I always find it interesting to note which topics of conversation generate the blog spam. There are some regulars around digi land that are frequently mentioned here. I think they have given up the battle. They know eventually the topic will turn and it will be on to something else. Admittedly, I am not active around the "community" but I have been hosting the blog for awhile now and have noticed some trends.
Watch out when the blog bitches find a new target. They keep picking, they Google, they dig, they hunt IP's, they search other message boards, they jump in the way back machine and remind all of indiscretions of yesteryear.
The blog target virgins pick up the bat phone. Put out a virtual call for back up send the blog link to all. Their friends will try to defend, try to call everyone out for being anonymous. It gets nasty. They can't win against the blog bitches. So then they try diversionary tactics, attempt to change the subject to some other digi crime in recent memory. When that doesn't work, they resort to spam. Song lyrics, in multiple languages, middle school trash talk. Anything to bury the previous threads of conversation.
And don't forget about the Pearl clutching handslappers. You know, the ones that just want everyone to get along and sing Kum Bay Yah. The ones that scold people for posting, and wasting their time reading this internet trash, all while offering helpful alternate suggestions for spending time. You know, like watching kids, cooking dinner for your husband, reading the bible.
And the Lurkers, that stop by for entertainment value.
Which category are you?
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Recently we were placed in an awkward position regarding a largely known designer in the industry and copyright violation. This was not the first time we had something come up about the same designer selling products that were not properly licensed to her as a CU product.
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Can't speak to the frog incident know nothing about it but side by side of the gifts show that yes she probably took the idea from the original designer. Some are almost identical but the ones that were similar but different should be fine. Why because you cannot copyright an idea nor can you copyright a shape. Might have been better if she had come up with a different shape altogether but the gifts are nothing but shapes, they aren't products.
anyone know what happened to studio ruby? Just stopped by SBG and she was gone .....
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I asked about the same thing earlier but no one took my bait. I wondered why any store owner (Royanna) would sell at another person's store. BTW Royanna's CU stuff is TOTAL GARBAGE. I have thrown out about 95% of what I bought when I was foolish enough to do one her BMS offers for her tragedy of the month club.
Someone at DST asked where Ruby went and one of her CTMs said she was going to POP up at another store soon. That makes me think Pickleberrypop but I'm just guessing.
Geeez. The thread about Miss Tina has been removed by none other than the loveable anneofalamo (gag, puke). WTH??? The information posted was much much more incriminating than what Tina let on when she sent out those replacement frogs. I think people should be able to read what went on!!!!
why is taking Ruby so long to show up anywhere and not post anything about it? Maybe she has troubles of her own?????
Geeez. The thread about Miss Tina has been removed by none other than the loveable anneofalamo (gag, puke). WTH??? The information posted was much much more incriminating than what Tina let on when she sent out those replacement frogs. I think people should be able to read what went on!!!!
February 19, 2010 1:20 PM
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Did she say why she removed it?
wv: kamous, as in "Does Anne think it's okamous for Miss Tina to steal other people's designs?"
I don't think the evidence was that incriminating.
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I dunno. I'm pretty sure Miss Tiina would call foul if I traced her presents and sold them CU. Except for 2 of them they are exact traces, not "inspiration". I don't know about the IKEA pillows.
Hmm. I didn't see exact traces at all. I saw very, very similar elements but not traces.
How can you call them "similar"??? Get real. They were out and out copies. If you can't see that you need to have your eyes checked.
I asked about the same thing earlier but no one took my bait. I wondered why any store owner (Royanna) would sell at another person's store. BTW Royanna's CU stuff is TOTAL GARBAGE. I have thrown out about 95% of what I bought when I was foolish enough to do one her BMS offers for her tragedy of the month club.
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I guess she ruined her own store and now she wants to ruin another store? lol Or maybe Cindy actually believes her "poor me" stories?
Y'all don't understand. It's not about integrity. It's not about originality. It's not about shame or humility or guilt. And, most importantly, it's not about artistic talent.
It's about The Almighty Dollar.
Whether we're talking about Ms. Tina, Cindy at DSW taking on crappy designers, charity scams, Amber or lilly or whatever her name is. If there's a chance they can make some cash, they'll do it.
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Oh, it's just two-dot (..) Heather again. Ignore her.
No it wasnt 2 dot heather again.. i have always typed like this.. and because someone else also uses the double full stop.. dosent mean its me.. LOL.. idiots...and if thats the best you can do is now put shit on someone who uses 2 dots WOW WOW thats way clever you can even count that far.. i havent been here for a couple of days.. you see.. unlike you girls.. i have a life.. LOL
but this time .. it is 2 dot heather.. im happy i made such an impact on you all that you noticed and remembered.. it warms my heart..
BUT.. i did tell you before and i will repeat it as you have such selective memories.. that i dont post anonymously.. i dont need to.. as im not afraid of you.. get that? understand? hell yeah.. i have been accused of lots of stuff.. one of its for being condescending.. well you want condescending.. you just bloody got it.. Youre a pack of idiot blog bitches.. and you just all make me laugh..
Heather, Heather, Heather...
Hasn't anyone ever told you that sticks and stones may break your bones, but names will never hurt you? Do yourself a favor and stop responding to the craziness. It's what they want.
I thought the two dot thing was funny though. You didn't?
You people are like a pack of dogs..
no matter who it is.. you get your teeth in their throats and tear away.. rip them to bits.. i see thats your motto or aim in life..
if anyone is better at anything that you then lets destroy them huh?
Man.. what gives any of you the right to comments on anything other people have done.. no matter what it is.. what you are all so perfect in your little boring blog rules life?
None of you have ever made a mistake before? whatever happened to live and let live?
ITs a sad state of affairs when a bunch of bored stuck in the house women get their entertainment from dropping shit on others.. ohh how damn trashy of me to say shit.. its almost as bad as ass.. OMG what am i thinking.. now you will bitch me out.. LOL..
Do you ladies kiss your kids with the same mouths that spurt venom in here? are you teaching your kids whats right and whats wrong? wow.. if you are.. then they dont have a hope in hell at being a decent and kind human being.. and they will just be like you all.. jealous of everyone and cruel to those who do better in life than they do.. its called tall poppy syndrome.. and thats what disease you all have.. you gotta rip at the stalks of others to bring them down to your level
LOL
sad.. pathetic.. yep its both of them..
OMG i said hell is that trashy too?
let a life girls.. before its too late.... [was gonna say ladies.. but.. thats something you aint..]
ohh and this is 2 dot heather.. not someone trying to make it look like its me.. ok.. comprehend?
OMG again.. was i condescending?
LOL
outta here.. as i have things to do..
unlike you
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Heather, Heather, Heather...
Hasn't anyone ever told you that sticks and stones may break your bones, but names will never hurt you? Do yourself a favor and stop responding to the craziness. It's what they want.
I thought the two dot thing was funny though. You didn't?
February 19, 2010 7:24 PM
i dont think its funny when one of the idiots in here pretends to me me by typing the same way.. then immediately bitches about it..
LOL
in fact i find it very hard to see any fun in the way this site gets its kicks..
yanno..
and if i was afraid of being put down or made fun of.. do you think i would even respond?
i know they want the response.. i know they need something to give them a bit of excitement in their boring stupid lives.. so they got some.. and they can waste their weekend now on a blog.. LOL they are all such busy individuals with diaries that are full and lives that are even fuller.. NOT..
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now bye.. see ya all later.. if i get home early enough i might pop in and have a laugh..
Idiots. Seriously.
Why are there so many Aussies on here?
OMG, I seriously just got why Hollie wrote "full stop" so many times in her diatribe. It's the same as when I say "period, end of sentence". Only I'm American so I say it differently. Seriously. I just now got it so thanks Heather. That is the one and only thing I've gotten from your tirades. Because otherwise whenever I see your name, I just blow right by whatever you say because it's just jibberish to a rational mind.
