I have seen my fair share of internet scams, and while this one was pretty low on my radar, the red flags were still waving.....then low and behold, she posted about miraculous turn of events. These types of posts really used to annoy me, not so much anymore, there will always be scammers, there will always be people that get scammed. It doesn't matter to me anymore, because these people that donate to the cause think they are doing a good thing, but really they are just enabling the behavior, for others to follow. Big surprise, she is on Gabs' promotion team.
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http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=129934
The Followup:
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=130200
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dang, she certainly cashed in -- winning an iPod or a Nikon camera!
And this about makes me barf:
Hey, here's an idea...how about all of us, your designers, get together and do a collab for you? We could sell it and pay your internet for 6 months! That's just one idea...I am brainstorming more....
PUHLEEZE! I wonder what the 'mysterious' circumstances were? She spent the grocery money on the lottery?
Wow. No, she did not spend her grocery money. Andrea was hit with a huge financial whammy last week. One that could bring ANY family to its knees. The details are her business, although I do know them. She was not looking for hand outs at all.
She is an incredible member of this community and an amazing CTM. She goes above and beyond like you could not imagine. She is also a very loyal friend.
I paid her internet bill for July. Happy now? Jeez! In fact, I INSISTED. She did not want me too. But I told her that this is her creative outlet which she needs more than ever now and that she is a big part of our lives too and I made her agree to let me. I would do the same for any deserving friend. I had asked her not to tell anyone, but I can't have her dragged through the mud for this.
I love gossip as much as the next person, but I wish people would not make assumptions like this. I thought this really showed a positive side to our community, but here it is being twisted into something negative. Big shocker.
All I can say is that I hope everyone who reads this can be blessed to have a friend like Andrea. Then you will be lucky indeed.
Have a great evening.
Amy
I'm kind of thinking it would be nice to have a friend like Amy ;) Kudos, girlfriend.
If this is a personal matter, why did she put it on a public message board? If she wanted support from her "friends" why not email privately or on her private CT forums. She is the one that put it out there for everybody to see. There is another thread of the same vain in chatter...I am pregnant again, I don't work, car is broken down, we can't afford groceries....Sound familiar? Common theme at DST. HOF could have picked any of them for this topic, she just chose your "friend"
ITA w/ 5:10
So much fishing for 'RAKS' has been harbored at DST. Every time designers jump in to 'help' out with a free kit or something, it just encourages people to keep doing it.
I'd venture to say that there are some members over at DST that hsve had these things and worse happen and they either
suck it up and handle it on their own, just 'disappearing' for a while, and privately inform those who need to know (maybe only their designers if they CT).
Some people's sense of how far they'll go for something free is more highly developed than others.
The fact that she's on gabs' promotion team is also a big factor in my opinion. That is the pushiest, loudest group I have encountered yet.
Well said, Amy! That was such a nice thing for you to do.
Hey Amy, I can't afford groceries this month, because gas is sooooo expensive. I don't know what my babies are going to eat. I think I am going to have to give up my internet...and I don't have a laptop to take to the library....whatever will I do?
Wasn't sure about how the whole thing was put OUT there @ DST, but it was a very nice thing for Amy to do.
I had asked her not to tell anyone, but I can't have her dragged through the mud for this.
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Well she didn't take that glory from you....you are the one patting yourself on the back for paying her bills. Yet another RAK that is not so private, but played out in public.
I've been hit with financial whammies many times, too. An abusive ex-husband who ruined my credit and wouldn't pay child support, or provide court ordered insueance for his children. He had totaled my car. I lost my home. Had to finish working my way through school to get my degree. Have driven 20 yr old piece of crap cars for a long time. IF they ran. Had to work my way through school as a single parent and up to my eyeballs in student loans. Have gone for years w/o cable TV and many other things, because they are LUXURIES, and my priority is meeting my kids' NEEDS.
Things are a bit better for us now, but when we're hit with whammies, the kids and I just have to learn to do without our fun and relaxing hobbies until we are in a position to afford them again.
"So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full."
Matthew 6:2
I cannot believe how freaking cold and heartless you people are. She didn't drag her private affairs into the public. She merely posted she'd be going offline for a while. You are cold, heartless, people devoid of compassion, or any decency. What a cynical bunch you are. You sicken me.
