I always find it interesting to note which topics of conversation generate the blog spam. There are some regulars around digi land that are frequently mentioned here. I think they have given up the battle. They know eventually the topic will turn and it will be on to something else. Admittedly, I am not active around the "community" but I have been hosting the blog for awhile now and have noticed some trends.
Watch out when the blog bitches find a new target. They keep picking, they Google, they dig, they hunt IP's, they search other message boards, they jump in the way back machine and remind all of indiscretions of yesteryear.
The blog target virgins pick up the bat phone. Put out a virtual call for back up send the blog link to all. Their friends will try to defend, try to call everyone out for being anonymous. It gets nasty. They can't win against the blog bitches. So then they try diversionary tactics, attempt to change the subject to some other digi crime in recent memory. When that doesn't work, they resort to spam. Song lyrics, in multiple languages, middle school trash talk. Anything to bury the previous threads of conversation.
And don't forget about the Pearl clutching handslappers. You know, the ones that just want everyone to get along and sing Kum Bay Yah. The ones that scold people for posting, and wasting their time reading this internet trash, all while offering helpful alternate suggestions for spending time. You know, like watching kids, cooking dinner for your husband, reading the bible.
And the Lurkers, that stop by for entertainment value.
Which category are you?
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«Oldest ‹Older 1001 – 1200 of 1552 Newer› Newest»I agree. blah blah blah. take it to the hot topics where the crazies care. The crazies on this blog couldn't care less. Last I checked, this was a scrapbooking trash talking blog, not a political forum. Seriously, we don't care.
I think Melissa found out it was being talked about here, because she deleted her post.
Guess what? All retires go on medicare program - if they want their SS benefits.
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Guess what? More than 2 million retired citizens don't use medicare, they use their own benefits that are part of their retirement packages from the companies they worked for. And guess what? THAT is being taken away from them now from the oh so compassionate liberal statists!
I like cheese.
Who watched Lost this week? What did you think?
Natali is having a 30% off sale this weekend. Discuss.
Is is spring where you live?
Did you buy any St. Patrick's Day kits? Or is it a holiday that designers shouldn't bother with? I mean really, we all have plenty of green in our stashes, don't we?
It's Friday & I get to watch Spartacus tonight....Lucy Lawless is a bitch!
LOVE THIS SHOW!!!!!!
I planted lettuce,spinach,bell peppers and tomatoes indoors. This week I've transplanted everything outside except for the grape tomatoes.
We've been eating fresh spinach from the garden for a couple of weeks. It's YUMMY!
I need a good movie to watch with the kids (all under 10 years old) tonight. Any suggestions?
Did anyone watch Survivor on Wednesday? That psycho Russell just shut Boston Rob DOWN! It was the best tribal ever!
I haven't watched Survivor since last season, I can't stand Russell! I can't wait for him to be gone, that's my favorite show but he drives me insane.
Regarding the new health care bill; now that the bill has been safely passed and signed into law, the mainstream press is gradually revealing the scores of delightful provisions tucked away in the 2,700 page abomination: job-killing taxes on businesses, innovation-killing taxes on medical products, suffocating regulations on individual freedoms, wealth-sapping taxes on the middle-class, unprecedented intrusions on personal privacy, unconstitutional mandates on individuals, racially discriminatory preferences for favored groups, a Ponzi-scheme-on-steroids financing mechanism, and spending on a galactic, incomprehensible scale.
Glad to see you have a clear understanding of media bias and appropriate use of hyperbole.
If you want to reduce unemployment, stop passing legislation that kicks the snot out of employers. Way to go Obama!!
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Oh wahhh, maybe if the top executives weren't so darn greedy those employers wouldn't have so much trouble affording the new legislation!
Do they seriously need multi-million dollar salaries? I think not.
Agreed. They seriously need to be shaken up and effect big change. And that's what is going to happen.
I am really excited about how this bill will change the world.
I am really excited about how this bill will change the world.
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Change the world?? Yet another parocial that thinks 'the world' is the US. No wonder everyone hates us.
gossip gossip..check it out.. http://www.sweetshoppecommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40842
Oh wahhh, maybe if the top executives weren't so darn greedy those employers wouldn't have so much trouble affording the new legislation! Do they seriously need multi-million dollar salaries? I think not.
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You do realize how ignorant this makes you sound don't you?
gossip gossip..check it out.. http://www.sweetshoppecommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40842
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Yawn...who cares? Those are all ugly-ass designs anyway.
However, because I did the responsible thing, MY tax money will be going to help those who were in exactly the same situation as I, but weren’t responsible enough to live within their means and meet their obligations, perhaps because they bought a bigger car than they needed, were paying interest on credit cards they shouldn't have been using, or whatever…
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You are one stupid fucking bitch. People were employed, paying their mortgages, bills etc and living withing their means until the govt shit the economy out of it's ass. These same people who WERE living within their means and being responsible lost their jobs through no fault of their own and are now losing their homes. For you to ASSume their situation is their own fault is the most ASSinine thing I've ever heard. You are as ignorant as you are stupid.
I get the impression that many of you are only talking politics here because you're too chicken shit to do it in HT. You're afraid your reputation as a designer or CT member will be damaged if you attach your stupid ass comments to your own name, so you're hiding here where you can spout your crap anonymously. Either grow a pair and say what you have to say using your own name, or shut up!
The blog posters brought it on themselves. They called out all the HT posters who then had to run over here to see what rotten things were being said about them. Once here the HT crowd realized they could spout off without putting their name to it. The smack blog is now a victim of unintended consequences; that is what you call irony folks! LOL!!
How dare the government do this? How dare they? This isn’t capitalism. It isn’t even communism. It is some upside down, messed-up mediocracy. …
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How about you get your head out of your arse and start thinking about the big picture instead of your selfish and greedy pockets!
I am really excited about how this bill will change the world.
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Change the world?? Yet another parocial that thinks 'the world' is the US. No wonder everyone hates us.
I'm not American. But this is going to cause big change in the states, which will cause them to change things like (aghast) move jobs offshore and actually spread the wealth around .... it will change the world. The people with money in the states aren't going to like the result, but I really couldn't care less. They've been left to their conscience for too long, and they showed themselves to be monsters, so now they will be forcibly trained on being human.
Oh come on you don't really believe Wendy had nothing to do with that thread being started? Just because she didn't start it herself doesn't mean she wasn't behind it.
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If you really think that, you really are stupid.
March 24, 2010 5:45 PM
If that was you, 9:49 PM, then that comment comes across as paranoid.
Besides, Microfart likes to promote lots of other designers.
March 25, 2010 6:24 PM
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At least she isn't out here namecalling like you. That was uncalled for.
March 25, 2010 10:42 PM
Shrug, she comes across as a smarmy bitch, just like you.
And, yes, I can too, but at least
I realize when I'm doing it.
Own your bitchiness, and stop giving out etiquette advice on a frickin' smack blog.
Oh wow, DSP is having it's 6th birthday this week! Can't wait for the sale and the 24hr chat starting in a couple of hours!
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gossip gossip..check it out.. http://www.sweetshoppecommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40842
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Holy crap she copied everything. Plus, she stole it all to begin with. What an idiot. (I'm talking about Robyn Greif aka ScrapperGirl Designs)
Looks like one designer from Pretty Scrappy already quit!
I'm not American. But this is going to cause big change in the states, which will cause them to change things like (aghast) move jobs offshore and actually spread the wealth around .... it will change the world. The people with money in the states aren't going to like the result, but I really couldn't care less. They've been left to their conscience for too long, and they showed themselves to be monsters, so now they will be forcibly trained on being human.
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Just what you trying to say here? It's coming across as jibberish. Do you honestly think the US doesn't outsource enough? Why not ask the hundred of thousands of hard working americans who have lost their jobs to India or China if the US should outsource more?
Moron
ha ha ha...from prettyscrappy.com website (the pirate site)
Store Closed Temporarily
Sorry for the inconvenience
We are running some updates, and should be back online very soon.
Thank you for your patience
"updates" uh, yeah right. more like "all our designers have gone and we're shutting down while we figure out how to deceive people now that we've been outed."
Has any of the Prettyscrappy debacle been mentioned at DST? Or is it too controversial?
Yes, it looks like they are closed down while they remove the stuff of designers who have quit with immediate effect. Pretty Scrappy looks like celebrating it's 2nd birthday going down the gurgler. At least 2 designers have quit already.
Oh wow, DSP is having it's 6th birthday this week! Can't wait for the sale and the 24hr chat starting in a couple of hours!