I hardly think there are that many Austalians posting here. 99.9% would be American. Period/Full Stop/end of sentence/one dot/two dots . .. . .. . .. . .. . .. .
She's baaaaaaaaaaaaaack (cue creepy music).
It's fun to watch her spaz out though. Like having a front row seat to the freak show.
How many days ago did she state that she wasn't coming back?
I know. Some people just have no self control.
jealous of everyone and cruel to those who do better in life than they do.. its called tall poppy syndrome..
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Who are we supposed to be jealous off because they are better? Seems you are the only one who has the jealousy thing going one.
Why are there so many Aussies on here?
February 19, 2010 8:56 PM
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How can you tell?
Do you ladies kiss your kids with the same mouths that spurt venom in here? are you teaching your kids whats right and whats wrong? wow.. if you are.. then they dont have a hope in hell at being a decent and kind human being.. and they will just be like you all..
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You better watch your own kids then.
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Do you ladies kiss your kids with the same mouths that spurt venom in here? are you teaching your kids whats right and whats wrong? wow.. if you are.. then they dont have a hope in hell at being a decent and kind human being.. and they will just be like you all..
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You better watch your own kids then.
February 19, 2010 11:57 PM
LOL no need to do that..any child of mine is brought up with manners and respect.. something you know nothing about..
But then.. i have always believed you had to earn respect.. and you sure dont have mine.. or this would be a totally different conversation..
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Why are there so many Aussies on here?
February 19, 2010 8:56 PM
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How can you tell?
February 19, 2010 11:55 PM
they cant.. thats why they didnt reply.. LOL
Just someone trying to pretend they are smart hehehehehehehe
heather said...
You people are like a pack of dogs..
no matter who it is.. you get your teeth in their throats and tear away.. rip them to bits.. i see thats your motto or aim in life..
if anyone is better at anything that you then lets destroy them huh?
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You're right heather, we're ripping Tara apart because she's better at us than stealing money and files from an ftp. She's just better at it.. .. .. ..
hey cant.. thats why they didnt reply.. LOL
Just someone trying to pretend they are smart hehehehehehehe
February 20, 2010 10:25 AM
Um. I don't check this blog 35,897,298,457 times a day like you obviously do.
heather is totally bonkers.
tara is a thief.
royanna is a scammer.
shannon and erick are greedy money grubbers.
miss tiina is a pirate.
Same shit, different day. We just need to make fill in the blanks out of the sentences above and changes the names periodically. It's all so predictable.
LOL no need to do that..any child of mine is brought up with manners and respect.. something you know nothing about..
But then.. i have always believed you had to earn respect.. and you sure dont have mine.. or this would be a totally different conversation..
February 20, 2010 10:24 AM
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Yeah, coz you are just so respectful, aren't you?
heather is totally bonkers.
tara is a thief.
royanna is a scammer.
shannon and erick are greedy money grubbers.
miss tiina is a pirate.
Same shit, different day. We just need to make fill in the blanks out of the sentences above and changes the names periodically. It's all so predictable.
February 20, 2010 10:56 AM
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And your point is what? Don't like it, don't come or change the subject. Really simple.
Yeah, coz you are just so respectful, aren't you?
February 20, 2010 5:38 PM
Who asked you LOL
you pack of bitches needs to have a slander slapped at you. then I bet you will shut your bitchy lips.
Whateveh...
saying the topics are not original is itself, not original ROFL
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you pack of bitches needs to have a slander slapped at you. then I bet you will shut your bitchy lips.
February 20, 2010 6:23 PM
Not everyone who posts here is bitchy. Maybe only half of us. hahah
I hate to tell you this, but your post there...kind of makes you one of the bitchy ones. Just sayin.
She said/she said, you're a bitch/no you are, you're jealous/no you are, you're a pirate/no you are, you're trailer trash/no you are........ ho hum :P
Yeah, coz you are just so respectful, aren't you?
February 20, 2010 5:38 PM
Who asked you LOL
February 20, 2010 6:17 PM
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She did. *rolls eyes*
you pack of bitches needs to have a slander slapped at you. then I bet you will shut your bitchy lips.
February 20, 2010 6:23 PM
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It's only slander honey, when it's not true.
sorry love.. but its not my mouth thats slandering people here. I am not that low
I just hope I see the day that the ones that are running so many down here get what they deserve.
"what goes around comes around"
Honey!!
She did. *rolls eyes*
February 20, 2010 7:14 PM
* Gags on own vomit*
"what goes around comes around"
Honey!!
February 20, 2010 7:15 PM
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No it doesn't. That's just some stupid thing people say to make themselves feel better, but it's not true.
* Gags on own vomit*
February 20, 2010 7:46 PM
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Enjoy your snack.
sorry love.. but its not my mouth thats slandering people here. I am not that low
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I'm so glad you managed to lower yourself for a minute to post here.
I'm not slandering anyone either.
Leaving high school immaturity behind...Does anyone know if other Miss Tiina items are in question besides the frog and gifts? I've got a few of her vector packages and I wonder if any of them are safe. I got burned in the Amanda Dykan crap and really don't want to again.
Also wondering what will become of the DCR with the new ownership...
Enjoy your snack.
February 20, 2010 8:07 PM
Thanks!!!
Don't you have some kids to take care of or did you pawn them off on someone else so you can live on this blog?
Also wondering what will become of the DCR with the new ownership...
February 20, 2010 8:19 PM
Hopefully they get rid of it! It's the playpen for designers! It's funny shit in there!
Does anyone know if other Miss Tiina items are in question besides the frog and gifts? I've got a few of her vector packages and I wonder if any of them are safe.
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I don't know for sure. But I did notice that most of her vector images and all of the little Kawaii imagaes have disappeared suddenly from her store. I don't take that as a good sign.
Don't you have some kids to take care of or did you pawn them off on someone else so you can live on this blog?
February 20, 2010 8:41 PM
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You assume I have kids that need 24/7 care. I don't.
Also wondering what will become of the DCR with the new ownership...
February 20, 2010 8:19 PM
Hopefully they get rid of it! It's the playpen for designers! It's funny shit in there!
February 20, 2010 8:43 PM
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Or hopefully it will become what it was intended to be.
I hope they get rid of the Happy Place and the Hot Topic sections.
Does anyone know if other Miss Tiina items are in question besides the frog and gifts? I've got a few of her vector packages and I wonder if any of them are safe. I got burned in the Amanda Dykan crap and really don't want to again.
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Hmm, I guess the lesson here for you is to stop getting doodle and vector type CU from digi designers. There are lots of places that do this kind of thing, you may pay a little more, but you are guaranteed they are safe.
The only sure way to guarantee that something is "safe" is to do it your self. Sad but true.
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I agree, but for those who can't ...
Im just curious but doesnt Miss Tina also do a lot of work for Shabby Princess? I could be wrong but I thought I had seen a few "thanks to.." in the Shabby Princess terms of use, verbage mentioning Miss Tina. I thought she had done some drawings/doodles for her specifically unless SP just bought them commercially to use in her designs. Maybe it's someone else I'm thinking of?? Hopefully I am wrong..I'd hate to see such a good reputable designer mixed up with such a person like Miss Tina. That's assuming all of this is true about Miss Tina. Again, just a question. Pardon me if I am indeed mistaken.
From what I can tell only the frog and gifts were in question. I think some of the other stuff was retired awhile back when she did her site redesign and started repackaging.
Miss Tiina has come under fire before about copying and piracy. Once I'll grant as a mistake, but twice makes me think, well, twice.
I don't know about Shabby P as I haven't got anything from her in ages. As Shabby P is quite capable of doing it herself, I would be surprised she bought anything CU, unless it's a question of time.