Right back at ya 6:28
It's disgusting to watch people pervert the true meaning of the term RAK. A real RAK is a random and unpublicized act of kindness. But not at DST. It's a smarmy advertising ploy that people often brag about either giving or receiving. The vast majority of people that are 'RAKd' are 'friends' ct members, and the pushy, shameless scream it from the rooftops type scrappers.
Sorry you're not feeling well. Have a nice day and *smooches*
LOL LOL LOL Okay, this is too funny! Funnier yet that Amy "paid for" Andrea's internet. I know Andrea and I know what she's capable of. Financial whammy? Her husband is in the military don't they have provisions for that? How much of a whammy can you get hit with when housing and food is subsidized? Further, why would you come to an open forum and ask about "great kits" to scrap with while you're gone? If the financial whammy is so great, shouldn't you be looking for a JOB? Damn, there truly is a sucker born every day!
There's only one thing worse than bitchy people. Self-righteous bitchy people. Geez. If you do something nice for someone, and then find out people are accusing them of being opportunistic, I hardly think coming to their defense is Sounding a Trumpet.
I'd go so far as to say that unnecessary Bible Thumping is more like a pharisee than helping someone in a time of need. Think about it.
let me see if i've got this straight...
this woman is on amy's ct. amy wants to pay her internet bill so she can continue to work for her. who cares? i should be so lucky to ct for someone who actually wants to compensate me for my work.
if you don't like people "fishing for handouts" then don't give them anything. seriously, who cares? move on.
"and ye shall not blog anonymously in the name of the Lord lest you are anonymously blogged about"
Me, 3:53
June 23, 2008 7:15 PM
I hope you're willing to say that to Andrea's face, since you know her so well. You know their whole situation. You must be a good friend to know everything about their finances and what is going on with them right now.
Since you're that close to her, you must feel comfortable enough to spit those words in her face as well.
Or else your spineless chicken shit with no balls.
I'd bet money it's the last one.
You are correct, what is being pointed why did this play out on DST, why wasn't it handled in email or on the CT forum...because andrea was fishing, and Amy was trying to net herself some extra karma points publically.
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this woman is on amy's ct. amy wants to pay her internet bill so she can continue to work for her. who cares? i should be so lucky to ct for someone who actually wants to compensate me for my work.
oh, I forgot the letter a - in front of spineless chicken shit and an ' in you're - don't want the spelling police to come out and get me.
You're a spineless chicken shit with no balls.
Look good to the spelling bee champs out there?
Another funny thread is this one:
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=130115&page=2
They can't decide among themselves, or how to justify downloading an old version of Hello.
Holy canoli. This is my last attempt to try to point out the facts here. Andrea was "ISO" big kits for little money so she could scrap offline. She had a couple of bucks in her Paypal account that were not going to make a dent in anything meaningful. Her creative outlet is scrapping and she loves it. I'd be freaking out if I thought I had to give it up for several months, not to mention the contact with friends. Could she live without it? Of course! Could I? Yikes, don't know! LOL!
I SELFISHLY, yes, that's right, selfishly, wanted very much to keep her on line and doing her CT thing for me. That's why I did what I did.
I did not post it at DST and most certainly did not want her to post it in the "Happy Place" or anything like that. I just wanted her to stay online. Period.
The ONLY reason I mentioned it here, is that so you all would have the answer to your question, "what was the turn of events to keep her online?" You ASKED! I answered. Honestly. That's it, no horns for me, no karma, no shamless pimping, Just the facts so you would stop speculating about her turn of events.
I don't want anything from this or her or you all, except for it to all be honest and factual. That's it. I wanted Andrea to not leave. And knowing her the way I do, she was not trying to get free stuff, she was sincerely looking for kits. If you read the thread and her replies, that is clear.
I am not a fan of all the craziness that can go on with all the rah-rah stuff either, so I understand where you are coming from. When I RAK people, it is in fact RANDOM and people who are not regulars in the "Happy Place". I know the difference between a RAK and what I did.
I really, really hope this clears things up. I am sorry if some of you don't believe me, my sincerity or any of it, but it is what it is. Good night.
She has stacks of blinkies, surely she must already have stacks of kits and elements, so why not just re-use them?
Scrapping is not the be all and end all in life and surely re-using some of the existing scrap supplies is not the end of the world.
