are no good and not top tier. I don't believe in the numbers, but for those who do, whoo boy, you must be so disappointed.
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Disappointed? Are you a complete idiot with nothing more than time on your hands running numbers? OMG..No one cares. As for anyone who feels "disappointed" by your statement-they need to get help...right along with you. Like someone said. Nobody gives a hoot.
Tot hose who keep asking who has ever left SM for GP ... well, Trixi Scraps, Connie Prince and Bella Gypsy left SM when SM tried to make them exclusive ... and stayed at GP. They wouldn't have done that if the SM sales were 'top tier' and the GP sales weren't.
I *was* trying to be ironic.
Humor.
Get it?
Speak for yourself, I don't give a damn either.
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Pa-leeeze add me to this list. Surely there are better things to gossip about. What part of NO ONE GIVES A HOOT don't you you get?
We don't have the $$$ amounts but it is a pretty good indication of the store's popularity. Sorry that some of you can't handle the truth.
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That's just it babe, you hit the nail on the head..NOT. The point is that no one cares if it's the friggen truth or not!
Not to change the most interesting topic this blog has ever seen but has anyone ever seen these little monsters somewhere else? I could be wrong but I was just curious.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_I2sLGIgrTcY/TNBekciP85I/AAAAAAAABZM/eXvlTYYQTJs/s1600/Lil+Monster+Kit+pic+02.jpg
We don't have the $$$ amounts but it is a pretty good indication of the store's popularity. Sorry that some of you can't handle the truth.
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What truth are you talking about? I don't see any truth, just a lot of speculation and hopefulness. Unless it's an actual sales report, it's a bogus figure.
Then why are you still here? You must be boring and stupid.
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If you are indication of interesting and intelligent, then yeah, I'll go for boring and stupid every time. I don't think I could handle being you. That worked up about FB pages and which store is popular and top tier. Wow. I'd shoot myself first if that was the most interesting thing I had to talk about.
Those numbers must really bite for those who keep thinking that DSP and SSD are no good and not top tier. I don't believe in the numbers, but for those who do, whoo boy, you must be so disappointed.
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Disappointed? Are you a complete idiot with nothing more than time on your hands running numbers? OMG..No one cares. As for anyone who feels "disappointed" by your statement-they need to get help...right along with you. Like someone said. Nobody gives a hoot.
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What are you? An idiot? Did you even read what I wrote? I said the numbers were bogus. Man, some people are so dumb.
Pa-leeeze add me to this list. Surely there are better things to gossip about. What part of NO ONE GIVES A HOOT don't you you get?
June 6, 2011 8:04 PM
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That's just it babe, you hit the nail on the head..NOT. The point is that no one cares if it's the friggen truth or not!
June 6, 2011 8:08 PM
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I don't care for the topic at hand either, but that seems to be the current discussion. I don't have a anything different to offer, do you? Start your own topic of conversation. If it takes off great. If not then you can stfu as well. Your complaints are just as annoying as any other boring topic of conversation. Would you prefer blog silence? If so then don't come for a while. It will be exactly the same and guaranteed, no one will miss you.
I'm don't get why it is so hard to believe that it shows a customer base. It's more than traffic because it's a human making a choice to fan them. Why would designers and stores even offer freebies or advertise there if it wasn't worth anything? How about if every designer and store just shuts it down since it is so meaningless? I can tell you at least 5 times that I went to a store from FB because of something they advertised and it wasn't a freebie either. I'm not on CTs, I'm not a designer. Just a customer.
Not to change the most interesting topic this blog has ever seen but has anyone ever seen these little monsters somewhere else? I could be wrong but I was just curious.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_I2sLGIgrTcY/TNBekciP85I/AAAAAAAABZM/eXvlTYYQTJs/s1600/Lil+Monster+Kit+pic+02.jpg
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The little guy on the bottle cap type thing looks like Mike from Monsters Inc. Otherwise, no, not really, they look like generic monsters.