Tina has designed for SP doing exclusive use. So most of what you see on the SP designs (like her calendar) was requested from Tina and is exclusive to SP.
Some of Tiina vectors were removed when the IKEA thing happened, so I'm assuming those were questionable too. The other vectors were removed when the frog and gift thing happened, so I would question those too.
I don't know about Shabby P as I haven't got anything from her in ages. As Shabby P is quite capable of doing it herself, I would be surprised she bought anything CU, unless it's a question of time.
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Actually Shabby Princess uses a fair amount of CU. Just look at her terms and credit that she gives. Every single kit (and I get most) has had CU credit. Not that I mind too much though because she knows how to change it up. The way it should be.
Some of Tiina vectors were removed when the IKEA thing happened, so I'm assuming those were questionable too. The other vectors were removed when the frog and gift thing happened, so I would question those too.
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Do you mean that the Tiina vectors were removed from SP stuff too? I know SP used a frog in one kit design but not sure it was the one in question that has been pulled and changed.
From what I can tell only the frog and gifts were in question. I think some of the other stuff was retired awhile back when she did her site redesign and started repackaging.
February 21, 2010 2:29 AM
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When did she do the site redesign? Because those Kawaii thing where in her store at least a week prior to the frog incident. I had considered buying them. Glad I didn't.
I agree, but for those who can't...
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Shouldn't be designing.
Anonymous said...
I agree, but for those who can't...
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Shouldn't be designing.
February 21, 2010 12:50 PM
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Or design in a style that doesn't require cute little drawings. There are lots of cute kits out there without them.
Oh no, please dont tell me Shabby Princes has gotten involved with this Miss Tiina chick too! What a shame that would be. With all that SP sells pulling any product in question would be terrible for her I imagine. Oh boy, what a mess this whole thing is. This is why I always thought CU was not a great idea. I mean I can see using something CU here or there. Like maybe a dover flower turned into an entirely new pattern for a paper. But I dont know about all the CU use out there.
I think we have completely redefined the word designer. Personally, I want to buy from an artist. All these so-called designers wake up one day and just call themselves a designer? I dont get that. Granted, some of the scrapper turned designers are very good but I really cannot understand how some of these designers sell a thing. Be an artist..not a designer. Be unique..not a copycat. Whatever. These band-wagon jumpers always make me laugh when they try to be the next scrap artist without an artistic bone in their body. If Tiina was an artist she wouldnt need to copy a thing. Am I alone in these thoughts?
Also wondering what will become of the DCR with the new ownership...
February 20, 2010 8:19 PM
Hopefully they get rid of it! It's the playpen for designers! It's funny shit in there!
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Playpen for the designers??? Hardly. All it had turned into was a shallow shopping bazaar for CU products.
If that's considered a playground, then I am definitely not going back.
"shoppin bazaar for CU products".. What is with all the friggen commercial use? I'm curious as to who might actually NOT use CU now. I mean someone said even Shabby Princess uses CU now too. I'm shocked. I just went and looked at the products I do have from her and sure enough 9:51am is right. I'm totally shocked. I thought she was the last original artist left. In the few kits I have from Shabby Princess there is a ton of "thanks to". WOW! Just wow. I know it should not matter as long as I love the kit I'm buying and usually I dont care as long as it works for me but all this talk about CU had me curious. I cannot imagine how this community has been taken over in this way with all the CU. It's everywhere! It blows my mind.
I think we have completely redefined the word designer. Personally, I want to buy from an artist. All these so-called designers wake up one day and just call themselves a designer? I dont get that. Granted, some of the scrapper turned designers are very good but I really cannot understand how some of these designers sell a thing. Be an artist..not a designer. Be unique..not a copycat. Whatever. These band-wagon jumpers always make me laugh when they try to be the next scrap artist without an artistic bone in their body. If Tiina was an artist she wouldnt need to copy a thing. Am I alone in these thoughts?
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I think I'll be a designer today...LMAO. So true!
Are we really going to have the cu argument again? Hasn't that been done over and over and over and over and over and over again?
I hear so many designers bitching about all the CU, but then it's hard to find kits to buy that don't use it. Very hypocritical.
heather is the ultimate personification of a trashy, low-class bitch.
I'm a scrapper, and I don't give a shit how much CU is in a kit as long as I like the stuff and it's not a total carbon copy of everything else out there.
SP has used CU for ages. It works because she has a way of using it that just looks good. Not many designers out there can do that. That's why she's still so successful. That, and she doesn't get involved in all the stupid drama and mud-slinging that 99% of digi designers engage in.
If you use CU, then your kits should be cheaper.
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I'm a scrapper, and I don't give a shit how much CU is in a kit as long as I like the stuff and it's not a total carbon copy of everything else out there.
SP has used CU for ages. It works because she has a way of using it that just looks good. Not many designers out there can do that. That's why she's still so successful. That, and she doesn't get involved in all the stupid drama and mud-slinging that 99% of digi designers engage in.
February 21, 2010 2:40 PM
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How do you know? She could be the anonymous poster above you for all you know.
I don't personally think that most designers involve themselves in drama. I think most scrappers don't either. It's just that the loud and obnoxious always stand out from the crowd.
I'm a designer and I use some cu - it's a Catch 22 really.
We are expected to make everything ourselves and compete with $1.00 sales and freebies that every other store has every day of the week, on top of that don't charge more than $5.00 for it.
There are a few artists out there, Rhonna Farrer, she makes huge original kits, draws her own stuff, has the audacity to charge $14.99 for it and everyone complains. (and NO, I'm not her but I've bought a few of her kits)
It's weird, her stuff is still at 2Peas but she doesn't seem to be there anymore. Does 2Peas OWN the kits even after a designer leaves?
Vinnie Pierce is another, I remember when she first opened her store - I bought tons of hers because it was original, she IS an artist and does artwork to sell.
I think Weeds & Wildfowers are somewhat unique too, although I don't know if they use any cu or draw their own.
Danielle at Something Blue Studios is great - I buy ALL her cu.
Since I started designing I don't buy much of anything though. (I get free everything at the store I sell at, except CU)
So, how much would you pay for an original kit?
SP's TOU include all those credits so she doesn't have to redo her TOU for every kit. Other designers do the same thing. Their TOU state something like "Items from one or more of the following designer MAY have been used in the making of this kit". They then list all the designers they have purchased CU stuff from. It doesn't mean they actually used CU items in that kit at all.
And for those who didn't see the full original post about Miss Tina in the DCR, it went on to say that Ikea and the original designer of the gift boxes said that people who had already purchased those things could still use them but they had to be removed from Tina's stores so no more could be sold.
No way am I paying 14.99 for a kit. I've liked a few of Rhonna's things, but not enough to pay the high price when there's similar stuff out there.
I've wondered about 2peas, too. Meredith Fenwick and some others are selling at a new store, but they still have stuff at 2peas. I thought a designer had to be exclusive to the pod?
So, how much would you pay for an original kit?
February 21, 2010 3:02 PM
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Depending on the kit and contents, somewhere between $8 to $10.
There are quite a few original designers out there. Sylvie Wagner, aka Sausan Designs, does all her own drawings. So does Danielle Donaldson over at SA. Designs by Lily at TLP draws her own too. Christine Honsinger and Nancy at SA collage and paint their own papers before scanning them. There are others out there.
No way am I paying 14.99 for a kit. I've liked a few of Rhonna's things, but not enough to pay the high price when there's similar stuff out there.
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If you were a real scrapper, you would know what it would cost to pay separately for all the pieces in the kit. For a long time most designers in this industry have underpriced themselves. The Rhonna's who've been around since the beginning have not. They still could command more for a kit and still be cheaper then if someone was buying the actual goods to scrap with. I think I paid $10.00 for a tin or her real doodle rubons which can only be used one time.