Anyway, Amy that was really nice of you to do that for her, and I only hope my CT bosses would be that kind if I truely needed the help.
I don't doubt that she did fall on hard times, but I myself would have way too much pride to even consider going to DST with that request.
Even if the intent was just to get pointed in the right direction, you just KNOW some shameless designers will start sending freebies left right and center and then proceed to shout it from the rooftops for all to praise their kind generosity.
Thats just the way DST rolls :)
Well, I'm going to pipe in on this to say that regardless of my initial thoughts and impressions on some of this situation, Amy, I have gained respect for you because you have honestly stated that your intentions were at least partially selfish. If you're mature and reasonable enough to admit that, I'm more inclined to believe other things that you say.
Since I don't know Andrea personally, I think I'll take your word for it and try to stop my assumptions or judgemental thoughts.
I also appreciate that you can see why so many are getting cynical based on how much crap goes on at DST.
LOL LOL LOL Okay, this is too funny! Funnier yet that Amy "paid for" Andrea's internet. I know Andrea and I know what she's capable of. Financial whammy? Her husband is in the military don't they have provisions for that? How much of a whammy can you get hit with when housing and food is subsidized? Further, why would you come to an open forum and ask about "great kits" to scrap with while you're gone? If the financial whammy is so great, shouldn't you be looking for a JOB? Damn, there truly is a sucker born every day!
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Do you have any idea how many of our soldiers are on food stamps and WIC because no, they can't pay their bills even when they do live in base housing and get the other benefits of living on post. Many of the foods in the commissaries aren't any less or are even more than a regular grocery store. Many soldiers make crap for a salary, and that's not even factoring in their hours and extra duty, that's just straight pay talking. And yeah, their spouse can get a job, but they often can't afford child care unless they can use the one on post. Do you have any idea how long the waiting lists are for those? Do your research before you open that gaping pie hole.
I don't know Andrea or what she's capable of, nor do I care. And honestly, she asked for mega kits so she could buy a few before going offline. It's not anyone's problem if other people offer to give her things. Maybe she was fishing, maybe not. Could she have worded her post differently, probably. I probably would've just said, "I'm looking to buy a few mega kits. Can you show me your favorites?" And left it at that. Whatever. Aren't there more important things in life to bitch about?
Wow - American military have subsidized housing and groceries? Lucky! Sadly, the Canadian military doesn't. :( Even if you live on base, you pay market rate rents, and you don't have subsidized groceries at all.
Welcome to the real world honey, lots of people have crap salary, not just soldiers. Daycare is expensive for everybody too, it is not just limited to soldiers. Here is some news for you...civilians don't get subsidized housing, a discount store on base, post daycare and whatever else you all stand in line for. I appreciate the work the soldiers do for the country, however, I grow tired of the military spouses complaining about the situation they are in. It was your husbands decision to join the military, last I checked it was not mandatory. Your decision to marry a soldier. Make different choices, get different results. Quit complaining and make a change if it is so bad. -Tired of the entitlement expectations around here.
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Many soldiers make crap for a salary, and that's not even factoring in their hours and extra duty, that's just straight pay talking. And yeah, their spouse can get a job, but they often can't afford child care unless they can use the one on post. Do you have any idea how long the waiting lists are for those?
I just have to say that I did see this post at DST, and my first reaction was very cynical about her posting this there. Personally, I would not share publicly that I was going to have to go offline. I would do it within my CT forums, and with friends, but never there. I know that if she had been a friend of mine, or I knew her in some way, I'd be inclined to help her out as well. That's just me. I love helping people, but only when it can be done anonymously.
I don't know her situation. It could be that she really is in need, but I do think that this was a way to get help from the scrapping community either way. I don't always like the way some people work to manipulate others, but it is their business.
I agree with the post that referenced her stack of CT blinkies....I know if I needed to go offline, I have enough stash to last me a long time....and if I was having hard times, I wouldn't spend my last few bucks on scraps. Just because she is going offline doesn't mean she can't still scrap with what she has, and she is losing her creative outlet. Going offline might be a good thing for her, seems she is rather dependent on her online needs.