March 26, 2010 9:03 PM
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Brought to us by one of DSP's rabbid CT'ers no doubt. Tell someone who cares. LOL
Pretty Scraps has been shut down. The owner told what few designers she had left that she'd closed up shop and deleted all their files.
OMG! Can't you blather about this shit in the HT forum? Yes, people are free to post whatever they want here, blah blah blah. But most of us come here to get AWAY from this kind of talk!
March 26, 2010 1:22 PM
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Sing it sister.
Scrapper Girl Robyn is a psychopath. She has no conscience whatsoever, and is happy to do whatever it takes to get ahead. I once sympathized with her and her personal issues... now I wonder it they were all lies (Royanna Syndrome)
You are one stupid fucking bitch. People were employed, paying their mortgages, bills etc and living withing their means until the govt shit the economy out of it's ass.
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Yeah, maybe ten or fifteen years ago. The average person hasn't been living within their means for years.
gossip gossip..check it out.. http://www.sweetshoppecommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40842
March 26, 2010 6:34 PM
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wow that is really something isn't it? no way that would be called "inspiration", she made very similar elements and even used the same colours. And even worse, took papers and elements from designs she pirated and added to her kits? Can't believe the nerve. I've actually purchased kits from prettyscrappy, from the designer who is actually the owner, but I certainly won't shop there anymore!
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gossip gossip..check it out.. http://www.sweetshoppecommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40842
March 26, 2010 6:34 PM
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wow that is really something isn't it? no way that would be called "inspiration", she made very similar elements and even used the same colours. And even worse, took papers and elements from designs she pirated and added to her kits? Can't believe the nerve. I've actually purchased kits from prettyscrappy, from the designer who is actually the owner, but I certainly won't shop there anymore!
Nobody will be - she closed up shop when they were outed.
that owner of sweet shoppe has some class~first time going to her forum/store.
the outing post was kind and not crude and full of facts to out a pirate.
I just saw she has opened a thread for those designers who left or found them selves without a store to post where they wind up or their other stores. That is just top notch class.
I know nothing of her until now, but I loved how she supported her designers and the business of scrapping.
Kudos from a low life smack blog reader! ;)
Scrapper Girl Robyn is a psychopath. She has no conscience whatsoever, and is happy to do whatever it takes to get ahead. I once sympathized with her and her personal issues... now I wonder it they were all lies (Royanna Syndrome)
March 27, 2010 12:20 AM
Royanna Syndrome?! LOL
You made me spew coffee all over my screen cause I laughed so hard.
Yeah, any time you want to boost sales just make up a story like you are living in your car. Worked a treat for her. Well, maybe the first time but now people can see through it all and don't believe anything she says. Stupid move Royanna.
You are one stupid fucking bitch. People were employed, paying their mortgages, bills etc and living withing their means until the govt shit the economy out of it's ass. These same people who WERE living within their means and being responsible lost their jobs through no fault of their own and are now losing their homes. For you to ASSume their situation is their own fault is the most ASSinine thing I've ever heard. You are as ignorant as you are stupid.
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How about you get your head out of your arse and start thinking about the big picture instead of your selfish and greedy pockets!
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If anyone is making an ass out of themselves by assuming things it is both of you. I do know what I'm talking about becauseI've lived it! My husband was laid off right when the economy started to turn down. It took him more that 13 months to find a job with a comparable salary. But guess what? We NEVER took unemployment and we NEVER missed a mortgage payment. How did we manage? I went to work for a temp service, my husband worked the night shift at a 7/11 and went on job interviews during the day. My daughter and son both got their ump licenses and worked the weekends umpiring little league games. I joined a farming co-op so we could have fresh fruits and vegetables and I got real creative at cooking rice & beans. I shopped at AmVet and became a champion coupon clipper. We didn't expect anybody, especially the government to bail us out. We didn't consider ourselves victims of circumstance or look resentfully at other people who were not experiencing the same circumstances. So you know what? You can both go fuck yourselves.
And if the temp service and/or 7-11 wasn't hiring, what then? What if you spent days and weeks trying to find work and there just was NO Work available? You probably would have ended up taking the help offered by the government.
Some people try, exhaust all other options, are responsible people, and they STILL need help. Its not 'oh, I lost my job now I'm going to stop trying because there is help available'. It's 'I tried EVERYTHING and I still need to feed my kids - please help!'
I totally respect what you are saying, but I also think that there are always people who legitimately hit a rough patch and need help getting out.
If you want to discuss this shit, please do so at the HT forum at DST.
Pam, is that you?
And if the temp service and/or 7-11 wasn't hiring, what then? What if you spent days and weeks trying to find work and there just was NO Work available? You probably would have ended up taking the help offered by the government.
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No, we didn't. Before the 7/11 job came through my husband humbled himself and worked cleaning out yards, painted fences and at one point he even took a temp job re-working a guy's septic lines. In between temp jobs I cleaned houses and hired myself out as a babysitter. It was humiliating at times but we did what we had to do. We live in an area that currently has 20% unemployment-much higher than the national average but we still were able to make it through without assistance. It just depends on what you are willing to do and what you are willing to sacrifice to do it.
I should also add that I'm not saying there should never be any assistance given to anyone for any circumstance. I do recognize that there are some people that are simply incapable of helping themselves. I just happen to think when the federal government starts treating its citizens like helpless children and sponsors national programs that foster dependency they aren't helping anyone. They are robbing those who partake of the assistance of their pride, self-worth and confidence that they can make it on their own, they are taking from others who have made the sacrifices and tough choices and they are trying to inoculate a culture from the consequences of bad decisions which creates an enormous moral hazard that is just doing to continue keeping America in an ever downward spiral of high unemployment and ever spiraling national debt.
I wasn't for one minute saying that the govt should give handouts to everyone. I was simply addressing the idiot who said people got into trouble because they were living beyond their means. Not eveone who gets into financial difficulty bring it on themselves. Financial ruin can happen to anyone at any time. Sometimes it's their own fault, often it's not. Just becuase YOU found work - no matter how menial you think it is, doesn't mean there is work out there for eveyone. If that was the case, the unemployment rate wouldn't be so high. And saying your DH was unemployed for 13 months is BS. Menial the work my have been, but he and your WERE working non the less.
Just becuase YOU found work - no matter how menial you think it is, doesn't mean there is work out there for eveyone. If that was the case, the unemployment rate wouldn't be so high.
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Disagree. There is always something that can be done. Always. It may not pay a whole lot and can get pretty dirty or whatever, which is why some people just won't bring themselves to do it.
I never said he was unemployed I said it took him 13 months to find a job where he was making a comparable salary! In the meantime we all did whatever it took to keep things going-regardless of how menial, humbling and back-breaking it was. It wasn't easy for an executive to take a job working at 7/11 but guess what? That's what he did because there was more honor in that than becoming dependent on the government.
I never said he was unemployed I said it took him 13 months to find a job where he was making a comparable salary! In the meantime we all did whatever it took to keep things going-regardless of how menial, humbling and back-breaking it was. It wasn't easy for an executive to take a job working at 7/11 but guess what? That's what he did because there was more honor in that than becoming dependent on the government.
March 27, 2010 8:23 PM
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That is all good and well but not everyone has that option, sometimes there is no choice but to depend on the government. Would you prefer that people who genuinely want to work but can't find ANY job, menial or otherwise, or people who are too sick to work live on the street? Sometimes it is not as black and white as people like you make it out to be.
YOU have been lucky, not everyone is so lucky.
Would you prefer that people who genuinely want to work but can't find ANY job, menial or otherwise, or people who are too sick to work live on the street?
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No one is talking about people who are too sick, that's not even relevant. I find it very had to believe that there are absolutely no jobs, unless it's a very, very small town or you live in the third world.
There are lots of very, very small towns with no work - or people who live in very rural areas that you couldn't even call a town where there is no work. With unemployment rates as high as they are, there are more and more people competing for those menial jobs no one used to want to do. SO yes, there are absolutely legitimate cases of people not bring able to find work.
YOU have been lucky, not everyone is so lucky.