Of course most designers have to compete now with the ones selling all their stuff for $1.00 or entire stores for $25.00 so prices are rediculously low. Those who price their goods higher actually probably sell more then those selling everything for $1.00 and they don't have to sell as many!
Welcome back Pamela.
SP's TOU include all those credits so she doesn't have to redo her TOU for every kit. Other designers do the same thing. Their TOU state something like "Items from one or more of the following designer MAY have been used in the making of this kit". They then list all the designers they have purchased CU stuff from. It doesn't mean they actually used CU items in that kit at all.
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WRONG. SP does a completely new TOU with this information for EVERY single collection. She is very meticulous about that and crediting from the few sources she uses. Not that you would ever even knew she used commercial use items. That's how good she really is. I know all this because I have been on her team for some time. She is a great artist that shouldnt even be talked about here really unless it's about something good. She has had her own paper lines and works with lots of companies. She is the be all, end all of artists.
Are we really going to have the cu argument again? Hasn't that been done over and over and over and over and over and over again?
Dont like the discussion? Then dont read or contribute. Its as simple as that. Just because you know and heard it all before doesnt mean all of us have. Some of us are newer and want to hear or discuss it. Maybe you have been around for every post, every minute of every day but not all of us has that much time on our hands. thanks for your input though.
WRONG. SP does a completely new TOU with this information for EVERY single collection. She is very meticulous about that and crediting from the few sources she uses. Not that you would ever even knew she used commercial use items. That's how good she really is. I know all this because I have been on her team for some time. She is a great artist that shouldnt even be talked about here really unless it's about something good. She has had her own paper lines and works with lots of companies. She is the be all, end all of artists.
February 21, 2010 4:46 PM
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If you don't want people to talk about a designer here then you should make sure to NEVER respond to those posts. You fuel the fire by discussing it further in anyway. And especially if you post comes off as holier-than-thou as yours did to me.
Look at the whole Tara/Heather/Hollie issue. That would have died down days ago but Heather keeps coming back here and pushing buttons and that is the only reason it keeps going.
If you love your designer, never ever mention their name here for any reason. Not even to defend them.
Of course most designers have to compete now with the ones selling all their stuff for $1.00 or entire stores for $25.00 so prices are rediculously low. Those who price their goods higher actually probably sell more then those selling everything for $1.00 and they don't have to sell as many!
So I should raise my prices and I'll sell more? LOL
I understand what you're saying though, you might be right.
I know myself I tend to buy CU products that are higher priced because I don't want all the $1-2 stuff that everyone else has.
I'm not sure if customers of just regular non-cu kits feel that way though.
And to whoever said 99% of designers are involved in mud slinging and drama - I believe it's more like 1%. I have access to the DCR - I never see anything nasty in there - like someone else said it's mostly ISO CU threads. Pretty boring really!
If you love your designer, never ever mention their name here for any reason. Not even to defend them.
February 21, 2010 5:08 PM
Wise words, but the heathers will never listen.
I have access to the DCR - I never see anything nasty in there - like someone else said it's mostly ISO CU threads. Pretty boring really!
February 21, 2010 5:29 PM
I call total bullshit. There's always references here to stuff that's been posted in the DCR. The designers who were sharing customers' personal info. was all done in the DCR. Plenty goes on in there-the stuff that designers don't want customers to see. There'd be no need for a closed forum otherwise. But it's a moot point because of all the designers that cut and paste and blab. And more than 1% of the posts here are from designers. All the scandal and drama would dry up quick if designers would act like professionals.
All the scandal and drama would dry up quick if designers would act like professionals.
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Yeah cuz it's all the designers doing it. You yourself have nothing to do with the drama here and elsewhere in digi right? @@
I call total bullshit. There's always references here to stuff that's been posted in the DCR. The designers who were sharing customers' personal info. was all done in the DCR. Plenty goes on in there-the stuff that designers don't want customers to see. There'd be no need for a closed forum otherwise. But it's a moot point because of all the designers that cut and paste and blab. And more than 1% of the posts here are from designers. All the scandal and drama would dry up quick if designers would act like professionals.
True, but that happened once that I know of, and it was ONE store, not 99%.
In fairness, I don't really keep up, I usually check once a day, maybe everything gets deleted before I get there. lol AND, I never copy and paste anything from there because I agreed not to when I signed up. :)
I haven't had access to the DCR in a long time, but even when I left, it was pretty dull. It used to be interesting, and not in a drama way either.
There was always far more drama on the main boards.
Weren't the real details about Tara and her scams in the DCR and not on the main boards? Not sure if I've got my dramas mixed up, though. lol
All the scandal and drama would dry up quick if designers would act like professionals.
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Yeah cuz it's the designers doing it.
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No, just 99% of it ;)
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Weren't the real details about Tara and her scams in the DCR and not on the main boards? Not sure if I've got my dramas mixed up, though. lol
February 21, 2010 6:02 PM
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From what I saw, there was way more drama on the main board. The designers in the DCR who posted were very understanding and appreciative of the info. In the main thread there was quite a bit of drama from people who felt that Tara shouldn't have been exposed until there was proof available.
There was more information provided in the DCR thread than the public one. So yeah there were more details there. But less drama.
If you were a real scrapper, you would know what it would cost to pay separately for all the pieces in the kit.
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Real scrapper? You've got to be kidding.
There was more information provided in the DCR thread than the public one. So yeah there were more details there. But less drama.
February 21, 2010 6:07 PM
I wonder if more of the details had been provided on the public forum, then maybe there would have been less drama? All the secrecy seems to fuel so much of the drama-mongering
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Agreed.
I think all the attempted (there's always been some that have been more than happy to leak stuff) secrecy of the DCR is what has fueled a lot of the drama over the years. It was a good idea in theory, but very poorly implemented.
True, but that happened once that I know of, and it was ONE store, not 99%.
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Actually, there were multiple designers posting private customer information IN the DCR. It wasn't limited to just one site. But if I remember correctly, it was Royanna who started the whole thing.
I haven't been coming here long enough to know why they were sharing customer info in the designer's forum.
What's the story?
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It was something that happened almost two years ago.
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there were some customers who were going store to store, running up huge purchases, then charging them back. Paypal was siding with the buyer even though it was obvious it was a scam. So the stores shared the information so other stores didn't get hit by the scammers.
Seems like a reasonable thing to do. Why would that be controversial?
Yes and apart from that 2 years ago, no personal information has been shared. No links to pirate sites are shared in the DCR either. After that first issue of sharing the scammers info, it was no longer permitted so it hasn't happened in there since. It really is seriously boring in there these days. 99% of people just need help with store software issues or are looking for specific things or asking for help with programs so don't start getting paranoid and thinking you are missing out on anything interesting because you aren't.
Seems like a reasonable thing to do. Why would that be controversial?
February 21, 2010 9:32 PM
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Because customers felt their privacy had been breached. It didn't really matter that every time one of them used or uses their credit card or debit card, their info is no longer safe in the real world.
If you don't want people to talk about a designer here then you should make sure to NEVER respond to those posts. You fuel the fire by discussing it further in anyway. And especially if you post comes off as holier-than-thou as yours did to me.
Look at the whole Tara/Heather/Hollie issue. That would have died down days ago but Heather keeps coming back here and pushing buttons and that is the only reason it keeps going.
If you love your designer, never ever mention their name here for any reason. Not even to defend them.
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Thats the problem..always telling people what to do or not to do, what to think or not to think. Who has the holier-than-tho attitude? Let the poster defend whoever or whatever she wants. Why does she need to be so limited? Isn't that why this blog is here..to keep from being so limited in our expressions publicly as we have been elsewhere in the past? Unless of course you now make the rules here.