Welcome to the real world honey, lots of people have crap salary, not just soldiers. Daycare is expensive for everybody too, it is not just limited to soldiers. Here is some news for you...civilians don't get subsidized housing, a discount store on base, post daycare and whatever else you all stand in line for. I appreciate the work the soldiers do for the country, however, I grow tired of the military spouses complaining about the situation they are in. It was your husbands decision to join the military, last I checked it was not mandatory. Your decision to marry a soldier. Make different choices, get different results. Quit complaining and make a change if it is so bad. -Tired of the entitlement expectations around here.
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Wow - when was the last time your Dh was in IRAQ for 15 MONTHS?? And how about the last time your best friends DH came home with One leg?? You should only speak of that you know -
We live in crappy falling down housing that HELLO We pay for - I pay 1526.00 for a SH***Y town home - Most housing is privatized and we pay out of pocket - The commissary is a necessary evil - you live in Korea and try to make your family a home cooked meal from the local markets - the LAST thing you should be doing is picking on Spouses - We put up with enough disrespect and crap - You should be down on your knees thanking us and our spouses for our service so that you can live in a country where you can post your vial hatred on blogs without repercussions -
when was the last time your Dh was in IRAQ for 15 MONTHS?
Never...he choose a career where deployment and war are not a job hazard. I chose to marry someone that can support a family without extra assistance, and as an added bonus, he is home every night too.
Why did your husband choose a military career? Why did you choose to marry a soldier? Own your choices, or change your situation. Quit bitching about it, and expect everyone to feel sorry for you.
Trust me, Andrea's not trying to cash in on anything...
She and I are on a CT together - so I happen to know what's going on with her, and let me say that if what happened to her and her family happened to me, I'd be going offline too.
I'd also be wanting to know where to go buy some good mega kits to keep me busy until I could get back online...
Of all the things in this world to get upset about, this isn't one of them, trust me!
June 24, 2008 9:19 AM
Thank God we have soldiers who faught for you to have the rights you have now, such as the one to run your stupid pie hole like you do.
And thank God we have soldiers who are willing to stand up and go into dangerous areas, protecting our country, our people, your husband, so his ass wouldn't have to be drafted.
Show a little respect for one group that deserves it why don't you? Our soldiers who have no say in where they go, who they fight.
They do it for a love of our country, for their sense of duty, so you can hole up in your little world and run big fat mouth on a smack blog.
No, my husband isn't military, but we are thankful for the soldiers out there doing their jobs so that he doesn't have to be.
Wait let me get this straight.
Somebody gave somebody else a product of theirs and some internet service for free and this is upsetting you why? Doesn't Amy have the right to do whatever she wants with her money? Sounds like a pretty great friend to me.
If you didn't like her post, don't read it.
If you don't like her lifestyle (or your perception of it) don't live it.
aww, 1:20! Where's the fun in that?
Never...he choose a career where deployment and war are not a job hazard. I chose to marry someone that can support a family without extra assistance, and as an added bonus, he is home every night too.
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OMG what a bitch. I can't BELIEVE you even said that. Have you NO respect for our military????
June 24, 2008 5:47 PM
No, obviously she needs to go live in a country where their military SUPPRESSES their rights. Where they are the law of the land. Where they have NOTHING.
Maybe then the stupid cow will get down on her knees and kiss the ground our soldiers and their families stand on and thank them for what they give to us.
Our country isn't perfect, but I wish people who didn't appreciate what we DO have here would move the hell away and shut their traps.
Amazing how some of you women assume the worst in every case!
If some of us make a choice to help someone we like, so be it - it makes us feel good to be able to do small things to help someone. I can't end wars, I can't solve starvation, I can't end the mutilation of women in faraway countries... so many things in this world I have no power to put an end to.
But I can use my free will and my design talents to make a choice to help a friend. And one day that friend in need will find her way to pay it forward to someone else who has a need or even just a desire and wish. These are small ways we can personally we can make our little dents in a world filled with vicious women like some who have commented in this "fishing for handouts" post.
Damn, I wondered how long someone was going to play the damned military card. These stupid soldiers are out there for the adventure. Their wives are just leeches. And they wrap the American flag around themselves every chance they get. They aren't in Iraq to protect our freedom. They are there to advance our country's political interests. And Amy isn't some dumb damsel in distress. If she's been a military wife long enough, she knows just how to work the system.