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I wasn't "lucky!!" I and my husband and my kids work our asses off. And we are still doing that. We sold off family heirlooms to make ends meet, I had countless garage sales, I did anything and everything I had to do in order to take care of my family; and so did my husband. BEFORE he was laid off we didn't run up credit card bills, we always saved up and paid cash for all of our big ticket items, we set aside money for rainy days which meant we often had to sacrifice the better things in life and live frugally. Our ability to be able to survive a really devastating financial set back had nothing to do with luck and everything to do with the choices that we made before the set back occurred. NOTHING has ever been handed to us. We are NO DIFFERENT from anybody else and we have not had any opportunities offered to us that are not available to anybody who is willing to act like a responsible adult. If people want to make victims of themselves so be it; but I don't think the rest of us, who make sacrifices every single day, should have to pay for it or be made to feel guilty because we want to keep the money we have worked so hard to EARN! We live in the United States of America for God's sake, not some third world country there is ALWAYS opportunities out there. There are consequences to everything. We couldn't anticipate that my husband would be laid off but we didn't live beyond our means either. And you know what? If my husband hadn't finally found a job that replaced his income and allowed us to keep our house, we would have sold it for a loss and continued on-we wouldn't have expected the American tax payer to pick up the slack and cover our mortgage. We faced that possibility square in the face but I'd rather have my dignity than a government bailed-out house.
People have been living well beyone their means for the past 20 years.
http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/105396/Five-Signs-That-You're-Living-Beyond-Your-Means __________________________________
Many people in America live beyond their means. Between 1993 and 2008, personal savings rates in the U.S. declined, hitting the lowest levels since the Great Depression in 2006 by falling into negative territory, according to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. However, by May of 2009, household savings rate had shot back up to 6.9% - the highest level since 1993. Why the change? A recession that came on the heels of a major borrowing binge, which left consumers with the highest amount of consumer debt ever. It took a credit crisis and near-global economic disaster to get Americans to close their wallets and stop spending. Unfortunately, many people did not stop spending soon enough - according to the National Bankruptcy Research center, bankruptcy filings had nearly doubled by the end of 2008.
You make your own luck in life. If you live in a small town without any work then you need to move to a bigger town. Either you make the sacrifice and hard choices to remain independent or your become dependent on a government that has fewer and fewer resources. Envying those that are willing to make the sacrifices to get by and expecting the state to take care of you is only going to lead to a bitter, miserable life.
You make your own luck in life.
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Exactly!
Good grief people - moving costs money too! You can't just up and move if you can't find work and are already struggling just to eat (or feed your kids) the last thing you can do is move. You need first and last months rent if you are renting, not to mention gas to make the move.
I don't think luck has anything to do with it either. But I also KNOW that some people do everything they can - and still can't make ends meet much less pay for health insurance. Yes, some people can live frugally and deal with a financial crisis - and yes, some people end up in financial crisis because they were stupid and irresponsible - but there are also other groups of people who lived frugally, but were not able to save anything along the way and can't make it through a financial crisis without help.
It's so easy to judge. It's so easy to say 'I got through it be being responsible, so if you can't get through it it means you aren't being responsible.' But it's just not true.
Not to mention that not everyone who needs help to get through at tough time stays on that help for the rest of their lives. Many of them have a great deal of pride and get off it as soon as they can. It's not always a downward spiral into being a total dependent degenerate.
Anyone who doesn't have a job should have the decency to crawl into a hole and die so the rest of us don't have to deal with them. Anyone who has a job should fork over 3/4 of their income to the government so congressmen can use the bills to wipe their asses. Can we please shut up now?
If packing up and moving to a new city for work was so affordable, I know at least 8 families who would be on the road tomorrow.
I moved from San Francisco to Chicago last year for work. It took nearly four thousand dollars just for the household move It was another fifteen hundred in hotel, gas and food during the trip - and this was not 4 star hotel stays and fine dining either. Once we got into our new rental, we had utility deposits and first and last months rent to fork over.
When you have children you can't just slap a backpack on and hit the road. So, those who judge the unemployed and believe they should "go where the jobs are", well perhaps you need to do the math over.
In addition, unless a company is paying to relocate you, it is very rare that you will even get an interview if you are out of state. So, once you find yourself unemployed you can easily be stuck where you are and fighting for your survival.
There is truth in both point of views. We don't need to wait for the government to bail us out. We need to be willing to do whatever it takes and often let go of the career or job you used to do. Perhaps that is gone now and you have to be willing to take whatever jobs come along or reinvent yourself careerwise. But, in the end, we are US citizens, we paid taxes and if push comes to shove and my family is hungry I will get in line. No lost pride at all. No humiliation.
I don't mind civilized discussion, but all of this can be talked about elsewhere without reprimand. Go and take it there.
What's the point of all the stupid political arguing? I'm not going to change your opinion and you're not going to change mine so vent your anger to someone relevant. You don't like how your representatives in Washington are doing? Tell THEM.
As to the poster whining that we're all here posting because we don't want to go to DST and use our online names....you nailed it. I'm not being a coward, I'm being smart. I want to keep my political views as FAR away as possible from my personal business. The morons in the HT forum would be wise to do the same.
I get the impression that many of you are only talking politics here because you're too chicken shit to do it in HT....[snip]...Either grow a pair and say what you have to say using your own name, or shut up!
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Okay, Ms. Anonymous Hypocrite.
I strongly feel that the accountability for the housing crash and the millions of buyers who purchased homes above their financial ceiling, lies with the mortgage and finance companies who allowed the loans to be granted.
Where is the rage against that industry? All I read here is criticism about the people who were told they could "do it" "have it"...that thing they call the American Dream. Yes, there are people who live in a dome of volatile self indulgence. But I would bet my bottom dollar that nearly 90% of these foreclosures are happening to good, moral and ethical human beings who trusted the slimy loan agent and got caught up in the dream of home ownership.
I do not think we should forgive loans. That said, in places like Las Vegas where ENTIRE neighborhoods have been abandoned because people lost jobs and then their investment and retirement funds to Maddock, the values fell so low that people could not sell their homes to get out of them - they just walked away. This doesn't need to happen. If the value of a neighborhood has plummeted, the banks should repackage these loans so that they can keep the homeowner in the loan and PAYING them. Duh. It does no one anyone good to hold high ground and have thousands of houses in foreclosure and no one who can qualify to buy them all.
I am also sick and tired of the blame that get slapped on President Obama. How short is the collective memory of people is this country anyway? He didn't create this f'ng mess. The republican party who backed an idiot who in eight years took a country's balanced budget, shit on it and laughed all the way to his ranch in Texas - that's who the public should be pissed at.
We would much rather blame the one man who believed he could change the status quo in DC and make a difference. He believed that people were willing to work together and make change happen.
Instead, the republican party and the "can't get it together" tea party just whine. If you have a better way of doing things, for God's sake stand up speak intelligently and make a difference. Stop finger pointing and pissing in the wind.
We are all good at knowing the stats. But why isn't anyone coming up with a better plan? If they don't agree with his ideas, why aren't they expressing better ones? Why just tear at another person?
2012 is coming fast. All of this political chaos, the natural disasters, the financial devastation...seems right on track for the end of a Mayan calender, doesn't it? I mean afterall, how will we recover? It isn't logical that a society so torn apart can stop the bleeding. Do the math.
Carrying on political debates is healthy. For the room monitor who has her panties in a wad because the subject changed from another boring day of commenting on unethical businesswomen, shut up. Go wring your hands somewhere else.
Okay, Ms. Anonymous Hypocrite.
You, my dear, are a moron. I'm not "hiding" behind the anonymous name to protect my reputation. I don't have any reputation in the scrapping industry to protect. If I did have some deep political point to make, I would have the integrity to attach my name to it. Since I'm just posting my opinions about a blog where my name wouldn't matter anyway, it's easier to be anon than to create a Google or OpenID account. I am posting under my real name now to avoid any more moronic hypocrite comments, but it won't matter since nobody knows who I am.
For the room monitor who has her panties in a wad because the subject changed from another boring day of commenting on unethical businesswomen, shut up. Go wring your hands somewhere else.
Ah, another moron (or maybe the same one). There are at least 2 of us who are sick of this conversation, because I haven't made all of the 'shut up' comments. Don't make assumptions. Also, my panties aren't in a wad, I'm just bored to death of this political crap. Those of you who are talking politics are the ones who seem to have a serious wad of cotton up your asses about this bill. I'm not wringing my hands, I'm just bored.
2012 is coming fast. All of this political chaos, the natural disasters, the financial devastation...seems right on track for the end of a Mayan calender, doesn't it? I mean afterall, how will we recover? It isn't logical that a society so torn apart can stop the bleeding. Do the math.
See? When you start talking politics anonymously, you open the door for all of the crazies. Good job ladies!