Thats the problem..always telling people what to do or not to do, what to think or not to think. Who has the holier-than-tho attitude? Let the poster defend whoever or whatever she wants. Why does she need to be so limited? Isn't that why this blog is here..to keep from being so limited in our expressions publicly as we have been elsewhere in the past? Unless of course you now make the rules here.
February 21, 2010 10:09 PM
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OMG. I am sorry if I came across to you that way. It's hard to type things without having what you say come across in 50 different ways to 50 different people. Apparently I offended you. So for that, I am sorry.
I wasn't actually trying to tell her what to do or what not to do just because that's how I want it here. In all honesty, I'd much prefer this blog just died. It's hurtful to a lot of people. But since I'm not the blog owner, I don't have a say in that.
I was trying to tell the poster, that the manner in which she was defending her designer, came across in a negative way. Mainly stating that her designer is "the end all be all" came across as fairly snooty to me. To me, that's not a good light to be painted in. So in the end, her post could end up hurting the designer rather than helping her.
And as far as not letting her post here, she has the right to say whatever she wants to say obviously. But if she cares about her designer and doesn't want to see her bashed in a cruel way, she should never type her designer's name here at all. Not even to defend her. Because once a name gets brought up here, that person is fair game. And it seems there is always at least one person that wants to tear any named person down.
I happen to really like the designer she was discussing and didn't want to see her name getting dragged around in this mudpit. So I was actually trying to give her a helpful warning. If you are new to this blog, you might think that by defending someone, you can help them. And that just isn't true here.
I really do think that most of the posters here who just want an honest and completely open discussion. I don't think all of us are here purely to be nasty. Or am I wrong? lol
OMG. I am sorry if I came across to you that way. It's hard to type things without having what you say come across in 50 different ways to 50 different people. Apparently I offended you. So for that, I am sorry.
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You didn't. The person who responded to you was being ridiculous and trying to cause trouble. Your post was very clear on what you were trying to say.
And as far as not letting her post here, she has the right to say whatever she wants to say obviously. But if she cares about her designer and doesn't want to see her bashed in a cruel way, she should never type her designer's name here at all. Not even to defend her. Because once a name gets brought up here, that person is fair game. And it seems there is always at least one person that wants to tear any named person down.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh aint that the truth, these guys will bag anyone and everyone, but its fun to watch all this antisocial behavior!!
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You didn't. The person who responded to you was being ridiculous and trying to cause trouble. Your post was very clear on what you were trying to say.
February 21, 2010 10:57 PM
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Thank you! And that apparently answers my question about whether nice people post here as well. ROFL!
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I think we have completely redefined the word designer. Personally, I want to buy from an artist. All these so-called designers wake up one day and just call themselves a designer? I dont get that. Granted, some of the scrapper turned designers are very good but I really cannot understand how some of these designers sell a thing. Be an artist..not a designer. Be unique..not a copycat. Whatever. These band-wagon jumpers always make me laugh when they try to be the next scrap artist without an artistic bone in their body. If Tiina was an artist she wouldnt need to copy a thing. Am I alone in these thoughts?
February 21, 2010 1:03 PM
No not alone, everytime I browse throught he galleries Im amazed at all the copycat crap. And a lot of it is CU crap, the kits are full of them, and they do all start to look alike, of course there are some high quality CU stuff, but the 'designers' wont pay that much for them. Take a look at Mystique Designs new stuff, its total trash, I used to love her designs, but now, I wouldnt take the kits if she gave them away.
And, Youre also right about them waking up one morning and deciding to be a designer. LOL, some of them cant even extract well.
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KMA? Are those your initials (how unfortunate!) or are you asking us all to kiss your ass (thanks, I'll pass)?
ake a look at Mystique Designs new stuff, its total trash, I used to love her designs, but now, I wouldnt take the kits if she gave them away.
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I like real elements, but this habit a lot of designers have lately of shoving together totally unrelated elements and calling it a kit is driving me nuts.
OMG. I am sorry if I came across to you that way. It's hard to type things without having what you say come across in 50 different ways to 50 different people. Apparently I offended you. So for that, I am sorry.
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Ok, now I see. Maybe I was being to quick to judge your post. I apologize for that. I was being a smart ass when I said be all end all though. It was pure sarcasm and I should have said so. But I get it. I am newer here and didnt really think every designer got slammed so eaily. Luckily, she is a great and reutable designer and that doesn't need validating..just glad she hasnt been slammed since i have been frequenting this blog or posted. Again, no offense taken by your post. Sorry for my sarcasm. Have a great night.
Shabby P has never been slammed on this blog. Her name has come up a couple of times with the CU issue, but she's not been slammed, at least, I've never seen it.
Real scrapper? You've got to be kidding.
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Poor choice of words-should have said paper scrapper. I do realize that digi scrappers are also real scrappers.
Definition - artist = the definition of an artist is wide-ranging and covers a broad spectrum of activities to do with creating art, practicing the arts and/or demonstrating an art - Artist is a descriptive term applied to a person who engages in an activity deemed to be an art. An artist also may be defined unofficially, as, "a person who expresses themselves through a medium". The word also is used in a qualitative sense of, a person creative in, innovative in, or adept at, an artistic practice.
Definition -designer = A designer is a person who designs or creates something-usually implies being creative in a particular area of expertise - Experiences are really what designers are creating through the thoughtful and deliberate application of design - People demand better experiences and it is the role of the designer to deliver this through the observation of life and the people living it, in order to identify opportunities that makes life better and more meaningful, in most cases meaningful enough to pay more money for.
Maybe designers are a little of both though in the making of digital scrapbook kits we are talking more about design then art. If I want art I go to a gallery. If I want some way of making memories I go to a scrapbook store or in this case a digital store.
I think we have completely redefined the word designer. Personally, I want to buy from an artist. All these so-called designers wake up one day and just call themselves a designer? I dont get that. Granted, some of the scrapper turned designers are very good but I really cannot understand how some of these designers sell a thing. Be an artist..not a designer. Be unique..not a copycat. Whatever. These band-wagon jumpers always make me laugh when they try to be the next scrap artist without an artistic bone in their body. If Tiina was an artist she wouldnt need to copy a thing. Am I alone in these thoughts?
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I agree. And just this morning I learned of a digital designer that is a real artist...the kind that you are talking about. I received a newsletter with the story of Alana McCarthy. There's even a picture of her painting in the streets of Toronto.
http://www.scrapbookgraphics.com/downloads/fruitopia.jpg
Here is a quote from the email:
"Alana McCarthy is an award winning illustrator working out of downtown Toronto. She graduated with Honours from the illustration program at Ontario College of Art and Design. Her work is punctuated with bright colors, strong contrast, stylized realism and unique lighting. She works in acrylic and delivers digitally. Her clients have included The Wall Street Journal, Loblaws, Milk, Cadbury, Coca-Cola, Scholastic, Penguin Books, and Absolut Vodka. Her art has been recognized by such design annuals as Communication Arts, American Illustration and How Magazine.".
She is an ARTIST turned DESIGNER who had to learn about scrapbooking (isn't that a welcomed change!). She sells at SBG and she's totally unique.
I've seen Alana McCarthy's stuff since she first got to SBG. Haven't been very impressed-just not my style or taste.
There are plenty of ARTISTS out there that produce crap. All this CU snobbery is just redonkulous. The problem isn't that people USE CU. It's that so many are lazy and totally lacking in creativity and just plop it as-is into kits.