"Damn, I wondered how long someone was going to play the damned military card. These stupid soldiers are out there for the adventure. Their wives are just leeches. And they wrap the American flag around themselves every chance they get. They aren't in Iraq to protect our freedom. They are there to advance our country's political interests. And Amy isn't some dumb damsel in distress. If she's been a military wife long enough, she knows just how to work the system."
First, maybe you should read the entire story before you start running your mouth. Amy is not the one whose husband is a soldier, protecting our country and your right to act like an asshole. Furthermore, Do you realize that many of the soldiers in Iraq don't even want to be there? That they do not support Bush and his agenda, but must still fight and put thier lives at risk anyways? Once you are in, it is mandatory, you can't just up and leave. I saw that a few more lost thier lives yesterday, it's heartbreaking. I won't get started on a political rant, and while I agree with you on the point of the war being all about a political agenda, and I am very much against the fact that we are there, I still support our soldiers and thier families. I think many of these brave souls got into it for the right reason, to fight for our rights and our country (post 911) but now they are stuck in this situation and have no choice but to do what they are being told they must do.
But my question is this, why are there so many bitter and mean people posting crap like this? What makes you so unhappy as you so clearly are? What is at stake for you with all of this?
You guys are mean. If people know her well emough, and want to give her free things who cares? If they don't know her and give her free things, well then they are taking the risk. She didn't give a big sob story just said she would be offline.
If Andrea was hit with a big financial "whammy" she had other resources to employ - the military takes care of their own. And to the person who complained about their rent - if you are waiting to get on the list for base housing, you get a monthly check to help cover the cost of the housing. And this check is substantial. When was the last time you saw a policeman, fireman, emergency squad worker get one of those? There are many people that put their lives "on the line" every day that do not get extra help for bills. In the military, you have free medical, free dental - more huge perks. No insurance costs that come out of your paycheck. I agree with the poster who wrote that it was all about choices - and dealing with those choices once they are made.
It doesn't matter if the soldiers don't want to be in Iraq - that's their JOB. They chose it, they should have known the risks associated with it. Andrea's husband is CAREER military, this isn't a new gig for him or her. Plus, this has NOTHING to do with Andrea going to DST to try to get some free scraps. Did you notice ALL the designers that gave stuff to her? Why did this have to be addressed in an open forum? That is the question.
I have been in the situation where I was down to nothing, on the verge of losing my house, no food in the house, etc. I state this here ONLY because it's an anon blog. The point, however, is that I didn't go bitching and begging. I took stock of the very bad situation, made some choices, and got myself on my feet. And at no time was I "worried" about my hobbies. I was worried about putting a roof overhead and food on the table. Oh wait, Andrea doesn't have to worry about that, does she? The military isn't going to leave her homeless and w/out food. Whatever this "financial whammy" is, get a job and stop asking for handouts. Hell, even daycare is provided for her!
This entire topic was not about "supporting" the troops - this was about an individual asking for handouts. I truly don't appreciate being told that I don't support the troops because I see thru the bs that Andrea is handing out to others. I have a few friends that are in the military - and I have asked their wives about this situation and ALL have stated that Andrea would receive help from various areas made available for the military families.
And to Amy, it was a VERY nice thing you did and I do believe you did it out of kindness. However, I also believe that you were conned.
You know, the military way of life is a different one. My sister is a stay at home mom of two little girls while her husband is full time navy doing some peon job. He is NOT management or office in other words.
They life off base, in a new BEAUTIFUL 3 bedroom, 3 bathroom house that costs them NOTHING every month and that NOTHING includes all utilities; heat, water, electric, the basics. They have to pay for their cable and phone and SOME groceries. Heck they even have FREE health and dental insurance!!!
AND it gets better!!! Since my sister is a STAY AT HOME MOM, they qualify for WIC!! So, you guessed it; free formula, milk, cheese, PB, cereal, juice, etc.....you know.
AND to top it off....he brings home like $2200 a MONTH....money that rent doesn't need to come out of, or insurance, or basic food staples, they just need to buy some food and play things with the rest, oh yeah and they have a $188 car payment.
OH THE MILITARY LIFE....I FEEL SO SORRY FOR THEM!!!
In the military, you have free medical, free dental - more huge perks.