Pa-leeeze add me to this list. Surely there are better things to gossip about. What part of NO ONE GIVES A HOOT don't you you get?
June 6, 2011 8:04 PM
More than a couple of us are discussing this. So that isn't NO ONE.
Tot hose who keep asking who has ever left SM for GP ... well, Trixi Scraps, Connie Prince and Bella Gypsy left SM when SM tried to make them exclusive ... and stayed at GP. They wouldn't have done that if the SM sales were 'top tier' and the GP sales weren't.
June 6, 2011 8:01 PM
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Or GP is a better fit for mediocre repackagers.
Wow! This GP FB number thing has really pissed someone off!
I'm don't get why it is so hard to believe that it shows a customer base. It's more than traffic because it's a human making a choice to fan them.
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I don't get what you don't get it's not a good indicator of a customer base. It's just fans. It doesn't necessarily translate into customers.
Or GP is a better fit for mediocre repackagers.
June 6, 2011 8:21 PM
I don't see many designers at SM that are much more than that!
It's just fans. It doesn't necessarily translate into customers.
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It doesn't necessarily not translate into customers.
I *was* trying to be ironic.
Humor.
Get it?
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Fail.
I don't see many designers at SM that are much more than that!
June 6, 2011 8:25 PM
I'd expect a little more from SM designers than GP designers. Not much, but a little.
It doesn't necessarily not translate into customers.
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Until you can prove otherwise, they are just fans. I can prove they are fans, because it's called a "fan page", not a customer page. Operatie word is "fan". See, I provided proof, now where's yours?
I don't get what you don't get it's not a good indicator of a customer base. It's just fans. It doesn't necessarily translate into customers.
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GP has a bigger FB advertising audience than SM and TDC. They reach more potential customers. They have a higher chance of sales.
I don't see many designers at SM that are much more than that!
June 6, 2011 8:25 PM
I'd expect a little more from SM designers than GP designers. Not much, but a little.
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Expectations are always high, the reality is always a disappointment.
GP has a bigger FB advertising audience than SM and TDC. They reach more potential customers. They have a higher chance of sales.
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Please note the use of the words 'potential' and 'chance' in your statement. I don't shop at any of those places, so I don't have a dog in this fight, just trying to make a point about FB pages.
Please note the use of the words 'potential' and 'chance' in your statement. I don't shop at any of those places, so I don't have a dog in this fight, just trying to make a point about FB pages.
June 6, 2011 8:31 PM
When it comes to advertising, it is always potential and chance. That's all that FB fan pages are really about.
The more peeps you can reach, the higher the sales!
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Who wants marshmallows as customers?
When it comes to advertising, it is always potential and chance. That's all that FB fan pages are really about.
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Exactly! It is just advertising. It may or may not result in more customers. I've liked fan pages, but find that I get more info from the newsletters.
The more peeps you can reach, the higher the sales!
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Only potentially.
Because of all this blathering I decided to become a fan of a few different stores on Facebook to see what I was missing. I just searched for SO's fan page and I got 3 different results. Their fan page has 1,731 fans, but another one of their pages has 687 friends and the third one is a group with 191 members. Then out of curiosity I looked up GP and there was only 1 result. I'm thinking it's probable that not all of SO's friends and group members are also fans. There might be people who think they're signed up for the fan page but they're not. It's impossible to tell how that's skewed their numbers. And before you say it, I don't have anything to do with SO. Just making an observation about how the numbers can be wrong.
Tot hose who keep asking who has ever left SM for GP ... well, Trixi Scraps, Connie Prince and Bella Gypsy left SM when SM tried to make them exclusive ... and stayed at GP. They wouldn't have done that if the SM sales were 'top tier' and the GP sales weren't.