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-----------------------------------I agree. And just this morning I learned of a digital designer that is a real artist...the kind that you are talking about. I received a newsletter with the story of Alana McCarthy. There's even a picture of her painting in the streets of Toronto.
http://www.scrapbookgraphics.com/downloads/fruitopia.jpg
Here is a quote from the email:
"Alana McCarthy is an award winning illustrator working out of downtown Toronto. She graduated with Honours from the illustration program at Ontario College of Art and Design. Her work is punctuated with bright colors, strong contrast, stylized realism and unique lighting. She works in acrylic and delivers digitally. Her clients have included The Wall Street Journal, Loblaws, Milk, Cadbury, Coca-Cola, Scholastic, Penguin Books, and Absolut Vodka. Her art has been recognized by such design annuals as Communication Arts, American Illustration and How Magazine.".
She is an ARTIST turned DESIGNER who had to learn about scrapbooking (isn't that a welcomed change!). She sells at SBG and she's totally unique.
February 22, 2010 8:17 AM
From what I can tell only the frog and gifts were in question. I think some of the other stuff was retired awhile back when she did her site redesign and started repackaging.
February 21, 2010 2:29 AM
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When did she do the site redesign? Because those Kawaii thing where in her store at least a week prior to the frog incident. I had considered buying them. Glad I didn't.
February 21, 2010 11:37 AM
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All her kawaii stuff was blatantly traced over web images. Just type Kawaii in google images and you'll see.
http://www.fruitycuties.com/about-fruity-cuties-comedy.htm
http://www.kaboodle.com/reviews/kawaii-fruit-cu
The pear is EXACTLY the same shape. If you place one over the other, it fits perfectly. I don't know if a "shape" can be copyrighted or not. And her face is obviously not a direct copy. So I don't know if copyright is an issue here. But it really does make me suspicious of using any of her CU.
There are plenty of ARTISTS out there that produce crap. All this CU snobbery is just redonkulous. The problem isn't that people USE CU. It's that so many are lazy and totally lacking in creativity and just plop it as-is into kits.
February 22, 2010 10:54 AM
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I agree and I think that's what the complaining is all about it. That's why people keep going on about all kits looking the same.
The pear is EXACTLY the same shape. If you place one over the other, it fits perfectly. I don't know if a "shape" can be copyrighted or not. And her face is obviously not a direct copy. So I don't know if copyright is an issue here. But it really does make me suspicious of using any of her CU.
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Now that looks like outright copying but shapes can not be copyrighted, ideas can not be copyrighted. The least she could have done is make the pear shape a bit different and draw the face differently. Add a thicker top. I mean changing something is easy but she totally broke the site's copyright by copying the fruit in the first place and the site owners could come after her just like IKEA did. Too bad IKEA allowed her not to contact everyone who bought the kit with the frog and refund their money. Once you've had to pull your designs and contact all your customers first hand, I bet she would stop and consider what she can and can't pull off the internet.
You can not go on any site that doesn't allow public domain or right of usage and just use whatever the hell you want. She knows it-she just tried pulling a quick one that came back to bite her.
Now that looks like outright copying but shapes can not be copyrighted,
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That's true, but shapes can be trademarked, the coke swirls for instance. They can also have design patents put on them, like car companies do for their cars. Now I'm not saying this is the case, but it can and does happen.
That fruit pack has now been removed. Is someone actively out there searching for anything that Tina may have copied? Who has time to go looking anyway? lol Will she have anything left in her store at all?
The whole kawaii and fruit stuff came up months and months ago. No one wanted to believe it then. Oh the irony.
If you knew about the Kawaii fruit problem months ago, why didn't you bother to link anyone up with some proof? I guess waiting so that you could gloat anonymously seemed more appealing to you?
I didn't bring it up the first time and guess what? It was linked with proof the first time it was brought up.
I don't need to gloat.
Well this is the first time I've heard of any problem with her CU items. Guess I missed that first post. Thanks for reminding us all that it was here before. If we could find the old posts on here, it might be useful to people who've bought her stuff.
Do you remember about the time that it was brought up before?
No, I don't and I have been looking but there is so much to sift through.
If there's any proof at all of miss tiina pirating, then it's a very sure bet that none of her stuff is safe to use. Why take the chance?
Ok, I'm calling bullshit here. I can't remember which anon poster postulated the position that designers must be able to draw their own designs or they cannot be referred to as 'artists' or even 'designers'. That's a classic parochial vision of art.
Let me ask you this. Must interior decorators make their own fabric? Weave their own cloth and then sew the curtains? Must they design their own curtain patterns?
When you buy flowers from a florist, must the flower designer who is putting together the arrangements also have grown the flowers themselves? Why do you buy arrangements? Why not simply make them yourself?
What is the definition of an artist? Only one who can draw? OMG, that's soooo naive and narrow minded.
I'm not trying to say that all of the designers now selling are artists. Simply buying CU and recoloring is not very artistic. But some of us can take CU and view it as it should be - as a starting point. From then on, we change, we merge, we subtract or add to it. If scrappers feel that they can do the same, then make your own. I spend DAYS and DAYS making a kit. I have spent hours on one element. When I'm done, I know that it's unique and hell yes, it's a work of ART!
OK, rant over.....
I think the "interior designer" and the "florist" you refer to in your example would be more like the scrapper in ours. Not the designer.
I agree, in the interior design example, the interior designer is the 'scrapper' and the curtain pattern designer is the 'designer'. But the curtain pattern designer doesn't print the curtains herself, she uses textiles made by other people, printed by other people, packaged and distributed by other people. Only the creative part is the designer's work, ie the flowery pattern or whatever it is. In the digiscrap world, it's the creative part of the kit that's the designer's work. The templates, textures, brushes, etc she uses to put the creative part together are like the manufacturing parts of the curtains, if she didn't make them herself it doesn't detract from her creativity. Just like in art, it's the idea that counts. A terrible (or non-existent) idea with the best execution in the world doesn't make it, and the worst execution of a fantastic idea doesn't stop it being art.
I think we (general we) are confusing the use of CU with a lack of creativity, when CU is only a means to express a creative idea. Or at least that is the theory, I agree there are some 'designers' who think buying and using the right tools (CU) makes your work 'creative'. It doesn't, by itself.
I think there is a lot of difference between a designer who uses design brushes, shapes, styles or actions, etc. as tools to assist in the creation of a kit and one that buys every extracted cu piece on the market, changes the color, plops it into a kit with 20 other purchased CU pieces and calls it done.
I buy from designers who use cu, but I don't buy from those who just recolor and plop cu. Not because the kits are bad, some are beautiful. I just don't want the same bow, string and flower that I just purchased in 3 other kits in a different color.
So I am absolutely not against the proper use of CU. I just refuse to purchase the same item over and over.
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Well said. The biggest problem I have with CU is that some of it is so darn fugly. The birds, the big-headed people, etc. There's nothing a designer can do to make it look good if the basic shape is bad.
I don't have a problem with anyone using CU. I have a problem with digital scrapbook kit designers using CU as it is, simply throwing together a kit without any other thought process than a color scheme.
I DO have a very large problem with CU designers putting out absolute crap or pirating or copying. The whole principal of selling a CU item is that you have the ability to create quality items that others could find useful in their own products and that you have the absolute right to sell that product with a professional usage license.
While we can't save all wannabe designers from themselves, CU designers need to be aware that any designers using those products could absolutely get in legal trouble for using a product they felt secure in purchasing.
The biggest problem I have with CU is that some of it is so darn fugly
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I agree but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There's crap out there that I simply can't believe anyone in their right mind would buy. LOL
OK, so what are you guys thoughts on miss "Holliwood's" newest "Kit" "Thing Finder". Just a bunch of extracted crap all thrown together... makes no sense whatsoever IMO. Bunch of junk that really I can't see ever using on a true scrapbook page. Digital "art" - yeah maybe, but scrapbook?? No.
Is that what it takes to be a "designer" now? Being able to collect, scan, and extract a bunch of junk?