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Not everyone gets this. Our National Guard and Reserve guys pay for all of this. Out of pocket. The military does NOT always take care of their own. I can tell you that first hand.
And you're right, this started off as a post about someone asking for a handout, but then some idgit had to go and play the military card and spout off when they don't know what they're talking about. Yes, some people have found a way to play the system and make out in the end. Most of us don't. And you also have to remember, all the branches are different, with the Army treating it's soldiers the worst. The quality of life in the other branches is much better totally across the gamut. Why do you think we Army people shop at the Air Force or Navy stores when we can or stay on their bases when we travel if there's space available? Because they're much nicer.
And then someone else had to just start the bashing of soldiers and their families and the way we live. You can have a difference of opinion, but you can also be respectful about it.
You guys crack me up - ok - I am a military wife who also spent over 10 years active duty -
There are sooo many misconceptions -
1. We get "free medical" - No we don't - it is part of our benefits package and is included in the yearly paper stating what we make total - not just cash - there is a reason the military has doctors ect - this is because these same doctors that are "free" are military or contracted they also go to war - this is the reason that we have to wait upwards of 2 weeks to get an appointment - because many of our medical resources are deployed - we also need services overseas when we are defending and maintain American military interests in places like Europe and Asia -
2. "Free Dental" - Last time I looked at my DH's LES (Pay check) I paid a co-pay just like you for our family dental plan through United Concordia - this is something OPTIONAL we pay for
3. Housing - Every service member is given a housing allowance as part of their pay E-1 to o-10 - This allowance is different for every person - it is baised on where we live and if you have "dependent" wife ect and what rank you are - in some places like Hawaii because housing is so expensive it can be very high and in other like New Mexico it can SUCK - For an E-5 it can range from 700 dollars a month to 1500 - If you live in the dorms or in base housing you "give" that money to the military - you pay that rent - EVERY SERVICE MEMBER PAYS RENT TO LIVE ON BASE IT IS NOT FREE
There has also been a change in many bases of ALL services to make members pay for all utilities that we use in our house
3. There are organizations like Air Force Aid Society that will help you with a LOAN if you are having problems - yes many of us take care of our own - and with attitudes like that I have seen on this board can you blame us?
They DO NOT give out CASH but they will give you a "voucher" to the commissary to make sure that you have food, diapers and formula -
4.) If you do apply for services - WIC, HUD - they add in ALL your pays - including your housing allowance and special duty pays - this is why so many members are NO LONGER eligible for many programs offered from the state
5) - THERE IS NO I repeat NO FREE CHILD CARE - I can say this because this is what I now do FCC Care ~ my military mommies pay 165 dollars a week to have their children cared for -
Yes we have chosen this life - and for me and my family we love it - we travel the world - but do not think that this life is a walk in the park - there is a HUGE sacrifice... Of the years we have been married my DH has been home for 1/2 of them - Its ok our love is strong - I fon't need him in the bed with me to know that he loves me - I need him out there making sure that you can sleep good at night -
The ones that posted the bitchy mean posts - you have NO IDEA what kind of country we would be living in if we didnt have such a bad ass military - yes maybe we are not the world favorite right now.... but no one tells you what to say, think or do - you think this is a far off notion - try Goggling Tienaman Square in China - or how about voting in Tibet -
You are so wrong and the sad thing is you don't even know how wrong you are
This is not a complaint - If you are going to comment on military life GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!!!!
NOTHING against National Guard or Army Reserve but this is NOT nor was it EVER intended to be a FULL TIME job!!!
NOTHING against National Guard or Army Reserve but this is NOT nor was it EVER intended to be a FULL TIME job!!!
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I was going to comment but didn't want to add to the misconceptions, because I am not military. I thought Reserve was more part time military. I wouldn't expect to get benefits from a part time job as a civilian, a part time job is for some extra cash, and one weekend a month, 2 weeks a year? I know the OP isn't about military, but I admit to not knowing the ins and out and "benefits" of service.
Army families don't get free daycare. I don't know why so many people think this. There is daycare on post, but families have to register for it, then get on a waiting list for it (so if the person in question wanted to get a job, she would have to wait a couple of months to get her slot) and then it is not free.