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OMG, you seriously have to be kidding me. You're arguing that Trixie, Connie, and BG left SM to go to GP because it was better?! Hell no. Connie, in particular, is someone who makes high-quality, run-of-the mill generic designs and churns them out in varying color palettes week after week. The more stores she is in, the more money she makes. We might all knock her on this blog b/c she isn't the most creative designer out there, but she's one hell of a businesswoman who has found a niche and exploited the hell out of it. Did she leave SM for GP?! No effing way. She STAYED at GP because GP allowed her to have multiple stores, and she needs more stores in order to make more money. She has always been in at least 3-4 stores at a time. If SM hadn't forced exclusivity, she never would have left.
Those 3 didn't leave SM for GP. Please don't insult our intelligence. If you're going to throw an argument into this discussion, at least make sure it's based in fact.
Again, I beg someone to show me even ONE instance of a designer actually LEAVING a store like the aforementioned, in order to land at GP. Anyone?
Just making an observation about how the numbers can be wrong.
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Bingo!
"But most of us don't buy just because the store or product is "popular". It has to match our style as well."
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This is true for me.
For example, I read so much about 9th&Bloom, but was disappointed when I looked thru the store. The designs didn't appeal to me (on the day that I looked, maybe different now), but I guess my taste/style is different from the others who rave about it.
I think ScrapGirls & DesignerDigitals should be added to the list of top tier stores.
I think both stores have lots of loyal customers, & both stores seem to keep out of the digi drama. win win.
I've been known to bitch about store hoppers, and I'm a scrapper not an owner. I bitch because those kits I bought are worthless to me as soon as the designer leaves because I can't use her stuff for challenges any more.
I've been known to bitch about store hoppers, and I'm a scrapper not an owner. I bitch because those kits I bought are worthless to me as soon as the designer leaves because I can't use her stuff for challenges any more.
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You only buy kits in order to do challenges? That's weird. I buy kits because I will actually use them to scrap my photos. Buying something just to get a chance to WIN/EARN/GET something seems really dumb. Buy it because you like and and will use it. Then, if you can also benefit by using it for a challenge, great. But it's not worthless if you can't use it for a challenge. It's perfectly good. Your thinking is bass-ackwards.
I bought are worthless to me as soon as the designer leaves because I can't use her stuff for challenges any more.
June 6, 2011 9:29 PM
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Seriously? You only buy kits for the challenge points?
9th and Bloom is an odd duck (agreeing with 9:22). Lizzy is soo nice and so are the people in the forum. The collabs are THE BEST!, and yet when it's time to spend money and I *want* to shop there, I can't find anything that goes with the photos I have to scrap. I'll come on here and say how much I love 9th and Bloom, but the truth is I am a fan, but not a spender there.
New Topic: Oscraps. To me, there isn't a better store anywhere, and I'm surprised anybody could care less whether SO or GP is more popular. Talk about "who cares?"! And yet O has fewer than 700 FB fans.
New Topic: Oscraps. To me, there isn't a better store anywhere, and I'm surprised anybody could care less whether SO or GP is more popular. Talk about "who cares?"! And yet O has fewer than 700 FB fans.
June 6, 2011 9:43 PM
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I don't think they promote themselves enough. So they really aren't as popular as they were when they first opened years ago.
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The previews at Oscraps always seem muddled to me. Not sure why...maybe the colors are too muted for my taste. And the elements definitely don't pop enough for me to want to buy them based on the previews. I have worked with their designers' stuff when they've done collabs with designers I CT for and I never found any glaring quality issues. I guess it's just a taste thing.
This is true for me.
For example, I read so much about 9th&Bloom, but was disappointed when I looked thru the store. The designs didn't appeal to me (on the day that I looked, maybe different now), but I guess my taste/style is different from the others who rave about it.
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I've found my long lost twin!
I'll come on here and say how much I love 9th and Bloom, but the truth is I am a fan, but not a spender there.
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Thanks for saying that. It's more proof that the number of fans does not equal the number of customers. I'm the same with some stores, I like the store, but for some reason, I don't shop at them.
New Topic: Oscraps. To me, there isn't a better store anywhere, and I'm surprised anybody could care less whether SO or GP is more popular. Talk about "who cares?"! And yet O has fewer than 700 FB fans.