I am posting under my real name now to avoid any more moronic hypocrite comments, but it won't matter since nobody knows who I am.
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See, I can make up a name, too. But whatever.
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The level of stupidity on this blog is staggering. Did you even try to understand my point?
No. I don't know what point you're trying to make. You post anonymously, calling everyone names for posting anonymously, then you get pissed because someone pointed that out and called you a hypocrite. Then you rant on under a made up a name but then say your name doesn't matter because we won't know who you are, anyway.
What's your point, exactly? And feel free to babble endlessly about whatever point it is you ARE trying to make 'cause I couldn't give two shits about it.
I'm going to mow my lawn. Have a nice day and try not to have a stroke while calling me a stupid idiot-coward-moron. It's not good for your health.
2012 is coming fast. All of this political chaos, the natural disasters, the financial devastation...seems right on track for the end of a Mayan calender, doesn't it? I mean afterall, how will we recover? It isn't logical that a society so torn apart can stop the bleeding. Do the math.
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This has got to be Microferk!
I am also sick and tired of the blame that get slapped on President Obama. How short is the collective memory of people is this country anyway? He didn't create this f'ng mess.
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I don't think people are upset with him because he caused the mess; they are upset with his supposed "solutions" that continue to expand the role of the Federal Government, offering top-down answers to bottom up problems and QUADRUPLING the national dept in less the 14 months time. You do realize that he has spent more money in 14 months than was spent in the entire Bush presidency don't you? And what do we get for all that money? An ever more intrusive government, double-digit unemployment, a raising inflation rate and tattered relationships with our allies. He has been in office long enough and spent enough money that he owns the problems now; especially the continued job losses that are going to occur due to his health care policy.
I strongly feel that the accountability for the housing crash and the millions of buyers who purchased homes above their financial ceiling, lies with the mortgage and finance companies who allowed the loans to be granted.
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Ummm....show me the guns that were pointed to the people's heads who actually took out the loans. The banks were greedy but the people taking out the loans were greedy; they went out and purchased million dollar homes on middle income salaries, refinanced their homes time and time again to purchase cars and furniture and vacations and ran up huge credit card debts and then refinanced their homes to "pay off" the credit cards. The home industry was artificially manipulated and everybody tried to cash in on it. There are very few people who were innocent victims; everybody let greed and the desire to live better than their incomes warranted take the place of common sense and prudence. Both the lenders and those who took out the loans are equally to blame.
So, how about some scrapping posts? I know SBG is trying to corner the market on all things "Art Journal" but honestly am I the only one that thinks that store is just utterly dreary these days. Some of that stuff is downright ugly and the art journal layouts are so self-absorbed and pretentious.
I agree. For me SBG somehow slid into mediocrity with the 'new look' storefront. No idea why I feel that, but I remember the day it changed I thought 'wow, it's just like everywhere else', and it wasn't just the design of the store. Odd.
Tangie's art journal thing is making some big bucks for her so I think everyone's jumping on the bandwagon and making art journal stuff. Can't blame them--if it's what the people at that store are looking for, then they are making a good marketing decision. The store has gone very fantasy and art journal though. If I want something in that genre, I'll shop there. If I want traditional scrapbooking, I'll go elsewhere.
Know what I HATE in kits? extracted stuffed animals. I think they look ridiculous! Especially the ones that look like dimestore cheap crap.
What do you hate in kits?
Pillows, stacked pillows, stacked pillows with bows around them-these are scrapbook pages not beds!
Carrying on political debates is healthy. For the room monitor who has her panties in a wad because the subject changed from another boring day of commenting on unethical businesswomen, shut up. Go wring your hands somewhere else.
March 28, 2010 9:42 AM
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I don't give a damn about American politics, I don't live there, which is why I said take it elsewhere. As I said before, I don't mind civilized discussion, but the same old crap about American politics, the American economy, etc. is too damn boring for words.
You wanted to be the ruling Empire of the world, great, you go there. But remember your history, every single empire has fallen with a resounding crash. Looks like you are on your way.
art journal layouts are so self-absorbed and pretentious.
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It's journaling, it's supposed to be about yourself and therefore, by it's very nature, self absorbed.
I know SBG is trying to corner the market on all things "Art Journal"
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I don't think so. I think Maya is going back to her grass roots. Her original store, which was just her, was all art journaling, altered art etc type stuff.
2012 is coming fast. All of this political chaos, the natural disasters, the financial devastation...seems right on track for the end of a Mayan calender, doesn't it? I mean afterall, how will we recover? It isn't logical that a society so torn apart can stop the bleeding. Do the math.
March 28, 2010 9:37 AM
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What about 1929? Didn't we have all of that in the following years? Oooh, we did and yet, we are still here. How quickly we forget, in order to make something suit our needs.
You wanted to be the ruling Empire of the world, great, you go there. But remember your history, every single empire has fallen with a resounding crash. Looks like you are on your way.
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Be careful what you wish for, you stupid euro-fuckhead. That giant sucking sound you hear is the rest of the world going down the toilet with us.
It's a GLOBAL ECONOMY, almost every stock market on the face of the earth (except for N.Korea, Iran and a few others ) are tied to ours. When we fail, so do you.
Moron.
It's a GLOBAL ECONOMY, almost every stock market on the face of the earth (except for N.Korea, Iran and a few others ) are tied to ours. When we fail, so do you.
Moron.
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Wrong MORON, Australia is one of many countries who only experienced a minor effect, they are now as strong as ever having bounced back thanks to a well planned stimulus program and a previously strong economy thanks to well planned regulations on the banking industry.
There are many other countries that do not rely on the grand old US of A. Just because American greed has caused the AMERICAN economy to collapse doesn't mean they whole world is going to collapse.
Many countries will feel the effect, but not everyone has as an economy built on a house of cards.
Peter Kriesler is an Associate Professor of Economics at the Australian School of Business. He urges caution, saying that there are too many unknowns in the economic forecasts. “Boom times could happen. After all what saved Australia from being mired in a worldwide recession was China and the resources boom.
However if interest rates rise too much, or there is more financial instability, we could still see a double dip recession. Exports may not save Australia this time around.”
http://www.asb.unsw.edu.au/newsevents/mediaroom/media/2010/february/Pages/unknownsaheadforeconomy.aspx
Be careful what you wish for, you stupid euro-fuckhead. That giant sucking sound you hear is the rest of the world going down the toilet with us.
It's a GLOBAL ECONOMY, almost every stock market on the face of the earth (except for N.Korea, Iran and a few others ) are tied to ours. When we fail, so do you.
Moron.
March 28, 2010 6:56 PM
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You are the moron, you really are. You have no clue what you are talking about or even what the OP was trying to say.
Peter Kriesler is an Associate Professor of Economics at the Australian School of Business. He urges caution, saying that there are too many unknowns in the economic forecasts.
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It's one person's view. Caution, of course, is always advisable. You will see that he does go on to say "may" and uses the word recession, which is not the same as an economic collapse.
It's been proven through a scientific study that liberals are more intelligent than conservatives...it requires more intelligence/insight to care and make sacrifices for the greater good of mankind.
Link to the study:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100224132655.htm
It's easily observable by the political media: Just observe the Tea Baggers or Sarah Palin for example. Or, better yet, just compare Obama to Bush!
And another article about the study: http://liberalvaluesblog.com/2010/02/27/liberalism-atheism-sexual-exclusivity-among-males-linked-to-higher-iq/
Be careful what you wish for, you stupid euro-fuckhead. That giant sucking sound you hear is the rest of the world going down the toilet with us.
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It's amazing. People who have nothing valid to say always resort to swearing and name calling. No one is gong to listen to you if you throw a tantrum.
PS: VW is crash, how ironic is that?
You are the moron, you really are. You have no clue what you are talking about or even what the OP was trying to say.
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You're the one who really doesn't have a clue what the OP was trying to say. Let me refresh your memory to this posters first comment which was:
You wanted to be the ruling Empire of the world, great, you go there. But remember your history, every single empire has fallen with a resounding crash. Looks like you are on your way.
I simply reminded said poster that wanting the US aka 'ruling empire' to crash might not be in the world's best interest :)
Australia's economy is tied to China's.
I simply reminded said poster that wanting the US aka 'ruling empire' to crash might not be in the world's best interest :)
March 28, 2010 10:05 PM
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Where did the OP say she wanted it to crash? She didn't. She merely pointed out that ruling empires invariably do crash.
Where did the OP say she wanted it to crash? She didn't. She merely pointed out that ruling empires invariably do crash.
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You're so naive.