OK, so what are you guys thoughts on miss "Holliwood's" newest "Kit" "Thing Finder". Just a bunch of extracted crap all thrown together... makes no sense whatsoever IMO. Bunch of junk that really I can't see ever using on a true scrapbook page. Digital "art" - yeah maybe, but scrapbook?? No.
Is that what it takes to be a "designer" now? Being able to collect, scan, and extract a bunch of junk?
February 23, 2010 7:29 PM
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The more you talk about it the more people will go buy it! I'm sure Hollie appreciates the shout out!
OK, so what are you guys thoughts on miss "Holliwood's" newest "Kit" "Thing Finder". Just a bunch of extracted crap all thrown together... makes no sense whatsoever IMO. Bunch of junk that really I can't see ever using on a true scrapbook page. Digital "art" - yeah maybe, but scrapbook?? No.
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Maybe you are just a little limited then. In the CT layouts, there were quite a few real scrap book pages.
Besides, what's wrong with selling to the digital artist? Hollie is just broadening her customer base.
Hmm, when did Angela Powers move from TLP to Oscraps and why?
A while ago! I think her and Emily moved at the same time.
Maybe you are just a little limited then. In the CT layouts, there were quite a few real scrap book pages.
Besides, what's wrong with selling to the digital artist? Hollie is just broadening her customer base.
February 23, 2010 9:34 PM
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I'm limited too, then, because I thought it was a disjointed mess. It's nothing personal, so more power to her if she can sell it.
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But's that the point. It's supposed to be just things. Did you check out the CT pages? They put it together. But I never have been a matchy matchy person.
I'm limited too, then, because I thought it was a disjointed mess. It's nothing personal, so more power to her if she can sell it.
February 23, 2010 10:10 PM
That's where creativity comes in! You can make scrapbook pages with her new kit, you can do art with her new kit.
It's really up to who buys it what they want to make with it.
If you don't like it don't buy it.
ok. interesting kit, but most if not all of the ct layouts shown are not just regular type of scrap pages, they are all more of the fantasy type of layouts.
i like the idea behind the kit and some of the stuff would be fun to play with, but i agree that it is too much of a disjointed mess for me to want to actually spend money on. wtf would I do with an elephant and a dear head anyway?
If you don't like it don't buy it.
February 23, 2010 10:57 PM
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True. Since I don't like most of what I see these days, and I don't always buy even the stuff I do like, it won't be a sacrifice to skip it. I've got enough stash guilt to deal with as it is.
ok. interesting kit, but most if not all of the ct layouts shown are not just regular type of scrap pages, they are all more of the fantasy type of layouts.
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I disagree. At least half of them are 'normal' pages.
ok. interesting kit, but most if not all of the ct layouts shown are not just regular type of scrap pages, they are all more of the fantasy type of layouts.
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If not all? That would be true if your definition of a fantasy page is 'something I wouldn't scrap'. I was actually impressed with the number of just scrap pages in the preview. There are usually way more fantasy ones in Hollie's previews.
wtf would I do with an elephant and a dear head anyway?
February 23, 2010 11:15 PM
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I love this. I know the feeling. This is how I feel when I see kits with teddy bears, pillows, vases and stuff in them. What the heck do I do with them?
i like the idea behind the kit and some of the stuff would be fun to play with, but i agree that it is too much of a disjointed mess for me to want to actually spend money on. wtf would I do with an elephant and a dear head anyway?
February 23, 2010 11:15 PM
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Say your husband hunts that would be good to use.
As for the elephant I'd use it on a page with my mother in law.
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Say your husband hunts that would be good to use.
As for the elephant I'd use it on a page with my mother in law.
February 24, 2010 6:29 AM
if my husband hunted, i would probably want to document his kills with an actual deer that HE had killed, would I not? i'm not getting the appeal of using someone else's trophy.
i lol'ed about the elephant on a page about your mother-in-law. i love and respect my mil too much too much to ever consider doing such a thing, but you never know. there are times she rubs me the wrong way.
i stand corrected about most of the layouts being fantasy type of layouts. still. i wouldn't consider them "normal" scrapbook layouts. maybe not fantasy, but they are not everyday scrapper layouts. maybe i'm wrong. its just my opinion so it doesn't matter anyway.
the ct layout with the alphabet is my favorite and one of the more "normal" layouts, imo. much more inspiring since I know that is a look i can achieve on my own.
i never bought from holliewood and i'm not breaking that trend today. gonna keep a hold on my $5 for now.
I hate that more and more designers are off on the fantasy or cluster-fuck look with their kits. I'm such an old school digital scrapbooker. I like my photos to be large, in-tact and the main focus of my pages. Everything else is for accentuating the photo. I'd be laughed off of a gallery and people would think I'm new, when I've actually been digitally scrapping my pictures since before I even knew there was a name for it.
Nowadays, it seems like you have to search and search to find a photo that will work with all the nonsense shit that is packed into some of these kits. I look through store after store and my brain hurts from trying to find something I can actually use. I guess I'm part of a dying breed. Good for today's designers, bad for me. Well--I take that back. Bad for the designers, good for me because it's been over a year since I've bought more than a pack of buttons, bows or similar item from a CU store because that's all I feel I can use and the rest I either make or use from old stashes of kits.
That is when you stop caring what people think of your pages. Scrap for you and if they don't like it they can kiss your ass lol
I want to see those CT members do 5 "scrapbook pages" each with at least 3 different items from Hollie's kit.
I digi-dare them!!!! (what happened to that BTW?)
It is not worth it to buy a kit at that price to only use 2 pieces. or just all of the papers.
Oh, and NO STOCK PHOTOS!!!!
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I dare you to actually use your creativity and make a page with Hollie's kit, but you can't cause your head is up your fucking ass
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I dare you to actually use your creativity and make a page with Hollie's kit, but you can't cause your head is up your fucking ass
February 24, 2010 12:37 PM
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Oh yay! Tara "full stop." and Heather ".." are back! How fun for us!
Oh yay! Tara "full stop." and Heather ".." are back! How fun for us!
February 24, 2010 1:41 PM
I am not Heather NOR Tara! Keep guessing!
Go back to your carnival job as a shitty fortune teller
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Just another one of Hollie's CTMs then?
Here's the thing, I like Hollie, I think her designs are unique. But she apparently makes really bad choices in CTMs. If you all would quit running here to try to defend her, or at least quit defending her in a really negative way, her name would drop off this blog. You stirring up drama is what keeps it going. That's what this blog is about. Your posts reflect on Hollie. Sad but true.
No not a CTM either!
I'm a very loyal customer who really thinks it is bad taste to slam her cause one is jealous of her designs.
I find it easy to use her stuff, if you don't then don't go to her store.
All it is doing is making you look really bitter and almost jealous. Maybe you didn't make it onto her team?
Oh and don't try and slam the customer since its customers who pretty much pay your bills.
Looks like someone peed in your cornflakes today. It's the only reason I can see for getting all het up about a small criticism of Hollie's kit.
Keep on though. It's very amusing. :-)
All it is doing is making you look really bitter and almost jealous. Maybe you didn't make it onto her team?
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Nope. I'm not a CT kind of gal. Like I said, I LIKE HOLLIE. I am actually just trying to clue you in that you are making her look bad.
GIVEN:
(ANY negative post, even one where you defend the designer) + (Designer's Name) = (Bad pulicity for the designer)
But since you don't seem to want to listen, go to town. Make yourself look like dumbass and drag her down with you.
But since you don't seem to want to listen, go to town. Make yourself look like dumbass and drag her down with you.
February 24, 2010 2:06 PM
How? Im a customer. I highly doubt she will tell me never to buy from her again lol
I could really care less what you think.
Anytime anyone defends anyone here, you reply the same way. Get over yourself.
Like you, we can say our opinions too.
Isn't the customer always right LOL
As a matter of fact I bet she will have much bigger sales on this kit now cause everyone will be curious if they can use it.