June 6, 2011 9:43 PM
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I don't think they promote themselves enough. So they really aren't as popular as they were when they first opened years ago.
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I kinda agree. I think they have a more loyal customer base, rather than a popular one. In the end, loyalty will win, so I don't think they are that concerned about being popular. Certainly a lot of their designers seem to stay on, which says something.
The previews at Oscraps always seem muddled to me. Not sure why...maybe the colors are too muted for my taste.
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I think it's because they are an old school style store. They don't have a store look or packaging. So many stores have a sameness about them with the previews, that we are used to it now. In the old days, that didn't happen, designers had their own distinct look. Nowadays, while not all stores have a store packaging, the previews seem to be the same anyway.
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9th and Bloom is an odd duck (agreeing with 9:22). Lizzy is soo nice and so are the people in the forum. The collabs are THE BEST!, and yet when it's time to spend money and I *want* to shop there, I can't find anything that goes with the photos I have to scrap. I'll come on here and say how much I love 9th and Bloom, but the truth is I am a fan, but not a spender there.
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Lizzy is a true gem and I just love her to pieces. I think she is very professional and keeps her forum fun. I personally buy from there frequently because I love the designs! Everyone has different likes and wants such as some love to buy from SSD, but I personally find them too cookie cutter for me. I would rather have a variety and some uniqueness!
I am curious. I have never shopped at GP. Are there any good designers at GP?
K-Studio left Catscrap and is selling exclusively at her own store. I personally was shocked. Kristen and Shen were really really close. Kristen wrote that she left CS with a very heavy heart. So im wondering why she left? Anyone know?
June 6, 2011 1:53 PM
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Where did she write that? I looked on her blog and FB and didn't find anything. I wonder what happened.
Haha. You're still talking about me and I'm just living my life. The internet DOES really matter to you. Sad. Anyway! Its my birthday! Happy birthday to meeeeeee! From the little bit I went back and read, you all are so wrong its not even funny. But I'm not going to ruin your fun. Have fun!
Studio Demo said...
Haha. You're still talking about me and I'm just living my life. The internet DOES really matter to you. Sad. Anyway! Its my birthday! Happy birthday to meeeeeee! From the little bit I went back and read, you all are so wrong its not even funny. But I'm not going to ruin your fun. Have fun!
June 7, 2011 9:33 AM
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Thanks for coming back. But no, we've moved on to a new boring topic. Thanks for playing.
I am curious. I have never shopped at GP. Are there any good designers at GP?
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Why don't you go to their site and browse around and decide for yourself? Or, check the posts above yours and you will find an entire list of the site's designers. We just had a long conversation about that site (which lasted WAAAAY too long, I think we will all agree), and we've moved on. We're not your personal shopping assistants.
Studio Demo said...
Haha. You're still talking about me and I'm just living my life. The internet DOES really matter to you. Sad. Anyway! Its my birthday! Happy birthday to meeeeeee! From the little bit I went back and read, you all are so wrong its not even funny. But I'm not going to ruin your fun. Have fun!
June 7, 2011 9:33 AM
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Thanks for coming back. But no, we've moved on to a new boring topic. Thanks for playing.
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PLEASE PEOPLE STOP RESPONDING TO HER. NOW WE CAN ALL BE ASSURED THAT SHE WILL POST AT LEAST ONE MORE TIME. IGNORE, AND SHE'LL GO AWAY.
PLEASE PEOPLE STOP RESPONDING TO HER. NOW WE CAN ALL BE ASSURED THAT SHE WILL POST AT LEAST ONE MORE TIME. IGNORE, AND SHE'LL GO AWAY.
June 7, 2011 9:38 AM
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You do that. I'll respond to whatever the hell I feel like responding to. Thanks for the advice though mommy smacker.
K-Studio left Catscrap and is selling exclusively at her own store. I personally was shocked. Kristen and Shen were really really close. Kristen wrote that she left CS with a very heavy heart. So im wondering why she left? Anyone know?