Holy crap she copied everything. Plus, she stole it all to begin with. What an idiot. (I'm talking about Robyn Greif aka ScrapperGirl Designs)
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Based on that sweet shoppe thread alone, I'm not ready to call ScrapperGirl a pirate or even a copycat. I'd have to get a look at that medical CU kit first. The color schemes are very similar and the kits have the same style - but if you look closely, the elements themselves are different.
For me to personally decide if anyone did anything wrong, I'd need to see ALL CU items used in any of the suspect kit items.
As an example - I've seen MANY CU papers with similar patterns.
I have found a lot of stores have really become bland......SBG is just one of the few that has really slide down......Or maybe I am getting pickier......I only shop sale things......and they have to be good sales.....
Peppermint Creative has gotten to expensive for me......
SSD has gotten very repetitive....
DigiChick has gotten too big to really shop
Nothing is different....it is all the same...some just charge more....
My question about SBG is why it seems to be a revolving door for designers. It seems like new faces are there and then gone again in a flash.
Where did the OP say she wanted it to crash? She didn't. She merely pointed out that ruling empires invariably do crash.
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You're so naive.
March 28, 2010 10:31 PM
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Actually, I'm not, I'm just not paranoid and I don't take everything as a criticism.
I'd have to get a look at that medical CU kit first. The color schemes are very similar and the kits have the same style - but if you look closely, the elements themselves are different.
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So you are going to completely ignore all the stuff that was clearly the same in the other kit? The non medical one. I understand the CU argument but to have them exactly the same color as well? I don't think so.
My question about SBG is why it seems to be a revolving door for designers. It seems like new faces are there and then gone again in a flash.
March 28, 2010 11:30 PM
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I keep asking that and never get an answer. However, as they seem to be out of favor now, maybe someone can tell me.
My question about SBG is why it seems to be a revolving door for designers. It seems like new faces are there and then gone again in a flash.
March 28, 2010 11:30 PM
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My guess is designers go there expecting their sales to be better because it is a 'popular' store but then realize that it really isn't making any difference to their sales or not what it is cracked up to be...
Your focus isn't on the real issue. Even if she used different elements in the medical kit, it doesn't change the fact that the other kit had items that were clearly stolen. SSD said they would have dropped it but then they discovered that she was taking items directly from SSD designers.
who left SBG?
I'm not ready to call ScrapperGirl a pirate or even a copycat. I'd have to get a look at that medical CU kit first. The color schemes are very similar and the kits have the same style - but if you look closely, the elements themselves are different.
Hi Scrappergirl. Or should I call you PlainJane?
WOW! You are thick! Stealing elements from other designers is not cool!
I was searching for something tonight and found myself over at DSP for some weird reason. I haven't been there in ages. So, do they have the UGLIEST site banner in all of digi-land or what?!!!
She even had the same labels- such as "ouch!" and so on...
Yeah, not the prettiest site design in the world, but at least their designers can actually design and don't rely on cu regurgitation to make their products.
cu regurgitation to make their products.
March 29, 2010 12:18 AM
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Blech. I would rather have CU regurgitation than fakey digi stuff. I couldn't find anything that I liked.
Kudos to them for trying though. It clearly appeals to some.
fakey digi stuff.
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Not all digi made stuff is fake looking. Not if you are good at it.
Nicole Young has some good stuff.
Not all digi made stuff is fake looking. Not if you are good at it.
March 29, 2010 12:38 AM
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DSP's stuff is.
So, do they have the UGLIEST site banner in all of digi-land or what?!!!
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No, I think it would be stiff competition between them, Digitals and SBE.
No, I think it would be stiff competition between them, Digitals and SBE.
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LOL-maybe they all needed to be awarded some type of prize for making it into the bottom three!
DSP is ok for beginners I guess, but honestly their gallery is pretty old school. And the rules for their CT competition are so militant. I don't think they really aspire to have creative, innovative layout artists use their stuff.
DSP is ok for beginners I guess, but honestly their gallery is pretty old school.
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Most everyone here goes on about wanting their pages to look like paper pages, I think this gallery looks like that. Now it's old school?
Nicole Young has some good stuff.
March 29, 2010 12:40 AM
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I agree. I'm not a DSP fan in general. But I think she is really talented.
Most everyone here goes on about wanting their pages to look like paper pages, I think this gallery looks like that. Now it's old school?
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They do? That is news to me. You can be inspired in your layout design even when you want the layout to imitate a paper-scrapped layout. Or, you can be tired and staid in your composition and use of elements. I'm sorry but the majority of layouts in the DSP gallery look tired and staid.
Nicole Young has some good stuff.
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She does have nice designs; it has the same type of style as the stuff that Catherine does as A5D.
She does have nice designs; it has the same type of style as the stuff that Catherine does as A5D.
March 29, 2010 2:09 AM
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Too bad Catherine needs a little more quality control. I loved her collab with Createwings, but the stuff that Creatwings did was far superior to Catherine's.
March 28, 2010 11:51 PM -> also if they do not make enough money they are asked to leave.
hahaha, my wv=cootar
Common knowledge that Maya is a psycho, I bet that doesn't help either.
Here's the CU doctor kit that I think was used in the pirated kits.
http://designerscraps.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=21_33&products_id=798
Here's the CU doctor kit that I think was used in the pirated kits.
http://designerscraps.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=21_33&products_id=798
March 29, 2010 9:06 AM
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They weren't accussing her of pirating for that kit. It was a matter of integrity on copying the design and color scheme.
If you go read Robin's post at SSD, the REAL issue was that she took specific elements from SSD kits and put them into her own kits.
So argue all you want about her using the commercial use stuff in the dr. kit. It doesn't excuse the other part to this story. She's a pirate and her store owner protected her over it.
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huh? that wasn't the CU set used in the kit.
DST
Anyone go to the recent DST chat with the Lee, the new DST owner?
How was it? What was he like??
Thanks
Let's not forget that she not only used SSD designers' stuff in her kits, but she also NEVER BOUGHT THEM to begin with. So, she used pirated items to fill her kits. Loser. And why on earth use the SAME color scheme in your doctor kit?! Sorry, you can't say, "That's a traditional color to use for that sort of kit." I've made about 100 kits in my career and NEVER used that color scheme. Puleeze. She's a pirate, a thief, uncreative, dishonest, and probably a hypocrite. (What do you wanna bet that she has "no pirating" in her TOU!)
http://digitalscrapcafe.com/cafe/product.php?productid=16869&cat=0&page=4
is what scrappergirl used.
Libby at SSD didn't use CU stuff. Or it's some well hidden resource.
The problem was that scrappergirl used the CU items. It was the color scheme and that she pretty much knocked off the entire kit. It's not an exact violation of copyright. BUT a designer who does that has no integrity and shouldn't be designing.
But, as the other posters have stated the real issue was the stealing items and putting them directly into kits. There is no question of piracy in that case.
sorry should read:
The problem was NOT that scrappergirl used the CU items.
(need some coffe!)
Then it looks like both parties used two CU kits. The pills and zig zaggy thingy is in the first kit and the rest is in the second CU kit at Digitalscrapcafe.
Then it looks like both parties used two CU kits. The pills and zig zaggy thingy is in the first kit and the rest is in the second CU kit at Digitalscrapcafe.
Why does it matter who used what CU items?
I don't see any of those CU items in Libby's kit. The ZigZag and pills are different. I think she is talented enough to make it all herself. If a CU designer can do it, then why would she be able to?
Why does it matter who used what CU items?
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Just saying that in the first instance (except for the color scheme and workart) it could have been simply a case of two people using CU pretty much the same. IF that was the only instance of use. Obviously it wasn't though.
Just saying that in the first instance (except for the color scheme and workart) it could have been simply a case of two people using CU pretty much the same. IF that was the only instance of use. Obviously it wasn't though.
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OH come on! Her kit was very much inspired by Libby's. The color schemes are almost the same.
The CU creator of the items that scrappergirl uses has a medical kit but with a different color scheme. If it was just a case of CU being used the same, then they would have been asking her to take it down too.
I can't believe that some of you are trying to find an out for someone who clearly pirated. SSD has it right this time and I think they actually handled it in a professional manner.
SSD has it right this time and I think they actually handled it in a professional manner.
Well, too many who frequent this blog probably don't want SSD to be right. It's not a favorite in these parts.
Putting the piracy issue aside for a minute:
Who cares if she took the idea of a kit and made her own? You can call it unethical if you want but it's been going on since the dawn of invention. Unless the original designer can produce a trademark or copyright on the colors, shapes and words she used, there's nothing to talk about. That particular subject should never have been brought up.