Also, I read the original post several times, and it does not say anywhere that she was planning on scrapping instead of paying other bills or providing for her family as so many people seem to think. In fact she had made the decision to give up the part of her hobby that cost money, but some of her friends decided to gift her with that. So... I fail to see what anybody is riled up about.
They also think we don't pay taxes. Many of the lower enlisted ranks can't afford food so they are able to get food stamps. Most posts have food closets so that some can get through to payday. Does this make sense?? Here you have men and women fighting for their country and they qualify for food stamps. Because of the drawdown of troops many are paying to live in military housing that really sucks because they are not maintained like they once were. There aren't enough Drs and very few dentists to receive all that free care. Most have to go outside to the same Drs and Dentists you use and pay the same amount. Commissaries are no longer a less expensive place to buy groceries and the PXes are now a joke with the Walmarts/Kmarts around. Most in the military could find a lot better paying jobs on the outside but they choose to be in the military because they love their country no matter what their Comander in Chief has gotten then into. We are going to have another whole group of disabled soldiers whose families will never be the same because they gave their limbs and life for YOU! Yes You you sorry piece of lowlife because you live in a free world. Try living in a 3rd world country and see if you can MAKE IT then. You should be down on your knees thanking those who serve their country and that includes the spouses because in their way with what they have to put up with, they are also in the military right along their service member spouse. They deserve a lot more then your big mouth. Maybe you'll be the one to fall on bad times-wonder what you'll do then.
I don't see where she was bitching OR begging for handouts. I don't see where she was asking for anything but opinions on what other scrappers thought were the biggest and best mega kits out right now for the money. She didn't say she wanted them free, she said " so I can only buy like maybe two kits... three maybe?" She said BUY, and she didn't say she was looking for freebies either.
What bothers me the most about all of this (aside from attacking her personal life over some stupid scrapping supplies) is that you're bitching and making fun of a woman that is so giving herself! When she was a designer it was hard for her to charge anyone for anything... that is why most of the things she made she gave away as freebies on her blog! The only thing she ever asked for in return was if you took the freebie, please do something nice for someone else. Then she would give an idea or theme for a RAK that she wanted you to do for others. That's it. This person you judge as "greedy" and "bitchy" and "whiney" usually puts herself last. Personally I was happy to see her thinking of herself and her hobby. If she keeps herself sane through her hardships, chances are she'll keep her husband sane and the kids wont even know they're going through hard times.
I don't understand how the generosity of others based on a simple question from her makes it ok to tear her apart in every way she has been here. She didn't do anything to anyone. She just wanted to spend what little was left in her Pay Pal to keep herself mentally occupied after the kids go to bed at night while they didn't have the internet.
I would also love to know what the person who said "I know Andrea and I know what she's capable of" meant by that. I've been laughing for 2 days over it. She's about as vicious as a newborn kitten!
Amen 1:53! ITA! That is exactly the person I know her to be too.
Don't you people have anything better to do? If you feel the need to rip people apart, could you find someone deserving of such treatment instead?
Me too! Andrea is one of the sweetest people I have known in the digi world. I've been friends with her for over a year and she has never been anything but sweet, kind, and very very giving of herself.
why don't you guys just move on from this totally boring non issue?
I was going to comment but didn't want to add to the misconceptions, because I am not military. I thought Reserve was more part time military. I wouldn't expect to get benefits from a part time job as a civilian, a part time job is for some extra cash, and one weekend a month, 2 weeks a year? I know the OP isn't about military, but I admit to not knowing the ins and out and "benefits" of service.
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Tell that to our politicians. My husband left active duty after many years, and joined the Ntl Guard so that he'd be home more. Out of the almost 8 years we've been married, I'll bet you he's been home 4. He puts in full time hours but of course the gov't wants to give him part time benefits. It's not just 1 weekend a month, 2 weeks a year for many soldiers anymore. And what's even worse is the Ntl Guard is supposed to be there for their state in case of an emergency, but the federal gov't has overstepped their bounds so much they're leaving the individual states strapped.
Yup, the Guard are all deployed so they can't help their states, and so the gov't is thinking of flying out active duty soldiers 2000 miles away to take care of the wildfires in CA. My husband's unit is preparing to go. Pretty cost-effective, right?
Hey, we can all turn this into a bush bash, why can't it be a Bush Wildfire?
Him and his wifey should be out there battling those wildfires, he got us into this mess, he can get us out.