June 6, 2011 1:53 PM
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Where did she write that? I looked on her blog and FB and didn't find anything. I wonder what happened.
June 7, 2011 9:26 AM
It was in her newsletter last week. Plus her shop is gone from CS.
WTF is a mommy smacker?
PLEASE PEOPLE STOP RESPONDING TO HER. NOW WE CAN ALL BE ASSURED THAT SHE WILL POST AT LEAST ONE MORE TIME. IGNORE, AND SHE'LL GO AWAY.
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What's the point of not talking to me if you continuously talk about me? What's the difference. They both can trigger a response from me. But please continue. Its fun to watch you speculate no matter how wrong you are. You aren't hurting me at all so please...continue.
Studio Demo said...
PLEASE PEOPLE STOP RESPONDING TO HER. NOW WE CAN ALL BE ASSURED THAT SHE WILL POST AT LEAST ONE MORE TIME. IGNORE, AND SHE'LL GO AWAY.
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What's the point of not talking to me if you continuously talk about me? What's the difference. They both can trigger a response from me. But please continue. Its fun to watch you speculate no matter how wrong you are. You aren't hurting me at all so please...continue.
June 7, 2011 10:02 AM
I think we will all agree
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No, not everyone agrees with your statement or it wouldn't have continued on as long as it did. And it will come up again!
What's the point of not talking to me if you continuously talk about me? What's the difference. They both can trigger a response from me. But please continue. Its fun to watch you speculate no matter how wrong you are. You aren't hurting me at all so please...continue.
June 7, 2011 10:02 AM
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WTF is wrong with you? You need attention that much?
Oh shucks. And I thought facebook fan count was a boring enough topic. Now with SD showing up again, can we please go back to find out more about the bottom tier stores' traffic?
I am curious. I have never shopped at GP. Are there any good designers at GP?
June 7, 2011 9:22 AM
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If you see something you like, buy it! They all have quality products. But if you don't like CU in kits it may not be the store for you.
You only buy kits in order to do challenges? That's weird. I buy kits because I will actually use them to scrap my photos. Buying something just to get a chance to WIN/EARN/GET something seems really dumb. Buy it because you like and and will use it. Then, if you can also benefit by using it for a challenge, great. But it's not worthless if you can't use it for a challenge. It's perfectly good. Your thinking is bass-ackwards.
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Yes, but I'm not shamed by it. I buy way more kits than I can ever scrap with. I buy them because I love them, not because I want to scrap with them at the exact time of purchase. I am not highly motivated, and yes, the challenge points motivate me. I am the average customer at your store.
The average customer doesn't participate in challenges. The average customer buys the product and uses it to scrap pages for herself and her family.
Oh shucks. And I thought facebook fan count was a boring enough topic. Now with SD showing up again, can we please go back to find out more about the bottom tier stores' traffic?
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Ha Ha Ha LMAO.
Yes, but I'm not shamed by it. I buy way more kits than I can ever scrap with. I buy them because I love them, not because I want to scrap with them at the exact time of purchase. I am not highly motivated, and yes, the challenge points motivate me. I am the average customer at your store.
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Dang, I wish you were the average customer. It would be awesome for all of us designers if the majority of our customers were buying "way more kits than I can ever scrap with."
If you see something you like, buy it! They all have quality products. But if you don't like CU in kits it may not be the store for you.
June 7, 2011 11:10 AM
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Are you kidding? You think all the designers at GP have quality products?
I don't put much faith in facebook numbers. Not business related but I have 72 fb friends. My girlfriend has 458 fb friends. Yet she is always whining about being bored and having no friends. Facebook friends are not necessarily true "friends" just like Facebook fans are not necessarily "customers".
Some sites I frequent:
Designer Digitals - 1134
Digital Scrapper - 545
Big Picture Classes - 3538
Cottage Arts - can't find on FB
Jessica Sprague - FB is personal account not business
I'm not their FB fans but I buy from them.
Holly McCaig Creative 2,553
I am a fan but I have never purchased from her yet.
Just my two cents...
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