Back to the piracy..yes, that puts a whole different perspective her and she should be banned from designing for stores. Evidence should be posted and that was done correctly. The whole "she copied her!" argument is childish and should be removed from the thread.
I think the 'copycat' thing was presented first as an explanation of how the piracy was first discovered. ie "our designers started looking at ScrapperGirl’s collection of work more closely, many of our designers found their original elements taken directly from their kits and placed into her kits for sale at PrettyScrappy.com."
I have to say that the medical kit is beyond an inspiration, two of the papers are identical, as are several of the elements which are not even IN the CU pack mentioned, as well as the colors, etc, which are also not just similar but IDENTICAL.
There is a difference between selling items 'following the trend' of a design, and producing knock-off products. For me, this one is the latter by a mile, and it's fair for SSD to point it out. The piracy and resale is the really big issue though, no question.
I love how this pirating fiasco never hit DST, The Hub of the Digital Scrapbooking Community...
Your ship has sailed DST.
So, another instance of SSD using CU items. They should lower their prices.
I love how this pirating fiasco never hit DST, The Hub of the Digital Scrapbooking Community...
Your ship has sailed DST.
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Why would it need to? It's an ssd & prettyscrappy issue. Some people could care less if they never go to those stores.
So, another instance of SSD using CU items. They should lower their prices.
March 29, 2010 11:47 AM
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Libby didn't use CU items for that kit. I don't even see the similarities.
You can find knock-offs in a lot of things. I find it very cheezy but not illegal or even unethical. To ask the store hosting the designer to remove the kit from the store was unethical because it was done before the piracy issue was discovered. She had every right to make and sell that kit, even if in bad taste.
The closest thing you could possibly compare it to would be plagiarism but even that wouldn't hold up.
The closest thing you could possibly compare it to would be plagiarism but even that wouldn't hold up.
Hold up where? In court? They weren't threatening to sue or anything. SSD just requested that the kit be removed. The other store owner said "no" so they were going to gripe amongst themselves. It would make me gripey if someone copied my kit mostly because there isn't much that can be done. But the other designer clearly can't design because she has to copy and steal. It would have been better for her to remove the kit and create something original!
Put this site down for the ugly banner contest:
http://www.secretcity-treasures.com/
who said anything about court? I said it was unethical to ask the store to remove the kit in the first place. There was no grounds for them to do so. The copied designer should have emailed the copycat directly about that one issue. That's the point I'm trying to make.
I never said I thought she was talented. I do think it's cheezy, talentless and in bad taste. My opinion doesn't matter. In regard to how the store handled it in the public light--
Piracy: Yes, most certainly. Because she is an un-original copycat? It never shouldn't been commented or acted on.
Nah..fugly with lack of creativity maybe. I hold the tagger/poser banners with half naked women in them as winners of that contest hands down!
Libby didn't use CU items for that kit. I don't even see the similarities.
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Are you talking about the medical kit? Clearly Libby did use CU to make that kit.
I went on a detox diet and then have been eating really healthy for four weeks and going to the gym. I have lost 13 pounds. Summer...here I come.
I'm not ready to call ScrapperGirl a pirate or even a copycat. I'd have to get a look at that medical CU kit first. The color schemes are very similar and the kits have the same style - but if you look closely, the elements themselves are different.
Hi Scrappergirl. Or should I call you PlainJane?
WOW! You are thick! Stealing elements from other designers is not cool!
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I'm the OP you are referring to, and I'm not Scrappergirl. I had posted that prior to learning the store had closed. Since they closed up shop and disappear, then I guess she probably was more guilty.
My point however was about whether the OTHER items were created from CU products too. If they were, then there was a possibility that Scrappergirl and the other designers had simply used the same CU items. There are so many designers using CU items that it's possible for identical (or nearly identical) products to end up in different kits...especially if the CU TOUs do not require derivative works.
She even had the same labels- such as "ouch!" and so on...
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Maybe those labels were actually part of the CU kit. That's why I was saying I'd need to see that in order to know for sure if the ideas were copied or merely an unfortunate coincidence.
Let's not forget that she not only used SSD designers' stuff in her kits, but she also NEVER BOUGHT THEM to begin with. So, she used pirated items to fill her kits. Loser. And why on earth use the SAME color scheme in your doctor kit?! Sorry, you can't say, "That's a traditional color to use for that sort of kit." I've made about 100 kits in my career and NEVER used that color scheme. Puleeze. She's a pirate, a thief, uncreative, dishonest, and probably a hypocrite. (What do you wanna bet that she has "no pirating" in her TOU!)
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See...this is what I hate about SSD: They publicly 'out' all their dirty laundry on this smack blog. Who knows whether the above designer is from SSD, or merely heard it from SSD. But either way, only someone on the 'inside' of SSD would know whether the kits were ever bought, so the fact that this is posted here on a smack blog demonstrates the lack of professionalism at that store.
Now a site has closed down and many innocent designers were abandoned.
I respect sites like SBG who keep their 'shit' private. No one knows why certain designers left SBG because everyone involved is professional and keeps things confidential...as it should be.
Libby didn't use CU items for that kit. I don't even see the similarities.
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The medical CU kit was created a year ago. So, if Libby didn't use the CU kit, then she must have just been a COPYCAT...copying the ideas and concept, but not actually BUYING the CU kit.
So which is it? Did she use the CU kit, or did she merely COPY the idea????? Or maybe she was just 'INSPIRED' by it.
See...this is what I hate about SSD: They publicly 'out' all their dirty laundry on this smack blog. Who knows whether the above designer is from SSD, or merely heard it from SSD. But either way, only someone on the 'inside' of SSD would know whether the kits were ever bought, so the fact that this is posted here on a smack blog demonstrates the lack of professionalism at that store.
Now a site has closed down and many innocent designers were abandoned.
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Hey stupid. Read the thread at SSD. They never aired their dirty laundry in a smack blog, they aired it in their forum. That's where they said that she never bought those items at SSD or the designers' personal stores.
Those designers ought to be thanking their lucky stars that this was brought to light. Otherwise, they'd still be working for a liar/unethical store owner and a pirate designer who was the store admin. Yep, if they stayed open, it would be just a matter of time before those designers would be stolen from by the pirate and the store owner would stop paying. If the designers are any good, they'll get in other stores with more ethical store owners.
Do you think Pretty Scrappy should have stayed open under a store owner who was completely dishonest and unethical? Really?
wv: defulsi--de fool, she really is ignorant...
"only someone on the 'inside' of SSD would know whether the kits were ever bought"
It has been posted on the forum. I read it without even logging in. And yes, I agree, that shit should be kept behind the scenes.
The medical CU kit was created a year ago. So, if Libby didn't use the CU kit, then she must have just been a COPYCAT...copying the ideas and concept, but not actually BUYING the CU kit.
So which is it? Did she use the CU kit, or did she merely COPY the idea????? Or maybe she was just 'INSPIRED' by it.
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sing it, sister!
For crying out loud. Go to the link. Read the freakin' post.
Here it is so you can be lazy: http://www.sweetshoppecommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40842
The medical CU kit was created a year ago. So, if Libby didn't use the CU kit, then she must have just been a COPYCAT...copying the ideas and concept, but not actually BUYING the CU kit.
So which is it? Did she use the CU kit, or did she merely COPY the idea????? Or maybe she was just 'INSPIRED' by it.
March 29, 2010 1:44 PM
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Sheesh. Or maybe she never saw the CU kit at all. She could have just gone to the dr.'s office. But at least her color scheme was original. Her stuff didn't look anything like the CU stuff so I doubt it was a knock-off.
I can't believe how you can take the victims and turn them into the villains.
Maybe those labels were actually part of the CU kit. That's why I was saying I'd need to see that in order to know for sure if the ideas were copied or merely an unfortunate coincidence.
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Go look at the thread. They didn't use the same CU kit.
The labels weren't in the CU kit that scrappergirl used either.
My point however was about whether the OTHER items were created from CU products too. If they were, then there was a possibility that Scrappergirl and the other designers had simply used the same
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They weren't CU items that were stolen. They were original items. So that isn't a possibility. It's one of the reason that I like SSD. The designers create a lot of their own stuff. Not always, but the majority of it is their own.
March 28, 2010 11:51 PM -> also if they do not make enough money they are asked to leave.
hahaha, my wv=cootar
March 29, 2010 7:29 AM
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Speaking from experience?