Or should I say, he is just breaking up the pieces that his daddy started to crack several years ago.
what disturbs me a lot more is SarahMD posting last week about not knowing how to pay rent or buy food and then posting this week for suggestions of goody bags for her kids birthday party. Hm... maybe if you can't even buy food for your family you shouldn't be throwing a party for your kid with all the trimmings. we just did a party for my DD and while we usually do a small party with decorative plates, cups, balloons and cake, all those little things add up and this year we just couldn't afford it. So we made the decision to hit the dollar store and spent $5 on everything we needed to make the day a little special without losing our home in the process.
That makes me angry. I wonder how many monetary donations Sarah got because of her post. Sure hope those people are glad that now their money is going to a party. :(
The 4th comment in this topic is referring to SarahMD I believe also. She also has a warped sense of priorities. If HOF would have picked her, I wonder if the comments would have been different? Seems Andrea is "well-respected" in the community, and her friends really rallied to support her, I don't feel that about SarahMD, probably the reactions would have been very different here, even though the situations are similar. Down and out, no money, and put it all out on DST and see what will happen. Honestly, I would bet SarahMD did not get any handouts as she needs to hone her fishing skills.
what disturbs me a lot more is SarahMD posting last week about not knowing how to pay rent or buy food and then posting this week for suggestions of goody bags for her kids birthday party. Hm... maybe if you can't even buy food for your family you shouldn't be throwing a party for your kid with all the trimmings.
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Word.
I wonder how or why so many people seem to have such a sense of entitlement. If they want something, they go get it or ask for it and seem to see nothing wrong with it.
What happened to "paying your dues" and living within your means?
I wonder how or why so many people seem to have such a sense of entitlement. If they want something, they go get it or ask for it and seem to see nothing wrong with it.
What happened to "paying your dues" and living within your means?
June 26, 2008 9:28 AM
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Thank you! Exactly my thoughts on this subject. EVERYONE is being hit economically now and everyone is going to have to make choices. One must decide what is more important and learn to use your money judiciously. If I can't pay mortgage, you can bet I'm not planning b/day parties!
what disturbs me a lot more is SarahMD posting last week about not knowing how to pay rent or buy food and then posting this week for suggestions of goody bags for her kids birthday party. Hm... maybe if you can't even buy food for your family you shouldn't be throwing a party for your kid with all the trimmings.
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Word.
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What disturbs me more is SarahMD usually has a post like this every month or so it seems.
What REALLY disturbs me is SarahMD makes her sound like a doctor, and if that is the case, she sure is making herself out to be a piss poor malpractice suit one if she can't even pull the wool over some digi scrappers! ROFLMAO
What bugs me about SarahMD is this: if she was so worried about getting pregnancy, why wasn't she using some form of birth control? Planned Parenthood and similar organizations have options available for those with little or no money.
let's talk about this
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=130918
sheeeeeeeesh!
et's talk about this
http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=130918
sheeeeeeeesh!
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What's to talk about? The whole subject is stupid! So what if someone lifts a layout? If people don't want that to happen, don't post it in an open gallery!
What's to talk about? The whole subject is stupid! So what if someone lifts a layout? If people don't want that to happen, don't post it in an open gallery!
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that's exactly what i mean. How stupid for a thread like that to draw so many responses. Seems like people will look for any excuse to get their panties in a wad these days.
that's exactly what i mean. How stupid for a thread like that to draw so many responses. Seems like people will look for any excuse to get their panties in a wad these days.
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WAIT a minute!!! People on a SMACK BLOG are getting bent out of shape about somebody getting their panties in a wad about something trivial??
Now THAT is funny!
If you want to get good and riled up about something, why don't you go out and fight for the kids in Darfur, or I don't know, anything that means something instead of nit picking what some people are talking about in association with their scrapbooking hobby?
talk about pandy wads!
I am not so bothered by the thread though somehow this enjoyable hobby has turned into some sort of competition getter. I have been scraplifted many times especially as a CT and quite frankly, they bought the supplies themselves just to copy and then put their own pictures and journaling. I see no harm in that but then again I could not care less about how many compliments I get.
I found the copyright comment in that thread the most offensive. It just shows the commercialization of DST.
New topic posted...but feel free to carry on this discussion there.
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