I bought it!
Anyway I am done here! Have fun
Ba-bye.
Anytime anyone defends anyone here, you reply the same way. Get over yourself.
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Not sure why you are pissed that I'm trying to help a designer that you claim you like. The reason I keep replying this way is because I have been reading this blog for a long long time. I've seen it happen over and over again. A designer's name is mentioned, people have a hey day tearing into them. People defend them. It gets worse. It goes on and on.
But I've also seen a designer's name mentioned and no one replies, and it is quickly forgotten. Seems like the better approach.
I am a designer. I've been trashed here. Im not going to lie, it hurts to have people tear you down. Even anonymously. I don't want to see fellow designers whom I like getting trashed when they don't deserve it. So my advice will always be don't name anyone on this blog for any reason and I've asked my personal CT to follow that as a guideline.
Maybe you see things differently. But my guess is that most designers that read here, NEVER want their name mentioned on this blog for any reason at all. Hence, the advice not to do it. But you can take that however you want. It's just too bad that you are angry about it for some reason.
I like that we can discuss things openly and honestly here, which is why I keep reading. I also like to know when someone may have been doing something not on the up and up that may affect me. I just don't like seeing people trashed for no reason. I guess I just need a thicker skin. Either way, I'll not mention it again as it is taken the wrong way.
I'm sorry if I came off that way. I understand now what you mean.
I'm not mad about what you said, it is the other " women".
It is hard not to defend a designer you like.
It is cause this blog you can post anon that some of these girls act all tough. I bet if their names got mentioned they wouldn't be so tough anymore. They would be crying, begging for defenders. They can dish it out but they can't take it in return.
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Well I reread my original post and it does sound pretty snippy and know-it-all. LOL Sorry! I got caught up in the tone of the blog I guess. Apologies.
I look through store after store and my brain hurts from trying to find something I can actually use. I guess I'm part of a dying breed.
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I wouldn't say that. If you check a lot of the galleries, there are a lot of just plain ordinary pages. It seems to be returning. Trends come and go.
I had a recent peek at TDC and it looks as though they have a nice mix of traditional and fantasy. Same with Oscraps, TLP, Elemental Scraps, Scrap Matters, Mscraps. Where are you shopping?
I want to see those CT members do 5 "scrapbook pages" each with at least 3 different items from Hollie's kit.
I digi-dare them!!!! (what happened to that BTW?)
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How many pages do you usually make using just one kit? I can never use just one kit, which is probably why I'm no good as a CTM.
Digi Dares is still around.
I dare you to actually use your creativity and make a page with Hollie's kit, but you can't cause your head is up your fucking ass
February 24, 2010 12:37 PM
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That was uncalled for. Why the need to be so rude and vulgar? I know it's a smack blog but that doesn't mean you have to be so base.
All it is doing is making you look really bitter and almost jealous. Maybe you didn't make it onto her team?
February 24, 2010 1:57 PM
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What kind of argument is that? I really have to wonder why someone always brings this up. Jealousy or bitter because they didn't make the team or store. Are they only reasons you don't like something? Because you are either bitter or jealous?
I dare you to actually use your creativity and make a page with Hollie's kit, but you can't cause your head is up your fucking ass
February 24, 2010 12:37 PM
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Jesus H. Christ! Since they get the kit for free, and people need a little more inspiration, I thought it would be fun for them. They could even get some freakin' publicity! (hence, the "digi-dare" reference).
And I should mention that I AM on Hollie's mailing list, and I have bought some of her products.
All it is doing is making you look really bitter and almost jealous. Maybe you didn't make it onto her team?
February 24, 2010 1:57 PM
I quit all of mine a long time ago. I hate scrapping with deadlines.
I quit all of mine a long time ago. I hate scrapping with deadlines.
February 24, 2010 4:22 PM
I have to agree with you there!
From what I see sometimes alot of shit talking comes from people the designer pissed off in some way.
The only thing worse than bitter designers who love to act like they're the be-all of the whole digiscrap scene and their rabid CT members are ass-sniffing "fans," if you can believe that's who's actually posting. I don't but whatever makes them feel better about being here.
Sometimes I wonder if designers realize how detrimental obnoxious CT members can be. There aren't many CT layouts that have caused me to buy a kit I didn't already have my eye on, but rabid, bitchy CT members have sure made me stop buying from more than 1 designer.
Here is a link to the new DST owner
http://www.leedodd.com/about-lee-dodd/
^^not impressed^^
He sounds like a lazy, uneducated poser. I had to LMAO at the $500/hour consulting fee.
He's evidently looking to buy active forums and milk them for all the ad and/or traffic-based revenue he can. DST is not anywhere near as active or busy as it used to be. It's a sinking ship, and more pimping and commercialization is probably going to just make it worse. Plus, he's not going to have any idea about the digi scrap community.
lazy, uneducated poser---he probably has a lot in common with Shannon and DST Daddy.
He sounds like a lazy, uneducated poser. I had to LMAO at the $500/hour consulting fee.
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If he's bringing in money, what does it matter? I know lots of educated people who aren't working. Having a degree isn't everything. Laugh all you want about the consulting fee, but if he's getting paid, he's having the last laugh, isn't he?
Well, after reading Lee's pompass bio, I refuse to purchase any ad space over there going forward.
Yeah, let's just ignore the fact that within a week of taking over and telling everyone he was going to change to a faster server, he actually had the nerve to change to a faster server.
DST is blazing along now. I might actually visit for more than 2 minutes, if there was anything that interested me... which there usually isn't.
Shame, being a diamond member and all.
I wish Lee all the best. Might be a refreshing change.
So why not bash this new guy Lee. I mean he has owned DST for all of 5 minutes and now he's an uneducated poser and a pompass ass-give me a break. As if you really know the guy and what he does or doesn't do. It's refreshing to read that a 31 year old without an education has made something of himself and can support a wife and two children and even a few employees. Oh yeah and the server has made the site super fast. Oh and ghee whiz there's about 100 people on at this ripe hour of the morning.
I mean really crawl back under that rock and if he screws up then you have a reason to trash the poor guy.
TXMusicMom needs to suck it up.
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?s=fa4bf17dc571350755fcacb0474cc5b8&t=226016
She's a fine one to tell others not to criticize.......... she's the biggest complainer and critisizer at DST. I hadn't missed her not being around so it's a bit sad to see she's "back". Maybe if she wasn't at DAT at all, others would come back.
Should say DST
Traci Reed's new kit has real Goldfish crackers in it. Aren't those like copyrighted?
Traci Reed - I remember when there was a huge fight behind the scences over at SSD over bringing her on that leaked all over. None of the team wanted her but eventually they took her on anyway. I always wondered why they didn't like her. Can anyone spill on her? Just curious. Dont know her personally but you know..curiosity killed the cat. I have never purchased anything of hers as I think she isn't very talented (same ole shit. in fact a lot of her stuff looks very inspired by other designers.)
I seem to recall that someone posted earlier that Tracy likes to call the shots and if SHE makes something, nobody else is allowed to have their own version. If what I remember is correct, it sounds like Tracy has an ego problem - way too large.
Traci Reed's new kit has real Goldfish crackers in it. Aren't those like copyrighted?
February 26, 2010 11:11 PM
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Nope. Check out the stock photo sites and a lot of them seem to have goldfish crackers.
You girls just don't like Txmusicmom because of her politics, admit it. She's much kinder than Ruby ever was in HT.
I seem to recall that someone posted earlier that Tracy likes to call the shots and if SHE makes something, nobody else is allowed to have their own version. If what I remember is correct, it sounds like Tracy has an ego problem - way too large.
Different Traci. The one you are thinking of is Traci Murphy who thought she owned the copyright on all drop shadows and no one else was allowed to make/sell any.
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