I love how this pirating fiasco never hit DST, The Hub of the Digital Scrapbooking Community...
Your ship has sailed DST.
March 29, 2010 11:44 AM
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Robin doesn't hang at DST and never has, she owns SSD. Why the heck should she raise this matter at DST? It she had, she'd be blasted for it.
See...this is what I hate about SSD: They publicly 'out' all their dirty laundry on this smack blog. Who knows whether the above designer is from SSD, or merely heard it from SSD. But either way, only someone on the 'inside' of SSD would know whether the kits were ever bought, so the fact that this is posted here on a smack blog demonstrates the lack of professionalism at that store.
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See, this is what I dislike about some of the digi community, they just spout off without actually knowing a damn thing. If you had bothered to actually read the thread at SSD, you would know that Robin made it public in her forum. Maybe it wasn't the best thing to do, but she did it.
Know your facts before you shoot your mouth off.
I said it was unethical to ask the store to remove the kit in the first place.
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No, it wasn't unethical for them to ask for the kit to be removed. It was unethical for Scrappergirl to copy Libby's kit so blatantly. Please, go and look up what unethical means because you clearly don't know.
The medical CU kit was created a year ago. So, if Libby didn't use the CU kit, then she must have just been a COPYCAT...copying the ideas and concept, but not actually BUYING the CU kit.
So which is it? Did she use the CU kit, or did she merely COPY the idea????? Or maybe she was just 'INSPIRED' by it.
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There speaks a guilty party. Libby's kit was nothing like the CU kit. Maybe Libby made the kit because people were asking for a doctor kit. There were quite a few ISO threads at DST not so long ago that were asking for that exact thing.
Maybe those labels were actually part of the CU kit. That's why I was saying I'd need to see that in order to know for sure if the ideas were copied or merely an unfortunate coincidence.
March 29, 2010 1:10 PM
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They were not. What you see on the CU kit linked is what you get, read the description:
In this download are 13 layered .psd files and 1 .png file. Perfect for your medical/doctor kits! Simply recolor, and add texture!
See, this is what I dislike about some of the digi community, they just spout off without actually knowing a damn thing. If you had bothered to actually read the thread at SSD, you would know that Robin made it public in her forum. Maybe it wasn't the best thing to do, but she did it.
Know your facts before you shoot your mouth off.
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That doesn't change the overall point I was making...only the people on the 'inside' know all the details of who buys their kits. Unless they make it public (which obviously they did), then people wouldn't be able to talk about it her on the smack blog. If they had handled it professionally and privately, then it could have been handled discreetly. I just think it's unprofessional to air their dirty laundry in public, even in their own forum. You wouldn't see this reputable stores. I imagine that things like this happen all the time and we never know about it because the people involved handle it privately.
Robin doesn't hang at DST and never has, she owns SSD. Why the heck should she raise this matter at DST? It she had, she'd be blasted for it.
March 29, 2010 5:56 PM
Um... some "outed" loudmouth from here? Or one of the scorned designers? In the past it has come up as a topic- when DST was "the place" to find out information.
There speaks a guilty party. Libby's kit was nothing like the CU kit. Maybe Libby made the kit because people were asking for a doctor kit. There were quite a few ISO threads at DST not so long ago that were asking for that exact thing.
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Actually I disagree. Although most anyone would come up with the idea to include a 'pill bottle' and 'stethoscope' in a medical kit...but the 'heart monitor graph' probably wouldn't occur to most people unless they got the idea from somewhere else.
Know your facts before you shoot your mouth off
FACT: I wasn't shooting my mouth off, I was typing my thoughts off.
FACT: I don't get mad or insulted from Internet posts.
This is an anon blog, for crying out loud. All that anger over something so stupid is really not good for you.
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That doesn't change the overall point I was making...only the people on the 'inside' know all the details of who buys their kits. Unless they make it public (which obviously they did), then people wouldn't be able to talk about it her on the smack blog. If they had handled it professionally and privately, then it could have been handled discreetly. I just think it's unprofessional to air their dirty laundry in public, even in their own forum. You wouldn't see this reputable stores. I imagine that things like this happen all the time and we never know about it because the people involved handle it privately.
March 29, 2010 6:43 PM
OMG woman! What the hell don't you understand?!? They did address this privately. It was understood that the kits were removed! What do they do? CHANGE THE NAME OF THE DESIGNER TO LOOK LIKE THEY FIRED HER. SSD approached them again to no avail. Please read the entire thread!
This is an anon blog, for crying out loud. All that anger over something so stupid is really not good for you.
March 29, 2010 6:47 PM
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I wasn't angry, but you sure sound like it.
Um... some "outed" loudmouth from here? Or one of the scorned designers? In the past it has come up as a topic- when DST was "the place" to find out information.
March 29, 2010 6:43 PM
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Neither and no, it hasn't always come up. I've known a few 'scandals' in the past that never hit DST.
I just think it's unprofessional to air their dirty laundry in public, even in their own forum. You wouldn't see this reputable stores.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if she hadn't said anything and it came out, everyone would be going on about how piracy issues are always kept private. It's a no win situation with some of you.
Actually I disagree. Although most anyone would come up with the idea to include a 'pill bottle' and 'stethoscope' in a medical kit...but the 'heart monitor graph' probably wouldn't occur to most people unless they got the idea from somewhere else.
March 29, 2010 6:47 PM
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Or the designer had a real life issue involving a heart monitor. So yeah, she probably did get the idea from somewhere else.
That doesn't change the overall point I was making...only the people on the 'inside' know all the details of who buys their kits. Unless they make it public (which obviously they did), then people wouldn't be able to talk about it her on the smack blog. If they had handled it professionally and privately, then it could have been handled discreetly. I just think it's unprofessional to air their dirty laundry in public, even in their own forum. You wouldn't see this reputable stores. I imagine that things like this happen all the time and we never know about it because the people involved handle it privately.
March 29, 2010 6:43 PM
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Why do you think it should have been handled privately? To protect the designer? She was stealing their items and the owner of her store was helping to hide her so that she could continue doing it.
If I had been a designer at that Pretty Scrappy I would have wanted to know, and would have appreciated SSD for making it public.
The thing is when someone steals your copyrighted items, your only recourse is to sue them. But lets face it, like 99% of designers don't make enough money to afford to sue someone for copyright infringement. So they made it public in hopes that it would force the theiving designer out of the community and guess what...it did. So it worked. And I'm glad.
I get really tired of everyone saying things should be handled professionally. What does that mean SSD should have done? Just shut up and accept it?
I think you are Scrapper Girl or the owner of Pretty Scrappy. Otherwise you wouldn't be holding such resentment against SSD for doing what was the exactly right, and only thing for them to do in that situation. The SSD designers were 100% the victim in this situation. Scrapper Girl is in the wrong. Why are you defending her?
I wish more people would go public with this kind of thing.
I think many here just don't like SSD. It wouldn't matter how it was handled. Someone could outright repackage a SSD designer's kit and sell it and many here would defend her on principle of hating SSD.
I mean they've already gone so far as accusing Libby of copying. WTF?
Someone could outright repackage a SSD designer's kit and sell it and many here would defend her on principle of hating SSD.
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That's exactly what Scrapper Girl did.
I'm appalled that anyone would want to keep this behind the scenes. The designers at Pretty Scrap needed to know that their store owner was defending another designer and enabling piracy.
Also for the education of the community. As a community we shouldn't allow piracy, we should clearly define it, and we should call them on it when it happens. Copying the kit wasn't piracy. Reselling the flowers, frame, and other items was no doubt piracy. (and no doubt the the reason SSD posted about it.)
I think it's stupid that this blog is so out for blood but as soon as you get it you want the good guys to go down.
Excuse me missy, but you will notice that most people were on the side of SSD for a change.
I think it's funny that whenever someone comes here and bags the blog, they only ever see the negative.
I was a Pretty Scrappy designer, and I am really, really glad that SDD outed what Julie and CrapperGirl (intentional typoe) were doing.
Why on EARTH would anyone suggest this should have been kept quiet? The whole Miss Tina crap was hushed up everywhere and everyone on this blog was demanding it be outed - so here we have a pirate being outed and people are saying it should have been hushed up?
(And yes I know its only one or two people suggesting it should be hushed up, most of you here are smart enough to know that SSD did the right thing)
Oh man - I read this blog once a week if that. And if is my first post here. I would think that the people on here would really have something better to do with there time. I love that a person was outed and store made it public after getting lied too and the some of you seem to be saying, why should they have done that, and then if they didn't do it you all would have complained they should have. You really leave a bad taste in most peoples mouth.
I dont see why being all negative helps you have a good day. Really get a life, enjoy the weather good or bad, run for office, just seriously get off you asses and do something with your life. Me I am going out to enjoy my surroundings, do some meaningful scrapbooking, make a fantastic dinner and put some positive energy around myself. As this site SUCKS for bringing people down! Grow the fuck up and stop all you moaning - and maybe if you got laid tonight you would feel better about yourself.
See...this is what I hate about SSD: They publicly 'out' all their dirty laundry on this smack blog. Who knows whether the above designer is from SSD, or merely heard it from SSD. But either way, only someone on the 'inside' of SSD would know whether the kits were ever bought, so the fact that this is posted here on a smack blog demonstrates the lack of professionalism at that store.
Now a site has closed down and many innocent designers were abandoned.
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What the heck are you talking about. That info was posted on the SSD site and I heard about it from another source before I heard about it here. SSD's post was very professional and handled very appropriately. It is too bad about the innocent designers. But innocent people get involved with the wrong people sometime and it is a lesson learned.
I asked a attorney friend of mine who specializes in copyright issues to take a look at the Ikea pillow and the kit of Miss Tiina's. She said Ikea doesn't have a leg to stand on and it would never get to court. It is not in copyright violation because the design of the pillow was not copied at all -- that is, the placement of the ornaments that form the actual design. Just some of the little ornaments appeared to be similar, or even the same, it doesn't matter. She said it might take some time (read: billable hours) but anybody could find historical references for any of the images on that pillow by going to a Folkart Museum, looking through a book of printer's ornaments, a library book of Folkart, or something like that. The designer could say she got the inspiration from a historical source and that would be the end of it. (Note here: she was pretty bored with the question, so it wasn't even a gray area as far as she was concerned, but skip down a couple paragraphs, and when I talked about Disney, I got some fire from her.)
Then I asked her about the Oscraps and the book passage and she said that *is* in copyright violation. To get around it, the designer needs to put the passage in quotes with the author's name; or use the character's name with the book title below it. Things in the Public Domain -- Shakespeare, Ben Franklin, for example do not need attribution at all.
Then I asked about New Moon and Disney images in general...on blogs to sell a kit vs being in a kit. She said to take Disney out of the equation entirely because they are rabid, but otherwise, the images available on the internet are pretty much "approved" by the owner and put "out there" on purpose for added exposure and marketing. They expect people to have themon their blogs, and they don't care if it is to advertise someting, unless it's something that generated some real income -- but to sell the images themselves is a no no.
The more people talking about a film, the higher the gross revenues in general. If there were a cell of some cartoon or a frame from a movie that accidentally showed a young lady with her legs open, or another unflattering pose, it would be closed down and the owner of the blog would get a letter from their attorney to take it down or face a lawsuit.
Disney will fight tooth and nail for their stuff (even if they have no legal leg to stand on). They pay their attorneys a lot of money to scare people into taking stuff down, but if it ever went to court, they might not win every case. (She sort of sounded like she'd either like to work for Disney or take them on in court...either way. LOL!
I forgot to ask about the frog. :(
Oh man - I read this blog once a week if that. And if is my first post here. I would think that the people on here would really have something better to do with there time.
I dont see why being all negative helps you have a good day. Really get a life, enjoy the weather good or bad, run for office, just seriously get off you asses and do something with your life. Me I am going out to enjoy my surroundings, do some meaningful scrapbooking, make a fantastic dinner and put some positive energy around myself.
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Hey, while you're out enjoying your surroundings, doing some meaningful scrapbooking, and making a fantastic dinner, perhaps you could find time to crack open a dictionary and look up the word "hypocrite" and maybe "incongruent."
March 28, 2010 11:51 PM -> also if they do not make enough money they are asked to leave.
hahaha, my wv=cootar
March 29, 2010 7:29 AM
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Speaking from experience?
March 29, 2010 5:54 PM
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Yes.
March 28, 2010 11:51 PM -> also if they do not make enough money they are asked to leave.
hahaha, my wv=cootar
March 29, 2010 7:29 AM
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Speaking from experience?
March 29, 2010 5:54 PM
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Yes.
March 30, 2010 7:41 PM
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I thought so. I had a similar run in along the money front.
I dont see why being all negative helps you have a good day. Really get a life, enjoy the weather good or bad, run for office, just seriously get off you asses and do something with your life. Me I am going out to enjoy my surroundings, do some meaningful scrapbooking, make a fantastic dinner and put some positive energy around myself. As this site SUCKS for bringing people down! Grow the fuck up and stop all you moaning - and maybe if you got laid tonight you would feel better about yourself.
March 30, 2010 12:06 PM
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What a sanctimonious preachy little person you are. What makes you so different? I bet you don't have many friends, they couldn't stand this superior attitude of yours. Thinking you are better and telling people what to do just makes you annoying.
What a sanctimonious preachy little person you are. What makes you so different? I bet you don't have many friends, they couldn't stand this superior attitude of yours. Thinking you are better and telling people what to do just makes you annoying.
March 30, 2010 8:22 PM
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I find this blog extremely useful. I've learned a lot from it about what people do and don't like in a designer, a scrapper a store, etc. And I like to know what's going on, like REALLY going on in digi, which is why I come here.
But come on...really? You don't think that some of the things that are said here are said just to be cruel and mean with no higher purpose behind them? Come on now. Try and tell me that you feel that everything said here you feel is justified, truthful and uplifting. I don't really think anyone believes that.
And just because someone thinks this blog is hateful and ugly (which it often is), doesn't have anything to do with them not being able to make friends irl. That's a huge stretch to make that connection.
So stores will boot you designers out if you don't pull in the sales? Does every store do that?
And just because someone thinks this blog is hateful and ugly (which it often is), doesn't have anything to do with them not being able to make friends irl. That's a huge stretch to make that connection.
March 30, 2010 9:20 PM
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Exactly! Telling us we are all hateful, negative and don't have a life is the same thing. It's a huge stretch.
Besides, I never said nothing negative happened here, I just said don't be preachy about it.
So stores will boot you designers out if you don't pull in the sales? Does every store do that?
March 30, 2010 10:11 PM
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Stores? I see mention of only one store. I have no clue if other stores do that.
But come on...really? You don't think that some of the things that are said here are said just to be cruel and mean with no higher purpose behind them? Come on now. Try and tell me that you feel that everything said here you feel is justified, truthful and uplifting. I don't really think anyone believes that.
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Why should I try and tell you that? I never said that and I don't believe it. I said, don't be preachy. Huge difference.
So how much are you supposed to sell in order to NOT be booted???
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Idle curiosity or you want to apply?
My question about SBG is why it seems to be a revolving door for designers. It seems like new faces are there and then gone again in a flash.
March 28, 2010 11:30 PM
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I keep asking that and never get an answer. However, as they seem to be out of favor now, maybe someone can tell me.
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Because they've completely gone downhill lately and the only real talent over there is Alana. Her stuff's not my style, but she has talent.
Flergs use to be their star designer, but if you ask me all her crap looks the same now. Same stupid scatters, same frames, same pearl hearts, same swirls, just all in different colors.
Plus most of the designers there who have been there for a while are stuck up and don't care to be friendly to anyone else. I think they have self esteem problems.
And yes, Maya is a psycho and that doesn't help much either.
SBG's not the only one that's gone downhill, so has TDC .. i'm starting to think anyone can sell there ... and so has SUN .. have you seen the crap there lately?
That's why I shop in the smaller shops and in a lot of my fav designers personal shops. I prefer smaller so I don't have to wade through crap to find something decent.
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That has been my opinion for years. I never shop at the big stores, which is probably why I haven't spent any money for the last two years
What is SUN?
So how much are you supposed to sell in order to NOT be booted???
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Idle curiosity or you want to apply?
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Just idle curiosity. Also wonder if the designers are told up front that they have a quota? lol
That has been my opinion for years. I never shop at the big stores, which is probably why I haven't spent any money for the last two years
What is SUN?
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Sunshine Studio Scraps
When I first started digiscrapping, they were pretty decent.
Just idle curiosity. Also wonder if the designers are told up front that they have a quota? lol
March 31, 2010 7:12 AM
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It would have to be in the contract. And it probably isn't a sales quota but rather a production quota. Many designers get into a store and then never release anything new. That means they aren't going to sell anything.
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